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Do you think that Korean MMORPGs are grindfests?
Myxophobia
Member Posts: 201
Obviously I think yes.
Show me one Korean MMORPG that is not a grindfest and I'll be awed.
Show me one Korean MMORPG that is not a grindfest and I'll be awed.
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"God himself can't take the grind, and neither can I."
That made me Laugh.
hmmm name any MMO that doesn't require some form of grinding and i'll be even more impressed... and i mean already released ones...(i define grinding as unenjoyable combat/gathering/crafting anything to grind up a ladder be it levels or money and i don't count real-life mmos...) and by my definiton no... not all korean mmos are grindfests
can they make all of their money? That is a big industry over there in Korea and I do not dislike grinding games nor do I like grinding games I am sort of in the middle.
___Justin Hill
I don't know about you, but "grindfest" and "involve grinding" sounds different to me.
HEHEHEHE
Before the grind was kill XXX mob till you ding, then move and kill XXX mob. Rinse repeat. Now its do XXX quest, then XXX then XXX.
Quests are more interesting, but if you dont read them, it becomes a grind.
Since its release its had a knock on effect on all current and developing MMO's. To say only GW and WoW have acknowledged this is abit short sighted.
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Before the grind was kill XXX mob till you ding, then move and kill XXX mob. Rinse repeat. Now its do XXX quest, then XXX then XXX.
Quests are more interesting, but if you dont read them, it becomes a grind.
Since its release its had a knock on effect on all current and developing MMO's. To say only GW and WoW have acknowledged this is abit short sighted.
Yet those XXX quests are:
Go kill XX mobs
Go collect XX items, which is usually done by killing mobs
Go to NPC XX, This NPC will give you a new task that is either...go kill XX or go collect XX by killing XX...
How is this any diffrent?
Before the grind was kill XXX mob till you ding, then move and kill XXX mob. Rinse repeat. Now its do XXX quest, then XXX then XXX.
Quests are more interesting, but if you dont read them, it becomes a grind.
Since its release its had a knock on effect on all current and developing MMO's. To say only GW and WoW have acknowledged this is abit short sighted.
Yet those XXX quests are:
Go kill XX mobs
Go collect XX items, which is usually done by killing mobs
Go to NPC XX, This NPC will give you a new task that is either...go kill XX or go collect XX by killing XX...
How is this any diffrent?
Most quests in todays MMO's have much more depth than what you just listed above. Plus quests give much more exp than killing mobs. By korean grindfest they mean the lvling part takes forever aswell.
qft
yes korean mmorpgs are grind but so are west-orientated games
its just another way of grinding sometimes and the grind in endgame is nearly the same
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Before the grind was kill XXX mob till you ding, then move and kill XXX mob. Rinse repeat. Now its do XXX quest, then XXX then XXX.
Quests are more interesting, but if you dont read them, it becomes a grind.
Since its release its had a knock on effect on all current and developing MMO's. To say only GW and WoW have acknowledged this is abit short sighted.
I agree it does seem short-sighted. But when you look at the basic elements that creates the player feeling the grind. Its obvious that only GW and WoW in the west have even thought about it.
Here are the basic aspects of gameplay the designer has to think about to keep the player from feeling the grind:
When you keep these basics in mind, the only 2 western games to address this are WoW and GW. While on the other hand Korean developers are starting to completetly revamp thier entire gameplay to target these aspects and help the player not notice the grind. Here are some examples, Rappelz and Ragnarok Online. Before in Ragnarok Online you would literally have to kill 1 billion monsters to reach level 99. Now you only have to kill 1000 with a good party.
Even when you look at future games, the west is still plagued with these aspects that show the grind. Maybe with the exception of Age of Conan. While many of the Korean games are addressing it.
Yet another poll on this subject? Just what we needed.
As others have said, most mmorpgs are built around grinding, including most of the non-Korean ones.
Perhaps the OP hasn't played many games and wasn't aware of this. Hard to say because most folks who have played games for a while or done even 10 minutes of research on the subject know how integral grinding is to the mmorpg genre.
If someone created a poll that asked something along the lines of "which mmorpgs best manage to hide their grind aspect in interesting ways" I'd participate. But, the way this poll above is worded---bah, it's just a waste of time, serves no good purpose.
I do support the OP's right to waste his time, though.
It is COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE to have a game that does not have any grind. But on the other hand, every game can be completely free of any grind.
Why the dichotomy?
Because grinding is completely a state of mind. Someone on here said he defines grinding as repetetive boring fed-x, kill quests and something else. I agree. The repetitive part can be factual but the boring part is completely personal perception. As such some find it boring therefore it is a grind, some do not find it boring therefore it is not a grind.
Case closed.
Venge Sunsoar
Yeah, but most games have other kinds of missions than go kill x mobs. Unfortunatley, korean games don't
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Yeah, but most games have other kinds of missions than go kill x mobs. Unfortunatley, korean games don't
Really? Like what? Never found a single one.
Originally posted by Zerocool032
Originally posted by Gameloading
Originally posted by godpuppet
Originally posted by CleffyII
Korea
is starting to get thier act together about grinding. Its the west
that still hasn't done anything about the grind except for Guild Wars
and WoW. In EQ the grind is only getting worse and so on. Korean
Games are starting to reduce the end-game grind because of the
complaints and adding good long quests.
WoW revolutionized the grind.
Before
the grind was kill XXX mob till you ding, then move and kill XXX mob.
Rinse repeat. Now its do XXX quest, then XXX then XXX.
Quests are more interesting, but if you dont read them, it becomes a grind.
Since
its release its had a knock on effect on all current and developing
MMO's. To say only GW and WoW have acknowledged this is abit short
sighted.
Yet those XXX quests are:
Go kill XX mobs
Go collect XX items, which is usually done by killing mobs
Go to NPC XX, This NPC will give you a new task that is either...go kill XX or go collect XX by killing XX...
How is this any diffrent?
Most
quests in todays MMO's have much more depth than what you just listed
above. Plus quests give much more exp than killing mobs. By korean
grindfest they mean the lvling part takes forever aswell.
Thats
strange, After playing close to every western MMO out there (there
aren't a lot of them) I never found a quest that isn't like that.
I guess I agree.
Don't forget that Aion is rebranded Lineage: Forever.
As for grind - it's pretty much all EQ's fault. An asylum for pve lovers, without any sort of competition in those times. Mindless game publishers and devs saw it as a success and w/o giving a shadow of thinking, generated clone after clone. So here we're today.
Good mmorpg could be essentailly grindless. But it as hell would require ingenuity, imagination, effort, professional staff, etc.
Why bother and risk, when the old approach will suffice. Go kill 180 spiders, bring their legs, receive worthless reward ! Yay. Spend a year on mindless leveling for no apparent reason than artificailly slow you down (and get $15/mo).
All grinders should officially allow botting and rmt, because it's the only thing they are actually fun at. While requiring a bit of a brain from players at the same time.
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DStuff
Support Bacteria, its the only culture some people have.
But yes, Asian games are all about the grind. They play in internet cafes and their society is much different. Killing 10,000,000 of one mob per level is fien by them.
WoW is not a grind. It is never an option to kill 10,000,000 mobs to gain a level.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
This sites gettin wayyy too negative on mmos and outa all the negative post i think 90% of the population on this site should be off playing platform games that are solo cause truthfully mmos arnt for you.
MMORPG=Roleplay which is the primary purpose for this genra of gameplay a virtual world where you can immerse your selves and play out your character noooo all you guys wanna do is lvl and get mad Looots or own stuff and thats is all too what purpose?