Why I won't even Bother to try this game

wolffin

It's being made by Mythic

After spending years playing DAoC and watching a great game turn in to a pile of steaming dog doo ill never spend my money on another mythic product.

I have no doubt that this game will most likely get offf to a great start just as DAoC did.

I also have no doubt that in the long run Mythic will do with it just as it has done with DAoC start out great and go to hell in a hand basket shortly there after.

Either due to inability  or un willingness to it oftens takes mythic years to admit there mistakes let alone fix them. They have poor customer service. Just to name a couple of things. I don't want to rant so ill leave it at that.

Why am I even bothering to post this here? Because if I can save one person from going through the agrevation and disapointment and continual let downs I have expirianced with DAoC it will be well worth it.

ScottElwood

Originally posted by wolffin

Why am I even bothering to post this here? Because if I can save one person from going through the agrevation and disapointment and continual let downs I have expirianced with DAoC it will be well worth it.

My extreme aggravation for this post will cancel out the one person saved from the "agrevation and disapointment [of Mythic]", therefore rendering this post useless.

logangregor

O I will at least try it just like I will at least try alot of the new games.

Hopefully they will take some ques from blizzard and not take forever to make positive changes to classes who need buffs.

Spiral13

Can I have the stuff you would have gotten if you ever played this game?

sjona

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Originally posted by Spiral13
Can I have the stuff you would have gotten if you ever played this game?

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classic :P

godpuppet

Originally posted by wolffin


It's being made by Mythic
After spending years playing DAoC and watching a great game turn in to a pile of steaming dog doo ill never spend my money on another mythic product.
I have no doubt that this game will most likely get offf to a great start just as DAoC did.
I also have no doubt that in the long run Mythic will do with it just as it has done with DAoC start out great and go to hell in a hand basket shortly there after.
Either due to inability  or un willingness to it oftens takes mythic years to admit there mistakes let alone fix them. They have poor customer service. Just to name a couple of things. I don't want to rant so ill leave it at that.
Why am I even bothering to post this here? Because if I can save one person from going through the agrevation and disapointment and continual let downs I have expirianced with DAoC it will be well worth it.

Mythic are certainly lacking. DAoC had and still has alot of potential, if only Mythic would be open to new ideas.

mtnj356

I think DAoC is the best mmorpg I have ever played.  I have been playing since shortly after it release.  Im definitley going to play warhammer when it comes out.  I have tried serveral others including WoW .  Now that has to be the worst mmorpg I have played.  I have no idea how they have that many subscribers.  Im guessing blizzard just had more resources than others.   Imo the game sucks.

Grayh

Mythic made LOTS of mistakes...



and so does everybody else.  In the end, even with all the mistakes made, DAOC was the best mmorpg I've played and I look forward to their next gen product.

Zappy

Originally posted by wolffin

It's being made by Mythic

Im going to play it for the exact same reason.
They made mistakes such as /level and ToA. Witch are mistakes they know they did. Read up on Mark Jacobs views on WAR and know that WAR has truly awesome potential.

DAoC is also, by far, the best MMO I've ever played.

Vegetta

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Originally posted by Spiral13
Can I have the stuff you would have gotten if you ever played this game?

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hahahaha

End_of_a_era

If the games good then play it, if its bad then dont, if they ruin it down the line then simply stop playing it :S

elvenangel

Can we name even 1 MMO company ever that has every made everyone happy cheery lets cheer for them unanimously?  No! Every company thats ever put out an MMO has had a ton of 'haters'.  I'm sorry this post hardly saves anyone with half a brain from wanting to try it.    I don't base a game purely on what company made it if that happened I'd never play another Blizzard game again, I'd turn my nose up at everything Sony has made, and I'd certaintly turn my nose up at every Microsoft game ever made.    I hate microsoft with a passion but several of the games they've published I really enjoyed, I half hate WoW because Blizzard just .... the game never seems to be stable it changes more than my cat sheds fur, and SOE well I did quite enjoy the first Everquest and the now repaired Everquest2 even if though burnt, fried, and reburnt poor SWG I still look forward to Vanguard.   As for Mythic well there game DAoC is still up and running people still play it so obviously it wasn't completely lousy and the creaters of Warhammer certaintly wouldn't give the rights to an mmo of their game to a company they didn't trust.  I think until we've atleast tried it or read real reviews from a unbiased source your post was completely flammingly pointless.

newbinator

Originally posted by wolffin


It's being made by Mythic
 

 

Funny, that's one of the main reasons I'm excited about WAR... DAOC was the best PvP ever IMO. But goodluck on your crusade against Mythic.

callmetoby

I've played a good amount of MMOs over the years, and I have always ended up going back to DAOC. Yes, it has its flaws, but I don't see where it  has progressively turned into a "steaming pile of dog doo". The level grind was horrible when DAOC came out...Mythic improved that. ToA brought in a lot of major mistakes...Mythic corrected that. They also have over 40 classes to keep balanced to the best of their ability which, for the most part, has gotten better over the years...not worse. Yes the community isn't what it used to be, but it has been going since 2001.



Another issue with this thread is that you slam Mythic for making bad decisions, yet in other threads you promote Blizzard. Come on, man. Yes, Blizzard did a number of things right with their interface and making the level grind more enjoyable, but they also built their game in such a way that it will never be balanced, that forces you to play the way they say you have to play rather than catering to various playstyles, and that leaves you wondering, in the stale and redundant endgame, why you ever bothered to purchase it in the first place. PvE may be your thing, and if so I can understand why you have issues with Mythic because the PvE was seriously lacking in DAOC. But for true fans of Mythic, PvP is the clincher and Blizzard's stagnant PvP does not hold a candle to Mythic's knowledge of how to build a good PvP/RvR system.



I'm hoping WAR's PvE will be more entertaining than that of DAOC, and everything I've seen thus far tells me that it will be. But I trust implicitly that Mythic will provide me with another immersive PvP/RvR experience.

vinylnomiko

Mythic is the only company I would trust making an MMO. If you can think of a better company please let me know... I'm drawing a blank.



I acknowledge they made mistakes. TOA for the most part.... but I don't really see it as a bad mistake... they realized it unbalanced the game in a way they didn't like. Hence, "classic" servers. You can't undo the damage but you can acknowledge it and never do it again. So far they haven't repeated it. Mythic reworks problems, they change or add to, but rarely takes stuff out.



If you take stuff out and undo the damage you get SWG. Bad idea.



Their RvR is still superior to anything else out right now - and they know that... that's why they picked Warhammer it is all about bashing faces in. Overall, I don't give a flying f*** what you think about Mythic's performance... they earned my loyalty 4 years ago, they've always answered community concerns, and made attempts to please the players.



Plus, Sanya Thomas is a sweetie... she's the best CM on any mmo out there. I've played them all, Clem. I just can't fit them all in my signature... 500 character limit.

Ugottawantit

I haven't played a mythic game yet. However after spending a couple of hours on  Warhammers page, it is really starting to appeal to me. time will tell, but My first thoughts were: Ugh! a wow clone. The screenies they have posted of nothing but drawrves look just like Wow.  If you drill down into there website, it looks like they have alot more to offer. The Chaos, Human and Elve chars look very impressive and if you read about the game mechanics, it sounds really interesting.

with all the hype about this game, they should really start posting more about the other classes. The dwarves really do look like wow copies, but the rest really look awsome.

Unknown

One should be careful not to assume that a group of designers who made mistakes in the past will make them again. Certainly, this can happen, but I personally would be more inclined to believe that those who commited errors will be less likely to repeat them than someone new and inexperienced. Perhaps that is just the optimist in me, but as a new player of Dark Age of Camelot, I have a lot of confidence in Mythic's team; they seem to have resolved numerous problems that some players had with the game, and DAoC is still a highly enjoyable experience today.

Even the most stubborn designers learn from mistakes. Take World of Warcraft, for example; after its absurd number of 40-player raid dungeons turned off many players, they decided to drop (for now, anyway) the number of required players in the expansion 'raid' dungeons. Although this is arguably not a drastic change, it is a turn for the better, and does show that they learned a bit from a previous 'mistake'.

Hopefully, the designers at Mythic have learned from World of Warcraft, Everquest I and II, and their own mistakes with Dark Age of Camelot and will turn away from the entire 'huge, time-consuming raid' aspect which, to me, seems like a fairly silly way to create enjoyable content. From the words of Paul and others there at Mythic, I am encouraged to believe this will be the case. We'll have to wait to see for sure, but by the same token we should not act absurdly and 'write off' a game before its released.

iCeh

Why i won't even bother replying to this thread... D'oh! >.<

Ghatred

 

 

Originally posted by Ugottawantit


I haven't played a mythic game yet. However after spending a couple of hours on  Warhammers page, it is really starting to appeal to me. time will tell, but My first thoughts were: Ugh! a wow clone. The screenies they have posted of nothing but drawrves look just like Wow.  If you drill down into there website, it looks like they have alot more to offer. The Chaos, Human and Elve chars look very impressive and if you read about the game mechanics, it sounds really interesting.
with all the hype about this game, they should really start posting more about the other classes. The dwarves really do look like wow copies, but the rest really look awsome.

It looked like a clone to me first as well, I recomend researching more and you will find that in reality this game is based on decades of history, WAR started long before wow. I'm starting to think blizard cloned WAR.

WizardBlack

Originally posted by callmetoby

I've played a good amount of MMOs over the years, and I have always ended up going back to DAOC. Yes, it has its flaws, but I don't see where it  has progressively turned into a "steaming pile of dog doo". The level grind was horrible when DAOC came out...Mythic improved that. ToA brought in a lot of major mistakes...Mythic corrected that. They also have over 40 classes to keep balanced to the best of their ability which, for the most part, has gotten better over the years...not worse. Yes the community isn't what it used to be, but it has been going since 2001.



Another issue with this thread is that you slam Mythic for making bad decisions, yet in other threads you promote Blizzard. Come on, man. Yes, Blizzard did a number of things right with their interface and making the level grind more enjoyable, but they also built their game in such a way that it will never be balanced, that forces you to play the way they say you have to play rather than catering to various playstyles, and that leaves you wondering, in the stale and redundant endgame, why you ever bothered to purchase it in the first place. PvE may be your thing, and if so I can understand why you have issues with Mythic because the PvE was seriously lacking in DAOC. But for true fans of Mythic, PvP is the clincher and Blizzard's stagnant PvP does not hold a candle to Mythic's knowledge of how to build a good PvP/RvR system.



I'm hoping WAR's PvE will be more entertaining than that of DAOC, and everything I've seen thus far tells me that it will be. But I trust implicitly that Mythic will provide me with another immersive PvP/RvR experience.

DAoC's PvP/RvRvR system is dead. It's simply a good concept. Hopefully they make WAR's PvP system scalable with the number of ppl playing so that it doesn't end up like DAoC.

Lefnart

Just as a heads up. If they already made that mistake in the past, it is less likely that they will make such a mistake again. So that makes Mystic more prepared at making this new game than many other companies out there without such an experience.



Cheers,



Lelle

Infernus_sin

Originally posted by wolffin


It's being made by Mythic
After spending years playing DAoC and watching a great game turn in to a pile of steaming dog doo ill never spend my money on another mythic product.
I have no doubt that this game will most likely get offf to a great start just as DAoC did.
I also have no doubt that in the long run Mythic will do with it just as it has done with DAoC start out great and go to hell in a hand basket shortly there after.
Either due to inability  or un willingness to it oftens takes mythic years to admit there mistakes let alone fix them. They have poor customer service. Just to name a couple of things. I don't want to rant so ill leave it at that.
Why am I even bothering to post this here? Because if I can save one person from going through the agrevation and disapointment and continual let downs I have expirianced with DAoC it will be well worth it.

Why I won't bother reading this post...



I looked at the bottom of the post and saw "expirianced" and saw that the OP edited it...

WizardBlack

 

Originally posted by Lefnart

Just as a heads up. If they already made that mistake in the past, it is less likely that they will make such a mistake again. So that makes Mystic more prepared at making this new game than many other companies out there without such an experience.



Cheers,



Lelle

 

I totally agree.

Rumors

Mythic also has Games Workshop riding their asses on this game.  This isn't Mythics IP, its someone elses.  And given the following that Warhammer has both as a pen and paper game, and a miniature wargame, it should do fairly well.

JtHM

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xmicahx

DaoC is my favorite mmo of all time. i dont currently play it cause well after 8 lv 51's and 4+ years of playing i just got burned out.



the game did go downhill a bit after toa and they did release some things i wasnt happy about.



BUT then they released classic servers, which shows they listen to what the community wants and arent above admitting they may have made mistakes.



if nothing else they will learn from what few failures DAoC had and WAR will be perfect