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fisherc
Member Posts: 134
in EVE Online
-> Not banning Dev For cheating
-> Not deleting BPO's after they were found
->Letting DEV help Bob
AND STILL NOT BANNING OR GETTING RID OF THE GUY FOR CHEATING.
The question is. Will you leave?
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My answer: No.
Because there isn't another damned MMORPG out there better than EVE. Even when taking dev corruption into account!
Pretty much all I read about this topic is player hypocrisy and sounds like some three years old got his/hers toy taken away. At the end of the day it's a frigging game. Stay clear of politics and PvP grief and you'll be fine. Unable to deal with it? Ok then this whole issue will really hurt.
I voted "not sure".
EvE is a competitive game, and if the devs intervene in a manner that has anyone not on their in game side loose, then the competitiveness loses its point.
The escapist wrote: "...(this) could be the most blatant case of developer misconduct in years..."
Anyone who ignores this is a fanboi, plain and simple.
I still love the game, but EvE is on probation for me.
The trust players had in CCP is severly damaged. It is not upon the players to repair that relationship, that is CCPs responsibility.
We will see how it goes.
I voted no, but only because i'm not into politics and such in EVE. If perhaps I was one of the many in the game, who have research agents and played in hope that i'd win a T2 BPO, then i'd probably quit.
CCP fucked up, imo. The amount of BPO's the Dev took was a complete piss take, and I personally think he's scum, and pathetic to go to such lengths in a game.
-iCeh
My patience, however, is finite. I left Neocron after 14 months because I did not see significant improvement in fixing the buggy game mechanics, and similarly I will not accept an ongoing string of developer-cheating in EVE.
I think CCP should think of controlling GM powers on Tranquility (the live server) better. A developer should not need to manipulate data in the production environment to get his job done, for that the test server is more appropriate.
Edited for context-distorting typo
Come on! Nothing ever pleases you folks. CCP went 10x further than any of the other MMOG companies and admitted wrongs from staff. They deleted the characters of those involved. WTF more do you want from these people?
I have an idea. Since nothing short of banning all of Bob will satisfy this thirst for blood, I recommend to CCP to just server wipe everyone. Let everyone start over. That is the only way to completely fix it.
You don't see Blizzard going to their forums explaining to the fanbase how anyone joining a new server on day one of that server can go to IGE and buy all the gold they want. All of these companies know that the IGEs of the world allow the causual player to at least participate in games. Not that I support it or anything, but if it wasn't for the secondary markets, the MMOG industry wouldn't have the fanbase it does. It is a simple fact that these money, items, and account buying allows for the casuals to participate.
And honestly, do you think a company wants 50k subscribers of hard core gamers that do stuff the right way on their own or 300k subscribers with most of them being casuals? Hell, the company makes more money off of casuals anyway because the casual player doesn't live on the servers eating bandwidth. It is a win/win/win system.
And the sad part is, the "hard core gamer" is stupid enough to buy the "we banned x amount of accounts" threads for cheating. Ya, right. The company only bans the ones that are stupid enoough to get caught...
Back on point, I think the OP is doing nothing more than crying because he didn't get any of the phat lewt from Bob. I bet if he would have gotten some of that lewt he would have never made this thread.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
That the devs don't cheat? I think it is safe to say that is what people want.
I voted NO.
Unequivocally, NO.
CCP has been very open about the situation and has put in place plans to keep this from happening in the future.
While I may not agree 100% with what was done to the offending party or to right the situation, I was not there, and as an outsider to the company I cannot possibly have access to all of the information that went into making the decisions that were made.
Those decisionc can be debated endlessly, and I am sure that they will be by some. I, on the other hand have a game to enjoy, I will leave the pointless debate to those who enjoy pointlessness.
dev should be fired
bob should be broken up or at the very least the leadership should be banned
all copies made from those BPs should be removed
hefty financial loss should be incurred
and you can bet i won't be following the development of their new game
The losers are those players who expect fair competition but lose due to cheating by the other side. This is especially true for games like EVE, where politics and control of territory are a large part of the game. As I said a few posts earlier, I'm still willing to consider this an isolated incident. But if stuff like that keeps happening, people like me might leave.
However, if I was a new player looking for a game to play and saw all of this crap, I wouldn't even consider starting up a character. The number of potential players who skip EVE because of the dev misconduct are going to hurt CCP more than the number of current players quitting.
Oh, you mean the hacker? Banning the hacker is one decision at least that I do agree 100% with. Not only did he break the agreement that he made with CCP, but in all likelyhood he broke federal laws both in his country of residence and in the country where the CCP resources were that he hacked.
I hope the ban is permanent. It sure would be if I had a vote!
Oh, you mean the hacker? Banning the hacker is one decision at least that I do agree 100% with. Not only did he break the agreement that he made with CCP, but in all likelyhood he broke federal laws both in his country of residence and in the country where the CCP resources were that he hacked.
I hope the ban is permanent. It sure would be if I had a vote!
Still, if the hacker didnt make this pubic, then this wouldnt have come out. This happen 6 months ago and the dev got a slap on the wrist, and they let his corp keep the bpo's till now.
You're right, if the hacker hadn't made it public, this would not have come out. But the actions taken by CCP, whether you or I agree with them or not, would still have been taken. That includes the new task force internal to CCP that is charged with making sure this does not happen in the future, and with enforcing a non-negotiable policy of firing future violators.
I am glad to see that CCP has this policy now, and I am sure that t20 knows just how lucky he is to have a job at this point. I'm sure he won't cause any trouble from now on.
If all that will satisfy a person is the blood of the violator and the downfall of CCP then you are bound to be disappointed. Sorry.
It was public pressure that made them fess up and remove those BPO, nothing more, nothing less. Just as it took a forum outcry to get that guy reinstated who was banned when he killed a GM who'd illegally spawned a ship with faction mods. Why should we have confidence in this internal task force if history shows when CCP discovers wrongdoing the reaction is so half hearted unless the community is up in arms?
Favoritism is nothing new in my experience, and I've been around since beta.
Now, I was never one of the cool kids, and I don't waste enough time on IRC, but it never really bothered me. I am an outsider in EVE, and I find that it often suits me and my goals.
As the game has developed, the really old foundation community and their social ties has diminished. EVE is played significantly more ingame now than it is played on IRC. New generations of players abound, and social groups have popped up all over.
A little dumbass stuff here and there is not going to impact the real reasons why I hang out in EVE.
Someone having exponentially more isk than me, or a bpo here, or even intel there is not really going to stop me from pursuing my objectives. The devs don't operate as a cohesive unit anyway and they certainly don't care that I exist, which is just fine by me.
I have no intention on leaving EVE, I haven't been really following this incident, but it seems to have been dealt with adequately.
and honestly no i wont quite eve over this and i honestly think the majority of people wont even remeber this incident right off the top of their head in 6 months
and cmon do you think that CCP is the only game where devs who play the game cheat? im sure theres some in WOW, EQ2, and almost every other game you can think of the diffrence really is that they just dont get caught
If these sort of things were to continue happening, I'd leave, but as of now I see no reason to leave without giving ccp another chance.
This thread ( http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=474018 ) was locked on the EVE-O board, but I still appreciate the sentiment. The OP from this thread is below:
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Everyone else seems to be posting threads in here that get quickly locked and/or deleted, so I thought i'd join in but from the flipside of the popular coin.
Why the HELL is this such an issue to people? You're all fools, you're acting like CCP murdered someone close to you the amount of outrage this has caused. Yeh, its a bad thing they cheated, blah blah blah give it a rest already.
Everyone knew there was a risk of this; its not the first (and won't be the last) time that dev's have cheated in MMO's (not just Eve) and the fact that people are quitting over this is bloody insane, imo. Humans are fallible. Nuff said.
T20 is a good dev, he's done good for the community and the game prior to this. He deserves to be reprimanded ofc, but fired? Noway.
Oddly enough a faithless lyric comes to mind as a somewhat extreme example:
"Inform us of a top notch surgeon's mistake
But not the many lives he's saved before"
Leave him be and leave CCP be. They made a game that I've enjoyed for 3 years now, and there's no sign of that changing for me - certainly not because of the actions of a single dev.
Stop being retards.[
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Good points, I thought.
I know of people who build characters do to research, and appearantly that research for BPO's has been tainted, so favoritism affects more than just a few.....anyone who was hoping to get a T2 BPO and hasn't yet has been affected by this, its not an isolated incident...its hard to get around a DEV who codes the random drawing to be anyone whose name = mycharsname into the logic of T2 BPO reception....
Anyone wanna guess what the new drawing chances of being fair is? probably zilch, and unless someone risks banning & what not again, they will probably not be caught for another 6 months....
The DEV admitted to giving his char/corp BPO's, but seriously, if you were going to make BPO's for your char/corp, wouldn't you make high end BPOs, so him lying and cheating means he's being honest when he tells you the BPO's he made are lame? give me a break.....
my conversation with GM's leads to be believe that they support cheaters and have no respect for CCP or their GM's........
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The game is dead not, this game is good we make it and Romania Tv give it 5 goat heads, this is good rating for game.
OUch... around 1/4 of people say they are going to quit.
A LOT HIGHER than I expected.
Maybe it's because EVE is about being a Sandbox... And dev corruption takes away the sandbox and replaces it with. 'yeah, you can build your own stuff... but our corrupt dev friends will beat you with their awesome item spawning capabilities'
You can't really defend that. If t20 was a political leader, he'd have to resign in disgrace. If CCP ACTUALLY operated as a business, he'd be FIRED or forced to resign in disgrace.
Alas... CCP is not a business. Just a bunch of computer scientists with a cool idea...
Wake up! Who cares if a Dev cheats in WoW or EQ2?! It's not the same type of game. Cheating in a game such as Eve, where you control space, have a complete player economy and name it is not the same ball park, it's not even the same sport
It doesn't have much impact if a dev spawns himself a full suit of tier 3 in WoW. While in EvE, loosing a ship worth 3 months of work due to a cheater or a hacker completely suck ass. In WoW, you don't risk loosing "anything" beside a meaningless battle with no impact on the gaming world if you face a cheater.
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...