Originally posted by WisebutCruel Originally posted by nakedone I know what you're talking about, I posted 4 pages ago. lol So 300k players is in the past and SOE is retaining 10k players? Big whoop. Don't come here and try to convience people to play NGE, you 10K people got what you asked for. Everyone else left. Play with your holograms. Maybe they'll let you start a guild made up of holograms and have a tea party like little girls do with thier dolls. I'm starting to enjoy watching you NGErs come here to ask for people to come back because it's geting so much better. And you know what. You'll have some witty reply, and giggle to yourself, but no matter what you say, 300K players think you're wrong, no matter how witty you can be. Now go ahead, start writing your novel sized reply full of smartass comments and nothing to back it up.
I'm sorry. The only one I see making smart-ass comments is you. Also, I didn't come here to convince anyone to come back. I'm not the OP. Try reading the whole thread. I am simply here stating my opinion, which is what the forums are for, or so I thought. And quite frankly, I thought the thread was going good, with both sides being able to be civil to each other, until you showed up. Go figure.
Um ok man. You weren't just being an asshat a few minutes ago? lol ok. Next thing you know, you'll tell me that the NGE servers are growing in population.
What also makes me wonder why the NGE'ers keep posting here.... If the NGE is that damn good, why do they keep posting period in this forum that is made up for former vets to post their rightfull gripes. In my opinion its good for people to visit theses forums and see two sides of the NGE, People get to see the kiddie witty responses and why the game is Uber and l33t and they get to see the true side of SOE's attempt to dump one playerbase to try to cash in on kids attention spans, its like "Hey Kids, Its a Star Wars game, come here and ask mommy or daddy to pay for your account with us and you can be a jedi...Yes kids you can be a JEDI!!! Isn't that UBER!! Isn't that L33t!!!"
To sum it up, SOE took a promising concept which had 300k+ people running everywhere and saw WoW's numbers and said, "Hmm, we can cash in on that success, lets dump our paying customers and change the game and bring in some new players whom can be suckered into anything we tell them" , Its as simple as that. Now before you flame me, think about it... SOE took Pre-CU, which had a big number of subs, dumped it to try to make a grasp at a possibility and it didnt work, all they have now its kids running around playing jedi and the numbers are not as big as it was, SOE lost 300k+ subscriptions to what? have 10k or less new players? Doesnt make much sense.
Here is another thought, how long will it be before SOE rethinks their "business decision about the NGE" and come up with something new and change the game on you NGE'ers? And then look to grab a new playerbase? If they did it to us for visions of greed, then they will do so again, SOE already have shown you folks about broken promises, they have said things that would return to the game to simply drop it or post saying it was only an idea. Here is another concept for you NGE folks, what happens, and this is just throwing something into the wind, what if the emu comes out well? people begin hosting their own servers, people start moving away from this forum and go to their own forums and more and more people leave for their own servers, SOE and most likely LA will look at this and think twice, I am 37 years old and run a business, if you feel you can make money from an old idea, you will try your damnest to get it....Best way to say it.. Never say never....SOE has lied before and right now their boasting that there will be no classic or pre-cu servers, but if this scenerio comes up and people begin paying more attention to the emu, trust me, SOE and LA will want to cash in on it and SOE would have to swallow its pride and say, "Well do to the overwhelming demand of classic servers, we feel we owe our former players two servers to enjoy" ... They did it for EQ, they will do it for SWG, ..all it takes is time and the right time to spring it out without ruining more their reps and making the NGE look like a failure.
Well I gave it a chance for a few months after the NGE was released. Then I gave it another chance just a few months ago. Here's what I found after the last chance:
-My server was relatively empty for the two months I returned (I found an unused game card in my basement and decided to activate it).
- My guild city was dead. Our guild leaders had just come back from a long break (to heal their minds from the NGE shockwave), but most guild members were gone, and the city was mainly deserted.
-People's pets were (and in many cases are) still locked in their datapads.
-There was an overspawn bug ruining the Restuss PvP area.
-I still encountered age-old bugs and issues related to healing and rez functions.
-I could still kill any NPC solo in no time flat, without any thought, challenge, or interaction with other players (NGE combat).
-Loot dropping out of everything, nothing ever wearing out, and no real need for crafters was still preventing me from having previously enjoyable "shopping sprees" at now empty or non-existent malls.
-I still had no need to see an entertainer, and when I popped by the cantinas just for something to do, some were completely empty, while others were lightly populated. Since I didn't have any need to be there, I didn't stay--probably what others were thinking also I'm guessing.
-I drove past town after town, after empty town, and began to feel creeped out and lonely.
-My friend list (which was huge), showed either no one on, or only 3 or 4 friends on sporadically.
-My combat droid always parked itself exactly between me and a target, always obscuring my view, and I had to keep giving it the attack command over and over again to get it to do anything. (It used to stay out of my line of sight and keep attacking until I told it to stop or the target was dead.)
-I read posts about how SOE "might" return some of the things that they had taken away, but that I would have to wait a while to see if this ever materialized, and keep paying a subscription while waiting and testing basic game functions as if I was a beta tester.
-I missed my old character professions, abilities, animations, progress, friends and game community immensely.
-I missed group hunting which didn't really seem to happen anymore because teams were unnecessary and their was a penalty applied to xp for grouping.
-I missed simple things like camping (while hunting or just hanging out on the beach with friends) because SOE refused to restore such a simple pleasure because they didn't believe it was fun and/or they didn't think it fit in with the new system.
-I found newer players telling vets to "stop whining or leave."
-I found vets calling newer players "retards."
-I tried to post ideas for improvements to the game in what I thought was a constructive manner, but had posts deleted or moved by SOE forum moderators.
-I read news items from SOE saying how the servers are doing great, and the forums are very positive, and yet was seeing with my own eyes the exact opposite of what they claimed.
Overall, I'd have to say that it was a simply brutal experience.
I realized that this was not the kind of environment I would choose to try to relax and have fun in, so I let my subscription run out, and now have no intention of going back. I've reinvested my time and emotional energy into a gaming environment that seems much healthier and more enjoyable. I still post on forums like this in an attempt to highlight important game related issues on behalf of friends who still play the game simply because it's Star Wars. I also hate to see anything related to Star Wars in such a state, and hope that someday it won't be such a stain on a truly wonderful story.
ArcAngel
P.S. I just read something in this thread about holobands. For what it's worth I'd like to point out that when I was a Master Musician I got to play in bands made up of actual players. We played different instruments, and did individual solos or band "flourishes" that had us all moving in sync. We had musicians in the background and dancers in the foreground, and it was an amazing thing to be a part of. Back when groups could hold 20 people, you sometimes couldn't join the band because it was full. When groups were reduced to 8, there were still 2 or 3 bands playing all at the same time in numerous cantinas. That stuff was just great fun. Seeing the cantinas as they were the last time I logged in was really quite sad in comparison.
It's a horrible mess and the fake FPS BS is unplayable. I'd rather play a working game with elves than this abortion of a game.
Tasting shit again makes it no more tasty.
LMFAO!!! So true, so very very true. Great line btw..
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there, 80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters. Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior, and he will bring the others home. -Heraclitus 500BC
I sit in my house on dant. and cry about the what coulda been everytime i give it a chance
You said it brother, This game in its original state had so much potential that was unfortunately pissed away.
I miss my character and my Jedi I worked so hard to get and my Guild that was just awsome!! House of Pain on Naritus server.
May all my Guildies find peace and fun in all your new gaming adventures
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there, 80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters. Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior, and he will bring the others home. -Heraclitus 500BC
And you guys still keep on whining , bickering like lil bitches, its really sad to see
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
And you guys still keep on whining , bickering like lil bitches, its really sad to see
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
Welcome to the club then. You will fit in just fine. But us whinners would appreciate it if you could tone down the language a bit. So far you are doing a great job, with this bitch you posted. We might even make you the president of the whinners. Oh and if you dont like listening to whinners then WHY DO YOU COME HERE? Oh, you're stupid too. Great. We have an award for that.
Stop trolling, whinning and bitching. If you don't like what you read move to another forum. And by all means, if you cant say anything nice or constructive feel free to cancel your account here.
I'd like to point out that it's not just about a game.
It's also about corporate ethics and accountability to your customers.
I think SOE has set a very dangerous precident in MMO's. I can no longer subscibe to any MMO and trust that my dedication to the community will not be discarded at a moments notice on the whim of a few upper management persons who will likely move on in their careers before the dust settles in their decision making.
As a consumer I am obligated to demand satisfaction, otherwise we are left with an unchanging and stagnant situation where the customers are seen as expendable.
Originally posted by kwai
And you guys still keep on whining , bickering like lil bitches, its really sad to see
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
I'd like to point out that it's not just about a game. It's also about corporate ethics and accountability to your customers. I think SOE has set a very dangerous precident in MMO's. I can no longer subscibe to any MMO and trust that my dedication to the community will not be discarded at a moments notice on the whim of a few upper management persons who will likely move on in their careers before the dust settles in their decision making. As a consumer I am obligated to demand satisfaction, otherwise we are left with an unchanging and stagnant situation where the customers are seen as expendable. Originally posted by kwai
And you guys still keep on whining , bickering like lil bitches, its really sad to see
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
I love those statements from the NGErs... lol those are fuel as far as Im concearned... not to mention that you can see a defense in thier post of how they do not want to be in that catagory..lol I wouldn't either.. lol
It is funny though... they get all upset or defensive, yet they pay SOE... I feel sorry for the average NGE nowadays... they trust anyone, invest in anything and will follow a dev right off a cliff.
They filtered all of us out of the game... the thinkers and ones that question what they are doing... now they just want people to accept what they do without expecting them to deliver a good product.
How ironic that they may now end up on the same last 3 servers they started out with lol..
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
And you guys still keep on whining , bickering like lil bitches, its really sad to see
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
I'll admit it can make people uncomfortable to read outpourings of negative emotion, particularly if you have a low tolerance for that sort of thing.
Some people though find it helpful to get their feelings out and have them understood and validated. Believe it or not this is healing to them to some extent. I realize this isn't everyone's preferred style of coping with loss or disappointment, but it does work for many.
Also, along with a lot of shared emotion in these threads, there is often an attempt to provide an analysis of why things are the way they are, why this is not desirable, and what could still be done to improve the SWG situation.
The fact that strong feelings are often a part of these posts suggests to me how emotionally powerful a MMORPG experience can be. A better understanding of this power and impact will emerge I hope, and be reflected in the care with which companies interact with their playing communities.
This is a dead game. Ill go back when i see the hords of folks that used to be in C-net at the begining and when they get rid of the fps style targeting
No population = dead game
Please let it die it just to sad to beat a dead horse.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who is getting fed up with MMO's trying to become first person shooters. If I wanted reaction based combat, I'd play console games. Twitch games are not relaxing to me. I want the old style MMO's back, where combat is strategic, but completly based on character skills, not the player's.
I was so very excited about Age of Conan till I found out about their combat system. Gah, what a horrible system to implement for a role playing game. They should get rid of the whole RPG aspect and just call it a MMOFPS.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Some people though find it helpful to get their feelings out and have them understood and validated. Believe it or not this is healing to them to some extent. I realize this isn't everyone's preferred style of coping with loss or disappointment, but it does work for many.
I agree with you. But most people that do this get there feelings out and move on. That is how it is therapeutic to them. How long has it been now? Well over a year. When is enough enough? At some point it becomes untherapeutic, unhealthy and simply starts turning into something else!
And you guys still keep on whining , bickering like lil bitches, its really sad to see
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
Welcome to the club then. You will fit in just fine. But us whinners would appreciate it if you could tone down the language a bit. So far you are doing a great job, with this bitch you posted. We might even make you the president of the whinners. Oh and if you dont like listening to whinners then WHY DO YOU COME HERE? Oh, you're stupid too. Great. We have an award for that.
Stop trolling, whinning and bitching. If you don't like what you read move to another forum. And by all means, if you cant say anything nice or constructive feel free to cancel your account here.
And you my good sir should delete your account and move the fuck on, registered the 30th january 2007, right okay, what gives you the right more than me to read any of theese forums ?
Hmm yea good one eh, and ill say what i wanna say, this is a SWG forum im in, just because mods on the SOE forums would delete all of ur whiny topics all the time doesnt mean you can come here and poor out of ur bickering, christ u sound like my wife when she has my period, allways something to whine about, just fuck off allready if you dont like the game , dont post here.
I'd like to point out that it's not just about a game. It's also about corporate ethics and accountability to your customers. I think SOE has set a very dangerous precident in MMO's. I can no longer subscibe to any MMO and trust that my dedication to the community will not be discarded at a moments notice on the whim of a few upper management persons who will likely move on in their careers before the dust settles in their decision making. As a consumer I am obligated to demand satisfaction, otherwise we are left with an unchanging and stagnant situation where the customers are seen as expendable. Originally posted by kwai
And you guys still keep on whining , bickering like lil bitches, its really sad to see
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
I love those statements from the NGErs... lol those are fuel as far as Im concearned... not to mention that you can see a defense in thier post of how they do not want to be in that catagory..lol I wouldn't either.. lol
It is funny though... they get all upset or defensive, yet they pay SOE... I feel sorry for the average NGE nowadays... they trust anyone, invest in anything and will follow a dev right off a cliff.
They filtered all of us out of the game... the thinkers and ones that question what they are doing... now they just want people to accept what they do without expecting them to deliver a good product.
How ironic that they may now end up on the same last 3 servers they started out with lol..
NGE'rs ???!?!?!
I've had SWG since 2003, so no im not a NGE person, im a vet, but i still play SWG, i just accept the facts and move on with it and have whatever fun i can have in the game, which is what i pay for , to have fun, the day i dont have anymore fun in swg, ill unsubscribe and delete the game, till that im gonna pay for it.
And you guys still keep on whining , bickering like lil bitches, its really sad to see
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
I'll admit it can make people uncomfortable to read outpourings of negative emotion, particularly if you have a low tolerance for that sort of thing.
Some people though find it helpful to get their feelings out and have them understood and validated. Believe it or not this is healing to them to some extent. I realize this isn't everyone's preferred style of coping with loss or disappointment, but it does work for many.
Also, along with a lot of shared emotion in these threads, there is often an attempt to provide an analysis of why things are the way they are, why this is not desirable, and what could still be done to improve the SWG situation.
The fact that strong feelings are often a part of these posts suggests to me how emotionally powerful a MMORPG experience can be. A better understanding of this power and impact will emerge I hope, and be reflected in the care with which companies interact with their playing communities.
ArcAngel
Finally a reasonable reply.
Well ive played since 2003, yes ive complained , yes ive whined about it, but that was then , u wont see me here on forums writing shit about any game at all , i dont trash talk or try to keep people away from anything or draw them to anything, what people are posting here now ArchAngel is something thats been written a thousand times if not more, why keep going on ? , its just the same old post over and over again , i've become to think of thoose posts as trolling.
Originally posted by ArcAngel3 Some people though find it helpful to get their feelings out and have them understood and validated. Believe it or not this is healing to them to some extent. I realize this isn't everyone's preferred style of coping with loss or disappointment, but it does work for many.
I agree with you. But most people that do this get there feelings out and move on. That is how it is therapeutic to them. How long has it been now? Well over a year. When is enough enough? At some point it becomes untherapeutic, unhealthy and simply starts turning into something else!
Aye it starts to turn into bickering, trash talking etc. you name it , and now ive heard it all , got judged by some random fool here on the boards who has been registered for less than 3 weeks.
And you guys still keep on whining , bickering like lil bitches, its really sad to see
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
I'll admit it can make people uncomfortable to read outpourings of negative emotion, particularly if you have a low tolerance for that sort of thing.
Some people though find it helpful to get their feelings out and have them understood and validated. Believe it or not this is healing to them to some extent. I realize this isn't everyone's preferred style of coping with loss or disappointment, but it does work for many.
Also, along with a lot of shared emotion in these threads, there is often an attempt to provide an analysis of why things are the way they are, why this is not desirable, and what could still be done to improve the SWG situation.
The fact that strong feelings are often a part of these posts suggests to me how emotionally powerful a MMORPG experience can be. A better understanding of this power and impact will emerge I hope, and be reflected in the care with which companies interact with their playing communities.
ArcAngel
Finally a reasonable reply.
Well ive played since 2003, yes ive complained , yes ive whined about it, but that was then , u wont see me here on forums writing shit about any game at all , i dont trash talk or try to keep people away from anything or draw them to anything, what people are posting here now ArchAngel is something thats been written a thousand times if not more, why keep going on ? , its just the same old post over and over again , i've become to think of thoose posts as trolling.
Well yeah I can see where you're coming frrom I think. Ruminating on negative things indefinitely can become an unhealthy hobby. Being unable to grieve something and then reinvest somewhere else can really get you stuck in a bad spot. What complicates this whole scenario in my view are a few things:
-People challenge each other's views of reality, so people who want validation keep shouting louder waiting for others to say, "ya ok you've got a point there." When this doesn't happen things just seem to escalate into flame wars, and yeah those are very unproductive.
-Another problem here I think is that SOE seems to ask for player feedback and input still, and they still hold out the idea that some things may be restored. When you've got that going on, people are likely going to scream until they feel they get heard.
-Also, a lot of people really want pre-cu servers and hold up another SOE game with "classic" servers as an example. When they hear SOE say they "can't" do classic servers, they don't believe them I think. It seems to come across more as, "we won't." So I think a lot of people keep posting with the hope of changing minds at SOE. The company's history of going back and forth on issues isn't really helping them there in my view.
-Still other people want more of an apology from SOE before they will be ready to "let them off the hook" so to speak. There was an apology for communication and timing around the NGE, and that helped some to move on. Others though feel a need to hear a more comprehensive apology. Something along the lines of, "we shouldn't have misled you with our ToOW marketting, we shouldn't have imposed unwanted changes on you, we shouldn't have deleted your professions and progress, we're sorry, and we'll try to somehow address the harm that was done."
So there are a lot of complicated things going on that keep this ball of chaos rolling. People listening to and respecting each other would help a bit I think. People agreeing to disagree would help. Some folks being able to let go of stuff might do them some good (I don't say this glibly though, or think its easy to do). SOE making a more comprehensive apology might help some; and SOE interacting with players in an open, honest, consistent way would also be helpful.
All in all though, this is a real complicated social mess--the kind that is much easier to create than to correct.
And you guys still keep on whining , bickering like lil bitches, its really sad to see
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
I'll admit it can make people uncomfortable to read outpourings of negative emotion, particularly if you have a low tolerance for that sort of thing.
Some people though find it helpful to get their feelings out and have them understood and validated. Believe it or not this is healing to them to some extent. I realize this isn't everyone's preferred style of coping with loss or disappointment, but it does work for many.
Also, along with a lot of shared emotion in these threads, there is often an attempt to provide an analysis of why things are the way they are, why this is not desirable, and what could still be done to improve the SWG situation.
The fact that strong feelings are often a part of these posts suggests to me how emotionally powerful a MMORPG experience can be. A better understanding of this power and impact will emerge I hope, and be reflected in the care with which companies interact with their playing communities.
ArcAngel
Finally a reasonable reply.
Well ive played since 2003, yes ive complained , yes ive whined about it, but that was then , u wont see me here on forums writing shit about any game at all , i dont trash talk or try to keep people away from anything or draw them to anything, what people are posting here now ArchAngel is something thats been written a thousand times if not more, why keep going on ? , its just the same old post over and over again , i've become to think of thoose posts as trolling.
Well yeah I can see where you're coming frrom I think. Ruminating on negative things indefinitely can become an unhealthy hobby. Being unable to grieve something and then reinvest somewhere else can really get you stuck in a bad spot. What complicates this whole scenario in my view are a few things:
-People challenge each other's views of reality, so people who want validation keep shouting louder waiting for others to say, "ya ok you've got a point there." When this doesn't happen things just seem to escalate into flame wars, and yeah those are very unproductive.
-Another problem here I think is that SOE seems to ask for player feedback and input still, and they still hold out the idea that some things may be restored. When you've got that going on, people are likely going to scream until they feel they get heard.
-Also, a lot of people really want pre-cu servers and hold up another SOE game with "classic" servers as an example. When they hear SOE say they "can't" do classic servers, they don't believe them I think. It seems to come across more as, "we won't." So I think a lot of people keep posting with the hope of changing minds at SOE. The company's history of going back and forth on issues isn't really helping them there in my view.
-Still other people want more of an apology from SOE before they will be ready to "let them off the hook" so to speak. There was an apology for communication and timing around the NGE, and that helped some to move on. Others though feel a need to hear a more comprehensive apology. Something along the lines of, "we shouldn't have misled you with our ToOW marketting, we shouldn't have imposed unwanted changes on you, we shouldn't have deleted your professions and progress, we're sorry, and we'll try to somehow address the harm that was done."
So there are a lot of complicated things going on that keep this ball of chaos rolling. People listening to and respecting each other would help a bit I think. People agreeing to disagree would help. Some folks being able to let go of stuff might do them some good (I don't say this glibly though, or think its easy to do). SOE making a more comprehensive apology might help some; and SOE interacting with players in an open, honest, consistent way would also be helpful.
All in all though, this is a real complicated social mess--the kind that is much easier to create than to correct.
ArcAngel
"People agreeing to disagree would help", I think you nailed it with that comment. Most of the vets from day 1 miss the old game and often talk about or refer to it for comparison. Most often this is met with "then quit" or "stfu" comments. Most of the vets that are left don't want to quit. We want to help make the game what it was, fun! Does this mean we want the NGE gone? No. While it would be nice to have the original game restored, we know this will never happen. However, that doesn't mean we should stop trying to get some of the old features back like jedi content, old skill sets and harder missions.
We may disagree on what version of the game is best, but all-in-all we're all riding in the same boat so let's just concentrate on not sinking!
And you guys still keep on whining , bickering like lil bitches, its really sad to see
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
Welcome to the club then. You will fit in just fine. But us whinners would appreciate it if you could tone down the language a bit. So far you are doing a great job, with this bitch you posted. We might even make you the president of the whinners. Oh and if you dont like listening to whinners then WHY DO YOU COME HERE? Oh, you're stupid too. Great. We have an award for that.
Stop trolling, whinning and bitching. If you don't like what you read move to another forum. And by all means, if you cant say anything nice or constructive feel free to cancel your account here.
And you my good sir should delete your account and move the fuck on, registered the 30th january 2007, right okay, what gives you the right more than me to read any of theese forums ?
Hmm yea good one eh, and ill say what i wanna say, this is a SWG forum im in, just because mods on the SOE forums would delete all of ur whiny topics all the time doesnt mean you can come here and poor out of ur bickering, christ u sound like my wife when she has my period, allways something to whine about, just fuck off allready if you dont like the game , dont post here.
You are out of line. You know nothing about me. All i was trying to show your little mind is, that you are bitching about the bitchers. Which makes you just as bad as the bitchers themselves. I think you need to read my post again. To tell you to cancel your account was a bit harsh, and i'm sorry. You have every right to be here as do I. But you have to face facts, which I have done. There will always be whiners. You can't get away from it so except it and let it roll. There's no need to use the language you have used. You are also assuming a lot of things about me just because of my register date. Don't be a hater. Grow up. Or learn to control your anger a bit better. Oh, and good luck with your period. It must be your time of the month.
And you guys still keep on whining , bickering like lil bitches, its really sad to see
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
I'll admit it can make people uncomfortable to read outpourings of negative emotion, particularly if you have a low tolerance for that sort of thing.
Some people though find it helpful to get their feelings out and have them understood and validated. Believe it or not this is healing to them to some extent. I realize this isn't everyone's preferred style of coping with loss or disappointment, but it does work for many.
Also, along with a lot of shared emotion in these threads, there is often an attempt to provide an analysis of why things are the way they are, why this is not desirable, and what could still be done to improve the SWG situation.
The fact that strong feelings are often a part of these posts suggests to me how emotionally powerful a MMORPG experience can be. A better understanding of this power and impact will emerge I hope, and be reflected in the care with which companies interact with their playing communities.
ArcAngel
Finally a reasonable reply.
Well ive played since 2003, yes ive complained , yes ive whined about it, but that was then , u wont see me here on forums writing shit about any game at all , i dont trash talk or try to keep people away from anything or draw them to anything, what people are posting here now ArchAngel is something thats been written a thousand times if not more, why keep going on ? , its just the same old post over and over again , i've become to think of thoose posts as trolling.
Well yeah I can see where you're coming frrom I think. Ruminating on negative things indefinitely can become an unhealthy hobby. Being unable to grieve something and then reinvest somewhere else can really get you stuck in a bad spot. What complicates this whole scenario in my view are a few things:
-People challenge each other's views of reality, so people who want validation keep shouting louder waiting for others to say, "ya ok you've got a point there." When this doesn't happen things just seem to escalate into flame wars, and yeah those are very unproductive.
-Another problem here I think is that SOE seems to ask for player feedback and input still, and they still hold out the idea that some things may be restored. When you've got that going on, people are likely going to scream until they feel they get heard.
-Also, a lot of people really want pre-cu servers and hold up another SOE game with "classic" servers as an example. When they hear SOE say they "can't" do classic servers, they don't believe them I think. It seems to come across more as, "we won't." So I think a lot of people keep posting with the hope of changing minds at SOE. The company's history of going back and forth on issues isn't really helping them there in my view.
-Still other people want more of an apology from SOE before they will be ready to "let them off the hook" so to speak. There was an apology for communication and timing around the NGE, and that helped some to move on. Others though feel a need to hear a more comprehensive apology. Something along the lines of, "we shouldn't have misled you with our ToOW marketting, we shouldn't have imposed unwanted changes on you, we shouldn't have deleted your professions and progress, we're sorry, and we'll try to somehow address the harm that was done."
So there are a lot of complicated things going on that keep this ball of chaos rolling. People listening to and respecting each other would help a bit I think. People agreeing to disagree would help. Some folks being able to let go of stuff might do them some good (I don't say this glibly though, or think its easy to do). SOE making a more comprehensive apology might help some; and SOE interacting with players in an open, honest, consistent way would also be helpful.
All in all though, this is a real complicated social mess--the kind that is much easier to create than to correct.
ArcAngel
Aye i can follow you with what you mean, its not that its just that *sigh*
SWG had the best community of all games , back then i actually could put my self into my character, and im no RP'r , i seriously dont believe in stuff like that, but i got so caught up in the game, but yea now im just playing to have fun and to gank people with my spy, which i get alot of hate tells from people etc. which is why i keep playing , because of the fun pvp griefing i can have , and thats about it.
I dont expect anything from SOE , and never will, because they can't be trusted, simple as that.
Ok.. i am not here to give my opinion on anything or side with SOE. I still hate them and i will never forgive them for betraying old SWG players. But i think we all should give SWG another try. Trust me its not that bad. I returned after two years and after playign it i know why i missed it. Even in its current state its 100 times better then any MMO out there. This game is what we make it. If anyone thinks SOE is going to change it to its original state we all know its not going to happen. Things have changed and game is a lot more stable now. It has a great potential for role play and i havent seen such a great atmosphere in any other MMO. Its not going to die..lets be sure about this fact. So i would really like it, if a lot more older players give it a try thinkng that its whole new game and has nothign to do with the old one.
I know you miss it.
Ya I miss the game like I miss an old girlfriend from a disfunctional relationship. What would getting back together solve? Same problems still exist and I see nothing new to be convinced otherwise.
I have already given this game two tries. Go back again and give it third try?
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Um ok man. You weren't just being an asshat a few minutes ago? lol ok. Next thing you know, you'll tell me that the NGE servers are growing in population.
What also makes me wonder why the NGE'ers keep posting here.... If the NGE is that damn good, why do they keep posting period in this forum that is made up for former vets to post their rightfull gripes. In my opinion its good for people to visit theses forums and see two sides of the NGE, People get to see the kiddie witty responses and why the game is Uber and l33t and they get to see the true side of SOE's attempt to dump one playerbase to try to cash in on kids attention spans, its like "Hey Kids, Its a Star Wars game, come here and ask mommy or daddy to pay for your account with us and you can be a jedi...Yes kids you can be a JEDI!!! Isn't that UBER!! Isn't that L33t!!!"
To sum it up, SOE took a promising concept which had 300k+ people running everywhere and saw WoW's numbers and said, "Hmm, we can cash in on that success, lets dump our paying customers and change the game and bring in some new players whom can be suckered into anything we tell them" , Its as simple as that. Now before you flame me, think about it... SOE took Pre-CU, which had a big number of subs, dumped it to try to make a grasp at a possibility and it didnt work, all they have now its kids running around playing jedi and the numbers are not as big as it was, SOE lost 300k+ subscriptions to what? have 10k or less new players? Doesnt make much sense.
Here is another thought, how long will it be before SOE rethinks their "business decision about the NGE" and come up with something new and change the game on you NGE'ers? And then look to grab a new playerbase? If they did it to us for visions of greed, then they will do so again, SOE already have shown you folks about broken promises, they have said things that would return to the game to simply drop it or post saying it was only an idea. Here is another concept for you NGE folks, what happens, and this is just throwing something into the wind, what if the emu comes out well? people begin hosting their own servers, people start moving away from this forum and go to their own forums and more and more people leave for their own servers, SOE and most likely LA will look at this and think twice, I am 37 years old and run a business, if you feel you can make money from an old idea, you will try your damnest to get it....Best way to say it.. Never say never....SOE has lied before and right now their boasting that there will be no classic or pre-cu servers, but if this scenerio comes up and people begin paying more attention to the emu, trust me, SOE and LA will want to cash in on it and SOE would have to swallow its pride and say, "Well do to the overwhelming demand of classic servers, we feel we owe our former players two servers to enjoy" ... They did it for EQ, they will do it for SWG, ..all it takes is time and the right time to spring it out without ruining more their reps and making the NGE look like a failure.
Bank on that.
Well I gave it a chance for a few months after the NGE was released. Then I gave it another chance just a few months ago. Here's what I found after the last chance:
-My server was relatively empty for the two months I returned (I found an unused game card in my basement and decided to activate it).
- My guild city was dead. Our guild leaders had just come back from a long break (to heal their minds from the NGE shockwave), but most guild members were gone, and the city was mainly deserted.
-People's pets were (and in many cases are) still locked in their datapads.
-There was an overspawn bug ruining the Restuss PvP area.
-I still encountered age-old bugs and issues related to healing and rez functions.
-I could still kill any NPC solo in no time flat, without any thought, challenge, or interaction with other players (NGE combat).
-Loot dropping out of everything, nothing ever wearing out, and no real need for crafters was still preventing me from having previously enjoyable "shopping sprees" at now empty or non-existent malls.
-I still had no need to see an entertainer, and when I popped by the cantinas just for something to do, some were completely empty, while others were lightly populated. Since I didn't have any need to be there, I didn't stay--probably what others were thinking also I'm guessing.
-I drove past town after town, after empty town, and began to feel creeped out and lonely.
-My friend list (which was huge), showed either no one on, or only 3 or 4 friends on sporadically.
-My combat droid always parked itself exactly between me and a target, always obscuring my view, and I had to keep giving it the attack command over and over again to get it to do anything. (It used to stay out of my line of sight and keep attacking until I told it to stop or the target was dead.)
-I read posts about how SOE "might" return some of the things that they had taken away, but that I would have to wait a while to see if this ever materialized, and keep paying a subscription while waiting and testing basic game functions as if I was a beta tester.
-I missed my old character professions, abilities, animations, progress, friends and game community immensely.
-I missed group hunting which didn't really seem to happen anymore because teams were unnecessary and their was a penalty applied to xp for grouping.
-I missed simple things like camping (while hunting or just hanging out on the beach with friends) because SOE refused to restore such a simple pleasure because they didn't believe it was fun and/or they didn't think it fit in with the new system.
-I found newer players telling vets to "stop whining or leave."
-I found vets calling newer players "retards."
-I tried to post ideas for improvements to the game in what I thought was a constructive manner, but had posts deleted or moved by SOE forum moderators.
-I read news items from SOE saying how the servers are doing great, and the forums are very positive, and yet was seeing with my own eyes the exact opposite of what they claimed.
Overall, I'd have to say that it was a simply brutal experience.
I realized that this was not the kind of environment I would choose to try to relax and have fun in, so I let my subscription run out, and now have no intention of going back. I've reinvested my time and emotional energy into a gaming environment that seems much healthier and more enjoyable. I still post on forums like this in an attempt to highlight important game related issues on behalf of friends who still play the game simply because it's Star Wars. I also hate to see anything related to Star Wars in such a state, and hope that someday it won't be such a stain on a truly wonderful story.
ArcAngel
P.S. I just read something in this thread about holobands. For what it's worth I'd like to point out that when I was a Master Musician I got to play in bands made up of actual players. We played different instruments, and did individual solos or band "flourishes" that had us all moving in sync. We had musicians in the background and dancers in the foreground, and it was an amazing thing to be a part of. Back when groups could hold 20 people, you sometimes couldn't join the band because it was full. When groups were reduced to 8, there were still 2 or 3 bands playing all at the same time in numerous cantinas. That stuff was just great fun. Seeing the cantinas as they were the last time I logged in was really quite sad in comparison.
I found the same things ArcAngel, thanks for pointing those facts out to everyone including the NGE'ers
Um ok man. You weren't just being an asshat a few minutes ago?
Meh, perhaps I was, at that. Anyway, I just wanted to express my opinion. Maybe I did it in a piss poor way, I dunno. Guess we'll agree to disagree.Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there,
80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters.
Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior,
and he will bring the others home.
-Heraclitus 500BC
You said it brother, This game in its original state had so much potential that was unfortunately pissed away.
I miss my character and my Jedi I worked so hard to get and my Guild that was just awsome!! House of Pain on Naritus server.
May all my Guildies find peace and fun in all your new gaming adventures
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there,
80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters.
Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior,
and he will bring the others home.
-Heraclitus 500BC
Either you play the game or you don't simple as that, no reason to sit here and write a novelle about old days, its getting tiresome after a few posts with the same shit and the same people posting in it just to whine, yes i call it whine because its all you ever fucking do, christ , do something usefull with your time.
List of SOE lies
I'd still really like to see that screenshot of the server listings if anyone could make one and post it.
I don't have an active account, otherwise I'd do it myself.
Stop trolling, whinning and bitching. If you don't like what you read move to another forum. And by all means, if you cant say anything nice or constructive feel free to cancel your account here.
I'd like to point out that it's not just about a game.
It's also about corporate ethics and accountability to your customers.
I think SOE has set a very dangerous precident in MMO's. I can no longer subscibe to any MMO and trust that my dedication to the community will not be discarded at a moments notice on the whim of a few upper management persons who will likely move on in their careers before the dust settles in their decision making.
As a consumer I am obligated to demand satisfaction, otherwise we are left with an unchanging and stagnant situation where the customers are seen as expendable.
I love those statements from the NGErs... lol those are fuel as far as Im concearned... not to mention that you can see a defense in thier post of how they do not want to be in that catagory..lol I wouldn't either.. lol
It is funny though... they get all upset or defensive, yet they pay SOE... I feel sorry for the average NGE nowadays... they trust anyone, invest in anything and will follow a dev right off a cliff.
They filtered all of us out of the game... the thinkers and ones that question what they are doing... now they just want people to accept what they do without expecting them to deliver a good product.
How ironic that they may now end up on the same last 3 servers they started out with lol..
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I'll admit it can make people uncomfortable to read outpourings of negative emotion, particularly if you have a low tolerance for that sort of thing.
Some people though find it helpful to get their feelings out and have them understood and validated. Believe it or not this is healing to them to some extent. I realize this isn't everyone's preferred style of coping with loss or disappointment, but it does work for many.
Also, along with a lot of shared emotion in these threads, there is often an attempt to provide an analysis of why things are the way they are, why this is not desirable, and what could still be done to improve the SWG situation.
The fact that strong feelings are often a part of these posts suggests to me how emotionally powerful a MMORPG experience can be. A better understanding of this power and impact will emerge I hope, and be reflected in the care with which companies interact with their playing communities.
ArcAngel
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who is getting fed up with MMO's trying to become first person shooters. If I wanted reaction based combat, I'd play console games. Twitch games are not relaxing to me. I want the old style MMO's back, where combat is strategic, but completly based on character skills, not the player's.
I was so very excited about Age of Conan till I found out about their combat system. Gah, what a horrible system to implement for a role playing game. They should get rid of the whole RPG aspect and just call it a MMOFPS.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Stop trolling, whinning and bitching. If you don't like what you read move to another forum. And by all means, if you cant say anything nice or constructive feel free to cancel your account here.
And you my good sir should delete your account and move the fuck on, registered the 30th january 2007, right okay, what gives you the right more than me to read any of theese forums ?
Hmm yea good one eh, and ill say what i wanna say, this is a SWG forum im in, just because mods on the SOE forums would delete all of ur whiny topics all the time doesnt mean you can come here and poor out of ur bickering, christ u sound like my wife when she has my period, allways something to whine about, just fuck off allready if you dont like the game , dont post here.
List of SOE lies
I love those statements from the NGErs... lol those are fuel as far as Im concearned... not to mention that you can see a defense in thier post of how they do not want to be in that catagory..lol I wouldn't either.. lol
It is funny though... they get all upset or defensive, yet they pay SOE... I feel sorry for the average NGE nowadays... they trust anyone, invest in anything and will follow a dev right off a cliff.
They filtered all of us out of the game... the thinkers and ones that question what they are doing... now they just want people to accept what they do without expecting them to deliver a good product.
How ironic that they may now end up on the same last 3 servers they started out with lol..
NGE'rs ???!?!?!
I've had SWG since 2003, so no im not a NGE person, im a vet, but i still play SWG, i just accept the facts and move on with it and have whatever fun i can have in the game, which is what i pay for , to have fun, the day i dont have anymore fun in swg, ill unsubscribe and delete the game, till that im gonna pay for it.
List of SOE lies
I'll admit it can make people uncomfortable to read outpourings of negative emotion, particularly if you have a low tolerance for that sort of thing.
Some people though find it helpful to get their feelings out and have them understood and validated. Believe it or not this is healing to them to some extent. I realize this isn't everyone's preferred style of coping with loss or disappointment, but it does work for many.
Also, along with a lot of shared emotion in these threads, there is often an attempt to provide an analysis of why things are the way they are, why this is not desirable, and what could still be done to improve the SWG situation.
The fact that strong feelings are often a part of these posts suggests to me how emotionally powerful a MMORPG experience can be. A better understanding of this power and impact will emerge I hope, and be reflected in the care with which companies interact with their playing communities.
ArcAngel
Finally a reasonable reply.
Well ive played since 2003, yes ive complained , yes ive whined about it, but that was then , u wont see me here on forums writing shit about any game at all , i dont trash talk or try to keep people away from anything or draw them to anything, what people are posting here now ArchAngel is something thats been written a thousand times if not more, why keep going on ? , its just the same old post over and over again , i've become to think of thoose posts as trolling.
List of SOE lies
Aye it starts to turn into bickering, trash talking etc. you name it , and now ive heard it all , got judged by some random fool here on the boards who has been registered for less than 3 weeks.
What will be the next, oh i ponder.
List of SOE lies
I'll admit it can make people uncomfortable to read outpourings of negative emotion, particularly if you have a low tolerance for that sort of thing.
Some people though find it helpful to get their feelings out and have them understood and validated. Believe it or not this is healing to them to some extent. I realize this isn't everyone's preferred style of coping with loss or disappointment, but it does work for many.
Also, along with a lot of shared emotion in these threads, there is often an attempt to provide an analysis of why things are the way they are, why this is not desirable, and what could still be done to improve the SWG situation.
The fact that strong feelings are often a part of these posts suggests to me how emotionally powerful a MMORPG experience can be. A better understanding of this power and impact will emerge I hope, and be reflected in the care with which companies interact with their playing communities.
ArcAngel
Finally a reasonable reply.
Well ive played since 2003, yes ive complained , yes ive whined about it, but that was then , u wont see me here on forums writing shit about any game at all , i dont trash talk or try to keep people away from anything or draw them to anything, what people are posting here now ArchAngel is something thats been written a thousand times if not more, why keep going on ? , its just the same old post over and over again , i've become to think of thoose posts as trolling.
Well yeah I can see where you're coming frrom I think. Ruminating on negative things indefinitely can become an unhealthy hobby. Being unable to grieve something and then reinvest somewhere else can really get you stuck in a bad spot. What complicates this whole scenario in my view are a few things:
-People challenge each other's views of reality, so people who want validation keep shouting louder waiting for others to say, "ya ok you've got a point there." When this doesn't happen things just seem to escalate into flame wars, and yeah those are very unproductive.
-Another problem here I think is that SOE seems to ask for player feedback and input still, and they still hold out the idea that some things may be restored. When you've got that going on, people are likely going to scream until they feel they get heard.
-Also, a lot of people really want pre-cu servers and hold up another SOE game with "classic" servers as an example. When they hear SOE say they "can't" do classic servers, they don't believe them I think. It seems to come across more as, "we won't." So I think a lot of people keep posting with the hope of changing minds at SOE. The company's history of going back and forth on issues isn't really helping them there in my view.
-Still other people want more of an apology from SOE before they will be ready to "let them off the hook" so to speak. There was an apology for communication and timing around the NGE, and that helped some to move on. Others though feel a need to hear a more comprehensive apology. Something along the lines of, "we shouldn't have misled you with our ToOW marketting, we shouldn't have imposed unwanted changes on you, we shouldn't have deleted your professions and progress, we're sorry, and we'll try to somehow address the harm that was done."
So there are a lot of complicated things going on that keep this ball of chaos rolling. People listening to and respecting each other would help a bit I think. People agreeing to disagree would help. Some folks being able to let go of stuff might do them some good (I don't say this glibly though, or think its easy to do). SOE making a more comprehensive apology might help some; and SOE interacting with players in an open, honest, consistent way would also be helpful.
All in all though, this is a real complicated social mess--the kind that is much easier to create than to correct.
ArcAngel
I'll admit it can make people uncomfortable to read outpourings of negative emotion, particularly if you have a low tolerance for that sort of thing.
Some people though find it helpful to get their feelings out and have them understood and validated. Believe it or not this is healing to them to some extent. I realize this isn't everyone's preferred style of coping with loss or disappointment, but it does work for many.
Also, along with a lot of shared emotion in these threads, there is often an attempt to provide an analysis of why things are the way they are, why this is not desirable, and what could still be done to improve the SWG situation.
The fact that strong feelings are often a part of these posts suggests to me how emotionally powerful a MMORPG experience can be. A better understanding of this power and impact will emerge I hope, and be reflected in the care with which companies interact with their playing communities.
ArcAngel
Finally a reasonable reply.
Well ive played since 2003, yes ive complained , yes ive whined about it, but that was then , u wont see me here on forums writing shit about any game at all , i dont trash talk or try to keep people away from anything or draw them to anything, what people are posting here now ArchAngel is something thats been written a thousand times if not more, why keep going on ? , its just the same old post over and over again , i've become to think of thoose posts as trolling.
Well yeah I can see where you're coming frrom I think. Ruminating on negative things indefinitely can become an unhealthy hobby. Being unable to grieve something and then reinvest somewhere else can really get you stuck in a bad spot. What complicates this whole scenario in my view are a few things:
-People challenge each other's views of reality, so people who want validation keep shouting louder waiting for others to say, "ya ok you've got a point there." When this doesn't happen things just seem to escalate into flame wars, and yeah those are very unproductive.
-Another problem here I think is that SOE seems to ask for player feedback and input still, and they still hold out the idea that some things may be restored. When you've got that going on, people are likely going to scream until they feel they get heard.
-Also, a lot of people really want pre-cu servers and hold up another SOE game with "classic" servers as an example. When they hear SOE say they "can't" do classic servers, they don't believe them I think. It seems to come across more as, "we won't." So I think a lot of people keep posting with the hope of changing minds at SOE. The company's history of going back and forth on issues isn't really helping them there in my view.
-Still other people want more of an apology from SOE before they will be ready to "let them off the hook" so to speak. There was an apology for communication and timing around the NGE, and that helped some to move on. Others though feel a need to hear a more comprehensive apology. Something along the lines of, "we shouldn't have misled you with our ToOW marketting, we shouldn't have imposed unwanted changes on you, we shouldn't have deleted your professions and progress, we're sorry, and we'll try to somehow address the harm that was done."
So there are a lot of complicated things going on that keep this ball of chaos rolling. People listening to and respecting each other would help a bit I think. People agreeing to disagree would help. Some folks being able to let go of stuff might do them some good (I don't say this glibly though, or think its easy to do). SOE making a more comprehensive apology might help some; and SOE interacting with players in an open, honest, consistent way would also be helpful.
All in all though, this is a real complicated social mess--the kind that is much easier to create than to correct.
ArcAngel
"People agreeing to disagree would help", I think you nailed it with that comment. Most of the vets from day 1 miss the old game and often talk about or refer to it for comparison. Most often this is met with "then quit" or "stfu" comments. Most of the vets that are left don't want to quit. We want to help make the game what it was, fun! Does this mean we want the NGE gone? No. While it would be nice to have the original game restored, we know this will never happen. However, that doesn't mean we should stop trying to get some of the old features back like jedi content, old skill sets and harder missions.
We may disagree on what version of the game is best, but all-in-all we're all riding in the same boat so let's just concentrate on not sinking!
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Stop trolling, whinning and bitching. If you don't like what you read move to another forum. And by all means, if you cant say anything nice or constructive feel free to cancel your account here.
And you my good sir should delete your account and move the fuck on, registered the 30th january 2007, right okay, what gives you the right more than me to read any of theese forums ?
Hmm yea good one eh, and ill say what i wanna say, this is a SWG forum im in, just because mods on the SOE forums would delete all of ur whiny topics all the time doesnt mean you can come here and poor out of ur bickering, christ u sound like my wife when she has my period, allways something to whine about, just fuck off allready if you dont like the game , dont post here.
You are out of line. You know nothing about me. All i was trying to show your little mind is, that you are bitching about the bitchers. Which makes you just as bad as the bitchers themselves. I think you need to read my post again. To tell you to cancel your account was a bit harsh, and i'm sorry.
I'll admit it can make people uncomfortable to read outpourings of negative emotion, particularly if you have a low tolerance for that sort of thing.
Some people though find it helpful to get their feelings out and have them understood and validated. Believe it or not this is healing to them to some extent. I realize this isn't everyone's preferred style of coping with loss or disappointment, but it does work for many.
Also, along with a lot of shared emotion in these threads, there is often an attempt to provide an analysis of why things are the way they are, why this is not desirable, and what could still be done to improve the SWG situation.
The fact that strong feelings are often a part of these posts suggests to me how emotionally powerful a MMORPG experience can be. A better understanding of this power and impact will emerge I hope, and be reflected in the care with which companies interact with their playing communities.
ArcAngel
Finally a reasonable reply.
Well ive played since 2003, yes ive complained , yes ive whined about it, but that was then , u wont see me here on forums writing shit about any game at all , i dont trash talk or try to keep people away from anything or draw them to anything, what people are posting here now ArchAngel is something thats been written a thousand times if not more, why keep going on ? , its just the same old post over and over again , i've become to think of thoose posts as trolling.
Well yeah I can see where you're coming frrom I think. Ruminating on negative things indefinitely can become an unhealthy hobby. Being unable to grieve something and then reinvest somewhere else can really get you stuck in a bad spot. What complicates this whole scenario in my view are a few things:
-People challenge each other's views of reality, so people who want validation keep shouting louder waiting for others to say, "ya ok you've got a point there." When this doesn't happen things just seem to escalate into flame wars, and yeah those are very unproductive.
-Another problem here I think is that SOE seems to ask for player feedback and input still, and they still hold out the idea that some things may be restored. When you've got that going on, people are likely going to scream until they feel they get heard.
-Also, a lot of people really want pre-cu servers and hold up another SOE game with "classic" servers as an example. When they hear SOE say they "can't" do classic servers, they don't believe them I think. It seems to come across more as, "we won't." So I think a lot of people keep posting with the hope of changing minds at SOE. The company's history of going back and forth on issues isn't really helping them there in my view.
-Still other people want more of an apology from SOE before they will be ready to "let them off the hook" so to speak. There was an apology for communication and timing around the NGE, and that helped some to move on. Others though feel a need to hear a more comprehensive apology. Something along the lines of, "we shouldn't have misled you with our ToOW marketting, we shouldn't have imposed unwanted changes on you, we shouldn't have deleted your professions and progress, we're sorry, and we'll try to somehow address the harm that was done."
So there are a lot of complicated things going on that keep this ball of chaos rolling. People listening to and respecting each other would help a bit I think. People agreeing to disagree would help. Some folks being able to let go of stuff might do them some good (I don't say this glibly though, or think its easy to do). SOE making a more comprehensive apology might help some; and SOE interacting with players in an open, honest, consistent way would also be helpful.
All in all though, this is a real complicated social mess--the kind that is much easier to create than to correct.
ArcAngel
Aye i can follow you with what you mean, its not that its just that *sigh*
SWG had the best community of all games , back then i actually could put my self into my character, and im no RP'r , i seriously dont believe in stuff like that, but i got so caught up in the game, but yea now im just playing to have fun and to gank people with my spy, which i get alot of hate tells from people etc. which is why i keep playing , because of the fun pvp griefing i can have
I dont expect anything from SOE , and never will, because they can't be trusted, simple as that.
List of SOE lies
Ya I miss the game like I miss an old girlfriend from a disfunctional relationship. What would getting back together solve? Same problems still exist and I see nothing new to be convinced otherwise.
I have already given this game two tries. Go back again and give it third try?
Nope
They can go to hell as far as I am concerned.