After readin all the postings and ratings here i came to the conclusion not to buy this game. Why not ?? 1st reason is that many people here complain about a huge grind fest. 2nd reason is that many people complain that after L15 the solo time is mostly over. 3rd reason is that i read that many people with High End systems have problems with grafics. 4th reason is that the game has to many Bugs and should be BETA. I hate beeing a paying beta tester. 5th reason it´s to expensive. 50$ + 15$ is to much for a game in Beta state. 35$ + 12$ would be fair. So thnx alot to all the people here posting about this game on this board.
You won't be missed at all "NOW GO PLAY WoW SINCE YOU CAN'T HACK A GAME REQUIRING SKILL"
Make sure your friends don't play either, we don't like your ilk!
It seems Vanguard has a bad community. Is it lot of players like this
After readin all the postings and ratings here i came to the conclusion not to buy this game. Why not ?? 1st reason is that many people here complain about a huge grind fest. 2nd reason is that many people complain that after L15 the solo time is mostly over. 3rd reason is that i read that many people with High End systems have problems with grafics. 4th reason is that the game has to many Bugs and should be BETA. I hate beeing a paying beta tester. 5th reason it´s to expensive. 50$ + 15$ is to much for a game in Beta state. 35$ + 12$ would be fair. So thnx alot to all the people here posting about this game on this board.
After readin all the postings and ratings here i came to the conclusion not to buy this game. Why not ?? 1st reason is that many people here complain about a huge grind fest. 2nd reason is that many people complain that after L15 the solo time is mostly over. 3rd reason is that i read that many people with High End systems have problems with grafics. 4th reason is that the game has to many Bugs and should be BETA. I hate beeing a paying beta tester. 5th reason it´s to expensive. 50$ + 15$ is to much for a game in Beta state. 35$ + 12$ would be fair. So thnx alot to all the people here posting about this game on this board.
You won't be missed at all "NOW GO PLAY WoW SINCE YOU CAN'T HACK A GAME REQUIRING SKILL"
Make sure your friends don't play either, we don't like your ilk!
It seems Vanguard has a bad community. Is it lot of players like this
You bet your butt. LOL. I remembered I was in a VG guild last summer. If I said anything about VG and how I'm worried about it. they would rip me to parts. And I was an active member on that guild too. Also, everyday in beta I would here "Go back to WoW" if someone said ANYTHING. Like, "the animations arn't that great." then they would tear that guy/girl apart. The community, like I've stated before, is no better than wow. in its own way. At least in WoW if I say something about the game in a negative sense, I don't get chewed out.
/played-mmorpgs
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I guess if a forum agrees that jumping off a bridge is the right way to go, you will do that too right?
dude, try things for yourself.
You can solo all the way to 50, you just wont get great gear. There is no grind if you do quests. Quests give way more exp than grinding if you prefer it. There is... you know what, I am not even gonna waste my time telling you what an awesome experience you are missing just cause you let other people think for you. I guess I am glad you arn't in this game, people like you is what a community does not need.
Classic Vanboi response. Ignore logic. Saying you should try any piece of crap out there yourself and not research it is like buying a car without researching it. If the car isn't right for you why should you buy. Same goes for any product including games and especially mmos since too many developers believe in release now and fix later. The OP shows intelligence for researching the product before buying and not putting blind faith in a lot of broken dev promises.
I guess if a forum agrees that jumping off a bridge is the right way to go, you will do that too right?
dude, try things for yourself.
You can solo all the way to 50, you just wont get great gear. There is no grind if you do quests. Quests give way more exp than grinding if you prefer it. There is... you know what, I am not even gonna waste my time telling you what an awesome experience you are missing just cause you let other people think for you. I guess I am glad you arn't in this game, people like you is what a community does not need.
Classic Vanboi response. Ignore logic. Saying you should try any piece of crap out there yourself and not research it is like buying a car without researching it.
Coming here is the worst place to research things ... yuck ... nothing but criers and babble all day. everything here should be taken with a grain of salt. ....so with that in mind i would go see the car, test drive the car...i am not going to base me buying the car on some morons opinion of it on the web. Got to touch it, feel it, see it.
If the car isn't right for you why should you buy. Same goes for any product including games and especially mmos since too many developers believe in release now and fix later. The OP shows intelligence for researching the product before buying and not putting blind faith in a lot of broken dev promises.
its why they have free trials..get on look around for yourself ... so you can see for yourself. Im been in a few betas and with that knowledge made my determination based on professional reviews...
I guess if a forum agrees that jumping off a bridge is the right way to go, you will do that too right?
dude, try things for yourself.
You can solo all the way to 50, you just wont get great gear. There is no grind if you do quests. Quests give way more exp than grinding if you prefer it. There is... you know what, I am not even gonna waste my time telling you what an awesome experience you are missing just cause you let other people think for you. I guess I am glad you arn't in this game, people like you is what a community does not need.
Classic Vanboi response. Ignore logic. Saying you should try any piece of crap out there yourself and not research it is like buying a car without researching it. If the car isn't right for you why should you buy. Same goes for any product including games and especially mmos since too many developers believe in release now and fix later. The OP shows intelligence for researching the product before buying and not putting blind faith in a lot of broken dev promises.
Getting information froma site where 3/4 of the people play one game, will always get you a biased opinion. The op shows a lack of intelligence by nt looking at what the game has to offer for himself, and just following the herd untill a game is hyped enough to buy it. As for your car example, did you at least test drive the car? Same for Vg, a buddy pass perhaps s he can try, or just buying the game gets you a month free. Its been said over and over again, if you cant afford 50$ on a game, you need a cheaper hobby, or a better job.
Do you have ANY idea how many great movies I would have missed if I always listened to ebert and reoper? Or Entertainment tonight? No one, and I mean NO ONE has the SAME tastes as you. We are all unique, and have to try thigns for ourselves, or we will kick ourselves later for not trying something that might have given us grat pleasure, if only for a little while.
I think these forums are one of the worse sources to find out if a game is good or not. This forum is filled with trolls of different shapes and sizes. Trolls, that make new accounts and rate games at low ratings so their favorite game gets on the famous list. If I were you I would have just bought Vanguard, played it and enjoyed it... forget about what these people say on this forum. Vanguard, is a good game. Just needs some minor fixes. No problem really. Nothing will be perfect and people will never be satisfied.
To the underlined part: I agree...
To the bold part: he might have played it, but he wouldn't have enjoyed it!
The only Vanguard fans are old fat EQers, people who are burnt out on EQ2 and want more of THE EXACT SAME, and people who think anything that isn't WoW is god.
Ok...I played eq1 and im not fat ... nor old ... though i dont know what you mean by old ... I still play eq2 so im not entirelly burnt out ... Vanguard is not the same as eq2 .... I do think that anything that isnt WOW is god ... or a demi god at least.
After readin all the postings and ratings here i came to the conclusion not to buy this game. Why not ?? 1st reason is that many people here complain about a huge grind fest. 2nd reason is that many people complain that after L15 the solo time is mostly over. 3rd reason is that i read that many people with High End systems have problems with grafics. 4th reason is that the game has to many Bugs and should be BETA. I hate beeing a paying beta tester. 5th reason it´s to expensive. 50$ + 15$ is to much for a game in Beta state. 35$ + 12$ would be fair. So thnx alot to all the people here posting about this game on this board.
You won't be missed at all "NOW GO PLAY WoW SINCE YOU CAN'T HACK A GAME REQUIRING SKILL"
Make sure your friends don't play either, we don't like your ilk!
It seems Vanguard has a bad community. Is it lot of players like this
You bet your butt. LOL. I remembered I was in a VG guild last summer. If I said anything about VG and how I'm worried about it. they would rip me to parts. And I was an active member on that guild too. Also, everyday in beta I would here "Go back to WoW" if someone said ANYTHING. Like, "the animations arn't that great." then they would tear that guy/girl apart. The community, like I've stated before, is no better than wow. in its own way. At least in WoW if I say something about the game in a negative sense, I don't get chewed out. This may be the everlasting impact of WoW on the MMORPG genre... It's created sucha large population of vehemently anti-WoW people that these people are willing to support a substandard product because it makes them feel more "elite". I suffer through poor/inferior animations, I suffer through bad spell effects, I suffer through broken quests, combat bugs, class imbalance, etc. And it all makes me that much more elite and hardcore than you WoW noobs... It the same argument as the "I had to walk 10 miles, up hill in a driving snow storm with a ten pound brick tied to my d!ck to get to school, but it made me tougher, meaner, more hardcore and elite than any of those noobs who rode the bus to school..." Settling for a substandard product does not mean that you're hardocre and awesome, it means you're stupid and self-delusional. Game developers who claim to cater to this niche market are doing so not because it's the right thing to do, but because it the easy out. Your game got funding woes? Development laggin behind the targeted release date? Well here's your miracle answer: claim to be hardcore anti-WoW fest modelled after EQ... and guess what... the people will still come, they will still buy, and they will tell themselves and others that they love it, simply because it is hyped as the anti-WoW, and to suffer is divine.
After readin all the postings and ratings here i came to the conclusion not to buy this game. Why not ?? 1st reason is that many people here complain about a huge grind fest. 2nd reason is that many people complain that after L15 the solo time is mostly over. 3rd reason is that i read that many people with High End systems have problems with grafics. 4th reason is that the game has to many Bugs and should be BETA. I hate beeing a paying beta tester. 5th reason it´s to expensive. 50$ + 15$ is to much for a game in Beta state. 35$ + 12$ would be fair. So thnx alot to all the people here posting about this game on this board.
Your loss, the game is a blast.
And it's not a grindfest if there's already a level 41.
You can solo all the way to the top, just like that level 41 sorcerer did. It's the quest content that requires mostly grouping after level 15.
I've got a mid range system and the graphics look amazing even on "Balanced".
Bugs have not stopped me from playing or enjoying the game, because they are few and far between and mostly just minor things.
It costs the same as any other MMORPG, and it's more complete and feature/content packed than most MMORPGs at this stage in their life.
So take what the haters on this forum say with a grain of salt, because half of them don't even play the game but just parrot what others have said as truth.
If you want a true opinion of what the game is like then go to a vanguard fan forum, full of people who actually play the game - Hanging out on this wasteland of WoW babies and rejects from other games is not going to give you an honest appraisal of Vanguard.
After readin all the postings and ratings here i came to the conclusion not to buy this game. Why not ?? 1st reason is that many people here complain about a huge grind fest. 2nd reason is that many people complain that after L15 the solo time is mostly over. 3rd reason is that i read that many people with High End systems have problems with grafics. 4th reason is that the game has to many Bugs and should be BETA. I hate beeing a paying beta tester. 5th reason it´s to expensive. 50$ + 15$ is to much for a game in Beta state. 35$ + 12$ would be fair. So thnx alot to all the people here posting about this game on this board.
You won't be missed at all "NOW GO PLAY WoW SINCE YOU CAN'T HACK A GAME REQUIRING SKILL"
Make sure your friends don't play either, we don't like your ilk!
It seems Vanguard has a bad community. Is it lot of players like this
You bet your butt. LOL. I remembered I was in a VG guild last summer. If I said anything about VG and how I'm worried about it. they would rip me to parts. And I was an active member on that guild too. Also, everyday in beta I would here "Go back to WoW" if someone said ANYTHING. Like, "the animations arn't that great." then they would tear that guy/girl apart. The community, like I've stated before, is no better than wow. in its own way. At least in WoW if I say something about the game in a negative sense, I don't get chewed out. This may be the everlasting impact of WoW on the MMORPG genre... It's created sucha large population of vehemently anti-WoW people that these people are willing to support a substandard product because it makes them feel more "elite". I suffer through poor/inferior animations, I suffer through bad spell effects, I suffer through broken quests, combat bugs, class imbalance, etc. And it all makes me that much more elite and hardcore than you WoW noobs... It the same argument as the "I had to walk 10 miles, up hill in a driving snow storm with a ten pound brick tied to my d!ck to get to school, but it made me tougher, meaner, more hardcore and elite than any of those noobs who rode the bus to school..." Settling for a substandard product does not mean that you're hardocre and awesome, it means you're stupid and self-delusional. Game developers who claim to cater to this niche market are doing so not because it's the right thing to do, but because it the easy out. Your game got funding woes? Development laggin behind the targeted release date? Well here's your miracle answer: claim to be hardcore anti-WoW fest modelled after EQ... and guess what... the people will still come, they will still buy, and they will tell themselves and others that they love it, simply because it is hyped as the anti-WoW, and to suffer is divine.
as much as I dislike VG:SoH.... don't listen to anything us MMORPG.com posters say we are all very stupid at times and very biased towards the games we love, and biased against the games we hate me probably more then anyone lol and don't listen to the big gaming sites like Gamespot and IGN and whatnot because where do you think they get a lot of their money?
only way to know is to try for yourself, unfortunately, you'll have to wait for a free trail of some kind to do that. but really, don't listen to our opinions. trust your instincts.
That are some wise words. I'm baffled and pick my own nose here.
After readin all the postings and ratings here i came to the conclusion not to buy this game. Why not ?? 1st reason is that many people here complain about a huge grind fest. 2nd reason is that many people complain that after L15 the solo time is mostly over. 3rd reason is that i read that many people with High End systems have problems with grafics. 4th reason is that the game has to many Bugs and should be BETA. I hate beeing a paying beta tester. 5th reason it´s to expensive. 50$ + 15$ is to much for a game in Beta state. 35$ + 12$ would be fair. So thnx alot to all the people here posting about this game on this board.
I have a bridge I can sell you if a posting online is all it takes to sway your opinion of something
Its a really beautiful bridge too, ill make a post telling you so...that way, you don’t need to see if for yourself before you buy
(j/k)
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Is there anything new or coming that makes me feel challenged & that first flush of being there? Is there an EPIC world to explore that feels like you choose where you go and what you do, rather than being lead down a linear levelling railroad? Do grouping dynamics and combat reward tactical play and have some depth of skill to them? Does it live upto the multiplayer part of MMO and not seperate everyone into little instanced boxes away from each other, hindering community building? Does it add to that"you're there" factor that exploring islands on a boat & vast continents on a flying mount & owning your own houses that properly exists in the world? Does it have a good player crafter economy, or is crafting simply a fluff sideline? Does it have epic quest lines & dungeon crawls & boss encounters that really feel hard and perilous and an achievement to complete?
Vanguard delivers on all those fronts for me, the rest of the stuff, well after a decade playing MMO's I can accept some release bugs, & I can turn a few graphical bells n whistles down, & will turn them back up in the future when I get newer hardware.
The issue I have with companies like Sigil knowingly releasing an unfinished buggy product is that they still want the full box price and subscription amount. If companies like Sigil were in any way ethical the least they should do is offer a reduced subscription amount for people who adopt the game early and live through the bug/gameplay fixes and performance issues until the game is in anacceptable state.
Sure sigil/SOE (or anyone else for that matter) wouldn't be making as much money early days, but they would be seen to be ethical and gain goodwill via the process, which would likely result in more players staying with the game that would if they didn't acknowledge the issues.
It seems like its about short term corporate greed rather than a long term revenue stream with a LOT of game companies now, I'm not much into regulation of things by government, but the continual delivery of less than complete games with poor to none support suggests to me that the FTC or some other body should be siting in oversite on the whole computer gaming industry to at least try and make sure customers get what they pay for and their legitimate concerns and complaints are dealt with properly.
Is there anything new or coming that makes me feel challenged & that first flush of being there? Is there an EPIC world to explore that feels like you choose where you go and what you do, rather than being lead down a linear levelling railroad? Do grouping dynamics and combat reward tactical play and have some depth of skill to them? Does it live upto the multiplayer part of MMO and not seperate everyone into little instanced boxes away from each other, hindering community building? Does it add to that"you're there" factor that exploring islands on a boat & vast continents on a flying mount & owning your own houses that properly exists in the world? Does it have a good player crafter economy, or is crafting simply a fluff sideline? Does it have epic quest lines & dungeon crawls & boss encounters that really feel hard and perilous and an achievement to complete?
Vanguard delivers on all those fronts for me, the rest of the stuff, well after a decade playing MMO's I can accept some release bugs, & I can turn a few graphical bells n whistles down, & will turn them back up in the future when I get newer hardware.
The issue I have with companies like Sigil knowingly releasing an unfinished buggy product is that they still want the full box price and subscription amount. If companies like Sigil were in any way ethical the least they should do is offer a reduced subscription amount for people who adopt the game early and live through the bug/gameplay fixes and performance issues until the game is in anacceptable state.
Sure sigil/SOE (or anyone else for that matter) wouldn't be making as much money early days, but they would be seen to be ethical and gain goodwill via the process, which would likely result in more players staying with the game that would if they didn't acknowledge the issues.
It seems like its about short term corporate greed rather than a long term revenue stream with a LOT of game companies now, I'm not much into regulation of things by government, but the continual delivery of less than complete games with poor to none support suggests to me that the FTC or some other body should be siting in oversite on the whole computer gaming industry to at least try and make sure customers get what they pay for and their legitimate concerns and complaints are dealt with properly.
is this the parsifal I know and love from Dalaran? can't be that common of a name.
I guess if a forum agrees that jumping off a bridge is the right way to go, you will do that too right?
dude, try things for yourself.
You can solo all the way to 50, you just wont get great gear. There is no grind if you do quests. Quests give way more exp than grinding if you prefer it. There is... you know what, I am not even gonna waste my time telling you what an awesome experience you are missing just cause you let other people think for you. I guess I am glad you arn't in this game, people like you is what a community does not need.
Classic Vanboi response. Ignore logic. Saying you should try any piece of crap out there yourself and not research it is like buying a car without researching it. If the car isn't right for you why should you buy. Same goes for any product including games and especially mmos since too many developers believe in release now and fix later. The OP shows intelligence for researching the product before buying and not putting blind faith in a lot of broken dev promises.
Getting information froma site where 3/4 of the people play one game, will always get you a biased opinion. The op shows a lack of intelligence by nt looking at what the game has to offer for himself, and just following the herd untill a game is hyped enough to buy it. As for your car example, did you at least test drive the car? Same for Vg, a buddy pass perhaps s he can try, or just buying the game gets you a month free. Its been said over and over again, if you cant afford 50$ on a game, you need a cheaper hobby, or a better job.
Do you have ANY idea how many great movies I would have missed if I always listened to ebert and reoper? Or Entertainment tonight? No one, and I mean NO ONE has the SAME tastes as you. We are all unique, and have to try thigns for ourselves, or we will kick ourselves later for not trying something that might have given us grat pleasure, if only for a little while.
Weak. Nice way to make a personal attack on him. Telling him to get a better job or new hobby? If you love the game so much, and want other people to experience it, why not buy the game for him? Obviously with YOUR job you have the cash throw around.
I think the OP did the right thing in avoiding this game and not spending his $50 if...
1) He went to other forums and formed his opinions there as well.
2) He read reviews BOTH positive and negative.
3) He compared his system specs to others that had the same specs and decided his system had poor performance.
After all those things were done and your still interested OP...don't buy the game. Get a buddy key or wait for the free trial. I have a feeling that once the free month is over Sigil will be coming out with a free trial pretty darn fast.
However...to all the people saying "He should pony up the $50 and make up his own mind". That's idiotic and it might be money down the drain. I, for one, don't like throwing my money away.
And movie reviews...I'm sorry, it's not the same thing. If you go to a movie and spend your money and then can't see the movie because the projector is broken you get your money back or a credit to see another movie.
I also made the decision not to buy this game based on all of the above. Another indication of a train wreck in progress is the absence of any official forums. Remember when SOE shut down their SW:G forums to any outside readers? Remember when SOE shut down the Everquest forums? All because they didn't want people to know about the bad publicity and the rotten ways that the customers were dealt with. I don't see Brad doing anything different here. If I smell a rat...I don't need to have it run up my pants legs to see if it really IS a rat.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
Everyone keeps telling the OP to try it for himself..without buying it how is he supposed to? Unless i missed it there is no free trial of VG and probably won't be until they fix it to a point where it gives a good first impression. Everyone admits the game was rushed out this isnt opinion just fact. Even if there was the Op couldn't win because all of you people that are bashing him still would. The reasons he gave for not buying it are legit in his eyes and to be honest some of them are just plain fact. Insulting him for making a choice and posting it seems a little foolsih and close minded. Why is it when ever anyone posts anything even slightly negative about this game it is trolling? The OP wasn't being a dick or insulting people. Now he could add another reason to his list of why not to buy this game...the community that has bashed him for no damn reason.
Everyone keeps telling the OP to try it for himself..without buying it how is he supposed to? Unless i missed it there is no free trial of VG and probably won't be until they fix it to a point where it gives a good first impression. Everyone admits the game was rushed out this isnt opinion just fact. Even if there was the Op couldn't win because all of you people that are bashing him still would. The reasons he gave for not buying it are legit in his eyes and to be honest some of them are just plain fact. Insulting him for making a choice and posting it seems a little foolsih and close minded. Why is it when ever anyone posts anything even slightly negative about this game it is trolling? The OP wasn't being a dick or insulting people. Now he could add another reason to his list of why not to buy this game...the community that has bashed him for no damn reason.
Buddy keys.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Im in the same boat. I decided not to buy it based on what former fans say about it. Supposedly the gameplay, despite graphical or other errors, gets boring after month because of the oversized underpopulated world. The traveling reminds me of ffxi. 15 minutes on a chocobo and a disgusting amount of money spent, or 3 hours of running and corpse retrieval. It's not the same comparison but in a way it is. The game ultimately isnt fun. The game becomes stressfull and overly time consuming. Most people here are former WoW'ers who loved the game and hated it, probably equally. FFXI was a love hate relationship but the hate superceded the love by far. It had phenomenal combat and graphics but everything else was absolutely terrible. I.E. 6 hour LFG times and 80% japanese servers. DDO was all around terrible. DAOC became terrible in time. EQ was fun as hell for awhile but then WoW came out and blew it out of the water. VG seems like another MMO that will be quazi-popular and have a small but loyal fanbase and in time kind of just dissappear. Like ffxi where the game + all expansions are 20 bucks and monthly fee is 10. No one buys it anymore because it takes 9 and a half years of play time to level up and its just a group grind. If you dont have friends irl who arent 75 you can forget about getting above level 45. Graphics and combat arent enough to keep people like FFXI showed. You have to have a world thats not intimidating, and fits the population, like wow. VG just doesnt seem like itll keep people. In time, like EQ, itll pass as being epic and fun but not worth putting play time into. Everyone is hoping that Warhammer online is gonna be the next wow as far as playability and popularity go, even though people think wow is childish, they wont deny they had 2 or 3 level 60's and full tier 1 at some point.
Never take life too seriously youre never gonna make it out alive.
I guess if a forum agrees that jumping off a bridge is the right way to go, you will do that too right?
dude, try things for yourself.
You can solo all the way to 50, you just wont get great gear. There is no grind if you do quests. Quests give way more exp than grinding if you prefer it. There is... you know what, I am not even gonna waste my time telling you what an awesome experience you are missing just cause you let other people think for you. I guess I am glad you arn't in this game, people like you is what a community does not need.
If you can solo to 50 in VG, then you can solo to max in any game. The question is: is it worth it and do you get reasonable progression? The answer is no. You will have to group. To some, that's a good idea. To others, it's a terrible idea.
Again, grinding is relative. It's just a matter of how much time and patience the player has.
Quite frankly, I think the VG community will fare better without players like you. The guy made a decision by collecting feedback. Sure this particular forum has more negative reviews than positive, but certainly he can filter out what's trolling and what's reasonable. My general feeling of the VG community is, it seemed to have collected a large group of judgemental and intolerate players. Not all are like that but there's definitely a group that gives the community that "elitist" feeling.
"Grinding is relative..." to what? Let's face it, no matter what spin you want to put on it Vanguard is a grind, a huge grind. It's even worse simply because there are so few people around to group with and those that are left are either already with guildmates or just diehards.
As for the community faring better, that's exactly what killed this game before it got started, the "my way or the highway attitude". Vanguard was essentially a great game in concept and had a "vision" that didn't isolate it into this self destructing box it's in now. That was until the "community" got ahold of it. All of the so called "hardcore" players who cried wolf when anyone suggested ANYTHING that made the game more user friendly or, well, fun. Guess what, you got what you want. And when in a few months from now you see 20 other people in your zone at 50 come back and tell us how the community and game is better off without us.
After readin all the postings and ratings here i came to the conclusion not to buy this game. Why not ?? 1st reason is that many people here complain about a huge grind fest. 2nd reason is that many people complain that after L15 the solo time is mostly over. 3rd reason is that i read that many people with High End systems have problems with grafics. 4th reason is that the game has to many Bugs and should be BETA. I hate beeing a paying beta tester. 5th reason it´s to expensive. 50$ + 15$ is to much for a game in Beta state. 35$ + 12$ would be fair. So thnx alot to all the people here posting about this game on this board.
I suspect Vanguard will be better off without you. I base this on your inability to form a complete sentence. You are making a statement the entire world can see. It would be wise to at least TRY to use some proper grammer and at least one complete sentence if you wish to be taken seriously by anyone that matters.
Yet another fine example of what I suspect is the American government school system at work. Please take note that I too am a victim of these horrible institutions of learning. I use the term " learning" in the most general of ways. I say this to thwart any comments that may indicate that I am a snobby European. This is not the case. I am a snobby American.
You shouldn't rely on the forum voices as they tend to be biased. Wait for a free trial and play the game yourself. Then look at the posts in the forums and decide if they are believable. Especially here on mmorpg.com you will get a very distorted view on games (fanboys + unrealistic haters). The only exception would be when all posters have the same opinion about a game ("Do not buy, crap award of the year") and even then you should be careful.
As for Vanguard: I think its a game you either like or hate. Everyone will have different points for playing it. Some like the graphics and massive grinding, others like the huge world while some hate the huge world because of it all being the same.
I myself played a char to lvl 11, forced myself to start a secnd character and left at lvl 2. I was simply bored to death. Diplomacy is too easy (Once you understoand the rules you win 95% of the time), harvesting takes too long (skin faster please....hurrrrryyy) and the crafting system is not that good (time sink + repetetive).
--- Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
After readin all the postings and ratings here i came to the conclusion not to buy this game. Why not ?? 1st reason is that many people here complain about a huge grind fest. 2nd reason is that many people complain that after L15 the solo time is mostly over. 3rd reason is that i read that many people with High End systems have problems with grafics. 4th reason is that the game has to many Bugs and should be BETA. I hate beeing a paying beta tester. 5th reason it´s to expensive. 50$ + 15$ is to much for a game in Beta state. 35$ + 12$ would be fair. So thnx alot to all the people here posting about this game on this board.
I suspect Vanguard will be better off without you. I base this on your inability to form a complete sentence. You are making a statement the entire world can see. It would be wise to at least TRY to use some proper grammer and at least one complete sentence if you wish to be taken seriously by anyone that matters.
Yet another fine example of what I suspect is the American government school system at work. Please take note that I too am a victim of these horrible institutions of learning. I use the term " learning" in the most general of ways. I say this to thwart any comments that may indicate that I am a snobby European. This is not the case. I am a snobby American.
English isn't everyone's first language, as I'm suspecting is the case with this OP since they are listed as being from Germany.
On the other hand, I'm sure everyone is REALLY impressed that you can take the five seconds to insult someone but not the ten seconds it takes to see where they are from before jumping down their throats on grammar (of all laughable things to insult on an international forum on.)
Seriously, why make fun of him not taking the time to proof-read when you didn't take the time to read in the first place.
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You won't be missed at all "NOW GO PLAY WoW SINCE YOU CAN'T HACK A GAME REQUIRING SKILL"
Make sure your friends don't play either, we don't like your ilk!
It seems Vanguard has a bad community. Is it lot of players like this
You won't be missed at all "NOW GO PLAY WoW SINCE YOU CAN'T HACK A GAME REQUIRING SKILL"
Make sure your friends don't play either, we don't like your ilk!
It seems Vanguard has a bad community. Is it lot of players like this
You bet your butt. LOL. I remembered I was in a VG guild last summer. If I said anything about VG and how I'm worried about it. they would rip me to parts. And I was an active member on that guild too. Also, everyday in beta I would here "Go back to WoW" if someone said ANYTHING. Like, "the animations arn't that great." then they would tear that guy/girl apart. The community, like I've stated before, is no better than wow. in its own way. At least in WoW if I say something about the game in a negative sense, I don't get chewed out.Total time played: 9125 Days, 21 Hours, 29 Minutes, 27 Seconds
Time played this level: 39 Days, 1 Hour, 24 Minutes, 5 Seconds
Classic Vanboi response. Ignore logic. Saying you should try any piece of crap out there yourself and not research it is like buying a car without researching it. If the car isn't right for you why should you buy. Same goes for any product including games and especially mmos since too many developers believe in release now and fix later. The OP shows intelligence for researching the product before buying and not putting blind faith in a lot of broken dev promises.
Classic Vanboi response. Ignore logic. Saying you should try any piece of crap out there yourself and not research it is like buying a car without researching it.
Coming here is the worst place to research things ... yuck ... nothing but criers and babble all day. everything here should be taken with a grain of salt. ....so with that in mind i would go see the car, test drive the car...i am not going to base me buying the car on some morons opinion of it on the web. Got to touch it, feel it, see it.
If the car isn't right for you why should you buy. Same goes for any product including games and especially mmos since too many developers believe in release now and fix later. The OP shows intelligence for researching the product before buying and not putting blind faith in a lot of broken dev promises.
its why they have free trials..get on look around for yourself ... so you can see for yourself. Im been in a few betas and with that knowledge made my determination based on professional reviews...
Classic Vanboi response. Ignore logic. Saying you should try any piece of crap out there yourself and not research it is like buying a car without researching it. If the car isn't right for you why should you buy. Same goes for any product including games and especially mmos since too many developers believe in release now and fix later. The OP shows intelligence for researching the product before buying and not putting blind faith in a lot of broken dev promises.
Getting information froma site where 3/4 of the people play one game, will always get you a biased opinion. The op shows a lack of intelligence by nt looking at what the game has to offer for himself, and just following the herd untill a game is hyped enough to buy it. As for your car example, did you at least test drive the car? Same for Vg, a buddy pass perhaps s he can try, or just buying the game gets you a month free. Its been said over and over again, if you cant afford 50$ on a game, you need a cheaper hobby, or a better job.
Do you have ANY idea how many great movies I would have missed if I always listened to ebert and reoper? Or Entertainment tonight? No one, and I mean NO ONE has the SAME tastes as you. We are all unique, and have to try thigns for ourselves, or we will kick ourselves later for not trying something that might have given us grat pleasure, if only for a little while.
To the underlined part: I agree...
To the bold part: he might have played it, but he wouldn't have enjoyed it!
The only Vanguard fans are old fat EQers, people who are burnt out on EQ2 and want more of THE EXACT SAME, and people who think anything that isn't WoW is god.
Ok...I played eq1 and im not fat ... nor old ... though i dont know what you mean by old ... I still play eq2 so im not entirelly burnt out ... Vanguard is not the same as eq2 .... I do think that anything that isnt WOW is god ... or a demi god at least.
You won't be missed at all "NOW GO PLAY WoW SINCE YOU CAN'T HACK A GAME REQUIRING SKILL"
Make sure your friends don't play either, we don't like your ilk!
It seems Vanguard has a bad community. Is it lot of players like this
You bet your butt. LOL. I remembered I was in a VG guild last summer. If I said anything about VG and how I'm worried about it. they would rip me to parts. And I was an active member on that guild too. Also, everyday in beta I would here "Go back to WoW" if someone said ANYTHING. Like, "the animations arn't that great." then they would tear that guy/girl apart. The community, like I've stated before, is no better than wow. in its own way. At least in WoW if I say something about the game in a negative sense, I don't get chewed out. This may be the everlasting impact of WoW on the MMORPG genre... It's created sucha large population of vehemently anti-WoW people that these people are willing to support a substandard product because it makes them feel more "elite". I suffer through poor/inferior animations, I suffer through bad spell effects, I suffer through broken quests, combat bugs, class imbalance, etc. And it all makes me that much more elite and hardcore than you WoW noobs... It the same argument as the "I had to walk 10 miles, up hill in a driving snow storm with a ten pound brick tied to my d!ck to get to school, but it made me tougher, meaner, more hardcore and elite than any of those noobs who rode the bus to school..." Settling for a substandard product does not mean that you're hardocre and awesome, it means you're stupid and self-delusional. Game developers who claim to cater to this niche market are doing so not because it's the right thing to do, but because it the easy out. Your game got funding woes? Development laggin behind the targeted release date? Well here's your miracle answer: claim to be hardcore anti-WoW fest modelled after EQ... and guess what... the people will still come, they will still buy, and they will tell themselves and others that they love it, simply because it is hyped as the anti-WoW, and to suffer is divine.That is how WoW is affecting the market.
And it's not a grindfest if there's already a level 41.
You can solo all the way to the top, just like that level 41 sorcerer did. It's the quest content that requires mostly grouping after level 15.
I've got a mid range system and the graphics look amazing even on "Balanced".
Bugs have not stopped me from playing or enjoying the game, because they are few and far between and mostly just minor things.
It costs the same as any other MMORPG, and it's more complete and feature/content packed than most MMORPGs at this stage in their life.
So take what the haters on this forum say with a grain of salt, because half of them don't even play the game but just parrot what others have said as truth.
If you want a true opinion of what the game is like then go to a vanguard fan forum, full of people who actually play the game - Hanging out on this wasteland of WoW babies and rejects from other games is not going to give you an honest appraisal of Vanguard.
You won't be missed at all "NOW GO PLAY WoW SINCE YOU CAN'T HACK A GAME REQUIRING SKILL"
Make sure your friends don't play either, we don't like your ilk!
It seems Vanguard has a bad community. Is it lot of players like this
You bet your butt. LOL. I remembered I was in a VG guild last summer. If I said anything about VG and how I'm worried about it. they would rip me to parts. And I was an active member on that guild too. Also, everyday in beta I would here "Go back to WoW" if someone said ANYTHING. Like, "the animations arn't that great." then they would tear that guy/girl apart. The community, like I've stated before, is no better than wow. in its own way. At least in WoW if I say something about the game in a negative sense, I don't get chewed out. This may be the everlasting impact of WoW on the MMORPG genre... It's created sucha large population of vehemently anti-WoW people that these people are willing to support a substandard product because it makes them feel more "elite". I suffer through poor/inferior animations, I suffer through bad spell effects, I suffer through broken quests, combat bugs, class imbalance, etc. And it all makes me that much more elite and hardcore than you WoW noobs... It the same argument as the "I had to walk 10 miles, up hill in a driving snow storm with a ten pound brick tied to my d!ck to get to school, but it made me tougher, meaner, more hardcore and elite than any of those noobs who rode the bus to school..." Settling for a substandard product does not mean that you're hardocre and awesome, it means you're stupid and self-delusional. Game developers who claim to cater to this niche market are doing so not because it's the right thing to do, but because it the easy out. Your game got funding woes? Development laggin behind the targeted release date? Well here's your miracle answer: claim to be hardcore anti-WoW fest modelled after EQ... and guess what... the people will still come, they will still buy, and they will tell themselves and others that they love it, simply because it is hyped as the anti-WoW, and to suffer is divine.That is how WoW is affecting the market.
See? See what responded to troll bait does?
as much as I dislike VG:SoH....
don't listen to anything us MMORPG.com posters say
we are all very stupid at times and very biased towards the games we love, and biased against the games we hate
me probably more then anyone lol
and don't listen to the big gaming sites like Gamespot and IGN and whatnot because where do you think they get a lot of their money?
only way to know is to try for yourself, unfortunately, you'll have to wait for a free trail of some kind to do that.
but really, don't listen to our opinions. trust your instincts.
I have a bridge I can sell you if a posting online is all it takes to sway your opinion of something
Its a really beautiful bridge too, ill make a post telling you so...that way, you don’t need to see if for yourself before you buy
(j/k)
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Sure sigil/SOE (or anyone else for that matter) wouldn't be making as much money early days, but they would be seen to be ethical and gain goodwill via the process, which would likely result in more players staying with the game that would if they didn't acknowledge the issues.
It seems like its about short term corporate greed rather than a long term revenue stream with a LOT of game companies now, I'm not much into regulation of things by government, but the continual delivery of less than complete games with poor to none support suggests to me that the FTC or some other body should be siting in oversite on the whole computer gaming industry to at least try and make sure customers get what they pay for and their legitimate concerns and complaints are dealt with properly.
Sure sigil/SOE (or anyone else for that matter) wouldn't be making as much money early days, but they would be seen to be ethical and gain goodwill via the process, which would likely result in more players staying with the game that would if they didn't acknowledge the issues.
It seems like its about short term corporate greed rather than a long term revenue stream with a LOT of game companies now, I'm not much into regulation of things by government, but the continual delivery of less than complete games with poor to none support suggests to me that the FTC or some other body should be siting in oversite on the whole computer gaming industry to at least try and make sure customers get what they pay for and their legitimate concerns and complaints are dealt with properly.
is this the parsifal I know and love from Dalaran? can't be that common of a name.
it's Kaedin
Classic Vanboi response. Ignore logic. Saying you should try any piece of crap out there yourself and not research it is like buying a car without researching it. If the car isn't right for you why should you buy. Same goes for any product including games and especially mmos since too many developers believe in release now and fix later. The OP shows intelligence for researching the product before buying and not putting blind faith in a lot of broken dev promises.
Getting information froma site where 3/4 of the people play one game, will always get you a biased opinion. The op shows a lack of intelligence by nt looking at what the game has to offer for himself, and just following the herd untill a game is hyped enough to buy it. As for your car example, did you at least test drive the car? Same for Vg, a buddy pass perhaps s he can try, or just buying the game gets you a month free. Its been said over and over again, if you cant afford 50$ on a game, you need a cheaper hobby, or a better job.
Do you have ANY idea how many great movies I would have missed if I always listened to ebert and reoper? Or Entertainment tonight? No one, and I mean NO ONE has the SAME tastes as you. We are all unique, and have to try thigns for ourselves, or we will kick ourselves later for not trying something that might have given us grat pleasure, if only for a little while.
Weak. Nice way to make a personal attack on him. Telling him to get a better job or new hobby? If you love the game so much, and want other people to experience it, why not buy the game for him? Obviously with YOUR job you have the cash throw around.I think the OP did the right thing in avoiding this game and not spending his $50 if...
1) He went to other forums and formed his opinions there as well.
2) He read reviews BOTH positive and negative.
3) He compared his system specs to others that had the same specs and decided his system had poor performance.
After all those things were done and your still interested OP...don't buy the game. Get a buddy key or wait for the free trial. I have a feeling that once the free month is over Sigil will be coming out with a free trial pretty darn fast.
However...to all the people saying "He should pony up the $50 and make up his own mind". That's idiotic and it might be money down the drain. I, for one, don't like throwing my money away.
And movie reviews...I'm sorry, it's not the same thing. If you go to a movie and spend your money and then can't see the movie because the projector is broken you get your money back or a credit to see another movie.
I also made the decision not to buy this game based on all of the above. Another indication of a train wreck in progress is the absence of any official forums. Remember when SOE shut down their SW:G forums to any outside readers? Remember when SOE shut down the Everquest forums? All because they didn't want people to know about the bad publicity and the rotten ways that the customers were dealt with. I don't see Brad doing anything different here. If I smell a rat...I don't need to have it run up my pants legs to see if it really IS a rat.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
You have one for him?
Never take life too seriously youre never gonna make it out alive.
Again, grinding is relative. It's just a matter of how much time and patience the player has.
Quite frankly, I think the VG community will fare better without players like you. The guy made a decision by collecting feedback. Sure this particular forum has more negative reviews than positive, but certainly he can filter out what's trolling and what's reasonable. My general feeling of the VG community is, it seemed to have collected a large group of judgemental and intolerate players. Not all are like that but there's definitely a group that gives the community that "elitist" feeling.
"Grinding is relative..." to what? Let's face it, no matter what spin you want to put on it Vanguard is a grind, a huge grind. It's even worse simply because there are so few people around to group with and those that are left are either already with guildmates or just diehards.
As for the community faring better, that's exactly what killed this game before it got started, the "my way or the highway attitude". Vanguard was essentially a great game in concept and had a "vision" that didn't isolate it into this self destructing box it's in now. That was until the "community" got ahold of it. All of the so called "hardcore" players who cried wolf when anyone suggested ANYTHING that made the game more user friendly or, well, fun. Guess what, you got what you want. And when in a few months from now you see 20 other people in your zone at 50 come back and tell us how the community and game is better off without us.
I suspect Vanguard will be better off without you. I base this on your inability to form a complete sentence. You are making a statement the entire world can see. It would be wise to at least TRY to use some proper grammer and at least one complete sentence if you wish to be taken seriously by anyone that matters.
Yet another fine example of what I suspect is the American government school system at work. Please take note that I too am a victim of these horrible institutions of learning. I use the term " learning" in the most general of ways. I say this to thwart any comments that may indicate that I am a snobby European. This is not the case. I am a snobby American.
As for Vanguard: I think its a game you either like or hate. Everyone will have different points for playing it. Some like the graphics and massive grinding, others like the huge world while some hate the huge world because of it all being the same.
I myself played a char to lvl 11, forced myself to start a secnd character and left at lvl 2. I was simply bored to death. Diplomacy is too easy (Once you understoand the rules you win 95% of the time), harvesting takes too long (skin faster please....hurrrrryyy) and the crafting system is not that good (time sink + repetetive).
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Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I suspect Vanguard will be better off without you. I base this on your inability to form a complete sentence. You are making a statement the entire world can see. It would be wise to at least TRY to use some proper grammer and at least one complete sentence if you wish to be taken seriously by anyone that matters.
Yet another fine example of what I suspect is the American government school system at work. Please take note that I too am a victim of these horrible institutions of learning. I use the term " learning" in the most general of ways. I say this to thwart any comments that may indicate that I am a snobby European. This is not the case. I am a snobby American.
English isn't everyone's first language, as I'm suspecting is the case with this OP since they are listed as being from Germany.
On the other hand, I'm sure everyone is REALLY impressed that you can take the five seconds to insult someone but not the ten seconds it takes to see where they are from before jumping down their throats on grammar (of all laughable things to insult on an international forum on.)
Seriously, why make fun of him not taking the time to proof-read when you didn't take the time to read in the first place.