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I'm not at all impressed wtih Vanguard. Graphics were as could be expected after they have been tooting their own horn about it for months.
It was released far too earlty with too many bugs and with too little class balance.
Also they clearly neglected to have a plan for game progression. Its just too easy to get to maximum level, without ever stopping to enjoy the game.
Not that there was much to enjoy, Broken quests/NPCs, classes getting nerfed and changed, and random bugs forcing relogs.
Double XP weekend.. Big woop.. Was easy enough already. Would rather have been able to actually complete the infinium quest line.
Player housing... Junk. There is absolutly no point in having this.. Its only fluff.. Should not have been in at launch, if ever.
Player Crafting. More Junk. whats the point of player crafting when there is no continous market. You only need 1 Superior Breastplate of the Brute, Ever.
Diplomacy, was fun for maybe a day, Again no actual point of this. Allright you have the city buffs, but those are buffs that arent really needed for anything.. Sure they have an effect but its not something you would cry about if they werent there.
Overall I think the progression is too fast for a PvE focused game.
And as far as PvP goes, there is no point to it, besides senseless ganking. No victory conditions, no advantages, nothing to fight over. So its all a big killing frenzy, that leaves many classes out of the running.
To summarize: This game was not ready for release.. Not even close. None of you all should be paying to play it, as its in dire need of more beta testing, balancing and development.
Graphics 7/10
Gameplay 5/10
Content 3/10
Overall Score 5/10
The game is at best mediocre, and I doubt many will be playing it 6 months from now, unless they actually get to the stage of development that it should have been launched at. and then reset the servers.
Comments
Just gonna prepare you here.. Lets see:
Go back to WoW
Your computer sucks.
You are a clueless hater.
No problems on my computer, you dont know what you talk about,
You have not played X hours
You have not made X level.
You do not know games, only those that like Vanguard know games.
You hate SOE
You are biased.
You work for WoW
You probably have a typo or grammatical error somewhere, which means... you dont know anything about games.
I think I covered all of it. Now they can start, you are officialy prepared.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
lol, I don't think people still care hehe
But that's what happens all the time.
I'm really hoping that the big patch today fixes more than it breaks. I have already unsubscribed to the game, and my subscription ran out last night. I'm waiting to hear reviews post patch to decide whether or not to give them money for another month. So far, I've been less than impressed with their game fixes in previous patches (still crash often, disappearing mob bug is still there -- just not as frequent, white graphics, chunking, etc, etc). Let's see what happens today.
P.S. And I wish they'd fix that darned bug that changes the way my character looks all the time. Yesterday, I logged in one last time and found that my little blonde half elf now had white hair, a huge forehead, and big ears sticking out. WTH? Yes, I did have the sense to save my template and just reload it, but jeez... I've fought with this little bug for weeks now (right after the first patch).
No worries, this is probably about the 100th post stating exactly the same as the first one so I think we've gotten used to it.
Just wanted to comment on all those think there 'was no point' to do. MMORPG's is basically no point doing, you waste hundreds of hours to ultimately switch game or stop playing, it's only a way to spend time (and maybe even enjoy).
I hoped that too, but I got sick of crashes and bugs. I already cancelled also. I really don't know how they could have the money to fix much, I don't see any GM's, they have no official forums etc..all the cover the costs atm.
VG is a financial disaster atm, it didn't sell like it should. So I'm not going to wait for better support and bug fixes, I honestly don't think the situation can improve from now on.
It's not only bugs, crashes, chunk crashes etc, but also just a too boring game for me, they can't fix that with just a patch.
your assesment is sorta accurate ,but kinda false also because even if i agee with your numbers,the game is still better than WOW on every front.Too many noob gamer still think WOW is good and has alot of accounts to prove it.So if nobody should play this game then for sure no one should play WOW or many others i can think of.
I do know what i am looking at when i look at graphics and can tell you,VANGUARDS are equal to or the best out there.Best is a casual word as perhaps the most demanding graphics out there.So giving graphics a 7/10 is fair IMO because ALL games can reach higher and more is yet to come.Howerver then all other games are a 6/10 or less,so perhaps if judging based off other games it really should be a 10/10.
Yes i agree there is a lot of bugs that seem to never go away.I played alot of gametime in EQ2 and can tell you this game has the over all buggy feel of eq2 on a 100% level.No doubt in my mind whatsoever ,this game was eq2 content never used ,redone and beefed up with directx9 ability.Although there is alot of bugs ,they are for the most part small and never repeating.Yes it is annoying to have to logoff to get a diplomacy card to work properly or a quest to work properly,but it never seems to be that occurent to drive me insane lol.
GAME PROGRESSION?wow you hit the nail on coffin here.Problem is i'm not sure what you mean by progression?To me progression is a game that never ends,by adding more and more content and updating the max level.This is how 100% of the games progress ,and i can't see anything being different here whatsoever.So this being a fact or even the truth really shouldn't be a complaint because this is the same progression EVERY game makes.I play FFXI and the storyline seems to kind of flow throughout and forever,but in reality they kinda add a new storyline as game progresses and try to tie it all in together.
Diplomacy can have it's place for some gamers and for some it's to much a new idea that there not into or can't grasp.No biggie really nothing you have to worry about if you don't like it.PLayer housing? well ya duh,this is just a gimmick like having a mount or PVP is to draw in that extra crowd/accounts.It does sorta add a flare of realism to the game that really should be accepted and not flamed.PVP?ya again duh,it never has a point except as once again a >>>gimmick to draw in more accounts.PVP alone would take years to plan around the whole game world and to also make it well balanced or unbalanced also as long as no one class/job rules over all.Everything in the game has to be worked around PVP such as world meshes playing a defensive/offensive factor.Weather/climate playing a factor/night/day.How far spells can reach depending on these factors.There is just too many things that need to be worked into a game world for PVP to ever be done well.
Overall i can't really argue about an average asesment because that's the same way i feel about 99% of the games out there.FFXI still has w/o a doubt the best battle system but this game follows along the same lines as all other modern day battle systems go.I think the only score i can really say isn't fair is content.No matter how buggy or if you don't even like some of the content ,there is a fair amount of choice.almost as much as any other game cept maybe EQ2,so if 3/10 is to be accpeted then all other games are a 2/10?nah not a fair score,if basing that score as compared to other games then it should be at least a 7/10,with eq2 being the 10/10.WOW would be in the 6/10 range just to make a fair comparison.
RFLMAO to stick with the DIPLOMACY theme as in vanguard >>>that is my diplomatic rebuttle .
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Well about your comment about WoW. I can only respond with:
Crashing to your desktop every 10 minutes is less fun than anything I've done in WoW.
That kinda sums up VG atm.
I would have to agree, obviously I don't you've played that much into the game/have no friends ingame/don't like everquest/hate sigil games or whatever it may be, give the game some time to develop.
Cosmetics are a nice feature in games, gives a sense of role play or whatever you want to categorize it in, oviously never played SWG/EQ2, and why limit the features? it may not play any relevant sense to you, but it may to other players, and It does not affect you in anyway, so why whine about it? (obviously some WoW lover).
Likewise as I posted, you obviously didn't achieve anything ingame apart from this non-sense whining, crafting is a very useful tool ingame until better looted items are achieved.
Vanbois are a scary lot. They are willing to play a buggy, half made game and lie to everyone when they say they enjoy it. They are willing to play through boring content, lackluster class design, and are able to convince themselves that they are having a good time.
Now, if they would just be willing to jump in front of a bus, we could stop hearing about this crap-fest of a MMO.
And before the Vanbois dole out their normal "You don't know anything about games, go back WoW". I played Vanguard from Beta2 and into a month of release. I wanted to enjoy this game...it's just impossible. Everything about it bad or boring, and the community is the worst I've seen in a MMO.
Though you are entitled to your opinion ...you're review was very vague. I seems to me that as your first post on these boards that you are simply some Vanguard hater trolling these boards in attempts to get Vanguard players riled up. I doubt anyone that matters will take this post seriously.
Graphics 9/10
Gameplay 8/10
content 9/10
overall score 9/10
This score comes from one greatly enjoying his time in the world of Telon ...having lots of fun in Vanguard..The game that sucks less than the rest !
Double xp weekend was ok I would have been playing regardless, player housing is something that many people love in MMO's, myself included. It was one of the defining features of the old SWG, you could place your house in the world, not a instance or special zone but the actual world, I always felt like it added a level of immersion to the games that have done it right.
Crafting is well done imo, granted things don't degrade away to nothing such as SWG but crafted items are actually as good if not better than looted which is the way it should be done. I'm not sure what could be changed in that respect other than have things degrade away to nothing, but I can't think of many mmo's that do that, its not just Vanguard that allows repairs on items.
Complaining about broken quest, and class tweaking in the first month a game exist is splitting hairs, every game has a period where classes are nerfed to bring them in line with the other classes, without such changes there will be no equality in regards to the classes.
As far as PVP goes, Vanguard is primarily a pve game, the fact that their is a rvr and a ffa server is gravy for those that want to take advantage but the game was mainly designed with pve in mind and that isn't gonna change. If you want a game that revolves around pvp you probably chose the wrong game.
Saying the game is to easy to get to maximum lvl is a joke, you either A. haven't actually played it or B. simply wanna bash it for the sake of bashing. Honestly what game do you think has a acceptable grind? Maybe Lineage 2 would be more your style or one of the many Korean grinders.
Graphics are system dependent, I run the game on high quality and I think its absolutely gorgeous, even on balanced settings its a nice looking game but regardless if that style of graphics aren't for you pick any number of games out there with opposing styles of graphics.
Actually knowing this is a alt account, not sure why I bothered responding you clearly just wanted to bash thus the use of a brand spanking new hater alt account so flame on Mr. Troll.
Vanbois are a scary lot. They are willing to play a buggy, half made game and lie to everyone when they say they enjoy it. They are willing to play through boring content, lackluster class design, and are able to convince themselves that they are having a good time.
Now, if they would just be willing to jump in front of a bus, we could stop hearing about this crap-fest of a MMO.
And before the Vanbois dole out their normal "You don't know anything about games, go back WoW". I played Vanguard from Beta2 and into a month of release. I wanted to enjoy this game...it's just impossible. Everything about it bad or boring, and the community is the worst I've seen in a MMO.
Agree with you, just the clingyness of them to their game in general is kinda scary.
Especially when it's not a good game and so bugged.
Vanbois are a scary lot. They are willing to play a buggy, half made game and lie to everyone when they say they enjoy it. They are willing to play through boring content, lackluster class design, and are able to convince themselves that they are having a good time.
Now, if they would just be willing to jump in front of a bus, we could stop hearing about this crap-fest of a MMO.
And before the Vanbois dole out their normal "You don't know anything about games, go back WoW". I played Vanguard from Beta2 and into a month of release. I wanted to enjoy this game...it's just impossible. Everything about it bad or boring, and the community is the worst I've seen in a MMO.
Agree with you, just the clingyness of them to their game in general is kinda scary.
Especially when it's not a good game and so bugged.
It's not really so scary. A naked Gnome in a dark ally with no clothes on...THAT is kinda scary...
What you are witnessing are players who are having alot of fun playing Vanguard....and given the SoE association and the unfairly high expectations from the developers...are on the recieving end of alot of flames.
Play Vanguard
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I quote Pre-cu SWG, alot of the playing base for the game/outside whiners say just to forget, seeing as its a buggy/half written game, but to be quite frank, a game is not liked/played just because it is "non buggy and of a high standard", there are alot more untalked about features of games that keep people involved, or maybe just something that keeps them hooked, so call people "fanbois", but your only reflecting your own ignorance.
Hmm that is something that does happen,but i can tell you as a long time unreal tournament player ,alot of it has to do with the engine.I have actually never crashed to desktop ,but i have locked up having to reboot.When this unreal engine first came out,there was literally thousands seeking help in the forums.If you ever wanted to catch a glimpse look no further than planet unreal forums.
This game engine was and obviously still is very finnicky.It really needs a well looked after system.Everything on your PC has to match from it's direct x libraires to your BIOS to your drivers.Everyone knows that 99.9% of bios get updated for reasons that are always ongoing.Drivers are also updated to meet requirements,usually because of something that microsoft incorporated into its directx.
Drivers? well yep this engine really never liked creative/eax technology,and the way it worked with direct sound.Now as always has been with this engine you need to make sure your drivers match or are compatible with the game or the directx you are using.
Haha try running FFXI with vista then youll know lol.I was surprised this game ran without a hitch using vista.
Why this game engine has always been a bitch to alot of users as compared to others i really don't know.It was an engine designed around very old tech directx6.It is as they say updated to directx9,but how much of that is true ill never know.At the time this engine was released 80% of the gamers could barely hit a playable framerate,most were using 3DFX graphic cards and only hit FPS of around 20-25.The tech gurus behind this engine did a great job updating this game/engine on a ongoing basis and very soon players were playing with framerates over 150 and never again desktop crashes.If you remember even WOW had tons of first week crashes and bugs,but like for everyone,some will see them some won't.
To this day,the only game i have played and not seen a single problem was FFXI.Right out of the box and into the install not one problem.Even after 4 years of gameplay i have never seen a problem,and believe me you if it was there i would see it.Well i guess maybe one thing that coulda shoulda been done was the graphical settings.You have to hit the registry for optimal settings,wich should never be the case.However i am sure they had there reasons for limiting the players settings.
Anyhow desktop crashes are 99% of the time driver related,so really you can blame your hardwares designer/SIGIL and microsoft for the whole ordeal.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
First of all..
Yes its my first post on these boards.
For all the good info that MMORPG.com brings us the forum registration is a little annoying, since I dont visit all that often.
So its the first time I actually bothered registering..
Second.. since WOW was mentioned by some:
I hated WOW.. pure god mode all the way up to the horror that is raiding with clueless kids.
But it worked.. and thats all there is to say about that.
And the PvP in WOW was poor substitute for RvR in DAoC. No PvP objectives in WoW just a neverending gank fest... and while that might be fun to some. Its not what Im looking for.
If Im a fanboi of anything its EVE.. there Ive said it.. I like pretty much every aspect of that game.. except 1 thing in particular.
But thats a whole other matter.
What remains to be said about Vanguard is just this: Sigil has failed. They released it too soon and ruined their own game.
Vanbois are a scary lot. They are willing to play a buggy, half made game and lie to everyone when they say they enjoy it. They are willing to play through boring content, lackluster class design, and are able to convince themselves that they are having a good time.
Now, if they would just be willing to jump in front of a bus, we could stop hearing about this crap-fest of a MMO.
And before the Vanbois dole out their normal "You don't know anything about games, go back WoW". I played Vanguard from Beta2 and into a month of release. I wanted to enjoy this game...it's just impossible. Everything about it bad or boring, and the community is the worst I've seen in a MMO.
Agree with you, just the clingyness of them to their game in general is kinda scary.
Especially when it's not a good game and so bugged.
Funny stuff.Funny how you guys use all kinds of tricks and tactics to picture VG players as stupid people.
Saying the game is not your cup of tea is fine. Saying it's garbage when you don't like the mechanics is.... childish.
Every one that followed the game knew about death penalty, rather slow leveling and grouping... Why whine about it (totally random question)?
Bugs? Sure, there is bugs. But what bugs are you guys talking about? Which game breaking bugs are you guys talking about?
eqnext.wikia.com
If i''m paying a monthly fee, i demand an unfinished game!
great one matraque
Made me think twice
sorry to hijack this thread
but I wouldn't say you're wrong.. I would totally believe that the developers screwed up, tried to make the "perfect" game too soon. and I'll have to rat you on the WoW remark, because they created two different types of servers, one where yes you can gank like theres no tomorrow, literally.. and the other you can avoid having a tissy fit altogether, and I'm sure you were one who yelled at, cussed at, and cursed the mothers of those who beat your precious little body to a pulp, you could've chosen not to play on a PvP server.
our Vanguard frends didn't put enough thought into it, that's where Blizzard always kicks its rival developers' royal arses.