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kk we have to clear that cheating talk..
SoulfreeW
Member Posts: 34
when i startet out on eve online the bigg cheat thing happend shortly after. and tbh it never ever did anything to my game play. yeop there was somthing but its not there anymore and i never suffered. so instead of keeping my mind on tha big cheat thing i played and enjoyed the game, still do afterall eve is the best mmo game ive ever played. and i know that most people hate CCP and not the game but CCP are sorry and that cheat is only a small thing afterall....... examble: when eve has update's and they run over time there will be a message to you within 10 min telling you whats wrong. in wow at update days you dont get any info at all.. just waith and waith. so even tho this cheat thing has happened, CCP is still the best company to keep players informed. and stay in touch with players. ( yeop i know they diddent talk much about that cheat thing). i even got contactet by a GM when i was new asking if i was alright and if i needed help. no other game does that. again i understand why many is angry at CCP but they are not that bad afterall and as far as i know it was a GM that did the mistake not a full CCP employe. the big question is, a WOW GM are able to spawn EVERYTHING everywhere AND WOW got alot of servers, NO GM is cheating?? ofc they are.... we all agree that NO GM should EVER cheat, but there is soo many MMO games that NO cheating is impossibel. well just wantet you all to know that all this cheat thing thing in eve NEVER touched me or my game at all. its somthing that happend in the other end of the eve world. and thats a big world.
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Please pay attention in macro economics class.
( yeop i know they diddent talk much about that cheat thing). i even got contactet by a GM when i was new asking if i was alright and if i needed help. no other game does that. again i understand why many is angry at CCP but they are not that bad afterall and as far as i know it was a GM that did the mistake not a full CCP employe.
The cheater was a Developer not a GM, although I'm sure your right GM's also cheat. They didn't talk much about the "cheat thing". They actually did more than "not talk much about" they censored everyone that said anything about it, and now I read have declared themselves fascist.
hehe im still learning..
the point is that NO game company is totally perfect. we all makes mistakes. and if really wantet to find out im sure that we could find alot of things on every game company. and Still it diddent ever touch my game and its a thing that is behind us by now. i dont thing this should have influence on new players. cuz a totally new player wont experince any of this, and ccp are not doing it anymore or again. i understand any anger to CCP 100% cuz this is not okay at all! but even jesus did stupid things. peace n love man. its behind us. afterall i belive that people talk alot and people has made this subject to alot more that it really is, not thats its a small thing but keep in mind that people talk. even me as you see.
and btw we still got a hell lot of people on this earth that belive that Elvis is not dead and they can proofe it they say.we still got a hell lot of people saying that 2pac is not dead and we got a HELL lot of people beliving that GW bush is a Alien and they can proove it! people talk. again this is not to say that CCP is angels and there wasent somthing wrong. its just too tell people thats its about time to move on. 
Yes someone cheated . Yes something happend in bob does it bother me no
Did this effect my game = no
Am i in a succesful corp = yes
did this effect corp =no
Am i in a big allience = yes
Did this effect my allience = no
Have i seen a drop in numbers of people i know = no
conclusion = blown out of propertion
Answer = already in the works. Coilitions of alliences have been formed. You have you Northern Coiltion consisting of 5 or 6 big allience plus smaller ones and corps
You have Southern coilition again of 5 or 6 alliences plus corps and you also have stragglers all engaging BOB. There is a major war going on has been for a few months now so things are being done about it but by the players.
So before peeps keep going on about oh im leaving this has ruined my game why not join the coilitions and take you anger out on them in game and im rpetty sure half the peopel saying there leaving dont even know what the situation ws about.
The coilition lost 40 to 50 carriers and dreads taking out a BOB capital ship yard.
No im not in bob or associated im part of the Northern Coilition
My advice get over it and enjoy the game. And for any people thinking weather to join eve or not the answer is it wont effect you so join and have some fun i tell you you will be addicted.
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to which instance of cheating are you referring?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
its just in general. all this bad talk and things wont affect a new player at all. not even a old player. in EVE universe its small thing that happens far away and dont affect you at all. Right?
if i were in competition with people who were just given t2 bpos and/or titans, then yes, it affected me.
if i were in any battle in the game where gms hung out and mysteriously a bod-type group went from getting their asses handed to them, to (when the gm was noticed) winning the battle and ended up winning said battle, then yes, it affected me.
if i were just some random player (of the 30,000 or so), and favoritism was given to a certain 0.0 organization repeatedly (which consists of around 5k people, fully 1/6th of the player population) and quite a number of times things just "fell" their way because staff was cheating, then yes, whether i realize it or not, direct, and repeated, cheating in favor of 1/6th of the population will affect the other 5/6ths of the population, especially when said population is THIS small and out of that 30k or so, you have to take into account how many at any time are trial accounts and how many are 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th accounts for each person. so honestly, i think the number of players COULD be a tad less than 30k total people.
if i have a bunch of 10/10 plexes which me and my friends can run constantly, because they spawn once an hour, instead of every 24 hours; then that definitely has an effect on the entire server population. that's billions (if not trillions) of isk worth of goodies getting added into a certain group's pockets. when you add rigged competitions which get them even more uber gear...
i don't like guerilla marketing, nor do i like goldfish viral marketing. i think what's been blown out of proportion is the fact that the cheating has gone on so long and in so many ways, that no one has the stamina to sit there and recall and document all the times it's happened and it's become an accepted part of the game.
as long as you're just an average joe nobody, you won't feel the affect, because you just don't realize what is going on, or why certain things dropped way low in price, or became high demand items.
like the one guy said, it's a macro-economics thing. you don't have to believe in water; but, if you step into the ocean, you WILL get wet.
Macroeconomics
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Macroeconomics is a branch of economics that deals with the performance, structure, and behavior of the economy as a whole
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
if i were in competition with people who were just given t2 bpos and/or titans, then yes, it affected me.
if i were in any battle in the game where gms hung out and mysteriously a bod-type group went from getting their asses handed to them, to (when the gm was noticed) winning the battle and ended up winning said battle, then yes, it affected me.
if i were just some random player (of the 30,000 or so), and favoritism was given to a certain 0.0 organization repeatedly (which consists of around 5k people, fully 1/6th of the player population) and quite a number of times things just "fell" their way because staff was cheating, then yes, whether i realize it or not, direct, and repeated, cheating in favor of 1/6th of the population will affect the other 5/6ths of the population, especially when said population is THIS small and out of that 30k or so, you have to take into account how many at any time are trial accounts and how many are 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th accounts for each person. so honestly, i think the number of players COULD be a tad less than 30k total people.
if i have a bunch of 10/10 plexes which me and my friends can run constantly, because they spawn once an hour, instead of every 24 hours; then that definitely has an effect on the entire server population. that's billions (if not trillions) of isk worth of goodies getting added into a certain group's pockets. when you add rigged competitions which get them even more uber gear...
i don't like guerilla marketing, nor do i like goldfish viral marketing. i think what's been blown out of proportion is the fact that the cheating has gone on so long and in so many ways, that no one has the stamina to sit there and recall and document all the times it's happened and it's become an accepted part of the game.
as long as you're just an average joe nobody, you won't feel the affect, because you just don't realize what is going on, or why certain things dropped way low in price, or became high demand items.
like the one guy said, it's a macro-economics thing. you don't have to believe in water; but, if you step into the ocean, you WILL get wet.
Macroeconomics
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Macroeconomics is a branch of economics that deals with the performance, structure, and behavior of the economy as a whole
Out of many many many post on the subject of CCP and their corrupt behavior, your post wraps it up well.
What CCP did, and seems to continue to due, is wrong.
The viral thing I had to look up, and by god, it does seem like it is happening here in this very forum. Is CCP sinking to new lows to attract more fodder for their friends? Are they using this viral method to get free advertising within forums?
Glad I choose not to go past the trial period, and not pay CCP a penny. (friends that were playing have quit as well over the CCP thing).
You are so wrong!
Read those links on economics then go back to school and stop playing games until you have a grasp of reality.
What CCP has done is an insult/slap-in-the-face to anyone that paid for a subscription.I am surprised nobody has sought legal action against CCP.
Who are you to tell the OP not to play? He is having fun. When his fun stops, he'll stop playing. As anybody else.
Bawldry grow up and stop your Viral hate posting it does nothing to affect eve at all and is just boring.
To the OP if you really do want to find out what the scandal was all about then go look over the next page or 2 of topics to see the old threads about the very same topic.
who are you to read without comprehension and post fussing at people?
where did i tell him to NOT play?
i pointed out that there's a HELL of a lot of cheating going on by noob devs. noob dev meaning that they can't play and have fun/win without cheating, otherwise, they wouldn't BE cheating.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
please refer to my "learn to read with comprehension before posting" statement.
and please do answer the plethora of items i put in another post, slater, where you asked for examples so that you could correct people's impressions of the alleged cheating (to paraphrase that thread).
cuz, until you can give answers better than "have faith in ccp", your opinion is, well, highly suspect.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Bawldry grow up and stop your Viral hate posting it does nothing to affect eve at all and is just boring.
To the OP if you really do want to find out what the scandal was all about then go look over the next page or 2 of topics to see the old threads about the very same topic.
talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
i summed up a good bit of what he'll find (just not as indepth), and i'd like to point out again, that since CCP themselves give a monetary value to ingame currency (by sanctioning isk to gtc trades), then it's the same thing as say, something like what they've done in project entropia. the whole "this is just digital stuff and the company owns it" will sorta not wash if the company itself is giving a realworld value to ingame items. at that point, you are actually stealing, embezzling, etc. most countries have laws against that.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I suspect you have another agenda then to tell the truth here.
I suspect you have another agenda then to tell the truth here. Slater, he is right for once. The OP did asked for the nay-sayers opinions.
Bawldry grow up and stop your Viral hate posting it does nothing to affect eve at all and is just boring.
To the OP if you really do want to find out what the scandal was all about then go look over the next page or 2 of topics to see the old threads about the very same topic.
I must be correct in my assuming you have an agenda. Your hate towards others that show a dislike towards CCP is clear.Now you are claiming I am someone else, someone I have seen post on this forum before, and you insulted him at every turn.
Please cease your trolling, blind insults and accusations. Let others have an opinion without your insults being the next post.
Bawldry grow up and stop your Viral hate posting it does nothing to affect eve at all and is just boring.
To the OP if you really do want to find out what the scandal was all about then go look over the next page or 2 of topics to see the old threads about the very same topic.
I must be correct in my assuming you have an agenda. Your hate towards others that show a dislike towards CCP is clear.Now you are claiming I am someone else, someone I have seen post on this forum before, and you insulted him at every turn.
Please cease your trolling, blind insults and accusations. Let others have an opinion without your insults being the next post.
Hehe, He thinks you are the other guy, because your anti-CCP arguments are VERY similar to Balwdy's. In some cases, your arguments are even the same. So that makes people wonder. Are Anti-CCP people copy pasting arguments, or is it the same person, or definitely a coincidence.
Or could it simply be, that the argument is correct and hence embraced by different people.
2+2 =4
The greater majority of people who embrace that simple and yet correct statement, do so not becuase they have an agenda against the other numbers that could be placed after the = sign, but because the statement is correct.
And so when asked thier opinion on the matter of what 2+2 equals,they stick with a correct statement as their reply.
We have Damian's posts, always heavy in content and with good points. Then we have Crusty, which are usually similar to Balwdy's posts.
The 2+2 rule doesn't apply when talking about opinions. Unless you are lining up facts other people have mentioned, but in that case, you should be quoting.
What those people are saying is to not support CCP, which is a shame since one would have to pay CCP to play Eve (good looking game, nice ideas and all, if not for the fore mentioned events, I would have subscribed).
I know others have different opinions, such as you, but not all people are posting with the same manners you have displayed in the discussion.
To the OP, "To coin a phrase, those that forget history are doomed to repeat it"
As one poster mentioned, which time? I personally know of (first hand) 12 other incidents from 2003 to 2005, not the latest (known) one. And those are just the ones that affected me and that I personnaly knew about.
The point here is that it is the duty of the players never to let the EVE population or CCP forget that things will come out. No it doe's not stop CCP or the GMs from doing things, but it makes sure that they do not do thing on such a grand scale.
Does CCP lie? Yes, documented many times.
Do CCP employees cheat? Yes also document many times.
Do the GMs show favortism? Yes also documented, since 2003 to present.
Does that affect the game play for the average player. Actually no more than other players themselves
Does the fact the CCP has lied and cheated and will most likely continue albeit on a smaller scale make EVE unplayable. Well that is the real question, unless you have an absolute *moral compass then no, the fact is that even in game CCP allows and encorages lieing , cheating, spying, etc... The fact that a "spy" offlining a POS so that the attackers could destroy ships and the station is looked at by CCP as a great move(strategy) shows how morally bankrupt CCP is. Now don't get me wrong, if I was playing a GTA-MOG I would not complain about players jacking rides and shooting hookers because that is part of the game.
The problem is not that CCP cheats, it's the scale of the cheats that are the problem. See the object is not to stop CCP from cheating and lieing, that will never happen. The object is to keep the cheating to a low lvl and to the back allys where it belongs. The "talk" is like turning on a light, the affect is that all the vermin scramble for the dark corners so that you can pertend there is not a problem.
An so it begins
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.[/CENTER]
I hear everyone saying: CCP this and CCP that.
Now think:
If something happened it must have been a member or maybe some members of CCP, but CCP as a whole???
Suuuure, they want to get known as a bunch of cheater, sure they want to loose paying customers....
Its like all those idiots who say: sometimes they cut up coke with rat poison??? Never happened, but people believe it. Why was it never cut up with rat poison: because a dealer doesn't want to loose its customers.
I am quite certain some things happened, but not in the ammount that has been spreading.
I know, people looooove conspiracy theories, but sometimes there is actually no conspiracy at all, ok maybe 1% or so of the theory would be right.
Personnaly, i think some people want to black mouth CCP because they got banned for using exploits. I must admit, they're doing a good job.
And on the other hand: do you really believe that IF they happened they don't happen in any other MMO's??
Everywhere people exist evil things happen, its in our nature. So if the program isn't ran, created and updated by a computer, then things like that could happen.
Sure it happens in other MMORPG's too however the difference is that in games like EVE there is only one server, everything that happens on that server will eventually affect the whole population.
I can say that as a producer and well since I no longer play this game I must say I WHERE.. a producer/miner and missionrunner primarily.
I used to like doing the mining thing, produce stuff and compete on the market, on the side I where training up skills to become a scientist too and compete in the T2 lottery... and you know what ? I won, twice... got me 1 Rocket bpo and 1 light missile bpo ... nice I where infact a T2 producer even that I mainly was a small scale producer of missiles.
However, eventually 1-2 years ago you got a huge influx of macrominers in the game and prices of minerals dropped very much because there was so much of it on the market so I had to abandon mining as a profession at all.
I have engaged in macrohunting, stealing and harrasing macrousers to the best I can and reported ALOT... so what did CCP do about the macro thing back then ?
Well they fixed so that atleast the macrousers had to BUY a account to use, you could no longer use a trial account to do that type of activity so you started to see the same macroers working some under different names but you could see them working together, created within minutes of eachother and so on ... and generally by observing them see that this was automated characters.
But I had other legs to stand on so I began with production and had enough isk to start buying minerals from the market (low sec and so on) and used my second account with the freighter to haul stuff around in empire.
And I made ALOT of isk this way, I found minerals at good prices in low sec and could produce battlecruisers with up to 5 million profit each, and could easy build 70-150 battlecruisers a month.
Then a shift came where macroers went from mining (not all ofcourse) to missionrunning and I have seen my share of those as well, that made mineralprices go up and my production went down because quite honestly I could not compete on the market buying minerals and produce stuff that way.
Items on the market dropped in prices and I bought Arbalest Cruisemissile launchers that used to cost like 20 million and up to prices at 4 million and up.
So where do I want to go on this ? market is playerrun, anything put into the market that is tampered with will affect the market both in the bad ways and good ways... named equipment went cheap because alot of macroers do rathunt/missionrunning, minerals went cheap because we had alot of macromining a while ...
T2 industry however have only gone one way (ofcourse how it is now I don't know) and that is up.. it became more and more expensive for both ships and some equipment.
AND this is where the T20 incident becomes real... he gave 8-10 T2 bpo's to corpmates, blueprints that where illegal and stayed in the game for 6-8 months !!!!
Something else is how the favorism towards persons and corps have run, I keep dragging this SirMolle thing as SirMolle have signed the EULA he IS forbidden to name people, I have stated and quoted in a another thread from EULA that proves that SirMolle have broken it.
Mr. K... have also broken it and got punished for it with a ban, SirMolle however is still in the game!!!! guess who he is leader for ?.
In the end I did quit the game after 3 years, both my accounts are canceled and I won't return to the game before CCP take and do the right thing, for me that would be Banning SirMolle, punish BoB financially (because of the use of T2 blueprints).... and start being consisted here they can't favor one team over another ... and staff caught cheating or doing something irregular have to be banned or warned all depend on the crime.
The longer time they use the less are the chances for me to return as player... I where a pretty active player, recruting people into the game and generally where very helpful with new people in the game, I also where pretty active promoting the game in bigger forums here in my country and know several guys have started playing (I don't know if they still do play ofcourse) because of me promoting the game.
Ofcourse all this have stopped, I have gone over to play World of Warcraft and is enjoying that at the moment, sure I do miss EVE and hope that things would change but I seriously doubt that would ever happen...
Eventually I might now try out LOTRO and later this year I will try out Age of Conan... in the end that is the same with many other players I know of and the longer they wait the harder they will get to get the old veterans left
I must say that the whole thing did not really affect me, sure a BoB corp did almost blow my Freighter up once... had to fix the ship for 60 million, maybe that was with Ammo from the T2 bpo's T20 gave away ? what do I know.
And since I hardly ever was in 0.0 and where not in any alliance warfare or politics infact I had several friends in Xelas Alliance and don't hold that to them ... however I do have a general rule about the cheating thing... there are reasons I don't play games like CS and C&C Generals and such online.
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Who documented it?
proof or stfu?