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GM Jillean wrote:
Heya Everyone! Getting ready for a meeting with the Koreans next week in LA. (They got there Visa's ). Weee! Perhaps I will take a picture of everyone in the meeting to post here on the boards (hopefully the Koreans don't think I am on crack...) Anyhoo's! Thought I would give you a quick update! Let you know we are furiously working on this! Weee!
Much Love
-Jill
i hope ob ll start soon
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Lol , i bet that the 29th of july we will have a new message like : " Sorry but we need a few couples of weeks more "
Well too bad another wasted game ...
1. Thousands of people have played Closed Beta, so its clearly not vapourware.
2. I'd rather a games company took their time to get it right instead of rushing out a bug ridden client. Too many companies just rush out half built games, and its good to see someone actually working on something for a change!
Actually if you read what DP said , they won't put any cool feature on OB , major reason for the delay is ... the item mall with acclaim coin system ! Lol they just are to busy trying to get some money instead of fixing bugs and/or adding new features. Implementing a pay option in a beta shows us how they consider the gamer community...
Now they already shown us that they are incompetent by calling Korean devs to the rescue and delaying the OB (once more), so i guess we will have another "2weeks more guys" the 30 of july and finally IF the OB come online (may be in november , may be in 2107) we won't have the so waited PvP system promised by DP , nor the others promised features except a nice item mall!
To sum up :
<Mod edit>
DP annoucement :
"The billing system is the biggest problem right now, not really technically difficult, but has been left to last. It has to be coded and tested as the Acclaim Coins system is different than theirs in Korea. Acclaim wants you to be able to use the same coins in any Acclaim games , this means interfacing closely & securely with Acclaim hardware & databases."
GM Jillean :
" I said that the PVP would come in a future build not this one. Our goal is just to get this up..."
Q.E.D , now before posting usless comment read and learn before .
Miyoshi,
If you dont like the game, dont like the company, and dont think it will ever be out, why oh why are you here spreading rumors and dissent amoungst the forums?
I for one would much prefer a company to make a good game instead of a rushed game. Plus, Openbeta is not your personal god given right. Its a method of the company testing their product prior to release. They dont have to do it, but they know it will make the final game stronger. So what if they want to make sure the coin system works? Would you rather they released something that didnt work, and when you spent your $10 it vanished with no trace? I sure wouldnt!
Instead of bashing them for trying to make it a painfree and fun experience, support them and give them the time to make it the best they can. It wont be much longer and I'm sure a few weeks wait wont kill you.
First this is a forum , so it's an open place to put our opinion and feelings. If you just want to hear that acclaim is a wonderful company that always keep their promise then go to acclaim's forum.
I personnaly participated in many close/open beta like hero online , iSro , Cabal Eu , 9dragons (etc...) , and participating in some others (metin2 e.g)
Now even a greedy company like joymax didn't implement item mall in open beta stage , i'm ok with the fact that an item mall must be secure BUT , at this time this isn't the main problem , they could put OB on line and implement the item mall in the gold version.
Why am i a bit sarcastic with acclaim and 2moons ? Well i registered an account for 2moons in august 2006 , when i saw no evolution i just left and forgot it (no mail , no update...) . Then a friend had a CB key and invite me , so i registered a new account in february , too bad i didn't got a key ... At the end of CB i was waiting and reading annoucement from acclaim , first it was planned in april then delayed , and delayed again , and again . Then they at last called the korean devs to help after .... 4 month !
This "stay tuned" policy is really irritating because , first the CB client was totally different than the one planned for OB and gold ; secondely , instead of this "stay tuned" policy they should say "ok guys thanks for the info provided , now we need several monthes to bring it back" instead of thoses constant lieing , it should be more professional...
So now what could we expect from a company that always try to find excuses for their incompetence and lie ? What will happen with game's update ? What about the future communication with the game's community ? What about the customer service ?
If acclaim keeps this kind of behavior , well i think it's gonna be worst than iSro...
Edit: i forgot to mention that they can't even update their website homepage ! How pro is that ?
lol this game is mainly an english translation of Dekaron and as stated by DP himself Dekaron is played by 150k players atm in korea (this game is also available in japan , taiwan , china ...). The main difference with Dekaron will be more quest and a better pvp system (may be a siege system but i think this will be also an update in Dekaron).
So the only time they have to put on is to add quests atm (as Jillean said the new pvp system won't be on the OB first release) and of course their item mall system ( different from the korean one).
And how do i know that ? Well i just read the news and annoucements from DP and acclaim since july 2006 ....
you get what you pay for and from what my friends who've played it tell me (from the korean server mind you) its a pretty kick ass game so i wouldnt complain when you compare it to other f2p games out now.
hell look at rf online being run into the ground by codemasters with lack of content, updates, support and the whole 9 and ppl PAY for it.
honestly, what mmo isnt delayed these days? personally i'd rather play a complete game thats delayed than a game that goes live far too soon and dies because of it
Yes and as i said after ... 4 month , next time read the whole post ...
As said by Jillean the main task atm is just to bring the game online , not with all the features promised :
GM Jillean :
" I said that the PVP would come in a future build not this one. Our goal is just to get this up..."
From what I picked up, it wasn't that they called the Korean Devs for anything, they have the code. IE they are the ones doing the actual coding. Acclaim probably wont do much besides localize the game implement the coin system, and then add updates as they are available. The issue I see is that the actual server code is coming straight from Korea, hence the Korean team insisting on higher security measures, and new server, etc, before transfering the code over.
And frankly, it doesn't have anything to do with being greedy. Acclaim doesn't owe you crap. While I'm sure they want everyone to enjoy this game and therefore use the item shop, they aren't putting the game out for no reason. They want to make money, like any other company. Hence the focus on the Coins issue, and frankly I don't blame them for that.
They want to get the game up as soon as they can, and I'm sure they will as soon as they can. If that is not good enough for you, go play another MMO.
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Actually i'm already playing another mmorpg (well actually 3 atm ), and guess what ? Too bad Acclaim won't get my bucks ... and btw all the ppl from my guild in others mmorpg are playing with me to , so no more bucks from them to !
Acclaim clearly missed the point by failing in adapting an existing game, delay , more delay and again more delay to bring us a game that is already running smoothly in others countries ! Teasing us ( the customers ) and constantly trying to find excuses isn't the good policy as there are a lot of mmorpgs actually on the market .
So as i said , instead of trying to implement first an item mall to bring the game on , the should put the game on and then , when the item mall is secured enough, implement it in game .This kind of behavior would actually bring more ppl in and open it to a wider community (IOW , more potential customers ...). That denote a really bad commercial policy in addition to a bad dev one ....
So as DP said , they are "new kids on the block" in the mmorpg's market and they actually porved us that they are clearly incompetent
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Stop blaming the koreans for acclaim's incompetence, actually the CB was only an older version of Dekaron (IOW useless) , they called Koean when they saw that they can't handle the job cuz acclaim can't even read korean .how pro is that when you want to run a korean deved game ?. (quote DEmaria99 : The fact is, we're dealing with the code that the Koreans wrote. Have you ever tried to read code? In English? Well, if you haven't, that's enough work alone. But add that the code is commented in Korean and imagine what a task that is.) Well it seems that you missed some news don't you ?
Acclaim team on 2moons was clearly 2 small, they didn't even thought of possible hacking before devs told us ?
( quote dp : We did get some hackers show up and they have forced a bunch of new hires at Acclaim (at the insistence of the developer) to protect the game to the maximum possible extent. Sounds easy, “Ok just hire them!”. But then you need to find them (tough in the MMO space), relocate them, train them etc. They are in the training mode now, they grow by “Security +1” every day. ) . That's what i call a really bad management ...
Reading DP's annoucement is like reading a private server amateur team forum , and guess what ? Private servers devs have certainly a better management...
Stop blaming the koreans for acclaim's incompetence, actually the CB was only an older version of Dekaron (IOW useless) , they called Koean when they saw that they can't handle the job cuz acclaim can't even read korean .how pro is that when you want to run a korean deved game ?. (quote DEmaria99 : The fact is, we're dealing with the code that the Koreans wrote. Have you ever tried to read code? In English? Well, if you haven't, that's enough work alone. But add that the code is commented in Korean and imagine what a task that is.) Well it seems that you missed some news don't you ?
Acclaim team on 2moons was clearly 2 small, they didn't even thought of possible hacking before devs told us ?
( quote dp : We did get some hackers show up and they have forced a bunch of new hires at Acclaim (at the insistence of the developer) to protect the game to the maximum possible extent. Sounds easy, “Ok just hire them!”. But then you need to find them (tough in the MMO space), relocate them, train them etc. They are in the training mode now, they grow by “Security +1” every day. ) . That's what i call a really bad management ...
Reading DP's annoucement is like reading a private server amateur team forum , and guess what ? Private servers devs have certainly a better management...
Once again, obviously reading comprehension has taken a back seat to your insatiable hunger to bad mouth Acclaim on this issue. Read what you quoted again.
"We are dealing with code that the Koreans Wrote. " " We did get some hackers show up and they have forced a bunch of rehires at Acclaim ( at the insistence of the DEVELOPER)."
Demaria has a point, can you code? Can you read Korean? If its as easy as you make it out to be, why dont you offer to go help translate? And your right, they DID call Korea, to get the latest code from the DEVELOPERS of the game. Once again you try to explain to me why the Korean DEVS not getting them the code in a timely manner has anything to do with mismanagement on Acclaims side?
And in the meantime, they had some unforseen issues as far as security goes. That shit happens. Ever hear about the players in Shadowbane who hacked GM powers and flooded the entire gameworld? I saw hackers and botters and everyone else at least once a day in just about every other game I've played. But in your mindset, some skilled people working their magic = Acclaim being clueless as to what can happen with PC games. Give me a break.
It's plainly obvious that you are just pissed that OB is taking so long. I was a little bummed when I found out that I missed CB and it was going to take a bit to see OB. But I live in the real world, not the fantasy world where I think I deserve everything handed to me when I want it, and that if I dont get it, someone else's head better roll. I work marketing and I understand that things dont always go the way you want.
The only thing I was frustrated about was that it took them so long to actually get the community and update on the status of OB. But from the sound of things they were busting their asses trying to get everything worked out. Don't forget DP and alot of the others are also working on a couple projects at once.
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i'm just answering posts that are clearly wrong about facts , and having fun reading how acclaim is trying to find excuses. Now as i said , this is a forum and i post my point of view . If you don't want to read it go somewhere else but the unkept promises from acclaim show all potential players how could be the future of this game (e.g " we are sorry the severs were hacked we are waiting for the korean to put them up asap" or "sorry guys we have a huge bug but we don't know how to fix it , we are waiting for the korean .....")
Well i think accliam will make us laugh a lot in the future ( as they did in the past
)
Stop blaming the koreans for acclaim's incompetence, actually the CB was only an older version of Dekaron (IOW useless) , they called Koean when they saw that they can't handle the job cuz acclaim can't even read korean .how pro is that when you want to run a korean deved game ?. (quote DEmaria99 : The fact is, we're dealing with the code that the Koreans wrote. Have you ever tried to read code? In English? Well, if you haven't, that's enough work alone. But add that the code is commented in Korean and imagine what a task that is.) Well it seems that you missed some news don't you ?
Acclaim team on 2moons was clearly 2 small, they didn't even thought of possible hacking before devs told us ?
( quote dp : We did get some hackers show up and they have forced a bunch of new hires at Acclaim (at the insistence of the developer) to protect the game to the maximum possible extent. Sounds easy, “Ok just hire them!”. But then you need to find them (tough in the MMO space), relocate them, train them etc. They are in the training mode now, they grow by “Security +1” every day. ) . That's what i call a really bad management ...
Reading DP's annoucement is like reading a private server amateur team forum , and guess what ? Private servers devs have certainly a better management...
Once again, obviously reading comprehension has taken a back seat to your insatiable hunger to bad mouth Acclaim on this issue. Read what you quoted again.
"We are dealing with code that the Koreans Wrote. " " We did get some hackers show up and they have forced a bunch of rehires at Acclaim ( at the insistence of the DEVELOPER)."
Demaria has a point, can you code? Can you read Korean? If its as easy as you make it out to be, why dont you offer to go help translate? And your right, they DID call Korea, to get the latest code from the DEVELOPERS of the game. Once again you try to explain to me why the Korean DEVS not getting them the code in a timely manner has anything to do with mismanagement on Acclaims side?
And in the meantime, they had some unforseen issues as far as security goes. That shit happens. Ever hear about the players in Shadowbane who hacked GM powers and flooded the entire gameworld? I saw hackers and botters and everyone else at least once a day in just about every other game I've played. But in your mindset, some skilled people working their magic = Acclaim being clueless as to what can happen with PC games. Give me a break.
It's plainly obvious that you are just pissed that OB is taking so long. I was a little bummed when I found out that I missed CB and it was going to take a bit to see OB. But I live in the real world, not the fantasy world where I think I deserve everything handed to me when I want it, and that if I dont get it, someone else's head better roll. I work marketing and I understand that things dont always go the way you want.
The only thing I was frustrated about was that it took them so long to actually get the community and update on the status of OB. But from the sound of things they were busting their asses trying to get everything worked out. Don't forget DP and alot of the others are also working on a couple projects at once.
First they have the code , 2nd it seems that they don't understand korean . Well indeed i can code , but i'm not stupid enough to buy a license for a game without knowing the language used to comment the code ... (what acclaim actually does) or hiring ppl that can translate the comment that my dev team can start coding. That reminds me end users starting to use a product without reading the user guide .
Now i'm having fun reading excuses from acclaim and ppl defending them as obiously they are amateurs . I made some P.S. from different mmorpg and localised them (from english to my native language) and guess what ? It tooks me 2 week per game. Now i'm not a big corporate i'm just a computer engineer and did that with a couple a friends ...
Well FYI i live in real world , that is to say when i do something i just do it logically , analysing things before starting to work on something. Now time to do some 4wheeling training for my next offroad trip. See you tomorrow to read another fun comment from a pro-acclaim blind guy
i'm just answering posts that are clearly wrong about facts , and having fun reading how acclaim is trying to find excuses. Now as i said , this is a forum and i post my point of view . If you don't want to read it go somewhere else but the unkept promises from acclaim show all potential players how could be the future of this game (e.g " we are sorry the severs were hacked we are waiting for the korean to put them up asap" or "sorry guys we have a huge bug but we don't know how to fix it , we are waiting for the korean .....")
Well i think accliam will make us laugh a lot in the future ( as they did in the past
)
Stop blaming the koreans for acclaim's incompetence, actually the CB was only an older version of Dekaron (IOW useless) , they called Koean when they saw that they can't handle the job cuz acclaim can't even read korean .how pro is that when you want to run a korean deved game ?. (quote DEmaria99 : The fact is, we're dealing with the code that the Koreans wrote. Have you ever tried to read code? In English? Well, if you haven't, that's enough work alone. But add that the code is commented in Korean and imagine what a task that is.) Well it seems that you missed some news don't you ?
Acclaim team on 2moons was clearly 2 small, they didn't even thought of possible hacking before devs told us ?
( quote dp : We did get some hackers show up and they have forced a bunch of new hires at Acclaim (at the insistence of the developer) to protect the game to the maximum possible extent. Sounds easy, “Ok just hire them!”. But then you need to find them (tough in the MMO space), relocate them, train them etc. They are in the training mode now, they grow by “Security +1” every day. ) . That's what i call a really bad management ...
Reading DP's annoucement is like reading a private server amateur team forum , and guess what ? Private servers devs have certainly a better management...
Once again, obviously reading comprehension has taken a back seat to your insatiable hunger to bad mouth Acclaim on this issue. Read what you quoted again.
"We are dealing with code that the Koreans Wrote. " " We did get some hackers show up and they have forced a bunch of rehires at Acclaim ( at the insistence of the DEVELOPER)."
Demaria has a point, can you code? Can you read Korean? If its as easy as you make it out to be, why dont you offer to go help translate? And your right, they DID call Korea, to get the latest code from the DEVELOPERS of the game. Once again you try to explain to me why the Korean DEVS not getting them the code in a timely manner has anything to do with mismanagement on Acclaims side?
And in the meantime, they had some unforseen issues as far as security goes. That shit happens. Ever hear about the players in Shadowbane who hacked GM powers and flooded the entire gameworld? I saw hackers and botters and everyone else at least once a day in just about every other game I've played. But in your mindset, some skilled people working their magic = Acclaim being clueless as to what can happen with PC games. Give me a break.
It's plainly obvious that you are just pissed that OB is taking so long. I was a little bummed when I found out that I missed CB and it was going to take a bit to see OB. But I live in the real world, not the fantasy world where I think I deserve everything handed to me when I want it, and that if I dont get it, someone else's head better roll. I work marketing and I understand that things dont always go the way you want.
The only thing I was frustrated about was that it took them so long to actually get the community and update on the status of OB. But from the sound of things they were busting their asses trying to get everything worked out. Don't forget DP and alot of the others are also working on a couple projects at once.
First they have the code , 2nd it seems that they don't understand korean . Well indeed i can code , but i'm not stupid enough to buy a license for a game without knowing the language used to comment the code ... (what acclaim actually does) or hiring ppl that can translate the comment that my dev team can start coding. That reminds me end users starting to use a product without reading the user guide .
Now i'm having fun reading excuses from acclaim and ppl defending them as obiously they are amateurs . I made some P.S. from different mmorpg and localised them (from english to my native language) and guess what ? It tooks me 2 week per game. Now i'm not a big corporate i'm just a computer engineer and did that with a couple a friends ...
Well FYI i live in real world , that is to say when i do something i just do it logically , analysing things before starting to work on something. Now time to do some 4wheeling training for my next offroad trip. See you tomorrow to read another fun comment from a pro-acclaim blind guy
I'm starting to understand that english isn't your first lesson, but reading comprehension is something that is taught the world over. Once again though you prove that you are just spouting off at the mouth when you haven't taken time to read everything that was posted. When the Original OB news hit, they did NOT have the latest code. Hell, they even said that they were waiting on the Korean devs to get some passports because they physically wanted to hand over the code themselves.
And I don't see how me pointing out that you are the one coming off as an "Acclaim Hater" as me being pro Acclaim. Frankly, I don't care who is publishing the game or working on it. But frankly I couldn't look past the chance to put you in your place. Noone Promised Open Beta at a certain time, no one lied about when it was starting. They said that it should be starting a few weeks after CB. Guess what, shit happens, and now you have all these pissed off people waving "Lied to" flags in the air because they didn't get their way. Acclaim is working on the game, they never promised a certain release date for OB, hell, even " No later than July 30th" isn't a promise. They will continue to work to get the game playable for you as they can.
You act like you got stood up for a date. And again, noone said they didn't have the people to translate the code, they said it's time consuming. Not MORE or LESS time consuming than they anticipated, but a long process. But again, obviously that means that didn't even hire anyone to do it, right? Give us a break.
Once again, you haven't been promised anything. They are working on the game as they can. If you don't like their timeframe, then stick to what you are playing now, but in this thread you look like a little baby being weened off the BaBa and just can't deal with a sippy cup.
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