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TalemireTalemire Member UncommonPosts: 842

Disregard this post. In all fairness my judgement was extremely poor. Sorry for not being credible folks. =)

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    *sigh*...



    It happens every time a game is released.  The hype ratings are zeroed out and the game starts with a perfect score.  Give it a few weeks.  LOTR did the same thing.
    "I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone.  It's not.  The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone."  Robin Williams
  • TalemireTalemire Member UncommonPosts: 842

     

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    Love the sinner, hate the sin.
  • rhinokrhinok Member UncommonPosts: 1,798

    People come to this site for honest opinions in hope to find an MMORPG that they enjoy, not to be lured in by an extreme rating manipulation.
    Whoever believes this game is better than F2Ps like Lost Chaos or Rappelz, or even P2Ps like Vanguard and LOTRO has a taste that only a mother could love.
    You complain about extreme ratings then insult the people that actually enjoy this game?  How honest is that?



    I've played Rappelz and didn't care for it and I've played this game and enjoy it greatly.  I guess I'm too extreme for you....



    ~Ripper
  • ManJunkManJunk Member Posts: 273
    Dungeon Runners isn't on par with any of the forementioned mmos *period*.  It is a singleplayer dungeon hack with multiplayer elements.



    Also Ripper's Quote...

    "...then your opinion is absolutely meaningless and you're simply trolling..."



    Great attitude chief!  I guess in your mind we're not entitled to opinions?
  • rhinokrhinok Member UncommonPosts: 1,798
    Originally posted by ManJunk

    Dungeon Runners isn't on par with any of the forementioned mmos *period*.  It is a singleplayer dungeon hack with multiplayer elements.



    Also Ripper's Quote...

    "...then your opinion is absolutely meaningless and you're simply trolling..."



    Great attitude chief!  I guess in your mind we're not entitled to opinions?
    1)  Even the lead developer calls DR "mmo-lite" - it's not trying to be a full MMO, which means that it isn't trying to compete with full MMOs.  As such, comparisons to full MMOs are meaningless - it's apples to oranges.  They're both fruit, but different types...



    2)  You took my statement completely out of context.  The OP complained about "extreme" ratings, then proceeded to insult the players that do like the game.  It's hypocritical, which is what makes his opinion meaningless ...



    ~Ripper
  • TalemireTalemire Member UncommonPosts: 842

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    Love the sinner, hate the sin.
  • rhinokrhinok Member UncommonPosts: 1,798
    1)  This is a player board, not a board of professional reviewers.  I've seen posts ranging from users that have less intelligence than a rock to posts by l337 rocket scientists that think Mensa is a social club for kids that ride the short bus. As such, you should expect a broad variety of "unprofessional opinions".  That's why the ratings are averaged, to balance out the extremes.



    2)  When one legitimately reviews a game, one should rate the game on it's own merits, not how it compares to other games.  To do otherwise would be subjective and would, therefore, bias the review and rating.  Only after the game has been objectively rated on it's own merits should it be compared to other games of the same type (typically through a balanced scorecard approach).  Even so, there will still be an element of subjectiveness due to personal preferences and definitions of "fun".  In the case of mmorpg.com, their rating display system is flawed.  Ratings are a based on a combination of scores from categories that pertain solely to the game (like it should be).  The flaw is that games are listed cumulatively in a table with a score, which would lead one to believe (like yourself, for instance) that the ratings were meant to indicate that one game was better than another.

    Any gamer who hasn't heard of LOTRO, VG, or even to be extreme, WoW should get up out of their chair, dump the accumulated piss out of their 2 liters, gather up all the empty bags of chips laying around the room, and take a trip to Best Buy.
    3)  Any idiot, you mean.  Seriously, a person in the scenario you described probably isn't too bright. An intelligent and reasonable person would normally check out the boards, read the reviews and decide whether or not the game warranted their time.  Since this is  a free game, the risk isn't too high.  If they like it, great.  If not, they'll move on...



    4)  Since the game was just released to the general public, there aren't too many ratings yet.  As such, the average rating is a moving target.



    5)  Personally, I think the rating of 7.7 is about right for this game.  I think it's fun and addictive, but I don't think it's a the best game ever.  Here's an objective (I think)  review I wrote:



    Ripper McGee's Dungeon Runners Review



    As a counterpoint, here's the first (I believe) official review of Dungeon Runners since it's release to the general public (it's overwhelmingly negative, btw):



    Shacknews DR Review



    Obviously, both I and the Shacknews reviewer have different concepts of fun as it pertains to this game.  He doesn't find it enjoyable, I do.



    6)  I agree with you, to a certain extent, regarding the comparison of this game to games like LotR.  Personally, I feel (and I've stated this on the official boards) that the game shouldn't be marketed as a MMO.  I feel this way specifically because people have expectations of games with the MMO designation.  The people that like this game tend to like it for what it is:  casual, simple and funny hack-n-slash in an online setting.  Generally, I feel the people that don't like it tend to not like it because it failed to meet their expectations of what it "should be"...



    ~Ripper
  • TalemireTalemire Member UncommonPosts: 842

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    Love the sinner, hate the sin.
  • wogeswoges Member Posts: 57
    The game is not worthy of a 7.8 grade - not even close.
  • Parsifal57Parsifal57 Member Posts: 267
    Originally posted by Talemire


     
    Whatever group of people gave this crappy game a 10 and all the rest of the games below it a 1 is extremely unprofessional, period. People come to this site for honest opinions in hope to find an MMORPG that they enjoy, not to be lured in by an extreme rating manipulation. I've tried this game, and it's not at all that great. Whoever believes this game is better than F2Ps like Lost Chaos or Rappelz, or even P2Ps like Vanguard and LOTRO has a taste that only a mother could love.
     So basically you are complaining because someone dares to like a game that you dont ?



     The scores will even out eventually , as another poster said this happens to virtually every new game that comes out, just because your favorite game isn't on there doesn't mean that there is a conspiracy. Anyone who would buy/play games on the ratings without doing a little research gets what they deserve anyway.



    In the context of your complaint your opinion is no more valid than the people who like the game. I have and do play dungeon runners ocassionally, is it a great game? no, but it isn't set itself out to be anything more than it is which is a hack and slay with quests and a slighlty different model than other F2P games i.e. want the premium content pay a small fee monthly, instead of the other and in my opinion more expensive option of Item Malls.



    I will agree that the released game ratings have a tendancy to be overreactive when a new game hits and there needs to be a smoothing algorithm of some sort.



    But at the end of the day the rating of a game is not about it's techincal merits (however much you feel it should be) its about how much fun people feel an MMO is, keyword here is MMO not MMORPG as you seem to feel it should be.
  • Parsifal57Parsifal57 Member Posts: 267
    Originally posted by Talemire


     
    Number 6 ~> I strongly agree with that.
     How can you agree with something that patently isn't true? , aah yes because it supports your ideals. Well DR is an MMO like or not , its not a MMORPG but since this site regardless of its names covers all types of MMO's its perfectly valid for it to be reviewed here.
  • rhinokrhinok Member UncommonPosts: 1,798
    Originally posted by Parsifal57

    Originally posted by Talemire


     
    Number 6 ~> I strongly agree with that.
     How can you agree with something that patently isn't true? , aah yes because it supports your ideals. Well DR is an MMO like or not , its not a MMORPG but since this site regardless of its names covers all types of MMO's its perfectly valid for it to be reviewed here.

    What I actually said:

    Personally, I feel (and I've stated this on the official boards) that the game shouldn't be marketed as a MMO.  I feel this way specifically because people have expectations of games with the MMO designation.
    I never said it was "true".  I simply stated my opinion.



    ~Ripper
  • rhinokrhinok Member UncommonPosts: 1,798
    Originally posted by woges

    The game is not worthy of a 7.8 grade - not even close.
    Hence the average of the ratings.  I think it's worth  7.8, whereas you don't.   Each of use are absolutely entitled to our opinions.  Our scores, combined with all of the others will average out.



    ~Ripper
  • JDexterJDexter Member UncommonPosts: 130

    I play the game.  I like the game.   I gave the game the ratings I feel appropriate based on my opinion.  Other have done the same.

    Who are you to say how we should rate the game?  Last I checked, we are individuals, each with our own tastes.  Apparently there are people out there who do like this game for what it is, sorry that offends your sensibilities.

     

  • wogeswoges Member Posts: 57
    Of course you can rate the game as you see fit, nobody is saying you cannot.



    However, my opionion is that this is a pretty shallow rpg with bad controls and dull missions.



    I did like the undead king on the title screen (which I was staring at for a while due to login problems).



    It's not even close to Diablo 2 standards so why pay for this?
  • JDexterJDexter Member UncommonPosts: 130
    Originally posted by woges

    Of course you can rate the game as you see fit, nobody is saying you cannot.



    However, my opionion is that this is a pretty shallow rpg with bad controls and dull missions.



    I did like the undead king on the title screen (which I was staring at for a while due to login problems).



    It's not even close to Diablo 2 standards so why pay for this?



    Yes, your opinion.  My opinion is that it's wrth 5 dollars a month.  You don't like it, I do. 

    So are we done with your opinion yet, or will you continue to insult the people who actually like to play this game?

     

  • wogeswoges Member Posts: 57
    Umm, I'm not insulting anyone for playing the game. I'm just saying it's rating is too high as far as I'm concerned.



    What's wrong with that?
  • rhinokrhinok Member UncommonPosts: 1,798
    Originally posted by woges

    Umm, I'm not insulting anyone for playing the game. I'm just saying it's rating is too high as far as I'm concerned.



    What's wrong with that?
    I think he confused you with another poster.  Keep on truckin'...



    ~Ripper
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