Britain was supposed to have reached 5% 2 years ago but we are currently stuck on 0.3% with new targets set for 15%.
Germany has had upto 30-40% biodiesal usage which is pretty impressive.
The trouble is without tax breaks, no one there buys it. It's either a subsidised fuel or it's too expensive for the end user.
In terms of national economics, it makes very little difference if you pay the extra at the pump or in taxes.
Biodiesal is however still 95% mineral diesal. It's a blend. That 20 percent should you achieve it, isn't going to reduce your oil dependancy by 20%. Not even by 1% in fact. Less than 1% is still a lot of oil, I confess, but it's not in the right ball park to break middle eastern dependancy.
And you still are going to have to use middle-eastern oil for the next 10 years before your oil dependance gets reduced by that less than 1% that biodiesal promises.
Iran will have the bomb in 2.
Biodiesal really isn't the solution. A very tiny step in the right direction, yes. But no solution.
We need middle eastern oil. 40% of our oil supply comes out of the Gulf. There really isn't any way round this. It's not like we haven't been trying to find a way out of this since the 70's.
Bottom line: anyone you cannot trust to board a plane is probably someone you should not trust with a nuke. The thought of any Middle Eastern nation, aside from Israel, with a nuke is just madness. Madness. MADNESS.
Like i stated before..this coming from people off a country who has the biggest amount of nukes is funny and ironic.And as i also stated the fact that you will claim the USA will only use it for "the good" is a matter of opinion caus what you may find a good thing could be a verry verry bad thing for me.
Going through all the previous posts i can only make one conclusion : You guys are scared off something you don't know anything about and too ignorant and stubborn to even try and comprehent it.You'd rather just nuke the wholemiddle-east than actually dig into the matter and see where the true problem lies.......within yourself....
Just because a few radicals caused the terror of 9/11 -wich i also found shocking btw and in no way a good thing - doesn't give you the right to start a holy war all over again.We've done that once remember and if you also remember correctly that didn't work out the way the christians had planned back then....
Before anyone starts guessing... i am european , dutch to be precise and i have no religion what so ever.
Well, let's put your European moral equivalency arguments to the test. Let Iran have nukes and see what happens. I live in the countryside, so I think i can survive any mischief those clowns make in some large Western city.
Oh, and tell your Dutch newspapers to hold off on the Allah cartoons, lest your new Islamo-fascist masters come down hard upon you.
First off it wasn't the dutch papers but the danish that caused all the fuzz....just to clarify that.
Secondly i did not state that i like the way my country handles things..in fact i was against their condolence of the war on iraq for the supposed weapons off mas destruction wich if i recall right never where found in the end...but whatever.I am against nukes in generaland if i should be the one to hand them out i'd surely hand them out on all sides just to be sure.And using the word fascist is soooooo 19th century.
On a sidenote it's also a known fact that the only countries really feeling strong bout war against Iran are Israell and America...the 2 sides with the most powerfull nukes.....the question is do you want a war for the benefit of mankind , or do you wanna stay the one nation to rule mankind?
So you invaded afghanistan....how's the situation there now for the inhabitants? Yeah right we did it to help the people free of the tiranny of Al Qaida ..bet they are much more happy now.
Then you invaded iraq....how's the situation there now for the inhabitants?Yeah right we did it to help the people free of the tranny of Saddam..bet they are much safer now.
And now invade iran.......and then in 20 years you're wondering why the wholemiddle-east is against you and REALLY starts working on a nucleair programm.....how does you're saying go: you reap what you sow .....
But like i mentioned before..i really hope Bush and his government do not represent the biggest part of the american people.....
I seriously hope you're kidding tough guy. Why people are willing to take a bullet for people like you, is beyond me. At least some of us woke up to stuff like this and got out. Brave bank clerk and brave wives, get real. Ever been shot at? Ever charge the people shooting at you? No? Maybe you should stay a bank clerk oh brave one..... Everything you just said is an insult.
I've been shot at school, does that count?
I've been bombed too. Have you?
You get to shoot back at the people shooting you. To charge them.
What's brave is to go back to the same spot the bombs went off yesterday, when you can't see them coming, when you can't fight back.
Which people were you suggesting are willing to take a bullet for me by the way?
It doesn't take much bravery to volunteer to take a bullet for someone who never gets shot at.
Want to do something really brave? Adopt a tramp.
Sorry but army worship isn't one of my hang ups. If you can't learn to respect civilians, don't expect them to respect you back.
Well, let's put your European moral equivalency arguments to the test. Let Iran have nukes and see what happens. I live in the countryside, so I think i can survive any mischief those clowns make in some large Western city. Oh, and tell your Dutch newspapers to hold off on the Allah cartoons, lest your new Islamo-fascist masters come down hard upon you.
If Iran gets nukes, nothing will happen to Europe, as we actually tried to solve everything diplomatically, without using terms such as "0mgz where gonna bombz u cuz we dont like u". By the way, have you ever been in europe to see for yourself what our morals are? Ahmejinedad (sp) is certainly not a clown. He wants to lead his nation to a more important poistion in global affairs, which would lead to more responsibily on his side (which in turn would lead to a curve in radical ideas spreading from Iran). If you take the comments he made about Israel as serious, you should know that not even an idiot with 1/10th the IQ of Hitler would make such a mistake. On another note, Iranian missiles cant even reach Europe. If Iran even sent a Scud to Israel, the entire country would be bombed to pieces, and thats not even talking about the consequences of nuking israel (which they wouldnt do anyway, as Jerusalem is a holy city for the muslims). The cartoons were Danish, which is a country in northern europe (as i doubt you know your geography about Europe too well). Our freedom of expression actually allows us to write those things, unlike another palce in the world i know where the Patriot Act is enforced. Talking about The Netherlands, we've actually been quite sucessfull in curving radical islamism in our country (just take the Hofstad group as an example), while not going into as far as to start needing secret detentions centers (*cough Poland, Guantanamo) for those purposes. I am not against American culture or its people, just against its current President's actions.
Baff it still does not change the fact that the troops are brave. You can't switch and say that normal everyday people are more brave than troops deployed into a hostile red zone. The government comes over to where these bombs you talk of went off, they then make sure it is safe. If you do not believe this then go to the subways and it says that they are safe.
In the red zone it is never safe and no one ever says "Hey it is safe to get in your not armored vehicle and drive into the red zone."
Thats the difference, it is just as I said before. Those who have no bravery, will never no what it is, they will not have a concept of bravery and will not be able to grasp it.
It is not bravery to ride a subway that is said to be safe, just as it is not bravery to ride a roller coaster that someone died on. These things are check numerous times and are made to be safe. Iraq is not a place where your government can come in and make it safer, it is a zone of conflict where people die every day and terrorist attack every day.
There is a difference in riding a train that "COULD" be attacked but has only been attacked very few times and being in a place where you "WILL" be attacked by suicide bombers.
You can insult the troops bravery all you like, some are safer than others, such as the mechanics over there. However, the majority are not safe and are in the line of fire every day, suicide bombers are all over and so are insurgents. That is a war, not riding a subway that gets bombed once every 10 years. Would you rather ride a ride that was bombed once every 10 years or ride a ride that malfunctioned every day. I will leave it up to everyone to make that decision I am sure we all know which one people will pick.
Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!
IF iran would attack any country in the world, well perhaps not north korea, they would be huge morons. using nukes as a weapon of war is really stupid because you would have nuclear missles in your backyard at the same time. nuclear missle aren't weapons of war but weapons of politics. using threats like nuclear attacks is nothing more than bluff, it's like a weaker version of the cold war.
here's my good advice don't attack, talk but don't critize there religion or goverment. use a political game of chess not a game of war. oh and don't call country's the root of evil or terrorisme, no wonder the threat with nuclear missle. the are not evil just different.
Baff it still does not change the fact that the troops are brave. You can't switch and say that normal everyday people are more brave than troops deployed into a hostile red zone. The government comes over to where these bombs you talk of went off, they then make sure it is safe. If you do not believe this then go to the subways and it says that they are safe.
In the red zone it is never safe and no one ever says "Hey it is safe to get in your not armored vehicle and drive into the red zone."
Thats the difference, it is just as I said before. Those who have no bravery, will never no what it is, they will not have a concept of bravery and will not be able to grasp it.
It is not bravery to ride a subway that is said to be safe, just as it is not bravery to ride a roller coaster that someone died on. These things are check numerous times and are made to be safe. Iraq is not a place where your government can come in and make it safer, it is a zone of conflict where people die every day and terrorist attack every day.
There is a difference in riding a train that "COULD" be attacked but has only been attacked very few times and being in a place where you "WILL" be attacked by suicide bombers.
You can insult the troops bravery all you like, some are safer than others, such as the mechanics over there. However, the majority are not safe and are in the line of fire every day, suicide bombers are all over and so are insurgents. That is a war, not riding a subway that gets bombed once every 10 years. Would you rather ride a ride that was bombed once every 10 years or ride a ride that malfunctioned every day. I will leave it up to everyone to make that decision I am sure we all know which one people will pick.
You are more likely to get killed crossing the road in New York.
If you want to think troops are braver than other people that's up to you. I have more respect for the bravery of wheelchair bound children than I ever will soldiers. Soldiers have the choice. They chose to be brave. they place themselves voluntarily in a position of danger. A lot of people don't have that option.
Insulting the bravery of civilians doesn't prove the bravery of the military mind to me. It demonstrates it's ignorance.
Subways round here used to get bombed 3 times a week every week for 10 years in a row. Not "once every 10 years". In the Blitz thousands of bombs dropped every night. Did you really think you had to be in the army to know war? To face fear, to confront terror.
You should count yourself lucky. The army gives you the opportunity to conquer your fears. You get a gun and something you can do about it. A means to defend yourself. No one here ever did.
Try living in the red zone without a gun. Without any body armour. Without an armoured vehicle to drive around in. What's so brave about being a soldier? Try it as a civilian.
I don't idolise soldiers. I'm quite happy to insult a soldiers bravery. It's no big deal for me. I can think of any number of civilians who demonstrate extreme bravery in even the most domestic of circumstances. Courage means more to me than something I saw in Saving Private Ryan or my willingness to fight or risk physical harm. Being a soldier may have made you a man, but that isn't the only way to get there.
No respect garners no respect. Military people who cannot respect others outside of the military are not people I show deference to. They have integration issues which they need to address before they de-mob.
Yet again you try to switch around the subject, don't tip toe meet head on. You try to make it about the courage of civilians when you insulted the bravery of the troops. There is no need to insult either yet you see fit to.
You obviously have hate towards the military and anyone in it. You are not gonna change your opinion even with others knowing your insult was not warranted and not needed. You insult people for no reason on a daily basis?
Perhaps you should be more cool and not insult people without reason, you don't know the whole of the army. You tip toe yourself right into another subject to make yourself feel better, the people who don't tip toe call you on your unwarranted insults.
If you still in that whole 5th and 6th grade insult someone cause they are not like you mind set, grow up.
This is the last time I will be posting in this thread, I think me and some other people find what you say offensive. I will not report you like you did me though, so have a nice day tip toeing and trying to make yourself seem more brave and moral, people are not buying it, and you are obviously not buying it yourself.
p.s. I wonder what kind of person who throw out insults like you do then try to report me for saying a person is a jerk off if he insults the bravery of his countries troops. Truly the question boggles the mind, however I think me and quite a few people know what kind of person does that.
Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!
I am perplexed as to how someone of your intelligence can't see the difference between a pedestrian and a soldier as far as bravery goes Baff.
A soldier volunteers to be a part of that danger, he willingly puts himself into the line of fire in an attempt to make it so that those pedestrians don't have to. People on the street aren't going to work with any kind of thought that "yeah I might get bombed today" they just go to work and assume nothing will happen because the chances of it are so slim...whereas, an individual soldier goes to work saying "yeah there's a good chance that I could very well be bombed today"
It doesn't matter that more people get killed by drunk drivers or gang related violence. The fact still stands that those men are volunteering to go to a place where combat, death, and violence, is the norm...those things are NOT the norm for your average worker comuting to his or her job.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
That depends where you live. Many people in many streets do think they might get bombed today. I've lived in that climate of fear. You don't have to go to Iraq.
Statistically crossing a busy road is more dangerous than being deployed in Iraq. Although being a soldier sounds all dangerous and self sacrificing, and even is, this does not undermine that other more mundane sounding pursuits are also dangerous and also involve self sacrifice. People volunteer for them too.
I do not buy into the concept of a soldier saving the average Joe in the street. He saves his buddies on deployment if he can, but the average Joe in the street, he leaves behind in a different country completely and goes off to foreign lands to seek glory in battle or later on when he's a bit older, just get paid.
The idea that a soldier in Iraq has taken a bullet for me is quite simply preposterous. I've never been to Iraq. Any bullet he took, wasn't mine. Iraq is not a defensive war, it is an aggressive one. Soldiers in Iraq are not saving anybody from their home countries at all. We are in fact in much greater danger at home for them being there. They didn't take a bullet for me, any more than the 147 that died in London took a bomb for the troops. Nor is that in the minds of the troops as they go out on patrol.
We've lost more civilians than we have soldiers over Iraq. Our soldiers are more likely to be killed at home on leave than in battle. No soldier has the right to call us cowards. They weren't here to defend us. They didn't take any bullets for us. It's not a case of them saving us and us all sitting around eating ice cream. We fight as a nation. They can't fight without our support, and they aren't taking all the risks. They choose to be targets and can prepare themselves for it. We get chosen.
Neither does volunteering for a life of danger and excitement involve any more courage than volunteering for a life mundane. Staying at home and raising children in a boring 9-5, but actually being there for your family. There is more than one type of courage.A life of camaraderie and adventure, or staying in every night to clean the piss of your aging father.
Courage isn't defined by "combat". There is much more to it than that. Neither is courage defined by volunteering. Courage is about overcoming your fears. How you get those fears is irrelevant. A group of healthy young and heavily armed men overcoming their fears is far less impressive to me than one lonely isolated invalid making a go of life.
I'm not prepared to concede for a moment that a soldier is so much more courageous that his opinion in society is of higher value even to that of a lowly pizzaboy. Pizzaboy takes his risks. Pays his way. He doesn't demand respect for his actions. No kudos for him. He just does the job. As it happens it turns out to be rather more dangerous, though less glamorous, than the job of a soldier. Should I pander to the ego's of the military? Allow myself to be bullied out of a say. I don't think so.
Do you think that being a soldier is the bravest thing you can do in life? Do you think people who don't enroll are cowards unworthy of a political voice?
Put like that, how could I not find crossing the road more courageous than patrolling Baghdad.
The breathtaking irony of the so called leaders of the free world arbitralily deciding the fate of other soveriegn nations like they have somehow been apointed to do so.
I love it... thanks for the humour, where would we be without you guys to remind us what the world could be like in the absence of the notion of manifest destiny.
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Yeah 20 percent over the next 10 years.
Britain was supposed to have reached 5% 2 years ago but we are currently stuck on 0.3% with new targets set for 15%.
Germany has had upto 30-40% biodiesal usage which is pretty impressive.
The trouble is without tax breaks, no one there buys it. It's either a subsidised fuel or it's too expensive for the end user.
In terms of national economics, it makes very little difference if you pay the extra at the pump or in taxes.
Biodiesal is however still 95% mineral diesal. It's a blend. That 20 percent should you achieve it, isn't going to reduce your oil dependancy by 20%. Not even by 1% in fact. Less than 1% is still a lot of oil, I confess, but it's not in the right ball park to break middle eastern dependancy.
And you still are going to have to use middle-eastern oil for the next 10 years before your oil dependance gets reduced by that less than 1% that biodiesal promises.
Iran will have the bomb in 2.
Biodiesal really isn't the solution. A very tiny step in the right direction, yes. But no solution.
We need middle eastern oil. 40% of our oil supply comes out of the Gulf. There really isn't any way round this. It's not like we haven't been trying to find a way out of this since the 70's.
Nice pipe dream, biodiesal, but that's all it is.
Like i stated before..this coming from people off a country who has the biggest amount of nukes is funny and ironic.And as i also stated the fact that you will claim the USA will only use it for "the good" is a matter of opinion caus what you may find a good thing could be a verry verry bad thing for me.
Going through all the previous posts i can only make one conclusion : You guys are scared off something you don't know anything about and too ignorant and stubborn to even try and comprehent it.You'd rather just nuke the wholemiddle-east than actually dig into the matter and see where the true problem lies.......within yourself....
Just because a few radicals caused the terror of 9/11 -wich i also found shocking btw and in no way a good thing - doesn't give you the right to start a holy war all over again.We've done that once remember and if you also remember correctly that didn't work out the way the christians had planned back then....
Before anyone starts guessing... i am european , dutch to be precise and i have no religion what so ever.
Well, let's put your European moral equivalency arguments to the test. Let Iran have nukes and see what happens. I live in the countryside, so I think i can survive any mischief those clowns make in some large Western city.
Oh, and tell your Dutch newspapers to hold off on the Allah cartoons, lest your new Islamo-fascist masters come down hard upon you.
First off it wasn't the dutch papers but the danish that caused all the fuzz....just to clarify that.
Secondly i did not state that i like the way my country handles things..in fact i was against their condolence of the war on iraq for the supposed weapons off mas destruction wich if i recall right never where found in the end...but whatever.I am against nukes in generaland if i should be the one to hand them out i'd surely hand them out on all sides just to be sure.And using the word fascist is soooooo 19th century.
On a sidenote it's also a known fact that the only countries really feeling strong bout war against Iran are Israell and America...the 2 sides with the most powerfull nukes.....the question is do you want a war for the benefit of mankind , or do you wanna stay the one nation to rule mankind?
So you invaded afghanistan....how's the situation there now for the inhabitants? Yeah right we did it to help the people free of the tiranny of Al Qaida ..bet they are much more happy now.
Then you invaded iraq....how's the situation there now for the inhabitants?Yeah right we did it to help the people free of the tranny of Saddam..bet they are much safer now.
And now invade iran.......and then in 20 years you're wondering why the wholemiddle-east is against you and REALLY starts working on a nucleair programm.....how does you're saying go: you reap what you sow .....
But like i mentioned before..i really hope Bush and his government do not represent the biggest part of the american people.....
I've been shot at school, does that count?
I've been bombed too. Have you?
You get to shoot back at the people shooting you. To charge them.
What's brave is to go back to the same spot the bombs went off yesterday, when you can't see them coming, when you can't fight back.
Which people were you suggesting are willing to take a bullet for me by the way?
It doesn't take much bravery to volunteer to take a bullet for someone who never gets shot at.
Want to do something really brave? Adopt a tramp.
Sorry but army worship isn't one of my hang ups. If you can't learn to respect civilians, don't expect them to respect you back.
If Iran gets nukes, nothing will happen to Europe, as we actually tried to solve everything diplomatically, without using terms such as "0mgz where gonna bombz u cuz we dont like u". By the way, have you ever been in europe to see for yourself what our morals are?
Ahmejinedad (sp) is certainly not a clown. He wants to lead his nation to a more important poistion in global affairs, which would lead to more responsibily on his side (which in turn would lead to a curve in radical ideas spreading from Iran). If you take the comments he made about Israel as serious, you should know that not even an idiot with 1/10th the IQ of Hitler would make such a mistake.
On another note, Iranian missiles cant even reach Europe.
If Iran even sent a Scud to Israel, the entire country would be bombed to pieces, and thats not even talking about the consequences of nuking israel (which they wouldnt do anyway, as Jerusalem is a holy city for the muslims).
The cartoons were Danish, which is a country in northern europe (as i doubt you know your geography about Europe too well). Our freedom of expression actually allows us to write those things, unlike another palce in the world i know where the Patriot Act is enforced.
Talking about The Netherlands, we've actually been quite sucessfull in curving radical islamism in our country (just take the Hofstad group as an example), while not going into as far as to start needing secret detentions centers (*cough Poland, Guantanamo) for those purposes.
I am not against American culture or its people, just against its current President's actions.
In the red zone it is never safe and no one ever says "Hey it is safe to get in your not armored vehicle and drive into the red zone."
Thats the difference, it is just as I said before. Those who have no bravery, will never no what it is, they will not have a concept of bravery and will not be able to grasp it.
It is not bravery to ride a subway that is said to be safe, just as it is not bravery to ride a roller coaster that someone died on. These things are check numerous times and are made to be safe. Iraq is not a place where your government can come in and make it safer, it is a zone of conflict where people die every day and terrorist attack every day.
There is a difference in riding a train that "COULD" be attacked but has only been attacked very few times and being in a place where you "WILL" be attacked by suicide bombers.
You can insult the troops bravery all you like, some are safer than others, such as the mechanics over there. However, the majority are not safe and are in the line of fire every day, suicide bombers are all over and so are insurgents. That is a war, not riding a subway that gets bombed once every 10 years. Would you rather ride a ride that was bombed once every 10 years or ride a ride that malfunctioned every day. I will leave it up to everyone to make that decision I am sure we all know which one people will pick.
Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!
IF iran would attack any country in the world, well perhaps not north korea, they would be huge morons. using nukes as a weapon of war is really stupid because you would have nuclear missles in your backyard at the same time. nuclear missle aren't weapons of war but weapons of politics. using threats like nuclear attacks is nothing more than bluff, it's like a weaker version of the cold war.
here's my good advice don't attack, talk but don't critize there religion or goverment. use a political game of chess not a game of war. oh and don't call country's the root of evil or terrorisme, no wonder the threat with nuclear missle. the are not evil just different.
You are more likely to get killed crossing the road in New York.
If you want to think troops are braver than other people that's up to you. I have more respect for the bravery of wheelchair bound children than I ever will soldiers. Soldiers have the choice. They chose to be brave. they place themselves voluntarily in a position of danger. A lot of people don't have that option.
Insulting the bravery of civilians doesn't prove the bravery of the military mind to me. It demonstrates it's ignorance.
Subways round here used to get bombed 3 times a week every week for 10 years in a row. Not "once every 10 years". In the Blitz thousands of bombs dropped every night. Did you really think you had to be in the army to know war? To face fear, to confront terror.
You should count yourself lucky. The army gives you the opportunity to conquer your fears. You get a gun and something you can do about it. A means to defend yourself. No one here ever did.
Try living in the red zone without a gun. Without any body armour. Without an armoured vehicle to drive around in. What's so brave about being a soldier? Try it as a civilian.
I don't idolise soldiers. I'm quite happy to insult a soldiers bravery. It's no big deal for me. I can think of any number of civilians who demonstrate extreme bravery in even the most domestic of circumstances. Courage means more to me than something I saw in Saving Private Ryan or my willingness to fight or risk physical harm. Being a soldier may have made you a man, but that isn't the only way to get there.
No respect garners no respect. Military people who cannot respect others outside of the military are not people I show deference to. They have integration issues which they need to address before they de-mob.
You obviously have hate towards the military and anyone in it. You are not gonna change your opinion even with others knowing your insult was not warranted and not needed. You insult people for no reason on a daily basis?
Perhaps you should be more cool and not insult people without reason, you don't know the whole of the army. You tip toe yourself right into another subject to make yourself feel better, the people who don't tip toe call you on your unwarranted insults.
If you still in that whole 5th and 6th grade insult someone cause they are not like you mind set, grow up.
This is the last time I will be posting in this thread, I think me and some other people find what you say offensive. I will not report you like you did me though, so have a nice day tip toeing and trying to make yourself seem more brave and moral, people are not buying it, and you are obviously not buying it yourself.
p.s. I wonder what kind of person who throw out insults like you do then try to report me for saying a person is a jerk off if he insults the bravery of his countries troops. Truly the question boggles the mind, however I think me and quite a few people know what kind of person does that.
Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!
I haven't reported you for anything.
Neither am I turning anything around nor insulting you.
I respect the opinions of civilians to decide whether or not the military should be called to war, I don't respect military men who don't.
I don't consider enroilling in the military a mark of courage above that of many other more dangerous jobs.
I have no hatred for the military. As previously mentioned I take pride in them.
I am perplexed as to how someone of your intelligence can't see the difference between a pedestrian and a soldier as far as bravery goes Baff.
A soldier volunteers to be a part of that danger, he willingly puts himself into the line of fire in an attempt to make it so that those pedestrians don't have to. People on the street aren't going to work with any kind of thought that "yeah I might get bombed today" they just go to work and assume nothing will happen because the chances of it are so slim...whereas, an individual soldier goes to work saying "yeah there's a good chance that I could very well be bombed today"
It doesn't matter that more people get killed by drunk drivers or gang related violence. The fact still stands that those men are volunteering to go to a place where combat, death, and violence, is the norm...those things are NOT the norm for your average worker comuting to his or her job.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
That depends where you live. Many people in many streets do think they might get bombed today. I've lived in that climate of fear. You don't have to go to Iraq.
Statistically crossing a busy road is more dangerous than being deployed in Iraq. Although being a soldier sounds all dangerous and self sacrificing, and even is, this does not undermine that other more mundane sounding pursuits are also dangerous and also involve self sacrifice. People volunteer for them too.
I do not buy into the concept of a soldier saving the average Joe in the street. He saves his buddies on deployment if he can, but the average Joe in the street, he leaves behind in a different country completely and goes off to foreign lands to seek glory in battle or later on when he's a bit older, just get paid.
The idea that a soldier in Iraq has taken a bullet for me is quite simply preposterous. I've never been to Iraq. Any bullet he took, wasn't mine. Iraq is not a defensive war, it is an aggressive one. Soldiers in Iraq are not saving anybody from their home countries at all. We are in fact in much greater danger at home for them being there. They didn't take a bullet for me, any more than the 147 that died in London took a bomb for the troops. Nor is that in the minds of the troops as they go out on patrol.
We've lost more civilians than we have soldiers over Iraq. Our soldiers are more likely to be killed at home on leave than in battle. No soldier has the right to call us cowards. They weren't here to defend us. They didn't take any bullets for us. It's not a case of them saving us and us all sitting around eating ice cream. We fight as a nation. They can't fight without our support, and they aren't taking all the risks. They choose to be targets and can prepare themselves for it. We get chosen.
Neither does volunteering for a life of danger and excitement involve any more courage than volunteering for a life mundane. Staying at home and raising children in a boring 9-5, but actually being there for your family. There is more than one type of courage.A life of camaraderie and adventure, or staying in every night to clean the piss of your aging father.
Courage isn't defined by "combat". There is much more to it than that. Neither is courage defined by volunteering. Courage is about overcoming your fears. How you get those fears is irrelevant. A group of healthy young and heavily armed men overcoming their fears is far less impressive to me than one lonely isolated invalid making a go of life.
I'm not prepared to concede for a moment that a soldier is so much more courageous that his opinion in society is of higher value even to that of a lowly pizzaboy. Pizzaboy takes his risks. Pays his way. He doesn't demand respect for his actions. No kudos for him. He just does the job. As it happens it turns out to be rather more dangerous, though less glamorous, than the job of a soldier. Should I pander to the ego's of the military? Allow myself to be bullied out of a say. I don't think so.
Do you think that being a soldier is the bravest thing you can do in life? Do you think people who don't enroll are cowards unworthy of a political voice?
Put like that, how could I not find crossing the road more courageous than patrolling Baghdad.
when you triangulate an iranian missile hitting your land you go and take em out.
until then,you construct a defence that is suicidal to attack
wow,i'm an intercontinental overlord..or some guy sitting where you're sitting
usa will do what israel need
teh jewish neocon rules usa and 90% of teh world
edit: btw usa military cant atack iran..
iran isnt defenseless...like iraq was
you forget about russia..who can still nuke all the swimming pools in usa
they will not be happy with overpowered antimissle defence
new cold war?
"what should WE do about Iran"
The breathtaking irony of the so called leaders of the free world arbitralily deciding the fate of other soveriegn nations like they have somehow been apointed to do so.
I love it... thanks for the humour, where would we be without you guys to remind us what the world could be like in the absence of the notion of manifest destiny.
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