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Blah Blah Blah... the risks of one choice are worse than the risks of another choice.
But the facts are we are talking about current climate changes that are less than a degree temperature change on average over a century.
Humans have survived climate changes that were much more extreme. There have been periods were the earth was 25 degrees warmer on average. There have been periods where the earth was 25 degrees colder on average. Humans survived both of those situations.
So if the earth gets warmer I will move north. BFD. The animals migrate because of the temperature, why shouldn't we?
Blah Blah Blah... the risks of one choice are worse than the risks of another choice.
But the facts are we are talking about current climate changes that are less than a degree temperature change on average over a century.
Humans have survived climate changes that were much more extreme. There have been periods were the earth was 25 degrees warmer on average. There have been periods where the earth was 25 degrees colder on average. Humans survived both of those situations.
So if the earth gets warmer I will move north. BFD. The animals migrate because of the temperature, why shouldn't we?
Blah... I am tired of hearing this crap.
But..... but..... were all gonna die MAN!!!!
Incidentally did you know its a statistical fact that 100% of non smokers die!!
True.....
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But..... but..... were all gonna die MAN!!!! Incidentally did you know its a statistical fact that 100% of non smokers die!! True.....
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Not the "what's the worst that can happen?" guy again! That's at least the fourth time he's been posted here in the last two weeks. I believe his argument is flawed - as I explained in an earlier thread. Please make him go away now!
Edit: Here's how it should look:
Now, based on the real worst case scenarios, which is better? A or B?
It is also a way for governments in power to suppress lesser developed governments.
If and when natural resources like natural gas and petrolium oil run out. The technologicaly advanced societies will have the means to survive and profit off of the less tehnologically advanced societies.
This global warming thing is just another layer of control.
This is the cue for someone to hijack the topic on to dolphin welfare...
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This global warming thing is just another layer of control.
I see where you got confused. You're referring to the "War on Terror". See the Patriot Act for details. Think about it.
What better way to keep lesser powerful peoples or governments down? Get the world to believe that there is a global problem that impedes industrialization. By the time the lesser peoples and governments catch on they are decades behind in research. That means these lesser peoples and governments become dependent on other technologies that they cannot produce because of their lack of industrialization.
I believe dumping toxic chemicals into our air, water, and soil without restriction might just be a bad idea.
Agreed, gross pollution is wrong. It is accepted that those are bad practices. But, the global warming fanatics believe that halting technological progress is in our best interest.
No one is talking about halting technological advancement. Quite the opposite actually. Most environmentalists are lobbying for cleaner energy sources such as solar, wind, geothermal, and hydrogen. We can make a device that can place phone calls, play music, access the internet, and tell us our exact position on the planet but we still rely on the black goop that we pump out of the ground.
The most important part of reading is reading between the lines.
No one is talking about halting technological advancement. Quite the opposite actually. Most environmentalists are lobbying for cleaner energy sources such as solar, wind, geothermal, and hydrogen. We can make a device that can place phone calls, play music, access the internet, and tell us our exact position on the planet but we still rely on the black goop that we pump out of the ground.
Sure, industriailzed countries are capable of that.
My argument is that the industrialized countries are placing sanctions and lobbying for the under-developed countries not to advance solely because they contain rainforests or old growth forests.
It isn't fair to place the onus to conserve natural forests on under-developed countries when we have already depleted our forests in modern areas.
In the end, it is nice to have all countries equally acknowledge the need for natural conservation. But it is not fair that less developed counties should impede their progress because other countries have over depleted themselves.
It is not the fault of rainforest countries to provide the oxygen for the world. They have just as much right to develop as the next country.
But, we have learned that there is an impact to plowing under forest for industrial land. That is a double edged sword. Allow the coutries to economically prosper and damn our environment or put sanctions on them and keep then in the dark ages?
Our government chooses to keep them in the dark ages.
I'm not sure which developing nations are being forced to stay in dark ages? (I don't know much about politics... What exactly does rain forest have to do with it? unless there's no city?)
You know, From the article, Gold Farmers in China make about 100 U.S. dollars a month... Average Vietnamese makes 50-100 U.S. dollars a month... Very poor economy...
Beyond that, my grandpa went to Vietnam and just came back a few days ago... In the city, there's no plants or trees at all... He said they got rid of it, and its hot as hell more than ever before. They're somewhat dealing with the pollution in the ponds and water, but it's still black--just not black as ink anymore. My gramps say it smells horrible, and probably bad to breathe there due to pollution, but the people alround there have gotten used to the smell...
Anyways, I think something gotta be done about natural resources and pollution... Btw, I blame the poor economy due to the market businesses and greedy corporations...
Edit: rephrasing a sentence... Products sell for half-price compared to here, but the workers/employees get 30 times less pay over there. Basically, imagine the price of everything here being multiplied by 15 times... Effectively, you have poverty...( Keep in mind though, some people do okay over there, because relatives over here send like $100 dollars per month to them... it's like doubling their pay)
It is also a way for governments in power to suppress lesser developed governments.
If and when natural resources like natural gas and petrolium oil run out. The technologicaly advanced societies will have the means to survive and profit off of the less tehnologically advanced societies.
This global warming thing is just another layer of control.
WOW, we actually agree on something. Yes it is another form of control. If you were to create mass fear without a real enemy how to do it.
Global Warming can fit into that category. gpett, very good analogy
It's not just governments. There is a massive market for this kind stuff. It's very popular.
All you have to say is that aliens are invading and the world is going to end, and people will believe you. The government doesn't make them, they want to. Half the people in the government want to as well.
Every one loves a bit of the old apocalypse. Brings out the righteous in us all.
It's not just governments. There is a massive market for this kind stuff. It's very popular.
All you have to say is that aliens are invading and the world is going to end, and people will believe you. The government doesn't make them, they want to. Half the people in the government want to as well.
Every one loves a bit of the old apocalypse. Brings out the righteous in us all.
NOOO now they even got the econnomy in their hand. Curse you Governments en your little puppet Al Gore. ad punisment i will drivwe my big SUV instead of my economical japanese car. wich reminds me. the government has stocks in the hybrid car market. if we aal bought hybrid cars like they want us to the stocks will go up and they'll be richer than they are now.
dolphin welfare? what has dolphin welfare to do with governments creating the global warming illusion
Well its already happened... the very next post took the topic off on the tangent of toxic pollutants. I call that the standard dolphin welfar hijack tactic.
The topic of Co2 driving the climate is a totally seperate topic to that of polution, deforestation, over consumption etc etc etc. Yet as soon as someone runs out of baloney pseudo science arguments to try and make out Co2 has ANYTHING to do with driving the climate they immediately adopt the fallback position of "oh but pollution is bad" or "dont you care about the environment". 2 totally seperate topics and I certainly care more about the environment that most people do about the credibility of their own arguments.
Thats why its pointless debating this topic, coz no one can stay on it long enough to get anywhere... they just drift off into dolphin fantasies everytime.
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Tinfoil hats on! Especially governments in countries which doesn't have as strong economical power should be extra careful with wearing Tinfoil hats the most of the time.
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EDIT: being serious, i didn't read it but i know it involves a heated debate involving car emission and factories
Check out the MUD I'm making!
Second, you are wrong.
Check out the MUD I'm making!
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
But the facts are we are talking about current climate changes that are less than a degree temperature change on average over a century.
Humans have survived climate changes that were much more extreme. There have been periods were the earth was 25 degrees warmer on average. There have been periods where the earth was 25 degrees colder on average. Humans survived both of those situations.
So if the earth gets warmer I will move north. BFD. The animals migrate because of the temperature, why shouldn't we?
Blah... I am tired of hearing this crap.
But..... but..... were all gonna die MAN!!!!
Incidentally did you know its a statistical fact that 100% of non smokers die!!
True.....
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Edit: Here's how it should look:
Now, based on the real worst case scenarios, which is better? A or B?
If and when natural resources like natural gas and petrolium oil run out. The technologicaly advanced societies will have the means to survive and profit off of the less tehnologically advanced societies.
This global warming thing is just another layer of control.
+-+-+-+-+-+
"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
-+-+-+-+-+-+
"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
The most important part of reading is reading between the lines.
What better way to keep lesser powerful peoples or governments down? Get the world to believe that there is a global problem that impedes industrialization. By the time the lesser peoples and governments catch on they are decades behind in research. That means these lesser peoples and governments become dependent on other technologies that they cannot produce because of their lack of industrialization.
This is a war of propoganda and misinformation.
What do you believe?
The most important part of reading is reading between the lines.
The most important part of reading is reading between the lines.
My argument is that the industrialized countries are placing sanctions and lobbying for the under-developed countries not to advance solely because they contain rainforests or old growth forests.
It isn't fair to place the onus to conserve natural forests on under-developed countries when we have already depleted our forests in modern areas.
In the end, it is nice to have all countries equally acknowledge the need for natural conservation. But it is not fair that less developed counties should impede their progress because other countries have over depleted themselves.
It is not the fault of rainforest countries to provide the oxygen for the world. They have just as much right to develop as the next country.
But, we have learned that there is an impact to plowing under forest for industrial land. That is a double edged sword. Allow the coutries to economically prosper and damn our environment or put sanctions on them and keep then in the dark ages?
Our government chooses to keep them in the dark ages.
I'm not sure which developing nations are being forced to stay in dark ages? (I don't know much about politics... What exactly does rain forest have to do with it? unless there's no city?)
You know, From the article, Gold Farmers in China make about 100 U.S. dollars a month... Average Vietnamese makes 50-100 U.S. dollars a month... Very poor economy...
Beyond that, my grandpa went to Vietnam and just came back a few days ago... In the city, there's no plants or trees at all... He said they got rid of it, and its hot as hell more than ever before. They're somewhat dealing with the pollution in the ponds and water, but it's still black--just not black as ink anymore. My gramps say it smells horrible, and probably bad to breathe there due to pollution, but the people alround there have gotten used to the smell...
Anyways, I think something gotta be done about natural resources and pollution... Btw, I blame the poor economy due to the market businesses and greedy corporations...
Edit: rephrasing a sentence... Products sell for half-price compared to here, but the workers/employees get 30 times less pay over there. Basically, imagine the price of everything here being multiplied by 15 times... Effectively, you have poverty...( Keep in mind though, some people do okay over there, because relatives over here send like $100 dollars per month to them... it's like doubling their pay)
Global Warming can fit into that category. gpett, very good analogy
Not to mention a massive waste.
Ingest them directly for maximum fun.
People love to hear about the end of the world.
If you wrote a book about it, it would sell.
If you made a film about it, people would go and see it.
If you made a radio play of a book about it, people would abjectly panic in the street upon hearing it.
If you were a really depressive person and made a pop song about it, it would go to number 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qhWf8v15AU
It's not just governments. There is a massive market for this kind stuff. It's very popular.
All you have to say is that aliens are invading and the world is going to end, and people will believe you. The government doesn't make them, they want to. Half the people in the government want to as well.
Every one loves a bit of the old apocalypse. Brings out the righteous in us all.
Not to mention a massive waste.
Ingest them directly for maximum fun.
People love to hear about the end of the world.
If you wrote a book about it, it would sell.
If you made a film about it, people would go and see it.
If you made a radio play of a book about it, people would abjectly panic in the street upon hearing it.
If you were a really depressive person and made a pop song about it, it would go to number 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qhWf8v15AU
It's not just governments. There is a massive market for this kind stuff. It's very popular.
All you have to say is that aliens are invading and the world is going to end, and people will believe you. The government doesn't make them, they want to. Half the people in the government want to as well.
Every one loves a bit of the old apocalypse. Brings out the righteous in us all.
NOOO now they even got the econnomy in their hand. Curse you Governments en your little puppet Al Gore. ad punisment i will drivwe my big SUV instead of my economical japanese car. wich reminds me. the government has stocks in the hybrid car market. if we aal bought hybrid cars like they want us to the stocks will go up and they'll be richer than they are now.
Well its already happened... the very next post took the topic off on the tangent of toxic pollutants. I call that the standard dolphin welfar hijack tactic.
The topic of Co2 driving the climate is a totally seperate topic to that of polution, deforestation, over consumption etc etc etc. Yet as soon as someone runs out of baloney pseudo science arguments to try and make out Co2 has ANYTHING to do with driving the climate they immediately adopt the fallback position of "oh but pollution is bad" or "dont you care about the environment". 2 totally seperate topics and I certainly care more about the environment that most people do about the credibility of their own arguments.
Thats why its pointless debating this topic, coz no one can stay on it long enough to get anywhere... they just drift off into dolphin fantasies everytime.
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
-+-+-+-+-+-+
"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
Tinfoil hats on! Especially governments in countries which doesn't have as strong economical power should be extra careful with wearing Tinfoil hats the most of the time.