I'm almost sure there will be some kids on the game cuz they have stupid parents. but your right.. "responsible" parents wont let their chaps play.
i just hope ill be lucky enough to play with a mature playerbase. but then again... i try not to let dumb kids ruin my gaming experience. so we'll see
Hell... you know most parents won't take responsibility, in America it is much easier to create a public outcry and sue a gaming company than it is to admit you're a shitting parent.
Not only in America parents love suing people, if they sue the company, people will think they're doing a great job parenting, if they go to a bakery and say: "hi, could i get a loaf of bread, o, did i forget to say that i allow my kids to play sexual games ?" well.. i suppose that'll be the last time you'll enter that bakery
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AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Stellos
I could see it going either way. Of course it will help keep younger players from playing, however, are younger players usually the problem? Of course they hurt the Role-Playing aspect of the game, but they are not typically griefers.
If you think about it parents wont let little kids play the game because of the ingame nudity and the obvious mature content.
Therefor almost every person playing will be either mature teens or adults, kids will be forced out of playing the game by there parents.
This will for very first time in mmorpg's make the playerbase almost all mature older people.
No more little kids running around cursing and screaming and ruining game play for others.
I hope they put on the Box in very large letters "NUDITY" "18+" and "GORE" it will make any parent say hell no tot here stupid kids when they ask for it.
Most people in for example wow that act immature, the ones that beg for gold, dance on mail boxes etc are over 18. In fact i have met more mature 14-16 year olds in that game than i have 30+ year olds which there are a lot of.
At the end of the day half naked women are not going to bring mature players to the game, it will bring immature. Mature people wont care about the nude models it wont bring them to the game, it is the other features in the game that bring people that are mature to it not all these gimmics like excessive blood, nudity, sex buffs ( not sure if its been confirmed ) npcs taking a piss etc
Also look at games like GTA to see how a rating means absolutley nothing, a mature rated game generally attracts more immature people than mature, its a fact of gaming always has been. Hopefully these people will be easy to ignore since there will be a lot of them.
immature people have low attention span, they'll just go "ehehehe...boobies" for a while and then get bored and hop to a next game leaving AoC for mature players.
Took your sweet time to post tht beating a dead horse thing eh Fonz
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I would love to agree with the OP, but history has proven that many parents will buy anything for their kids if it will only shut them up for a while.
Case in point, GTA:SA. How many kids played this game, and how many lawsuits were there because the "evil" gaming company didn't do enough to protect the children. I mean... other than the "M" and eventually "AO" rating.
People are stupid, people are lazy. If it gets their kid out of their hair, some parents are going to let their kid play it. Others will let thier kids play because the kids won't stop bugging about it. Others because ALL the other kids are doing it.
I wish it weren't so, but sadly it is.
Also, SWG back Pre-CU had a very mature population (at least on wanderhome server) game was complex, and had a learning curve. Kids hate a hard game they can't beat in 20 minutes. Sadly, that is the only way to have a kid free game. Make it hard, and no "uber" loot.
I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self. --Aristotle
There are a lot of stupid adults as well, and some perfectly fine adults become morons or jackasses behind the computers when the anonymity of internet suddenly takes over.
I have re-thought this issue. I really do not think it will make a difference whatsoever. Sure the real young kids may not be as likely to play, but that doens't do anything about the adolescent kids that are typically the immature players. Since I do not feel that it will hurt the game, I'm now glad that there will be some boobies on some demon chicks lol. I suppose it adds to the hard core vibe of the game.
Stellos I wish you were correct that game content has no relationship to the type of game community it attracts, but my experience has been otherwise. I think most of us would agree that the player base in "hardcore" pvp games such as Shadowbane for example is somewhat dissimilar from the community on say a UO role play server like Seige Perilous.
A few responders assumed that those opposed to seeing nudity and intercourse as game content do so because we expect to be somehow shocked by the sight of an unclad female. Guys! Reality check. I see an unclad female everytime I take a bath. That really isn't the issue.
The issue for me is if I'm going to be spending a big chunk of my leisure time for the next year with a group of people, I really don't want to feel like the car broke down and I just walked into a ghetto bar to place a phone call, every time I log into the game. And believe me adult content can do that.
Funcom's first MMORPG, AO was one of the first I tried when I started to play and while I really enjoyed the game at first, eventually I quit playing due mainly to the community and content. It's the only game where my toon was ever invited to a private threesome with a couple. It's the only game where a member of the group tried to describe his personal equipment to me in detail. It's the only game where I could walk through the town and see players simulating oral contact on a regular basis in game. The last time I logged in a guy was recruiting for his in game "harem", describing his women in graphic detail and trying to solicite other female players in the viscinity to join in the "fun". The game was no longer an enjoyable place to be.
I'd hoped this time around Funcom would aim for a game world a little more user friendly for the gender that represents the fastest growing demographic of gamers in the world, but looks like they not only went down the path of least resistance but upped the ante as well. As for the issue being a dead horse, I've learned that until a game goes gold anything can and sometimes does happen.
I thought most woman in Conan world are portrayed as such, it just being true to the lore/genre.
I mean this is Hyboria we are talking about, not some CHASTITY ONLINE...where you roleplay monks/nuns, I don't think they aren't going to display sexual intercourse in any graphical manner.. Maybe a loading screen when you visit the brothel or whatever to get the "sex buff"...
An MMORPG does not get a generalization in terms of a community(Example: SWG is going to be mature because there's some tatas in the game) There's a few big factors that truly will tell you what type of community you're going to deal with.
A.The way in which The Developers, The Community Service Reps, and The Game Designers treat the player base. If they start treating us like were dumb kids who won't understand(chances are they piss away alot of the player-base)
B.The Complexity of the game. Yes I hate to classify something like Maturity does mean complexity which isn't entirely true. It simply means that Complexity in a game weeds out the immature people. The immature people tend to be less patient and less strategic about there game play.
In the end this game will have a mature community. Not because some tatas are being shown though. Because the developers treat us like mature players and because the game requires maturity to survive(particularly in pvp)
Originally posted by rubydragon5 If you think about it parents wont let little kids play the game because of the ingame nudity and the obvious mature content.Therefor almost every person playing will be either mature teens or adults, kids will be forced out of playing the game by there parents.This will for very first time in mmorpg's make the playerbase almost all mature older people.No more little kids running around cursing and screaming and ruining game play for others.I hope they put on the Box in very large letters "NUDITY" "18+" and "GORE" it will make any parent say hell no tot here stupid kids when they ask for it.
Just because you are old enough to buy porn or booze doesn't make you a mature player.
If you think about it parents wont let little kids play the game because of the ingame nudity and the obvious mature content.
Therefor almost every person playing will be either mature teens or adults, kids will be forced out of playing the game by there parents. This will for very first time in mmorpg's make the playerbase almost all mature older people. No more little kids running around cursing and screaming and ruining game play for others. I hope they put on the Box in very large letters "NUDITY" "18+" and "GORE" it will make any parent say hell no tot here stupid kids when they ask for it.
Just because you are old enough to buy porn or booze doesn't make you a mature player.
AND THAT is 100% true.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
I'll not go into the lore debate -- I'm not one of the designers on the team -- but I do want to comment on how Funcom tries to show how Age of Conan is a mature title when we do demonstrations.
I certainly understand that some people think it's a case of "shooting yourself in the foot" when you talk about female nudity to make a case on the game's level of maturity. However, nudity is an important ingredient when selling the game's mature theme and it is one of the best ways of showing it during a short demonstration in front of people who are not already familiar with the game. Most if not all MMOs out there right now have little to no nudity, and we really want to hammer home the fact that we have it in Age of Conan. It is a central element of the lore, so it's only natural for us to for instance show off the bare breasted succubus, even though it might be interpreted as a "haha, look, boobies!" sort of thing. It is, of course, not.
The fact that Age of Conan has a mature world is something we really want to point out to people when they first see and hear about the game. People are so used to elves, fairies and teen rated MMOs now, and we're very proud of the fact that we're aiming for a mature rating. That's why we bring up subjects such as nudity, heavy drinking, pirates urinating, heads flying etc. The danger of all this is that it might come across as immature, and we might have to be more careful on how we word ourselves in future demonstrations.
Another thing to keep in mind is that you guys and girls have seen hundreds of different demonstrations, and when you see the succbus breasts being pointed out for the one hundredth time, I am sure it gets very old. But for people who has not seen the game yet, who is used to playing other MMOs, that "ingredient" right there is enough to put a bit of a shock into them and to really underline the point that we're trying to do something different here. There are of course plenty of other things in there that makes Age of Conan a mature game -- the level of violence, the quest themes, the conversations etc. -- but right then and there , during these short demonstrations, that bit of nudity really sends the message home. We will, of course, try and show you more of how the maturity is reflected in the game.
Again, thanks for all the constructive criticism. Keep it coming, but be nice!
This was posted today, on the official boards Here and I feel is pertinent to this thread. You know the bottom line is if you are really worried about the game being infested more so that other with kids, then the best thing to do is wait for the game to come out and then re-visit this. Because to be honest its getting kinda tiring now.
IMO you can compare a single player M rated games to an MMORPG, especially when monthly payments are concerned and game types are different overall.
People like Gormandy above are just TROLLS with a set agenda of hate. Even using the word GAY in a degrogatory way...
....... A Mature playerbase because of boobs?............... Tell me your joking..... don't even get my started on sex buffs please, clearly you haven't checked out WoW recently, if scantily clad night elves are the main populace what do you think will happen with the 'warrior women'?......
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Well.. In my own opinion I think it'll attract more of those little perverted retards to the game.. sadly.
People keep predicting that there'll be a lot of perverts in the game because of the nudity. As far as we've seen, there's one dungeon where you can see a boss' breasts. I doubt people looking for nudity will bother playing for a couple of months just to see a couple of breasts.
Clearly you were never 13.
I was 13 once and the easiest way to see breasts is not from playing a video game that you have to subscribe to. All you have to do is spell a normal internet site address incorrectly and bickety bam you see some breasts and a hell of a lot more.
How does one know if they are old school? Heres one way, the first out and out nudity you ever saw came at the expense of your dads "hidden" stash of magazines, not the internet
I'm pretty disappointed to see the nudity. I am a big fan of boobs, myself... but video game boobs don't do anything for me. It just means I can't play the game with my son, or even when he is in the room... so it probably means I'll just skip the game. My son is a very mature 11, but he still doesn't need to play a game where the titties just fly in the breeze. My wife would have my head on a pike if she found out i allowed it anyway. So the OP is right, it will keep young children away.... but it will also alienate a lot of adults. I agree with the guys saying this just means the game will be full of 16 - 23 year old ass-hats. I would compare them to the xbox live player-base, but I don';t have to... since you will actually be playing this game along with the xbox live guys, you already know exactly what level of maturity to expect.
I agree that there will be adult ass-hats too. Your practically saying 16=23 year old are the faults of this immaturity. And if your son was "mature" as you say, then he would really mind these "titties" flying over the screen. You just say, "son these are breasts, they are ont he female body where you had your first sip of milk."
Why do parents do such a bad job at parenting these days? It's just really funny how parents can't really "bond" with their kids and have a "real" talk about body parts to educate their children.
Flame on woot. Not really, it's fact, cause look at this generation of teenagers, most of us are retarded as hell, most of us do drugs and think we are "cool". Yet there's that small % of teenagers that can handle this, and act maturely in the real world and in games. So yes, adults can also be blamed for this maturity, just you can't really tell if it's an adult being immature or a teenager being mature, and vice versa.
a big part of maturity is gained from life experience. Certain things youd never think about as a teenager, for example. If I sat down with a boy, and said okay son here are some boobs, now let me explain em to ya. Now said son runs to school the next day and blurts to his friends "My dad showed me pictures of boobs!" How long do you think it will be before the parent will find him or herself under the scrutiny of the authorities? whether it be school officials, or children and family services, or whatever law may get involved.
Second Id like to point out that not only are you not unique in your rant, you are in fact a cliche. Do you think YOU and YOUR generation of teens are the first to be treated and generalized in this manner? Hardly, the only difference I see between yours and generations past is that your generation is far more heavily influenced by the media, by the corporations looking to profit off of you, and worst of all lack of parental guidance.
P.S. When you have kids of your own, and start to actually understand the rigors involved in the whole process, then you can comment on bad parenting. Until then you are simply making assumptions with a mind not fully devoloped either physically, mentally, or emotionally.
Basically, they're aiming at a maturity level of Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit, not Hot Coffee/GTA. I can't think of any 13-year olds getting Fahrenheit and finishing it to see "zomg bewbies" near the end.
Now playing: City of Heroes/Villains, Age of Conan
You forget that most parents dont care enough now-a-days, I wont be letting my kid play anything even close to this game....but late night....ill be maxin
I'll not go into the lore debate -- I'm not one of the designers on the team -- but I do want to comment on how Funcom tries to show how Age of Conan is a mature title when we do demonstrations.
I certainly understand that some people think it's a case of "shooting yourself in the foot" when you talk about female nudity to make a case on the game's level of maturity. However, nudity is an important ingredient when selling the game's mature theme and it is one of the best ways of showing it during a short demonstration in front of people who are not already familiar with the game. Most if not all MMOs out there right now have little to no nudity, and we really want to hammer home the fact that we have it in Age of Conan. It is a central element of the lore, so it's only natural for us to for instance show off the bare breasted succubus, even though it might be interpreted as a "haha, look, boobies!" sort of thing. It is, of course, not.
The fact that Age of Conan has a mature world is something we really want to point out to people when they first see and hear about the game. People are so used to elves, fairies and teen rated MMOs now, and we're very proud of the fact that we're aiming for a mature rating. That's why we bring up subjects such as nudity, heavy drinking, pirates urinating, heads flying etc. The danger of all this is that it might come across as immature, and we might have to be more careful on how we word ourselves in future demonstrations.
Another thing to keep in mind is that you guys and girls have seen hundreds of different demonstrations, and when you see the succbus breasts being pointed out for the one hundredth time, I am sure it gets very old. But for people who has not seen the game yet, who is used to playing other MMOs, that "ingredient" right there is enough to put a bit of a shock into them and to really underline the point that we're trying to do something different here. There are of course plenty of other things in there that makes Age of Conan a mature game -- the level of violence, the quest themes, the conversations etc. -- but right then and there , during these short demonstrations, that bit of nudity really sends the message home. We will, of course, try and show you more of how the maturity is reflected in the game.
Again, thanks for all the constructive criticism. Keep it coming, but be nice!
This was posted today, on the official boards Here and I feel is pertinent to this thread. You know the bottom line is if you are really worried about the game being infested more so that other with kids, then the best thing to do is wait for the game to come out and then re-visit this. Because to be honest its getting kinda tiring now. IMO you can compare a single player M rated games to an MMORPG, especially when monthly payments are concerned and game types are different overall. People like Gormandy above are just TROLLS with a set agenda of hate. Even using the word GAY in a degrogatory way...
That post though says they are going for an mature game, and he is illustrating how it goes about doing that. And they have created what would be in a mature game, but as the topic question asks will this bring mature crowd and as has been proven with past games no it doesnt, and gta is far more "mature" than this game is at the end of the day and it probably has one of the worst communities in any game out there. (Thats not to say their arent mature people who play it)
The people posting are just sticking to topic well most anyway, who said they wont play it? people play wow at the end of the day and it hardly has a mature community, but as with all games there will always be people that you can mix with in them sometimes they are a smaller minority rather than a majority though.
Majority of people that think that this game wont attract a mature crowd will still play it, if a games good then i couldn't give a shit how many morons play it, and im pretty sure thats how a lot of people feel. Community is just a plus to be added to the game for the most part, its always a mixed bag of people no matter the game.
He is right in that they have to be careful how they market themselfs since they are on the fine line between portraying a mature game and a immature game, and at the end of the day they have not done that. Tbh if you want your game to look mature, the first shocking thing you should show is decapitations, then all the excessive blood and combat, hell if you want to show a mature game why would you even mention or point out the nudity or npcs pissing? it doesn't scream maturity at all.
What i mean is the nudity, the npc pissing, etc are part of the atmosphere, its the same as for instance wow where theres little critters everywhere to make the world seem more interesting, but they dont market the critters, why?
Because its just part of the enviroment you don't need to emphasize that if you did then the game would look like a disney game but if they dont focus on the critters which are no more important than the nudity in age of conan then they portray the game as a serious world that just happens to have critters etc around to make that world more alive its something you discover in game that fits with the world.
And to be clear i am just talking about presentation in this thread, we all know that wow is anything but a serious world that for instance the cgi trailers would suggest when we play it, but if you never played it and never read anything about wow for instance then what would the first thing that you think? well its been shown already most presumed pre release that wow was a pvp game/pve game full of war basically going for what warhammer is hell until they started adding raid dungeons and instanced pvp the game was mostly about pvp but that bits off topic so i wont elaborate.
Thats what age of conan is like you see them focus on what is just gimmics to add to the atnosphere and it doesn't portray the game as the mature barbaric world that hyboria(sp?) is meant to be but as a game that relies on gimmics to sell it self. Also think about the conan films they have half naked women in but does the camera zoom in on any of that no not to any extent i can remember anyway, because then it would portray the film as cheap and nasty.
At the moment all age of conan has shown is videos and demonstration pointing out these specific features and really empasizing them, it is not shocking not in todays world atleast it just portrays the game as the complete opposite of a mature, serious world.
And they still dont put much empathis on the main parts of the game ive seen more gimmics advertised than i have decent videos actually showing what is in the game. And unthoughtuantly when they do show the meat of the game it is usually doesnt look all that impressive, im trying to say that in a neutral way probably doesnt come across as that when i type since for all we know the main parts of the game are great but they arent presented in that manor.
Hopefully that post is clear, i am not bashing age of conan but the way in which the game is presented when it is meant to be a mature game with mature content, and like i said for all we know the gameplay is great but this topic is about the presentation of the game and what kind of people it will most likely draw in because of that presentation not the game play it self.
....... A Mature playerbase because of boobs?............... Tell me your joking..... don't even get my started on sex buffs please, clearly you haven't checked out WoW recently, if scantily clad night elves are the main populace what do you think will happen with the 'warrior women'?......
If you take a second to look at it, in game nudity doesn't force a mature playerbase in the least. It's the rating of M that forces a mature playerbase.
Look at this for a second, by AoC creating a game with an M rating they are trying to push the buck to the stores for them to monitor who buys the game or not. Granted it's useless, most parents don't pay enough attention to everything a game offers for them to make a good enough judgement call, whether they should buy the game for their children or not. The rating system was supposed to make that easier, but I wouldn't suppose many parents would pay attention to it. The Mature rating has the same appeal to most parrents as a movie being rated PG-13, not even entirely a rated R movie. Afterall it's only a video game!
However, looking into this a bit further and saying OH ingame NUDITY will force a mature rating is utterly ridiculous. It's like saying having sex makes you a "grown up". I think there needs to be a better definition of Mature before you can truly consider a base of players enticed primarily (or even remotely) on the objective use of nudity. I can understand if it adds to the "lore" or barbarianism somewhat, but it's not meant to be a defining factor of this game.
Hey I like **ts as much as the next guy, don't get me wrong, but I think in this case it's ... *obviously* arousing a different attitude then what was intended.
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Hell... you know most parents won't take responsibility, in America it is much easier to create a public outcry and sue a gaming company than it is to admit you're a shitting parent.
Not only in America
parents love suing people, if they sue the company, people will think they're doing a great job parenting, if they go to a bakery and say: "hi, could i get a loaf of bread, o, did i forget to say that i allow my kids to play sexual games ?" well.. i suppose that'll be the last time you'll enter that bakery
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Topic kinda been done to death already?
At the end of the day half naked women are not going to bring mature players to the game, it will bring immature. Mature people wont care about the nude models it wont bring them to the game, it is the other features in the game that bring people that are mature to it not all these gimmics like excessive blood, nudity, sex buffs ( not sure if its been confirmed ) npcs taking a piss etc
Also look at games like GTA to see how a rating means absolutley nothing, a mature rated game generally attracts more immature people than mature, its a fact of gaming always has been. Hopefully these people will be easy to ignore since there will be a lot of them.
immature people have low attention span, they'll just go "ehehehe...boobies" for a while and then get bored and hop to a next game leaving AoC for mature players.
Took your sweet time to post tht beating a dead horse thing eh Fonz
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
I would love to agree with the OP, but history has proven that many parents will buy anything for their kids if it will only shut them up for a while.
Case in point, GTA:SA. How many kids played this game, and how many lawsuits were there because the "evil" gaming company didn't do enough to protect the children. I mean... other than the "M" and eventually "AO" rating.
People are stupid, people are lazy. If it gets their kid out of their hair, some parents are going to let their kid play it. Others will let thier kids play because the kids won't stop bugging about it. Others because ALL the other kids are doing it.
I wish it weren't so, but sadly it is.
Also, SWG back Pre-CU had a very mature population (at least on wanderhome server) game was complex, and had a learning curve. Kids hate a hard game they can't beat in 20 minutes. Sadly, that is the only way to have a kid free game. Make it hard, and no "uber" loot.
I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self.
--Aristotle
There are a lot of stupid adults as well, and some perfectly fine adults become morons or jackasses behind the computers when the anonymity of internet suddenly takes over.
Nudity.. or not, hardly makes any difference
I have re-thought this issue. I really do not think it will make a difference whatsoever. Sure the real young kids may not be as likely to play, but that doens't do anything about the adolescent kids that are typically the immature players. Since I do not feel that it will hurt the game, I'm now glad that there will be some boobies on some demon chicks lol. I suppose it adds to the hard core vibe of the game.
Stellos I wish you were correct that game content has no relationship to the type of game community it attracts, but my experience has been otherwise. I think most of us would agree that the player base in "hardcore" pvp games such as Shadowbane for example is somewhat dissimilar from the community on say a UO role play server like Seige Perilous.
A few responders assumed that those opposed to seeing nudity and intercourse as game content do so because we expect to be somehow shocked by the sight of an unclad female. Guys! Reality check. I see an unclad female everytime I take a bath. That really isn't the issue.
The issue for me is if I'm going to be spending a big chunk of my leisure time for the next year with a group of people, I really don't want to feel like the car broke down and I just walked into a ghetto bar to place a phone call, every time I log into the game. And believe me adult content can do that.
Funcom's first MMORPG, AO was one of the first I tried when I started to play and while I really enjoyed the game at first, eventually I quit playing due mainly to the community and content. It's the only game where my toon was ever invited to a private threesome with a couple. It's the only game where a member of the group tried to describe his personal equipment to me in detail. It's the only game where I could walk through the town and see players simulating oral contact on a regular basis in game. The last time I logged in a guy was recruiting for his in game "harem", describing his women in graphic detail and trying to solicite other female players in the viscinity to join in the "fun". The game was no longer an enjoyable place to be.
I'd hoped this time around Funcom would aim for a game world a little more user friendly for the gender that represents the fastest growing demographic of gamers in the world, but looks like they not only went down the path of least resistance but upped the ante as well. As for the issue being a dead horse, I've learned that until a game goes gold anything can and sometimes does happen.
I thought most woman in Conan world are portrayed as such, it just being true to the lore/genre.
I mean this is Hyboria we are talking about, not some CHASTITY ONLINE...where you roleplay monks/nuns, I don't think they aren't going to display sexual intercourse in any graphical manner.. Maybe a loading screen when you visit the brothel or whatever to get the "sex buff"...
An MMORPG does not get a generalization in terms of a community(Example: SWG is going to be mature because there's some tatas in the game) There's a few big factors that truly will tell you what type of community you're going to deal with.
A.The way in which The Developers, The Community Service Reps, and The Game Designers treat the player base. If they start treating us like were dumb kids who won't understand(chances are they piss away alot of the player-base)
B.The Complexity of the game. Yes I hate to classify something like Maturity does mean complexity which isn't entirely true. It simply means that Complexity in a game weeds out the immature people. The immature people tend to be less patient and less strategic about there game play.
In the end this game will have a mature community. Not because some tatas are being shown though. Because the developers treat us like mature players and because the game requires maturity to survive(particularly in pvp)
Just because you are old enough to buy porn or booze doesn't make you a mature player.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Just because you are old enough to buy porn or booze doesn't make you a mature player.
AND THAT is 100% true.
Funcom
I'll not go into the lore debate -- I'm not one of the designers on the team -- but I do want to comment on how Funcom tries to show how Age of Conan is a mature title when we do demonstrations.
I certainly understand that some people think it's a case of "shooting yourself in the foot" when you talk about female nudity to make a case on the game's level of maturity. However, nudity is an important ingredient when selling the game's mature theme and it is one of the best ways of showing it during a short demonstration in front of people who are not already familiar with the game. Most if not all MMOs out there right now have little to no nudity, and we really want to hammer home the fact that we have it in Age of Conan. It is a central element of the lore, so it's only natural for us to for instance show off the bare breasted succubus, even though it might be interpreted as a "haha, look, boobies!" sort of thing. It is, of course, not.
The fact that Age of Conan has a mature world is something we really want to point out to people when they first see and hear about the game. People are so used to elves, fairies and teen rated MMOs now, and we're very proud of the fact that we're aiming for a mature rating. That's why we bring up subjects such as nudity, heavy drinking, pirates urinating, heads flying etc. The danger of all this is that it might come across as immature, and we might have to be more careful on how we word ourselves in future demonstrations.
Another thing to keep in mind is that you guys and girls have seen hundreds of different demonstrations, and when you see the succbus breasts being pointed out for the one hundredth time, I am sure it gets very old. But for people who has not seen the game yet, who is used to playing other MMOs, that "ingredient" right there is enough to put a bit of a shock into them and to really underline the point that we're trying to do something different here. There are of course plenty of other things in there that makes Age of Conan a mature game -- the level of violence, the quest themes, the conversations etc. -- but right then and there , during these short demonstrations, that bit of nudity really sends the message home. We will, of course, try and show you more of how the maturity is reflected in the game.
Again, thanks for all the constructive criticism. Keep it coming, but be nice!
This was posted today, on the official boards Here and I feel is pertinent to this thread. You know the bottom line is if you are really worried about the game being infested more so that other with kids, then the best thing to do is wait for the game to come out and then re-visit this. Because to be honest its getting kinda tiring now.
IMO you can compare a single player M rated games to an MMORPG, especially when monthly payments are concerned and game types are different overall.
People like Gormandy above are just TROLLS with a set agenda of hate. Even using the word GAY in a degrogatory way...
lol my post got deleted.
Let me repeat myself, in a "non violative... way".
My 7 year old cousin bought all the GTA series and finished them, Now - what do you have to say?
You sir got owned. Mature content will force nerds, not mature player bases.
....... A Mature playerbase because of boobs?............... Tell me your joking..... don't even get my started on sex buffs please, clearly you haven't checked out WoW recently, if scantily clad night elves are the main populace what do you think will happen with the 'warrior women'?......
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
If there is nudity in the game, then can I make my char get naked? And if I can, can I make em moon people? I mean without those damn police reports!
People keep predicting that there'll be a lot of perverts in the game because of the nudity. As far as we've seen, there's one dungeon where you can see a boss' breasts. I doubt people looking for nudity will bother playing for a couple of months just to see a couple of breasts.
Clearly you were never 13.I was 13 once and the easiest way to see breasts is not from playing a video game that you have to subscribe to. All you have to do is spell a normal internet site address incorrectly and bickety bam you see some breasts and a hell of a lot more.
How does one know if they are old school? Heres one way, the first out and out nudity you ever saw came at the expense of your dads "hidden" stash of magazines, not the internet
I agree that there will be adult ass-hats too. Your practically saying 16=23 year old are the faults of this immaturity. And if your son was "mature" as you say, then he would really mind these "titties" flying over the screen. You just say, "son these are breasts, they are ont he female body where you had your first sip of milk."
Why do parents do such a bad job at parenting these days? It's just really funny how parents can't really "bond" with their kids and have a "real" talk about body parts to educate their children.
Flame on woot. Not really, it's fact, cause look at this generation of teenagers, most of us are retarded as hell, most of us do drugs and think we are "cool". Yet there's that small % of teenagers that can handle this, and act maturely in the real world and in games. So yes, adults can also be blamed for this maturity, just you can't really tell if it's an adult being immature or a teenager being mature, and vice versa.
a big part of maturity is gained from life experience. Certain things youd never think about as a teenager, for example. If I sat down with a boy, and said okay son here are some boobs, now let me explain em to ya. Now said son runs to school the next day and blurts to his friends "My dad showed me pictures of boobs!" How long do you think it will be before the parent will find him or herself under the scrutiny of the authorities? whether it be school officials, or children and family services, or whatever law may get involved.
Second Id like to point out that not only are you not unique in your rant, you are in fact a cliche. Do you think YOU and YOUR generation of teens are the first to be treated and generalized in this manner? Hardly, the only difference I see between yours and generations past is that your generation is far more heavily influenced by the media, by the corporations looking to profit off of you, and worst of all lack of parental guidance.
P.S. When you have kids of your own, and start to actually understand the rigors involved in the whole process, then you can comment on bad parenting. Until then you are simply making assumptions with a mind not fully devoloped either physically, mentally, or emotionally.
Basically, they're aiming at a maturity level of Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit, not Hot Coffee/GTA. I can't think of any 13-year olds getting Fahrenheit and finishing it to see "zomg bewbies" near the end.
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You forget that most parents dont care enough now-a-days, I wont be letting my kid play anything even close to this game....but late night....ill be maxin
I play all ghame
That post though says they are going for an mature game, and he is illustrating how it goes about doing that. And they have created what would be in a mature game, but as the topic question asks will this bring mature crowd and as has been proven with past games no it doesnt, and gta is far more "mature" than this game is at the end of the day and it probably has one of the worst communities in any game out there. (Thats not to say their arent mature people who play it)
The people posting are just sticking to topic well most anyway, who said they wont play it? people play wow at the end of the day and it hardly has a mature community, but as with all games there will always be people that you can mix with in them sometimes they are a smaller minority rather than a majority though.
Majority of people that think that this game wont attract a mature crowd will still play it, if a games good then i couldn't give a shit how many morons play it, and im pretty sure thats how a lot of people feel. Community is just a plus to be added to the game for the most part, its always a mixed bag of people no matter the game.
He is right in that they have to be careful how they market themselfs since they are on the fine line between portraying a mature game and a immature game, and at the end of the day they have not done that. Tbh if you want your game to look mature, the first shocking thing you should show is decapitations, then all the excessive blood and combat, hell if you want to show a mature game why would you even mention or point out the nudity or npcs pissing? it doesn't scream maturity at all.
What i mean is the nudity, the npc pissing, etc are part of the atmosphere, its the same as for instance wow where theres little critters everywhere to make the world seem more interesting, but they dont market the critters, why?
Because its just part of the enviroment you don't need to emphasize that if you did then the game would look like a disney game but if they dont focus on the critters which are no more important than the nudity in age of conan then they portray the game as a serious world that just happens to have critters etc around to make that world more alive its something you discover in game that fits with the world.
And to be clear i am just talking about presentation in this thread, we all know that wow is anything but a serious world that for instance the cgi trailers would suggest when we play it, but if you never played it and never read anything about wow for instance then what would the first thing that you think? well its been shown already most presumed pre release that wow was a pvp game/pve game full of war basically going for what warhammer is hell until they started adding raid dungeons and instanced pvp the game was mostly about pvp but that bits off topic so i wont elaborate.
Thats what age of conan is like you see them focus on what is just gimmics to add to the atnosphere and it doesn't portray the game as the mature barbaric world that hyboria(sp?) is meant to be but as a game that relies on gimmics to sell it self. Also think about the conan films they have half naked women in but does the camera zoom in on any of that no not to any extent i can remember anyway, because then it would portray the film as cheap and nasty.
At the moment all age of conan has shown is videos and demonstration pointing out these specific features and really empasizing them, it is not shocking not in todays world atleast it just portrays the game as the complete opposite of a mature, serious world.
And they still dont put much empathis on the main parts of the game ive seen more gimmics advertised than i have decent videos actually showing what is in the game. And unthoughtuantly when they do show the meat of the game it is usually doesnt look all that impressive, im trying to say that in a neutral way probably doesnt come across as that when i type since for all we know the main parts of the game are great but they arent presented in that manor.
Hopefully that post is clear, i am not bashing age of conan but the way in which the game is presented when it is meant to be a mature game with mature content, and like i said for all we know the gameplay is great but this topic is about the presentation of the game and what kind of people it will most likely draw in because of that presentation not the game play it self.
and the bloodelfs and there daisedukes... lol
If you take a second to look at it, in game nudity doesn't force a mature playerbase in the least. It's the rating of M that forces a mature playerbase.
Look at this for a second, by AoC creating a game with an M rating they are trying to push the buck to the stores for them to monitor who buys the game or not. Granted it's useless, most parents don't pay enough attention to everything a game offers for them to make a good enough judgement call, whether they should buy the game for their children or not. The rating system was supposed to make that easier, but I wouldn't suppose many parents would pay attention to it. The Mature rating has the same appeal to most parrents as a movie being rated PG-13, not even entirely a rated R movie. Afterall it's only a video game!
However, looking into this a bit further and saying OH ingame NUDITY will force a mature rating is utterly ridiculous. It's like saying having sex makes you a "grown up". I think there needs to be a better definition of Mature before you can truly consider a base of players enticed primarily (or even remotely) on the objective use of nudity. I can understand if it adds to the "lore" or barbarianism somewhat, but it's not meant to be a defining factor of this game.
Hey I like **ts as much as the next guy, don't get me wrong, but I think in this case it's ... *obviously* arousing a different attitude then what was intended.