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CCP and their Tactics?!?
mrxinstall
Member Posts: 36
Well having played this game since 2004 I have a few things I think people should know about EVE before they go out and pay $14.95US a month to play (When the servers are actually working that is)
Ok if you post anythng on the EVE forums that might show CCP for what they are expect it to be instantly locked and in some cases a warning given to you. (Free speach is not a good idea in the EVE forums unless you belong to the group of people that make up a certain alliance)
The servers quite often crash and go down for hours (No compensation will be given for playing time lost because of this) so your $14.95US for a month of play is actually $14.95US for approx 25 days of play. (As stated before CCP will not compensate for this)
There has been several accusations of cheating by one alliance and certain Developers/GM's or whoever and the replies that CCP gives the community are very vague to say the very least, once they post their very weak versions of the stories that is all that will ever happen until the next time it happens.
CCP forbids the sale of ISK for $$$ yet they support the sale of Game Time Cards (GTC) for ISK, which is very basically the same thing only one way they get nothing the other they are making $$ for (I don't support selling ISK but I find it interesting that CCP contradicts it's self in this way)
The game is a very good game and it has a lot of really nice people playing it but the way the skill system is setup new players will never catch up to people that have been playing for a long amount of time. this basically means that no matter how good you are at flying an older player will always be able to wipe the floor with you. (This is a real let down to the game, I personally think it would have been nice to be able to use my own skills to out play someone instead of skills that take away your ability to do this)
EVE is a game that you either like or you don't, it has a lot of things to do and many many corps and alliances for players to join or fight
.. The attention to detail in the graphics is very nice and the minimum system requirements are low enough for just about anyone to be able to play the game if they want. (It does still struggle though when there are BIG battles happening, eg. 100+ ships on either side)
Unlike a lot of games in EVE if our ship is destroyed it is gone for ever and if your character is pod killed he is dead, the only thing that saves a player when this happens is if they have taken the time to keep their clone(s) up to date. Which really isn't very hard at all to do.
All in all EVE is a game that has a certain type of appeal to the hard core gamer who enjoys PVP/PVE or doing missions and industrial work, all players of EVE are forced to use their brains while playing the game and this makes for a more mature type of gamer. (This is a very good thing as it keeps those annoying kids away from the game)
I would suggest that if you are going to play EVE you give the 14 day FREE trial a go and have a very close look through the forums to see what the community and the game is all about, and also so you can see what issues the game has or hasn't got.. There are a lot of good and bad things about EVE and I hope that if you decide to have a look you take the time to really check the game out....
Here one Day Gone The Next.
Game reviewer.
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Well good review but I'm trying to figure out what you're getting at, on one hand your blasting CCP on topics that have been done previously and on the other you provide a decent observation of the game from you perspective.
A very strange post first you come out all tinfoil hat like then you praise EvE what are you like really i cant classify you.?
I will give you the benafit of the doubt tho and say your just being honest to your perspective of things. I personally love this game and the stuff thats comming within the newxt 10 onths is trully interesting and will add to EvE things such as....
Ambulation
Heat [already in but not yet ballanced].
Subsystem targeting [lets you target someones modules/engines.
Reprogramming of the servers to reduce lag.
Plannetry flight
Humongouse asteroids with cave systems.
System wide asteroid fields
Comets.
A lot is comming and some of the above ahs been demonstrated already in one form or another so some good changes comming up
As for the recent scandals i am definatly dissapointed witht he dev who admited he cheated [T20] And i feel his punishment could have neen handled much better. And im dissapointed that goonswarm wasant disbanded after all this wasant there first incident [anyone remember there Bot tools that gave them a PvP advantage anyone ? ]. But ive laernt not to cry over things i cant change and as this is the only MMO around i like leaving in protest is out of the Question [not that i would have as unlike some i prefered to wait and see how things turned out].
Now tho is ee a game that growing and bevcomming something trully unique in MMO history and i wish the devs a ton of luck.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
A: a forum flame-troll
A: a forum flame-troll
Maybee but i prefer till i see more posts from him to give himthe benafit of the doubt. Peerhaps he will expalin his past more and we will see why how feels like he does.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
Eve is a very different kind of MMo. I have left it twice but always end up going back and how can you argue with the training system? Instead of spending weeks grinding and kill mobs over and over and over again you set it and forget it and your done. I wish other games would take an example of this kind of skill training so players can acually get on and play instead of grinding. I dont mind a occasional grind especially if it has a nice reward but after L2 RFO and VG it just gets to be too much bs to deal with. Hell even SWG had some but that wasnt too bad a grind cause at least you got something useful out of it.
Yes Pinttp makes a good point there is skil grinding but unlike othergames its almost automatic which means while a skill is being grinded/learned you are free to have fun and do other things.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
Didn't CCP even let the community put forward a group of people who they would fly over to Iceland (On the expense of CCP, no matter where in the world the people are) to have a fair trial on issues that might arise which can't be solved through internal investigation?
Oh, yes they did.
Also - no game pays up for downtime. Blizzard did once upon a time, but they've stopped doing that in case noone noticed...
As for the GTC - it allows those who play ALOT but are very poor (These two go well together as when you play enough you sure as heck don't work too much.) to fund their gaming through playing.
Whereas it also allows those who just don't have time to play that much to gain ISK through real money.
As it is now, the GTC are dirt cheap and ISK is RRrrrrreally easy to come by (Any knitwit can make 100k/hour from day one..)
So, sure, they dosupport the RMT, but they also control it. So in the end the money goes to CCP and it's always in the form of game time.
A different yet quite good system for those who need it.
And it's not like WoW or other games don't have farmers, now is it?
Atleast CCP gets the money in the end.
And with the cost of ISK through RMT, it's not a very lucrative business anyways..
Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW...
It all sucked.
Yes Pinttp makes a good point there is skil grinding but unlike othergames its almost automatic which means while a skill is being grinded/learned you are free to have fun and do other things.
On the other hand they should implement something where if you grind, you get a bit of skill training.. even if its just 0.01% of the skill used, there should be a reward for hard work (aka practice), and would solve the issue of catching up to older players that turn a lot of people off to this game. It would make me come back, most likely (though I'd prefer if it were twitch style space sim flight, not standard buttonmasher mmo style that happens to be in 3d).
Yes I know one doesn't need to catch up to older players to be competitive.. but it sure helps. Especially if when one was a newb and made bad choices (i.e not specialising from the start) when they started a year or so ago
Maybe they should put in respecs of skillpoints heh.
Yes Pinttp makes a good point there is skil grinding but unlike othergames its almost automatic which means while a skill is being grinded/learned you are free to have fun and do other things.
On the other hand they should implement something where if you grind, you get a bit of skill training.. even if its just 0.01% of the skill used, there should be a reward for hard work (aka practice), and would solve the issue of catching up to older players that turn a lot of people off to this game. It would make me come back, most likely (though I'd prefer if it were twitch style space sim flight, not standard buttonmasher mmo style that happens to be in 3d).
Yes I know one doesn't need to catch up to older players to be competitive.. but it sure helps. Especially if when one was a newb and made bad choices (i.e not specialising from the start) when they started a year or so ago
Maybe they should put in respecs of skillpoints heh.
no because older player will get the most benifit.right now it take that new player 40 days to get battships lvl 5, which give him a 5% increase in something.
in 40 days you get all learning skills to 4 and combats skills and get about 110 5% increases.
you have to understand new players lvl faster in EvE, and sp is a stupid way to rate a players ability in-game.
On the other hand they should implement something where if you grind, you get a bit of skill training.. even if its just 0.01% of the skill used, there should be a reward for hard work (aka practice), and would solve the issue of catching up to older players that turn a lot of people off to this game. It would make me come back, most likely (though I'd prefer if it were twitch style space sim flight, not standard buttonmasher mmo style that happens to be in 3d).
Yes I know one doesn't need to catch up to older players to be competitive.. but it sure helps. Especially if when one was a newb and made bad choices (i.e not specialising from the start) when they started a year or so ago
no because older player will get the most benifit.
right now it take that new player 40 days to get battships lvl 5, which give him a 5% increase in something.
in 40 days you get all learning skills to 4 and combats skills and get about 110 5% increases.
you have to understand new players lvl faster in EvE, and sp is a stupid way to rate a players ability in-game.
QFT!
Also - this kind of discussion is a great way to sort out who is cut for EvE and who isn't. XD
Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW...
It all sucked.
"Well having played this game since 2004 I have a few things I think people should know about EVE before they go out and pay $14.95US a month to play (When the servers are actually working that is) "
Huh?? What do you mean you only pay $14.95 ? In America it cost $19.95 a month!!
Actually CCP had this sort of system in the begining buring beta. Where for example if you warped you gained some experience to your warp based skills. In short it didnt work as they found most palyers were just warping all the time or mining whatever just to get faster skill training via a bot. So it was decided this wouldnt work as it would make it unfare to others and make it easier for botters.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
it's 15 a month
20 to buy
11 a month on a 1-year subsrcibion.
what are you smoking?
I said what I said because although the game does have problems it also has a lot of good things going for it. So for me to only write the bad things wouldn't be right from where I stand (Well I don't think it would anyway)
I think the way the skill system is setup it doesn't allow people to show their real abilities and this goes further than the skill system it also goes to the point and click method of playing the game. (I think the game would be even better than it is if people were able to fly their ships manually rather than point and click)
My basic background in the industry is that I have 18+ years experience in software development (In games for a while but mainly gambling).
There are games that compensate for server downtime outside of the normal maintenance and I think it is a let down that CCP have decided to not give any sort of compensation for the extended amounts of time that the servers are down for. (Hell even if they were to give players an extra day for every 18 - 24 hours of servers being down outside of the normal 1 hour per day, that way they aren't giving people extra time they are just replacing playing time that is lost 1 for 1)
Having seen some of those upcoming things that one of the replies had I think it will be interesting to see how the game evolves after they are implemented. I personally haven't really bothered training the skill required to make use of the NEW Heat function but I think that it would come in handy if/when you are in a tight situation.
I think the community in EVE is a very unique one and I must say that it is nice to be able to play a game where there are very few kids that come out with some of the crap I have seen them come out with on other games. Also don't get me wrong I think that the GM's (or most of them) are fair people and as with everything in life there is always bad apples and sooner or later they get found out, it is just a shame that CCP doesn't keep the community better informed about what happens when they are caught (rather than just a vague post that is made only hours or within a day of the actual report of the thing that happened) Yes I know that making the post so soon after the report shows they are not wasting any time but it does take time to look right into things that happen so that every possible aspect can be covered.
Anyway I hope this sort of explains where I was coming from a bit better, and hey I know what you mean when you say that you keep coming back to EVE. It has that attraction that some people like.
As with everything you can't keep everyone happy all the time and I think that if nothing else this thread has started a convo that has some interesting information in it. Thank you to everyone that has replied and not gone down the path of a flame war..
fly safe and make your next kill the best kill ever!
BTW: Where do you find the 1 year subs? that sounds very nice and it gets everything out of the way so you can just enjoy the game..
Here one Day Gone The Next.
Game reviewer.
you get the 1 year sub for 130 on the eve-online website under accounts.
I use the saved money to buy EON
I can agree with the OP about the unscheduled DTs when the server crashes, but the 3 hours for a patch or 24 for a expansion I don't think any games give that. I know from my friends who play WoW that Blizzard doesn't reimburse for scheduled DT even if they are extended.
I also agree that the unsceduled downtimes are a pain but then again its just like any other mmo when we dont get re-inbursed for the lost time.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
Free speech is not viable on a PRIVATELY OWNED message board btw.
Well to a certain degree it is
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
Ummm no... which proves you've never played.
It costs $19.95 to buy the game, the first month is free.
It then costs $14.95 a month.
You can buy extended purchase plans to get it down to 9.95 a month or so.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Not a single MMO on the market reimburses for short unexpected downtimes. Not one. The only time MMO's refund or credit accounts for downtime is when the downtime is measured in days rather than hours. IE: More than 48 hours unscheduled outage and you MIGHT hear something about a time credit on players accts. MAYBE... usually even that isn't enough. And frankly if you amortize your $14.95 out over a month you're paying less than 50 cents a day so who cares if the server is out for 3 days... wow you'll get a whole $1.50 credited.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell