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"The RPG Authority Flagship Studios..." Is this a joke?
Thillian
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This is the text from Hellgate overview.
"The RPG Authority – Flagship Studios was founded by the core creators of Diablo, one of the biggest PC gaming franchises in history with over 13 million units sold worldwide – they are the first, last and only voice in the world of action RPGs. "
Is this a joke? I mean.. Diablo was a RPG? That's some bloody news for me. Is Tropico a RPG too because you roleplay el presidente on tropical island?
Can we call Maxis studio The RPG Authority, because they were the creators of Sims, the best RPG ?
You know RPG requires more than just building a character and smashing your right mouse button. Someone should tell those guys ..
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Also Diablo is an action RPG, infact seeing there core members have created Diablo they have an right to claim the titel for first, last and only voice.
No Diablo is not RPG nor action RPG nor combat RPG or whatever. And I don't care who or what calls it that way, I don't care if those 18 years old kids called reviewers, writing for pseudo review websites like IGN or gamespot. RPG is a genre with its specifications. Diablo doesnt meet any of those.
Is tropico a game called political RPG? Sims called life RPG?, Europa 1400 Guild called economical RPG? No same as Diablo is not action RPG, it's just action game.
In tropico or Europa 1400 guild you have a story, you have a character with traits you pick and improve. That's just not enough to call a game a RPG. And Diablo has nothing more.
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No Diablo is not RPG nor action RPG nor combat RPG or whatever. And I don't care who or what calls it that way, I don't care if those 18 years old kids called reviewers, writing for pseudo review websites like IGN or gamespot. RPG is a genre with its specifications. Diablo doesnt meet any of those.
Is tropico a game called political RPG? Sims called life RPG?, Europa 1400 Guild called economical RPG? No same as Diablo is not action RPG, it's just action game.
In tropico or Europa 1400 guild you have a story, you have a character with traits you pick and improve. That's just not enough to call a game a RPG. And Diablo has nothing more.
You don't care about reviewers you think are 18 years old, but we must take your words like bible, right?
Respect is mutual, lacking in respect, equally mutual.
No I want you to think about it. Do you really think flagship studios are RPG authority ? Do you really think Diablo was a RPG? If so can you explain why? Not just copy-paste crap from ign.
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Um, didn't you all know that original poster is right?
Diablo is NOT an RPG because nobody in their right mind can imagine themselves as a knight in black armor with a huge weapon, slaying demons, completing quests that are not in real life but are only in fairy tales, or anything of the sort.
Oh wait, I'm sorry, this just in! I'm getting a report that says - What part of ROLE PLAYING GAME don't you understand? ROLE PLAYING as a character that is created from the ground up by you, given the limitations of whichever game is definitely ROLE PLAYING. PLAYING the ROLE of someone in a GAME is definitely in there. You talk so much about RPG elements, yet you don't seem to be able to distinguish your own interpretation that 99.999999% of the world do not agree with, and complete and utter falacy.
It's alright though, I can play a schweet action game with RPG elements whether or not its labeled "RPG". What others label a game has nothing to do with what the game truly is or how I interpret it, and I imagine that you think the same way... Just... Way out there as if you were from some far away planet that nobody has heard of or will ever discover in hopes of saving their brains and intelligence.
According to what you've said, it is an opinion, not a fact. Diablo is in fact an RPG, it had elements as most RPG games, even if it didn't have the most roleplayable environment. In all honesty, it has skills, stats, and so on like every other MMORPG out there. It had online play, it is not an MMO, but it is an an ARPG. It's like saying Flyff isn't an MMO"RPG" because people can't imagine themselves as chibi characters.
Honestly, if you go around judging things based on roleplayability (Ironic, I know, but) the point being, if you do it that way, there will be no RPG out there. As, not many people roleplay in video games, nor imagine themselves as them. They simply play the game. No matter how you look at it, there is a difference between RPG Video Games, and Table Top Roleplaying games. You cannot judge one based on the other, ever, it is completely different scapes.
Then Maxis can call RPG authority as well, because in Sims you define your characters, pick their skills and improve during gameplay?
Can we say Tropico is RPG game, because you choose abilities and special traits for the president your role-play throughout the game?
Seriously, does someone here consider Flagship Studios as the RPG authority? I can think of 10 other companies that were doing great RPG's for 5-10 years, not just 2 crap action games with cheap storyline about some evil-diablo destroying the world, with no dialogues, no subplots, no interaction just pure mousebutton smash. That's not a RPG for me.
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I know its shocking!almost as shocking as some sources claiming vanguard to be a playable mmo.
Then Maxis can call RPG authority as well, because in Sims you define your characters, pick their skills and improve during gameplay?
Can we say Tropico is RPG game, because you choose abilities and special traits for the president your role-play throughout the game?
Seriously, does someone here consider Flagship Studios as the RPG authority? I can think of 10 other companies that were doing great RPG's for 5-10 years, not just 2 crap action games with cheap storyline about some evil-diablo destroying the world, with no dialogues, no subplots, no interaction just pure mousebutton smash. That's not a RPG for me.
By the way, IE, Diablo had a great storyline, it was unique, and it spanded over both games. People never bother to watch the Cinimatics or read the dialog anymore.
I think I lost a few brain cells reading the OP's statements
meh.. I see where the OP is coming from... Personally I must say that even if Diablo I and II were quite fun hack'n'slash games with RPG elements I wouldn't really call it an RPG... I have yet to meet Anyone who actually roleplayed in that game - no doubt they exist though.
Even if D1 and D2 had RPG elements they're hardly compelling - though the story is quite well told - but for Flagship Studios to call themselves "The RPG Authority" is just laughable to me.
Flame me if you wish, I don't really care - I have my own opinion, you have yours.
Fantasysetting = RPG in the gameworld....
Well, "Authority on games that are usually labelled under the genre 'RPG' yet aren't necessarily role-playing games in the classical sense" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
OP has a point in that Diablo, Diablo II and most likely Hellgate did not/will not feature *any* actual roleplaying.
From a cone-viewed grammatical perspective, you *do* "play the role" of an amazon/paladin/engineer/blademaster etc...
Regardless of your definition, it's a salespitch. Salespeople don't understand "us" ^^
Now playing: City of Heroes/Villains, Age of Conan
Played: Eve, Hg:L, Vanguard, WoW, FFXI, Planetside, Neocron, Battlezone, EQII, AO, CoX, AA, DDO
I win at Vanguard.
Meh, it's Action RPGs, a special genre which takes only the statistical, character building elements of RPGs along with items etc. and is based purely on action, with the story etc. being secondary or almost non existant.
It's accepted as a genre, same as jRPGs are accepted even tho they just use char progression and story, no roleplaying.
True RPGs like Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights (depending on the module), Planescape: Torment, The Witcher, etc. are another thing, for obvious reasons.
If the Diablo series are not RPGs nor Action RPGs, then please educate me and explain what RPG games are. I really would like to know, i've always thought they are RPGs, or action RPGs at least.
I'd like a response from the OP
I think diablo fits the description of action rpg due to the presence of story, character development (albeit shallow), and character sheet type statistics like levels and skills, etc....
but at the same time I do laugh at the RPG Authority thing. And I do think a lot of people are wrong when they say all you need for an rpg is to play a character that is not you. I agreed with the OP on this point... while he used different games as examples, I personally would have thrown out any particular racing game, such as maybe Need for Speed Underground, which DID have story and you player a character that was not you, with statistics for your cars which you could develop over time. But... not a friggin rpg!
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Lets be honest here. With the exception on a tiny minority almost all games claiming to "RPGs" are not roleplayed. They are played tactically and strategically. Only a very tiny minority make the effort to get into the role of what thier characters backstory race is in the games they play.
If you want "Role Play" in the classic sense play a table top RPG with some friends.
If you want a graphically generated "RPG" setting that you can play, get on your PC or console and have at. You wont find Role Play there, but you may still have alot of fun.
My 2cents
Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR
I think the OP needs to chill on forcing his opinions on others, great you found Diablo lacking and do not think it deserves the title RPG. You are welcome to that opinion, but it is just that an opinion, because you think it DOES NOT make it so. In this case it is a minority opinion and will stay that way no matter how much you argue with people.
Would I consider the developer the experts on RPG's nope and in my opinion it would not even be a company that primarily develops for PC. Instead I would consider Square-Enix at the head of the class based both on future projects and past portfolio, that is however my OPINION.
The RPG label has very little to do these days with Roleplaying, instead it is used to describe games where we can assume the roel of a hero or villian of our chose and play them in a fantasy world. The degree in which we role play with in these world is often up to the user to decide as even games that would fit into that small little pigeon hole of what you consider an RPG are played by people with no inclination to role play. Examples being the inclusion of RP server in many of todays MMO's, including WoW and EQ2.
Also your Tropico and Sims analogy is inadequete considering it is universally agreed that these are simulation. I don't know what Hellgate did to you but every company make grand claims, do you scan the boxes and read the websites then rush here to dispute them?
I think the point isn't "how much" RPG D1 and D2 are but that FS claims to be "The RPG Authority".. which I think is a bit exagerated in honesty.
Games like these were not many, but only those give a real feeling of roleplaying that you know from RP pen and paper. Arcanum, Fallout 1/2, Greyhawk TOEE, Vampire the Bloodlines, Planescape Torment, BG1, Gothic1/2, older games I recall bard's tale 1 the version from 1987, lands of lore 1,...
RPgame should have :
The game offers nothing more outside of combat, there is nothing, it's just stupidly linear and the only thing you need to do is to smash your mouse buttons. It's pure action game with a few RPG features. But that's also Tropico or The Sims.
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Also, Square are good at ~stories~ but there's no RP whatsoever in their games. They're as much a RPG as Diablo is, but with a prominent story.
For a proper RPG experience barring pen and paper you have to look at games like Planescape: Torment, Fallout or The Witcher, just to give a newer example. Games where you decide (within boundaries, sure, but they're needed to tell a story, heh) what your character says and how he/she behaves. Those are generally accepted to be RPGs in the proper sense.
As for the definition of RPG, I could not care less. As long as it performs the duty, I will use the software tool, whatever class it call itself. As long as I enjoy the game, I will play it, whatever category ppl classify it. After all I am playing HGL, not MMORPG A nor MMO non-RPG B. Its HGL to me and that is all I care for.
To put the record straight, I have not yet make the trip to the shop to grab my copy of HGL. I am still too lazy, or I lack to zeal to take the ride.
I really wanted this game to be good but the full version is just as boring and repetitive as the alpha, beta, elite beta, demo... all of it.
The sword slashing of the swordmaster of guardian is sloppy. If anyone tried the new dual blades in City of Heroes Villains (test server) that's how it should be done. I dont like the key bindings either though with a nostromo or razer this can be changed but still the melee combat is horrid. You hop around when you move and the animations are like something made by an amateur out of Second Life.
Marksmen and Evoker are probably the best and most fun though being a hardcore fps player I don't appreciate the auto aim, it's very simple and YES i played both classes to the cap in the beta. The full release is the exact same already 25 and it's just the same stuff. Same looking guns, they get better numbers wise but visually it's nothing special what-so-ever. The evoker does look cool all dressed up though, the only saving grace of the ugly faces and disgusting hairstyles. The marksmen is alright.
It really seems like Flagship cares more about items and numbers then story and character development and no the skill tree does not count as character development, it's barely doing anything but adding another power or second life like animation you do to see more big numbers as you fight. I just dont feel engaged. People who have been playing MMOs since the beginning definitely won't like this unless they like simplicity and anyone saying it gets harder is full of it. I played it on hardcore to the cap and right now I am playing it, with the right modded weapons and good drops you can plow through the pre-genericated (generated) maps killing the same stuff with no challenge to it other than hacking and slashing at poor AI.
The customer support is not good on this game either and the community on the forums waits for someone to post something human and without a lol or rolfmo or basically if you post with heart about a problem they call you a whiner and 20 people pounce on your post like a wolf and then unprofessional moderators just delete the thread. You can not swear you can ask something as simple as how do i use this or that cause binds suck and 400 fanboys and fanboys playing girls jump on you and the moderators view it as your fault, though every other person attacking your post swears or calls you some childish name and you are the one who ends up getting deleted or forum banned with no explaination.
I just don't recommend this game. Try the demo and don't listen to the "full game is different" cause the only difference is stuff takes more hits to kill or you get to dress up your character more but the core gameplay is the exact same forever and there's not a lot of depth to the gameplay like other games.
Bugs still exist, it feels like a chore to do anything really after a few levels. I had such high hopes for this but as so many have said this game has come 5 years too late.
Just go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game
This is the majority........
Wow seriously OP you are one of the most dim people i've seen post in awhile.
The SIM's whole basis is the fact that it is an RPG. All you are doing is role playing the character (That is the whole freakin game).
I mean wtf do you think and RPG is, because your arguments make about as much sense as saying the world is flat.