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  • KabaalKabaal Member UncommonPosts: 3,042

    Originally posted by swaindaddy


     
    Originally posted by Wiznumb


    I agree the graphics are a little cartoonish, and it would be nice to have a more realistic feel.  The animations are most likely scaled down in the beta to lesson the stress on the already stress/beta test.  Gameplay wise, no worries it'll be on the money.

     

    That's what I am hoping for man.

    They really do listen to the community and take into consideration the feedback from the players, so there is hope for the gameplay yet.

     

     

  • swaindaddyswaindaddy Member Posts: 155
    Originally posted by Asamof


     
     
    Originally posted by swaindaddy

    Originally posted by Asamof


     
    Originally posted by swaindaddy


    Nope but I would pick a better representation of EQ2 -  again I am no fan of EQ@ and have mocked it for years -  just saying WAR doesn't look good atm.
    Well that was at a pretty high graphics setting, and it's a fair comparison. Human race against Human race. What would you have picked? The SOGA models? Those do look a lot nicer admittedly, but a lot of people despise them and very much prefer the old original ones like I represented

     

    Don't know enough about EQ2 to know what to pick - just that they aren't very good either but not any worse than WAR at the moment. I agree with poster above - lets wait and see at release.

    So you said WAR looks worse then EQ2. I provide a comparison and you say that it's an unfair comparison, HOWEVER you don't know enough about EQ2 to provide a better one. How can you make that claim if you can't provide a better counter example? And then you say it's just as bad as EQ2 despite the obvious comparison?

     

    whaaat?

    What I'm saying is that I disagree with you. And that I am not interested in turning this post into an EQ2 vs WAR post as I don't care at all about EQ2. I have seen better screens of EQ2 models than the one you posted. So what? Again - not about EQ2 from 2004 but WAR and the year 2008.

  • AsamofAsamof Member UncommonPosts: 824
    Originally posted by swaindaddy

    Originally posted by Asamof


     
     
    Originally posted by swaindaddy

    Originally posted by Asamof


     
    Originally posted by swaindaddy


    Nope but I would pick a better representation of EQ2 -  again I am no fan of EQ@ and have mocked it for years -  just saying WAR doesn't look good atm.
    Well that was at a pretty high graphics setting, and it's a fair comparison. Human race against Human race. What would you have picked? The SOGA models? Those do look a lot nicer admittedly, but a lot of people despise them and very much prefer the old original ones like I represented

     

    Don't know enough about EQ2 to know what to pick - just that they aren't very good either but not any worse than WAR at the moment. I agree with poster above - lets wait and see at release.

    So you said WAR looks worse then EQ2. I provide a comparison and you say that it's an unfair comparison, HOWEVER you don't know enough about EQ2 to provide a better one. How can you make that claim if you can't provide a better counter example? And then you say it's just as bad as EQ2 despite the obvious comparison?

     

    whaaat?

    What I'm saying is that I disagree with you. And that I am not interested in turning this post into an EQ2 vs WAR post as I don't care at all about EQ2. I have seen better screens of EQ2 models than the one you posted. So what? Again - not about EQ2 from 2004 but WAR and the year 2008.

    Well since we're talking about WAR's graphics in this topic, and you claimed that EQ2 looks better than WAR without providing any proof, it kinda hurts your credibility. You probably don't care either way, but I think it was worthy of an interesting discussion. Also I'm trying to stay as open minded and flame free as possible in here, but I also try to be logical. People have different tastes in terms of art styles, but we're talking about the quality of the art and graphics, not about utterly pointless realistic vs cartoony arguments

     

    If you claim that there are better EQ2 models and can't back it up, then I'll have a hard time taking you seriously

  • swaindaddyswaindaddy Member Posts: 155

    Originally posted by Asamof

    Originally posted by swaindaddy

    Originally posted by Asamof


     
     
    Originally posted by swaindaddy

    Originally posted by Asamof


     
    Originally posted by swaindaddy


    Nope but I would pick a better representation of EQ2 -  again I am no fan of EQ@ and have mocked it for years -  just saying WAR doesn't look good atm.
    Well that was at a pretty high graphics setting, and it's a fair comparison. Human race against Human race. What would you have picked? The SOGA models? Those do look a lot nicer admittedly, but a lot of people despise them and very much prefer the old original ones like I represented

     

    Don't know enough about EQ2 to know what to pick - just that they aren't very good either but not any worse than WAR at the moment. I agree with poster above - lets wait and see at release.

    So you said WAR looks worse then EQ2. I provide a comparison and you say that it's an unfair comparison, HOWEVER you don't know enough about EQ2 to provide a better one. How can you make that claim if you can't provide a better counter example? And then you say it's just as bad as EQ2 despite the obvious comparison?

     

    whaaat?

    What I'm saying is that I disagree with you. And that I am not interested in turning this post into an EQ2 vs WAR post as I don't care at all about EQ2. I have seen better screens of EQ2 models than the one you posted. So what? Again - not about EQ2 from 2004 but WAR and the year 2008.

    Well since we're talking about WAR's graphics in this topic, and you claimed that EQ2 looks better than WAR without providing any proof, it kinda hurts your credibility. You probably don't care either way, but I think it was worthy of an interesting discussion. Also I'm trying to stay as open minded and flame free as possible in here, but I also try to be logical. People have different tastes in terms of art styles, but we're talking about the quality of the art and graphics, not about utterly pointless realistic vs cartoony arguments

     

    If you claim that there are better EQ2 models and can't back it up, then I'll have a hard time taking you seriously

    lol. Well then my feelings are really hurt.

    Any screen I post will be about the eye of the beholder. Bottom line is this, if EQ2 is the comparison for a game to be compared to after 4 years of release time then my argument is only stronger.

    Weak graphics at the moment for WAR.

  • AsamofAsamof Member UncommonPosts: 824

     

    Originally posted by swaindaddy


     
    Originally posted by Asamof

    Originally posted by swaindaddy

    Originally posted by Asamof


     
     
    Originally posted by swaindaddy

    Originally posted by Asamof


     
    Originally posted by swaindaddy


    Nope but I would pick a better representation of EQ2 -  again I am no fan of EQ@ and have mocked it for years -  just saying WAR doesn't look good atm.
    Well that was at a pretty high graphics setting, and it's a fair comparison. Human race against Human race. What would you have picked? The SOGA models? Those do look a lot nicer admittedly, but a lot of people despise them and very much prefer the old original ones like I represented

     

    Don't know enough about EQ2 to know what to pick - just that they aren't very good either but not any worse than WAR at the moment. I agree with poster above - lets wait and see at release.

    So you said WAR looks worse then EQ2. I provide a comparison and you say that it's an unfair comparison, HOWEVER you don't know enough about EQ2 to provide a better one. How can you make that claim if you can't provide a better counter example? And then you say it's just as bad as EQ2 despite the obvious comparison?

     

    whaaat?

    What I'm saying is that I disagree with you. And that I am not interested in turning this post into an EQ2 vs WAR post as I don't care at all about EQ2. I have seen better screens of EQ2 models than the one you posted. So what? Again - not about EQ2 from 2004 but WAR and the year 2008.

    Well since we're talking about WAR's graphics in this topic, and you claimed that EQ2 looks better than WAR without providing any proof, it kinda hurts your credibility. You probably don't care either way, but I think it was worthy of an interesting discussion. Also I'm trying to stay as open minded and flame free as possible in here, but I also try to be logical. People have different tastes in terms of art styles, but we're talking about the quality of the art and graphics, not about utterly pointless realistic vs cartoony arguments

     

    If you claim that there are better EQ2 models and can't back it up, then I'll have a hard time taking you seriously

    lol. Well then my feelings are really hurt.

     

    Any screen I post will be about the eye of the beholder. Bottom line is this, if EQ2 is the comparison for a game to be compared to after 4 years of release time then my argument is only stronger.

    Weak graphics at the moment for WAR.

    Don't get me wrong, like I just mentioned up there, that you wont care whether or not I take you seriously. Although I think cartoony vs realistic arguments are dumb, if someone looks at the high quality screenshot comparisons I provided and tells me that the EQ2 one looks more realistic, then I'd have to think that something is wrong with them in the head, or that they're fanboys that will make illogical claims just because they love something so much

     

    from the way that this is going, it's beginning to seem like that you're just set against the look of WAR for nonsense reasons and will stick by that no matter what. I tried to see if I could get something logical out of you in the beginning, but I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon

  • KabaalKabaal Member UncommonPosts: 3,042

    All this quoting of quotes of quotes of quotes is making my eyes hurt >.<

  • swaindaddyswaindaddy Member Posts: 155

    Originally posted by Asamof


     
    Originally posted by swaindaddy


     
    Originally posted by Asamof

    Originally posted by swaindaddy

    Originally posted by Asamof


     
     
    Originally posted by swaindaddy

    Originally posted by Asamof


     
    Originally posted by swaindaddy


    Nope but I would pick a better representation of EQ2 -  again I am no fan of EQ@ and have mocked it for years -  just saying WAR doesn't look good atm.
    Well that was at a pretty high graphics setting, and it's a fair comparison. Human race against Human race. What would you have picked? The SOGA models? Those do look a lot nicer admittedly, but a lot of people despise them and very much prefer the old original ones like I represented

     

    Don't know enough about EQ2 to know what to pick - just that they aren't very good either but not any worse than WAR at the moment. I agree with poster above - lets wait and see at release.

    So you said WAR looks worse then EQ2. I provide a comparison and you say that it's an unfair comparison, HOWEVER you don't know enough about EQ2 to provide a better one. How can you make that claim if you can't provide a better counter example? And then you say it's just as bad as EQ2 despite the obvious comparison?

     

    whaaat?

    What I'm saying is that I disagree with you. And that I am not interested in turning this post into an EQ2 vs WAR post as I don't care at all about EQ2. I have seen better screens of EQ2 models than the one you posted. So what? Again - not about EQ2 from 2004 but WAR and the year 2008.

    Well since we're talking about WAR's graphics in this topic, and you claimed that EQ2 looks better than WAR without providing any proof, it kinda hurts your credibility. You probably don't care either way, but I think it was worthy of an interesting discussion. Also I'm trying to stay as open minded and flame free as possible in here, but I also try to be logical. People have different tastes in terms of art styles, but we're talking about the quality of the art and graphics, not about utterly pointless realistic vs cartoony arguments

     

    If you claim that there are better EQ2 models and can't back it up, then I'll have a hard time taking you seriously

    lol. Well then my feelings are really hurt.

     

    Any screen I post will be about the eye of the beholder. Bottom line is this, if EQ2 is the comparison for a game to be compared to after 4 years of release time then my argument is only stronger.

    Weak graphics at the moment for WAR.

    Don't get me wrong, like I just mentioned up there, that you wont care whether or not I take you seriously. Although I think cartoony vs realistic arguments are dumb, if someone looks at the high quality screenshot comparisons I provided and tells me that the EQ2 one looks more realistic, then I'd have to think that something is wrong with them in the head, or that they're fanboys that will make illogical claims just because they love something so much

     

    from the way that this is going, it's beginning to seem like that you're just set against the look of WAR for nonsense reasons and will stick by that no matter what. I tried to see if I could get something logical out of you in the beginning, but I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon

    Nope I'm just set against arguing that WAR looks good because some would say it looks better than a game that came out in 2004. That seems unreasonable to me. Is that a nonsense reason? 

    I guess that's illogical. I would do the same if my arguments failed.

  • NecroHeliumNecroHelium Member Posts: 175

    I don't think he's trying to be argumentative, I think he just plain doesn't like the look of WAR.  I personally thing the EQ2 graphics are better as far as technology goes.  (Not realism or artistry)  But I prefer the WAR graphics.  Rather than accuse him of being a troll, why not just accept the fact he doesn't like the graphics???

  • swaindaddyswaindaddy Member Posts: 155

    Originally posted by NecroHelium


    I don't think he's trying to be argumentative, I think he just plain doesn't like the look of WAR.  I personally thing the EQ2 graphics are better as far as technology goes.  (Not realism or artistry)  But I prefer the WAR graphics.  Rather than accuse him of being a troll, why not just accept the fact he doesn't like the graphics???

    Thank you! Isn't it a wonderful world where people who disagree can be civil about it!

  • NecroHeliumNecroHelium Member Posts: 175

    I also think that sometimes graphics need to take a cut in order to produce a decent mmo.  I tried Vanguard recently, and though I have a VERY decent computer, the graphics still took a heavy toll and my computer could hardly run them effectively. (This was after the recent update which was supposed to make it run even smoother, which isn't saying much.)

  • swaindaddyswaindaddy Member Posts: 155

    Originally posted by NecroHelium


    I also think that sometimes graphics need to take a cut in order to produce a decent mmo.  I tried Vanguard recently, and though I have a VERY decent computer, the graphics still took a heavy toll and my computer could hardly run them effectively. (This was after the recent update which was supposed to make it run even smoother, which isn't saying much.)

    I don't think its the graphics that make that game run poorly lol. But I agree if the gameplay suffers then cut the graphics if need be. I just think they could be better.

  • AsamofAsamof Member UncommonPosts: 824

    Originally posted by NecroHelium


    I don't think he's trying to be argumentative, I think he just plain doesn't like the look of WAR.  I personally thing the EQ2 graphics are better as far as technology goes.  (Not realism or artistry)  But I prefer the WAR graphics.  Rather than accuse him of being a troll, why not just accept the fact he doesn't like the graphics???
    EQ2 probably does have better technology than WAR

    and I accepted the fact that he doesn't like the graphics, I was just trying to make sense of his reasoning. And it didn't make any sense, and still doesn't. If he doesn't like the style, sure fine. I was just curious to see if I could get any REAL reasons, but apparently not!

  • swaindaddyswaindaddy Member Posts: 155

    Originally posted by Asamof


     
    Originally posted by NecroHelium


    I don't think he's trying to be argumentative, I think he just plain doesn't like the look of WAR.  I personally thing the EQ2 graphics are better as far as technology goes.  (Not realism or artistry)  But I prefer the WAR graphics.  Rather than accuse him of being a troll, why not just accept the fact he doesn't like the graphics???
    EQ2 probably does have better technology than WAR

     

    and I accepted the fact that he doesn't like the graphics, I was just trying to make sense of his reasoning. And it didn't make any sense, and still doesn't. If he doesn't like the style, sure fine. I was just curious to see if I could get any REAL reasons, but apparently not!

    Just go back and read my clear exlpanation of the look of the models as a one reason. Which, last I checked was a real reason. 

    Bland environment.

    Bland colors.

    Crappy models.

    Weak textures.

    Poor animations.

     

    All of these are reasons that I have in essence listed. But - sense you just want to argue it, what's the point?

  • AsamofAsamof Member UncommonPosts: 824

    well that's what discussion boards are for

    I think those points aren't valid with the one dwarf in the tavern screenshot I provided earlier. the game isn't all brown. It has colors but it isn't super ultra saturated like WoW. The textures are painted and meticulously detailed, and I still don't see where the "cartoony" comment came from.

     

    Like I said from the beginning though, I have no say about the animations. Never seen enough of them to really form an opinion

  • swaindaddyswaindaddy Member Posts: 155

    Originally posted by Asamof


    well that's what discussion boards are for
    I think those points aren't valid with the one dwarf in the tavern screenshot I provided earlier. the game isn't all brown. It has colors but it isn't super ultra saturated like WoW. The textures are painted and meticulously detailed, and I still don't see where the "cartoony" comment came from.
     
    Like I said from the beginning though, I have no say about the animations. Never seen enough of them to really form an opinion

    I can't do anything for someone who is blind. If you don't see the cartoon like style then I guess your beyond anything said here. Moving on.

  • AsamofAsamof Member UncommonPosts: 824

     

    Originally posted by swaindaddy


     
    Originally posted by Asamof


    well that's what discussion boards are for
    I think those points aren't valid with the one dwarf in the tavern screenshot I provided earlier. the game isn't all brown. It has colors but it isn't super ultra saturated like WoW. The textures are painted and meticulously detailed, and I still don't see where the "cartoony" comment came from.
     
    Like I said from the beginning though, I have no say about the animations. Never seen enough of them to really form an opinion

     

    I can't do anything for someone who is blind. If you don't see the cartoon like style then I guess your beyond anything said here. Moving on.

    Says the person who thinks this



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    looks the same in quality as this

    mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/ss_june8_02.jpg

  • swaindaddyswaindaddy Member Posts: 155

    Look at the grass (or is it just green vomit) on the stone. Look at the lack of detail on the face of the model. Look at the Castle textures. Look at the hands and bottom of the model. All garbage. As for your obsessions with EQ2 - I'll ask you two to get a room.

  • NecroHeliumNecroHelium Member Posts: 175

    If you'd take a moment to look at the details in the faces, even the horribly created one you've been so proud to make an example out of, I think you'll see that, when zooming out and looking at just the faces themselves, the EQ2 one does indeed have better graphics.  (Not more realistic, better)

  • AsamofAsamof Member UncommonPosts: 824
    Originally posted by swaindaddy


    Look at the grass (or is it just green vomit) on the stone. Look at the lack of detail on the face of the model. Look at the Castle textures. Look at the hands and bottom of the model. All garbage. As for your obsessions with EQ2 - I'll ask you two to get a room.

    Uhh my thinking EQ2 looks like dog crap means I actually love it? lol whut? okay I'm done here, you can keep spouting your hate for WAR graphics without me pointing out the flaws in your claims. have fun!

  • AsamofAsamof Member UncommonPosts: 824
    Originally posted by NecroHelium


    If you'd take a moment to look at the details in the faces, even the horribly created one you've been so proud to make an example out of, I think you'll see that, when zooming out and looking at just the faces themselves, the EQ2 one does indeed have better graphics.  (Not more realistic, better)

    and like I said before, technology does not make a good looking game. Artists do. Unless you're one of those sad people who freaks out over specular lighting and realistic water effects

  • swaindaddyswaindaddy Member Posts: 155

    Originally posted by Asamof

    Originally posted by swaindaddy


    Look at the grass (or is it just green vomit) on the stone. Look at the lack of detail on the face of the model. Look at the Castle textures. Look at the hands and bottom of the model. All garbage. As for your obsessions with EQ2 - I'll ask you two to get a room.

    Uhh my thinking EQ2 looks like dog crap means I actually love it? lol whut? okay I'm done here, you can keep spouting your hate for WAR graphics without me pointing out the flaws in your claims. have fun!

    There is no hate only you banging your head against the wall of sanity trying to get out. I tried to stop this argument 8 posts ago - you wouldn't let it die. So run little one run far and fast.

    I guess you missed where I said I hope the game is good and gameplay is great and that the beta is not the final look etc etc.

    Some poeple just have an agenda and when yours isn't supported you have to try and argue about a game from 2004? lol

  • swaindaddyswaindaddy Member Posts: 155
    Originally posted by Asamof

    Originally posted by NecroHelium


    If you'd take a moment to look at the details in the faces, even the horribly created one you've been so proud to make an example out of, I think you'll see that, when zooming out and looking at just the faces themselves, the EQ2 one does indeed have better graphics.  (Not more realistic, better)

     

    I wasn't going to say anything when he first posted that but I agree Necro.

  • NecroHeliumNecroHelium Member Posts: 175

    I agree with you asimof, I actually like the WAR ones better.  I'm merely saying that the EQ2 graphics are, technically, better, which is kind of what this argument was about???

  • swaindaddyswaindaddy Member Posts: 155
    Originally posted by NecroHelium


    I agree with you asimof, I actually like the WAR ones better.  I'm merely saying that the EQ2 graphics are, technically, better, which is kind of what this argument was about???

    What about the idea that WAR is being compared to EQ2 from 2004? Doesn't that speak to what I am saying about the graphics?

  • ImpyrielImpyriel Member UncommonPosts: 711

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