Well they lost one today at least. I canceled my account for the fourth time. I wonder how long before I become frustrated with the other games out there and come crawling back yet again.
Wow doesn't have a steady increase anymore. It's more a gain/lose thing. They usually get a big boost around christmas but last year they started losing some shortly after too. That beeing said i don't think any game is going to die. I mean everquest and ultima online are still up and running. I get my info from warcraft realms's december wrapup.
Doesn't have a steady increase anymore?! Subscriptions went up by 700,000 in 2 months!!!
Oh, and it's almost February so the Christmas boost no longer applies.
"I warned em, no one wanted death penalties and classes that can't solo, Brad banned me, well let me be the first to say HAHAHA, goodbye idiots at Sigil!"
Haha ... that is so funny. I did the exact same thing and got banned also. But I was persistant. I got banned from Starwars. I still didn't give up I then got banned from EQ2.
WoW was out and I started playing it. Never looked at SoE or any of thier games again.
I did sign up for the forums at Vanguard:Saga of Hype. But never posted thier. It was mildly entertaining watching that forum community.
WoW won't die, not even with blizzard's upcoming 2nd gen mmo, i don't think it's wow2, since blizzard reps shortly said that they weren't thinking on making a WoW2 for the moment, so it's either starcraft or diablo, maybe a whole new platform but i think the hype about blizzard making starcraft or diablo into mmo is prolly insanely high and when it comes to blizzard, they know what people want before they want it sometimes lol.
As fore WoW death or big plunge in numbers, nope not even WAR or AoC will do it, i actually think many people who venture from wow to those games end up paying subs for both wow and one of those games, i could clearly see myself playing both AoC and WotLK, if it goes wrong fore AoC, since it's funcom behind, i might end up with WoW once again...
Before TBC launched i was pretty confident that i wouldn't buy the WoW TBC expac, i ended up buying it anyway and never regret buying it either, so this time i'll just buy the damn expac and save myself from saying something silly like "ha wow? no won't buy the expac"....
And i know for sure many people right now are thinking this too, claiming they won't buy the next expac, and prolly claimed it with TBC, and they most likely ended up buying it once again, which will happen here again, we got so mnay haters here, whose just burned out players who loved the game but won't admit it.
Right now i'm just curious about when the expac hits and how it will be launched compared to AoC and WAR, my guess is somewhere between the lines of Crushing those two hypes somehow, with only lorefans left....
Blizzard made insanely huge hits into each genre they published a one of their big titles, Diablo hit the RPG genre HARD, starcraft and warcraft took a serious chunk off the RTS genre, and WoW pretty much consumed the whole mmorpg market more or less. Blizzard are a force that's almost unstopable because thier games are GOLD, they got something, the secret charm no other games have, blizzard's logo on a box stands fore = Game worth every penny! and for quality, patience, polish, action, and FUN.
Shit..... i were one of the guys who made joke pictures about Diablo 1.10 patch but you know after playing thier games for so many years, they have just earned your trust, all other companies have at some point made such a huge mistake, it will follow them with a huge scar, warning people.
I think you're forgetting about LOTRO. While it has not been a WoW killer, it certainly has carved out a few fans. I think AoC and War are looking for about the same numbers that LOTRO has at least initially. I'm certain they would eventually like to have some WoW like numbers, but I doubt they are expecting that. Just being #2 behind WoW at this point would be a great accomplishment for any MMO.
Meh. AoC and War are not threats to blizzard but opportunities. I think they are excited to see these games in order to look for ideas and improve on them for their own game.
Yes it is officially confirmed that when Wrath of the Lich King is released, it will be the same scenario that happened when The Burning Crusade was released. Everyone will be replacing their epics, like <linky to funny pic about epix>. More about that --> here.
Noob
He called you noob! ... ummm. you think he do the same at real life..?
This would seem to suggest that PVPers considerably outnumber PVEers; which is a surprise considering how much WoW PVP sucks. I can't help but wonder how many of those PVPers will jump at the chance of a next-generation game designed and oriented around PVP and RVR.
It's impossible to even estimate at the moment, but if the likes of WAR/AoC deliver on their promises, we might well see a LOT of people jumping ship in favour of it.
Teflon, many people on WoW PvP servers don't like PvP.
- some didn't look at the server type when they created their char - others joined friends on their server, which happened to be PvP - some thought "normal" would limit their gameplay. PvP sounded cooler - many regret their choice because they realize they don't like being ganked - ...
There is no 2:1 PvP/PvE player ratio in WoW. Far from it.
Originally posted by admiralnlson Teflon, many people on WoW PvP servers don't like PvP.
- some didn't look at the server type when they created their char - others joined friends on their server, which happened to be PvP - some thought "normal" would limit their gameplay. PvP sounded cooler - many regret their choice because they realize they don't like being ganked - ...
There is no 2:1 PvP/PvE player ratio in WoW. Far from it.
Oh geezer, please!!! Now you are just making it up as you go along!!!
Not only do you know that most WoW players have never played any other MMO and don't know any better, but now the majority of people on PvP servers got there 'by mistake' or just went there because it sounded cool, ROFL!!!! Well what can you expect from a load of noob MMO'ers i guess, PMSL!!!
People do want more PvP which is evident from the buzz surrounding WAR and why Blizz have reacted with the new area in the next expansion (or before if needs be i guess).
...and admiralnlson, just so you know, some people on the PVE servers actually enjoy a little PvP from time to time too. No, Honestly, it's true i tell ya!
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
Originally posted by jason_webb ...and admiralnlson, just so you know, some people on the PVE servers actually enjoy a little PvP from time to time too. No, Honestly, it's true i tell ya!
lol you again. You chasing me or what?
Did I say there wasn't WoW players who like to PvE and PvP ? Did I say _ALL_ got on PvP servers by mistake ? (read closely, i really wrote "some") Did I say WoW players were noobs ?
No. I was just stating that the 2:1 PvP/PvE server type ratio does not necessarily reflect players' preferences.
To think you were talking about "keeping an open-mind" in that previous thread... If you want to go on a e-fight with a wow-hater, you go find someone else. I'm not one as I told you earlier. geez...
Originally posted by admiralnlson I was just stating that the 2:1 PvP/PvE server type ratio does not necessarily reflect players' preferences.To think you were talking about "keeping an open-mind" in that previous thread... If you want to go on a e-fight with a wow-hater, you go find someone else. I'm not one as I told you earlier. geez...
I will give you that there may not be a total 2:1 PvP/PvE ratio, but there is no denying that there are more PvP servers and if you take a look at last night alone (on the EU servers list) there were more PvP servers with high/locked status than there were PvE by far which says to me that there is a fair amount of players in there.
I snapped back because if you take a look back over your previous post it is very insulting to presume that WoW players are so stupid that they can't even pick the right server to play on. This isn't a school playground and i don't 'go on e-fights', but i will jump in when people make erroneous or spurious statements such as that.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
Something I've always found interesting: European English WoW servers: PVP Servers: 63 (+5 RP-PVP)
PVE Servers: 34 (+6 RP-PVE) This would seem to suggest that PVPers considerably outnumber PVEers; which is a surprise considering how much WoW PVP sucks. I can't help but wonder how many of those PVPers will jump at the chance of a next-generation game designed and oriented around PVP and RVR. It's impossible to even estimate at the moment, but if the likes of WAR/AoC deliver on their promises, we might well see a LOT of people jumping ship in favour of it.
If WoW PvP sucks so much, how come it is 50 times more popular than all the other PvP's.
Show me another game with 68 EU PvP servers. 1.3 million PvP subs in the EU. Say's it all really.
It strikes me that a lot of people have all jumped at the chance of a next-generation game oreintated around PVP and RVR already.
People underestimate WoW PvP. More fool them.
WoW won't be trying to imitate WAR and AOC PvP half as much as WAR and AOC will be trying to imitate WoW PvP. Get a grip.
Meh. AoC and War are not threats to blizzard but opportunities. I think they are excited to see these games in order to look for ideas and improve on them for their own game.
I didn't mean to imply that either of those games will overtake WoW, but rather they are the first serious games that might attract away a significant portion of WoW players.
Personally I don't think AoC will due to high system requirements and Warhammer might be just to PvP centric, but stands a good chance to make large subscriber numbers. On the other hand no one even imagined how well Warcraft would do let alone numbering over 10 million so anything is possible.
Let's face it. WoW is a good game, there is no denying it. Even people who "hate" it secretly admit to themselves its good (if theyve tried it, not just read postings).
This game is a success because of a variety of factors, not just one thing. Other games sucking or not keeping clients happy (if they did, they would never have left to try WoW), easy for anyone to get into, low specced computers run the game great, WELL written and funny quests, lots of stuff. Too many things came together to make a WoW "Perfect Storm".
So to say one expansion release will kill WoW is kinda... hmm. Itll take just as many factors to "kill" WoW as that made it. It will be a LONG time before this game dies a natural death. PvP games alone (WAR) will not suck out enough customers to kill it, because the majority of people who pvp are pretty young. The majority of people who play WoW are older casual players who like to log on, do some quests with storylines, log off and eat dinner with their family. Log back on later for a few, go to zzzz. Go to work. Thats it.
These people do not have time (or want to): Get quests by clicky, clicky, clicky without following the story, level to 70 in one month, chase gear so they can PvP forever.
WoW did not kill the original EQ (last I checked, they still taking subs), and nothing will kill WoW either. It can only implode more than anything, but I think the heads at Blizzard aren't dumb enough to do that.
When the PvP kids run to WAR, I dont think the Blizzard people will notice.
Just wanted to remind you that once upon a time there were no battlegrounds nor arenas. The only way to PvP was being on a PvP server. If I'm not mistake it was around a year this way. There are many many people who absolutely don't care about PvP - like me. Personally I joined a PvP server because of a community and regret it since then because I never attack first in the open world and usually get killed.
About "WoW's end" -that's laughable. Past 3-4 weeks I was leveling an alt (warlock) and all the time was abolutely amazed by the number of people in low level zones. There are whisps for joining a dungeon run all the time. The biggest stun came this Sunday. My 1.5 years old server was locked for character creation and had 50 people queue. If you call that "an end".....well, I wish it to all games.
P.S. Just look at the free character transfers each week in the past 2 months. Don't think WoW EU has ever been so flooded with players.
Just wanted to remind you that once upon a time there were no battlegrounds nor arenas. The only way to PvP was being on a PvP server. If I'm not mistake it was around a year this way. There are many many people who absolutely don't care about PvP - like me. Personally I joined a PvP server because of a community and regret it since then because I never attack first in the open world and usually get killed. About "WoW's end" -that's laughable. Past 3-4 weeks I was leveling an alt (warlock) and all the time was abolutely amazed by the number of people in low level zones. There are whisps for joining a dungeon run all the time. The biggest stun came this Sunday. My 1.5 years old server was locked for character creation and had 50 people queue. If you call that "an end".....well, I wish it to all games. P.S. Just look at the free character transfers each week in the past 2 months. Don't think WoW EU has ever been so flooded with players.
BG's were introduced in 1.5 which released on June 7, 2005, about 6 months after release. And there was PvP on a PvE server prior to then as well as there were pretty much daily attacks on Crossroads and Astranaar. You could ignore it if you chose to but many didn't and in fact a lot of people preferred that "world" PvP to the current BG's or Arenas.
The thing about all those people who prefer World PvP to Battlegrounds is.......there aren't that many of them. Most people prefer the convenience, balance and rewards of Battlegrounds which is why they are always full and hoptspots like Tauren Mill and Crossroads are usually empty.
The thing about all those people who prefer World PvP to Battlegrounds is.......there aren't that many of them. Most people prefer the convenience, balance and rewards of Battlegrounds which is why they are always full and hoptspots like Tauren Mill and Crossroads are usually empty.
Which could easily be solved by changing the reward system around so that World PVP gave much more benefits than the BG's/arena's. (due to the added risk/inconvenience element)
I assure you, up the rewards for world PVP, and they'll come running.
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Did you really expect them to do anything else? Their last expansion set records for sales, why would they change their formula for success?
You can't use logic on forums.. didn't you read the ToS??
According to forums... 90% of WoW players quit due to TBC.
Of the 10% that stayed.. only 10% bought TBC (honestly just read the forums you'll see its all fact.)
Ignore that TBC set sales records.. ignore that the "record" profits for Vivendi's gaming division keep getting higher (mostly due to WoW as they say).
Then you end up at the truth.. which is proclaimed on the forums every day.
*ponders* level cap increases from 70 to 80... and you wouldn't expect to replace gear.
Heck if you did WoW would be the only game where it would happen. I know in EQ2 when RoK came out.. there wasn't an entirely new tier of raid gear that made the old stuff inferior..
There certainly wasn't a bunch of quests you could solo.. that gave gear that was in some cases better than the old raid gear.
I know cuz I can read it on the forums...
(yes lots of sarcasm and no.. I don't play WoW.. all my friends do.. so I don't have to).
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Well they lost one today at least. I canceled my account for the fourth time. I wonder how long before I become frustrated with the other games out there and come crawling back yet again.
Oh, and it's almost February so the Christmas boost no longer applies.
"I warned em, no one wanted death penalties and classes that can't solo, Brad banned me, well let me be the first to say HAHAHA, goodbye idiots at Sigil!"
Haha ... that is so funny. I did the exact same thing and got banned also. But I was persistant. I got banned from Starwars. I still didn't give up I then got banned from EQ2.
WoW was out and I started playing it. Never looked at SoE or any of thier games again.
I did sign up for the forums at Vanguard:Saga of Hype. But never posted thier. It was mildly entertaining watching that forum community.
WoW won't die, not even with blizzard's upcoming 2nd gen mmo, i don't think it's wow2, since blizzard reps shortly said that they weren't thinking on making a WoW2 for the moment, so it's either starcraft or diablo, maybe a whole new platform but i think the hype about blizzard making starcraft or diablo into mmo is prolly insanely high and when it comes to blizzard, they know what people want before they want it sometimes lol.
As fore WoW death or big plunge in numbers, nope not even WAR or AoC will do it, i actually think many people who venture from wow to those games end up paying subs for both wow and one of those games, i could clearly see myself playing both AoC and WotLK, if it goes wrong fore AoC, since it's funcom behind, i might end up with WoW once again...
Before TBC launched i was pretty confident that i wouldn't buy the WoW TBC expac, i ended up buying it anyway and never regret buying it either, so this time i'll just buy the damn expac and save myself from saying something silly like "ha wow? no won't buy the expac"....
And i know for sure many people right now are thinking this too, claiming they won't buy the next expac, and prolly claimed it with TBC, and they most likely ended up buying it once again, which will happen here again, we got so mnay haters here, whose just burned out players who loved the game but won't admit it.
Right now i'm just curious about when the expac hits and how it will be launched compared to AoC and WAR, my guess is somewhere between the lines of Crushing those two hypes somehow, with only lorefans left....
Blizzard made insanely huge hits into each genre they published a one of their big titles, Diablo hit the RPG genre HARD, starcraft and warcraft took a serious chunk off the RTS genre, and WoW pretty much consumed the whole mmorpg market more or less. Blizzard are a force that's almost unstopable because thier games are GOLD, they got something, the secret charm no other games have, blizzard's logo on a box stands fore = Game worth every penny! and for quality, patience, polish, action, and FUN.
Shit..... i were one of the guys who made joke pictures about Diablo 1.10 patch but you know after playing thier games for so many years, they have just earned your trust, all other companies have at some point made such a huge mistake, it will follow them with a huge scar, warning people.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Does anyone really know who IS #2 at the moment?
The thing about Lord of th Rings is, although I am currently playing and enjoying it, the instant WoW releases an expansion, I will be jumping ship.
Meh. AoC and War are not threats to blizzard but opportunities. I think they are excited to see these games in order to look for ideas and improve on them for their own game.
Noob
He called you noob! ... ummm. you think he do the same at real life..?
can imagine at school
"this noobish teacher",
"this guy is a noob in maths!",
"omg the b%e$st of this girl is F$&·ng pro"
"ey! givme this pen of the lich nooooob!" ,
"Hey teacher this horde boy called me nerd!"
Something I've always found interesting:
European English WoW servers:
PVP Servers: 63 (+5 RP-PVP)
PVE Servers: 34 (+6 RP-PVE)
This would seem to suggest that PVPers considerably outnumber PVEers; which is a surprise considering how much WoW PVP sucks. I can't help but wonder how many of those PVPers will jump at the chance of a next-generation game designed and oriented around PVP and RVR.
It's impossible to even estimate at the moment, but if the likes of WAR/AoC deliver on their promises, we might well see a LOT of people jumping ship in favour of it.
Teflon, many people on WoW PvP servers don't like PvP.
- some didn't look at the server type when they created their char
- others joined friends on their server, which happened to be PvP
- some thought "normal" would limit their gameplay. PvP sounded cooler
- many regret their choice because they realize they don't like being ganked
- ...
There is no 2:1 PvP/PvE player ratio in WoW. Far from it.
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Waiting for: GW2
*thumbs up*: GW, Eve(, WoW)
*thumbs down*: MO, GA, FE
Oh geezer, please!!! Now you are just making it up as you go along!!!
Not only do you know that most WoW players have never played any other MMO and don't know any better, but now the majority of people on PvP servers got there 'by mistake' or just went there because it sounded cool, ROFL!!!! Well what can you expect from a load of noob MMO'ers i guess, PMSL!!!
People do want more PvP which is evident from the buzz surrounding WAR and why Blizz have reacted with the new area in the next expansion (or before if needs be i guess).
...and admiralnlson, just so you know, some people on the PVE servers actually enjoy a little PvP from time to time too. No, Honestly, it's true i tell ya!
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
Did I say there wasn't WoW players who like to PvE and PvP ?
Did I say _ALL_ got on PvP servers by mistake ? (read closely, i really wrote "some")
Did I say WoW players were noobs ?
No.
I was just stating that the 2:1 PvP/PvE server type ratio does not necessarily reflect players' preferences.
To think you were talking about "keeping an open-mind" in that previous thread...
If you want to go on a e-fight with a wow-hater, you go find someone else. I'm not one as I told you earlier. geez...
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Waiting for: GW2
*thumbs up*: GW, Eve(, WoW)
*thumbs down*: MO, GA, FE
I will give you that there may not be a total 2:1 PvP/PvE ratio, but there is no denying that there are more PvP servers and if you take a look at last night alone (on the EU servers list) there were more PvP servers with high/locked status than there were PvE by far which says to me that there is a fair amount of players in there.
I snapped back because if you take a look back over your previous post it is very insulting to presume that WoW players are so stupid that they can't even pick the right server to play on. This isn't a school playground and i don't 'go on e-fights', but i will jump in when people make erroneous or spurious statements such as that.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
If WoW PvP sucks so much, how come it is 50 times more popular than all the other PvP's.
Show me another game with 68 EU PvP servers. 1.3 million PvP subs in the EU. Say's it all really.
It strikes me that a lot of people have all jumped at the chance of a next-generation game oreintated around PVP and RVR already.
People underestimate WoW PvP. More fool them.
WoW won't be trying to imitate WAR and AOC PvP half as much as WAR and AOC will be trying to imitate WoW PvP. Get a grip.
Meh. AoC and War are not threats to blizzard but opportunities. I think they are excited to see these games in order to look for ideas and improve on them for their own game.
I didn't mean to imply that either of those games will overtake WoW, but rather they are the first serious games that might attract away a significant portion of WoW players.Personally I don't think AoC will due to high system requirements and Warhammer might be just to PvP centric, but stands a good chance to make large subscriber numbers. On the other hand no one even imagined how well Warcraft would do let alone numbering over 10 million so anything is possible.
Let's face it. WoW is a good game, there is no denying it. Even people who "hate" it secretly admit to themselves its good (if theyve tried it, not just read postings).
This game is a success because of a variety of factors, not just one thing. Other games sucking or not keeping clients happy (if they did, they would never have left to try WoW), easy for anyone to get into, low specced computers run the game great, WELL written and funny quests, lots of stuff. Too many things came together to make a WoW "Perfect Storm".
So to say one expansion release will kill WoW is kinda... hmm. Itll take just as many factors to "kill" WoW as that made it. It will be a LONG time before this game dies a natural death. PvP games alone (WAR) will not suck out enough customers to kill it, because the majority of people who pvp are pretty young. The majority of people who play WoW are older casual players who like to log on, do some quests with storylines, log off and eat dinner with their family. Log back on later for a few, go to zzzz. Go to work. Thats it.
These people do not have time (or want to): Get quests by clicky, clicky, clicky without following the story, level to 70 in one month, chase gear so they can PvP forever.
WoW did not kill the original EQ (last I checked, they still taking subs), and nothing will kill WoW either. It can only implode more than anything, but I think the heads at Blizzard aren't dumb enough to do that.
When the PvP kids run to WAR, I dont think the Blizzard people will notice.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I may be wrong though, my PvPer-friends/contacts are playing other MMOs. Maybe in WoW, what you say is a reality.
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Waiting for: GW2
*thumbs up*: GW, Eve(, WoW)
*thumbs down*: MO, GA, FE
I guess I should have put some age parameter on "young".
I think about 25 and down is young, and I think most people who pvp are in that age area.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Just wanted to remind you that once upon a time there were no battlegrounds nor arenas. The only way to PvP was being on a PvP server. If I'm not mistake it was around a year this way. There are many many people who absolutely don't care about PvP - like me. Personally I joined a PvP server because of a community and regret it since then because I never attack first in the open world and usually get killed.
About "WoW's end" -that's laughable. Past 3-4 weeks I was leveling an alt (warlock) and all the time was abolutely amazed by the number of people in low level zones. There are whisps for joining a dungeon run all the time. The biggest stun came this Sunday. My 1.5 years old server was locked for character creation and had 50 people queue. If you call that "an end".....well, I wish it to all games.
P.S. Just look at the free character transfers each week in the past 2 months. Don't think WoW EU has ever been so flooded with players.
BG's were introduced in 1.5 which released on June 7, 2005, about 6 months after release. And there was PvP on a PvE server prior to then as well as there were pretty much daily attacks on Crossroads and Astranaar. You could ignore it if you chose to but many didn't and in fact a lot of people preferred that "world" PvP to the current BG's or Arenas.
The thing about all those people who prefer World PvP to Battlegrounds is.......there aren't that many of them. Most people prefer the convenience, balance and rewards of Battlegrounds which is why they are always full and hoptspots like Tauren Mill and Crossroads are usually empty.
It is becomming a very dated game
Which could easily be solved by changing the reward system around so that World PVP gave much more benefits than the BG's/arena's. (due to the added risk/inconvenience element)
I assure you, up the rewards for world PVP, and they'll come running.
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According to forums... 90% of WoW players quit due to TBC.
Of the 10% that stayed.. only 10% bought TBC (honestly just read the forums you'll see its all fact.)
Ignore that TBC set sales records.. ignore that the "record" profits for Vivendi's gaming division keep getting higher (mostly due to WoW as they say).
Then you end up at the truth.. which is proclaimed on the forums every day.
*ponders* level cap increases from 70 to 80... and you wouldn't expect to replace gear.
Heck if you did WoW would be the only game where it would happen. I know in EQ2 when RoK came out.. there wasn't an entirely new tier of raid gear that made the old stuff inferior..
There certainly wasn't a bunch of quests you could solo.. that gave gear that was in some cases better than the old raid gear.
I know cuz I can read it on the forums...
(yes lots of sarcasm and no.. I don't play WoW.. all my friends do.. so I don't have to).
All Blizzard has to do, is to make one REAL bad decision, or several (eg. SWG) and people will be dropping off WoW like flies...
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