Scientology is a load of crap, and its NOT a religion, no matter what that little pip squeek, shit for brains Tom Cruise or anyone else claims its a CULT.
Gods create religions, people create cults. L. Ron Hubbard was certainly no god.
Well.. an internet group called Anonymous (4chan) this week declared war on the church of scientology. Releasing videos, and staff tutorials and pamphlets from the CHurch of scientology. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ
Their reasoning for the war? Its because of the illegal activities and deaths linked directly to the church.
BBC a little while ago tried to research the Church of Scientology on a program called Panorama.
here are the results.. (VERY VERY INteresting and SCarey MUST WATCH) PANORAMA
Here is a video documenting some of the deaths linked to the church. uk.youtube.com/watch
And here is a video from a reporter who tried to video tape a PUBLIC scientology gathering www.youtube.com/watch
So... what do you guys think? Are you guys as worried as I am about this stuff?
here is the press release
"Anonymous" releases statements outlining "War on Scientology"
January 23, 2008
The Internet-based group "Anonymous" has released statements on YouTube and via a press release, outlining what they call a "War on Scientology". Church of Scientology related websites, such as religiousfreedomwatch.org have been removed due to a suspected distributed denial-of-service-attack (DDoS) by a group calling themselves "Anonymous". On Friday, the same group allegedly brought down Scientology's main website, scientology.org, which was available sporadically throughout the weekend.
Several websites relating to the Church of Scientology have been slowed down, brought to a complete halt or seemingly removed from the Internet completely in an attack which seems to be continuous. The scientology.org site was back online briefly on Monday, and is currently loading slowly.
On Monday, the group released a video titled: "Message to Scientology" on YouTube concerning their intentions to attack the Church of Scientology. A robotic voice on the video begins with "Hello leaders of Scientology. We are Anonymous," and continues by explaining their motivations: "Over the years we have been watching you, your campaigns of misinformation, your suppression of dissent and your litigious nature. All of these things have caught our eye. With the leakage of your latest propaganda video into mainstream circulation the extent of your malign influence over those who have come to trust you as leaders has been made clear to us. Anonymous has therefore decided that your organisation should be destroyed." The message goes on to state that the group intends to "expel Scientology from the Internet". As of Wednesday, the video had been viewed 370,347 times, favorited 2,473 times, and is currently YouTube's top third video of the day.
So again.. I ask.. what are your personal opinons about the church of scientology? or about this war?
Lol. I had to laugh at the fourth video. You could tell that those guys were grabbing for straws. They either weren't good debaters or they just didn't have any good arguments. I could have seen that guy's outburst coming in the second video. He did seem like he was harassing the Sci's a bit. I doubt very little that it was without reason, however what goes around comes around. He ticked some people off, so inevitably he got a little steamed himself. Interesting videos. From what I've seen of them Scientology seems to be an organization of whack-jobs. I've seen some Christians get a little annoyed from atheist reporters, but I haven't ever seen them get up in someone's face, stalk them, spread slander or mudsling.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
One of the top most leaders of the Church of Scientology (she reached the highest level) left the church in 2000.... Here she is talking about it just 2 months after she left. She now does speaches and such across the country speaking out against the church
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
I used to preach responsibility to these guys when I frequented the site, speaking on what they could do in place of the BS Habbo Hotel and random MySpace harassment. Although I'm glad to see they finally are attacking something which needs to be systematically exterminated I am not sure if this will be the direction they will go in the future.
This has always been about peer fame and laughs, if it truly is about something of worth, I am very happy.
I wish the American government would take down scientology for good- but maybe then this wouldn't be America anymore like gnome kinda said. Maybe we'll get lucky and Scientology and Al Qaeda will fight eachother to their mutual destruction.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
we're all "fair game" now. every time i watch pulp fiction, i now chuckle when vincent vega (john travolta) is killed. if jules hadn't quit the hitman game after witnessing divine intervention, he'd had lived and the boxer would have gotten killed inside the apartment. at any rate, i also agree with the fellow who commented after me about all religions being bullshit. i watched those video links and that cult frightens me even more. actually, i feel like posting posters saying "cult" in front of a cos building, along the PUBLIC sidewalk, in a city in which i used to reside.
My eyes for some reason refuse to focus on blue text over a black background. This gives me a head ache as i try to force myself to see what's written, and then I get all pissed off cause i could have just highlighted the text with my mouse and avoided all the frustration to begin with.
That's about what I think of scientology. It sucks.
for some strange reason, blue text has always been easy on my eyes. it's when white text with a black background that eventually makes my eyes burn and my vision becomes blurry. i shall try another color. it shall be grey.
scientology shall crash and burn some day. i hope that it's within my lifetime, or that all of the members commit mass suicide. that'd be great news, too.
pardon the ingnorance and i havent read these threads but... in the south park episode, were the explanations of on the founding and beliefs of scientology accurate?
Well.. an internet group called Anonymous (4chan) this week declared war on the church of scientology. Releasing videos, and staff tutorials and pamphlets from the CHurch of scientology. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ
Their reasoning for the war? Its because of the illegal activities and deaths linked directly to the church.
BBC a little while ago tried to research the Church of Scientology on a program called Panorama.
here are the results.. (VERY VERY INteresting and SCarey MUST WATCH) PANORAMA
Here is a video documenting some of the deaths linked to the church. uk.youtube.com/watch
And here is a video from a reporter who tried to video tape a PUBLIC scientology gathering www.youtube.com/watch
So... what do you guys think? Are you guys as worried as I am about this stuff?
here is the press release
"Anonymous" releases statements outlining "War on Scientology"
January 23, 2008
The Internet-based group "Anonymous" has released statements on YouTube and via a press release, outlining what they call a "War on Scientology". Church of Scientology related websites, such as religiousfreedomwatch.org have been removed due to a suspected distributed denial-of-service-attack (DDoS) by a group calling themselves "Anonymous". On Friday, the same group allegedly brought down Scientology's main website, scientology.org, which was available sporadically throughout the weekend.
Several websites relating to the Church of Scientology have been slowed down, brought to a complete halt or seemingly removed from the Internet completely in an attack which seems to be continuous. The scientology.org site was back online briefly on Monday, and is currently loading slowly.
On Monday, the group released a video titled: "Message to Scientology" on YouTube concerning their intentions to attack the Church of Scientology. A robotic voice on the video begins with "Hello leaders of Scientology. We are Anonymous," and continues by explaining their motivations: "Over the years we have been watching you, your campaigns of misinformation, your suppression of dissent and your litigious nature. All of these things have caught our eye. With the leakage of your latest propaganda video into mainstream circulation the extent of your malign influence over those who have come to trust you as leaders has been made clear to us. Anonymous has therefore decided that your organisation should be destroyed." The message goes on to state that the group intends to "expel Scientology from the Internet". As of Wednesday, the video had been viewed 370,347 times, favorited 2,473 times, and is currently YouTube's top third video of the day.
So again.. I ask.. what are your personal opinons about the church of scientology? or about this war?
I didn't think about it until now, but the questions about crimes the scis were repeatedly asking the reporter seem to make sense to me. I wonder if those scis had been spoon-fed false claims and slander concerning the reporter in the fourth video. So maybe the scis actually thought the reporter was a child molester because they had heard as much from their fellow scientologists. You gotta love the eerie beat in the background from one of the videos that sounds like it came right out of the sound track for Invasion of the Body Snatchers... LOL
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
Originally posted by Syncrosonix Originally posted by bluberryhaze pardon the ingnorance and i havent read these threads but... in the south park episode, were the explanations of on the founding and beliefs of scientology accurate?
Compared to what other religions have done it's not that terrible. However considering that we now live in the 21th century (I believe we do, USA got some strange counting for time) the most things done here in both the 20th and 21th century are all quite terrible.
However the funniest and strangest thing about Scientology is that people actually believe in the stuff they say. The funniest thing is that what the South Park episode says is the truth. I laughed true the whole explanation and couldn't understand that anyone actually believes in it.
Compared to what other religions have done it's not that terrible. However considering that we now live in the 21th century (I believe we do, USA got some strange counting for time) the most things done here in both the 20th and 21th century are all quite terrible. However the funniest and strangest thing about Scientology is that people actually believe in the stuff they say. The funniest thing is that what the South Park episode says is the truth. I laughed true the whole explanation and couldn't understand that anyone actually believes in it.
Well thats the problem with scientology... All their beliefs aren't revealed to all the believers..
You only learn about Xenu and teegeeak and the volcano.. and the DC8 75 million years ago after you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars..
And apparently after Hubbard died.. the new guy in charge has made it pretty much illegal to talk about the end beliefs (xenu and such) in public and with people that dont know it.
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
I'd find Scientology funny as hell, if it weren't so dangerous. These people act like the mafia.
I had a friend get sucked into the group back when I lived in Orlando several years ago. He freaked out and tried to get out, and was stalked by these people. It led to many creepy situations. They'd call him at all hours until he switched numbers, knock on his door in the middle of the night, park outside his appartment and watch him, and even tried to run him off the road once. Some friends of mine and I even got caught in a scuffle with them when they were trying to harrass him.
I believe in religious tolerance, that is to say I will tolerate your religion so long as it stays away from me. I don't have to hold hands with you and sing songs about how great everyone's faith is. So when I publicly denounce a 'faith' it's because they've violated that rule. Scientology has, on many occasions.
Originally posted by Godliest Compared to what other religions have done it's not that terrible. However considering that we now live in the 21th century (I believe we do, USA got some strange counting for time) the most things done here in both the 20th and 21th century are all quite terrible. However the funniest and strangest thing about Scientology is that people actually believe in the stuff they say. The funniest thing is that what the South Park episode says is the truth. I laughed true the whole explanation and couldn't understand that anyone actually believes in it.
Well thats the problem with scientology... All their beliefs aren't revealed to all the believers..
You only learn about Xenu and teegeeak and the volcano.. and the DC8 75 million years ago after you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars..
And apparently after Hubbard died.. the new guy in charge has made it pretty much illegal to talk about the end beliefs (xenu and such) in public and with people that dont know it.
This is entirely the point, next to every religion has done horrible things in the name of their gods; Abused, used, slandered, demonized, pillaged and murdered all in the name of a greater "good". The issue here is that we don't generally agree with this dogma anymore and as Scientology is acting much in the same manner as religions of old, in a time where it is generally unacceptable, well, it just shouldn't fly and needs to be obliterated.
For anyone who want's Scientology's full documentation in PDF format just PM me, I'll hand out a link where you can download it. People pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for this stuff, get it while it's hot.
To hell with Pm's post them links. I am sure a lot of people would have a heyday reading that stuff.
I guess its time to stop supporting actors involved with this cult. I always considered actors over paid. This just solidify's that notion.
As for the video. It would only take twice for an idiot to stalk me like that in the BBC clip. First time I would warn him, second time I would take it as far as his stupid ass would push me.
I am actually surprised the reporter, and co-workers in the BBC clip kept their cool for the most part.
Edit. to clarify, I am not anti-religion anything. If anything at all I am anti-social unless its people I have built close bonds with. But I don't mess with people about their beliefs or lifestyle and could careless until it crosses a line that shouldn't be crossed in my mind. I am the live and let live kind of person, or it is how i view myself. I never had anyone else suggest to me other wise. This cult crosses "The Line" to the extreme.
Something tells me it will not be to long before we see something fairly bad related to this group. Hell just from what I saw in those videos alone. I would not be surprised if at some point in the future they are put the list of known terrorists organizations.
Originally posted by gnomexxx Originally posted by -aLpHa- They are scary as hell, good that they aren't allowed in Germany.
I find Scientology scary too. But a country banning a religion, I find that even scarier.
They aren't allowed because they don't meet the criteria to become a religous group, they are recognized as a Cult. BTW they are banned in most of the EU countrys and i don't think anyone is unhappy about it here.
Scientology is a load of crap, and its NOT a religion, no matter what that little pip squeek, shit for brains Tom Cruise or anyone else claims its a CULT. Gods create religions, people create cults. L. Ron Hubbard was certainly no god.
All religions started out as cults, when they became more accepted they started deeming other religions as cults. The evil pagan cult worshipers of today make the status quo of tomorrow.
Many religions are like Scientology, like Christianity, believing in a fabled undead jewish hippy who was his own dad and went to earth to be killed to prove to himself that he should forgive all the humans and quit erradicating cities and dashing babes against rocks for their wrong deeds, except he would have already known that since he knows everything. So when you do something wrong like masterbate, he knows it, but he is going to punish you anyway in a magical land in the center of the earth filled with fire and bad things, because after all he loves you and in his infinite wisdom he just wants you to stop doing the basic functions that he himself designed you to do. And we know this because Zombie Jesus came from outerspace, or heaven, and visited Paul so that he could write the story down and then later other people, apostles, who claim to have known Jesus wrote stuff down too, even if they contridicted each other, then later they had a big meeting and voted on whose stories they liked the best and put it in a magical tome, that when read will save you from thought and responsibility.
Gods are the origin of religion and people create gods
So yeah, Scientology is crap, but if you are going down that road all religions are.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Scientology is a load of crap, and its NOT a religion, no matter what that little pip squeek, shit for brains Tom Cruise or anyone else claims its a CULT. Gods create religions, people create cults. L. Ron Hubbard was certainly no god.
All religions started out as cults, when they became more accepted they started deeming other religions as cults. The evil pagan cult worshipers of today make the status quo of tomorrow.
Many religions are like Scientology, like Christianity, believing in a fabled undead jewish hippy who was his own dad and went to earth to be killed to prove to himself that he should forgive all the humans and quit erradicating cities and dashing babes against rocks for their wrong deeds, except he would have already known that since he knows everything. So when you do something wrong like masterbate, he knows it, but he is going to punish you anyway in a magical land in the center of the earth filled with fire and bad things, because after all he loves you and in his infinite wisdom he just wants you to stop doing the basic functions that he himself designed you to do. And we know this because Zombie Jesus came from outerspace, or heaven, and visited Paul so that he could write the story down and then later other people, apostles, who claim to have known Jesus wrote stuff down too, even if they contridicted each other, then later they had a big meeting and voted on whose stories they liked the best and put it in a magical tome, that when read will save you from thought and responsibility.
Gods are the origin of religion and people create gods
So yeah, Scientology is crap, but if you are going down that road all religions are.
The difference being that with christianity.. You are TOLD their beliefs from the beginning.. And advancing in the church or rather becoming a better christian does not require you to lie, cheat, steal, hide, stalk or do anything else to people who are critical of christianity. Becoming a better christian also does not involve paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to rank up.
Its absolutely ridiculous that people who pay $360,000 over a long stretch of time are only then enabled to be INVITED into the level called Operating Thetan.. at which time they have to spend MORE time and money to level up .. and when they reach a certain level they are finally told the true beliefs and back bone of scientology (xenu and such).
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs ... but to bamboozle your own members like this.. to swindle sooo much money out of them.. is TOTALLY wrong...
In christianity... offering and tidthes are a suggestion... You have to do it of your own free will for it to be worth any thing..
In scientology.. its a requirement.. you HAVE to pay or else you will not be saved...
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
People pay for all kinds of things that they think are true which have no backing. Scientology being one. Religion makes numerous claims that either have no foundation in reality or are just flat out impossible, but what is sells more than anything is a feeling of being special.
We allow people to use alcohol, nicotine and caffine why not religion, and I would argue other drugs as well but that is a different issue. So I think they should be able to waste their money on whatever makes them feel good.
Are Scientologists being swindled, yes, but I think so are Christians anytime they pay a faith healer or buy a bible. Scientology happens to be more obvious. Really it is their problem though.
No I don't think Scientologists should be allowed to accost other people, just like Christians shouldn't be allowed to bomb abortion clinics or try to legislate their religious beliefs into law.
My main point was that the only thing that seperates religion and cult is the size and social acceptance. So I find saying that Scientology is a crazy cult based ona sci-fi story and not a religion a little funny beacause I find all religion to be crazy.
Personally I think the world would be a better place without religion at all.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
What can I say, religion is a good racket, People pay for all kinds of things that they think are true which have no backing. Scientology being one. Religion makes numerous claims that either have no foundation in reality or are just flat out impossible, but what is sells more than anything is a feeling of being special. We allow people to use alcohol, nicotine and caffine why not religion, and I would argue other drugs as well but that is a different issue. So I think they should be able to waste their money on whatever makes them feel good. Are Scientologists being swindled, yes, but I think so are Christians anytime they pay a faith healer or buy a bible. Scientology happens to be more obvious. Really it is their problem though. No I don't think Scientologists should be allowed to accost other people, just like Christians shouldn't be allowed to bomb abortion clinics or try to legislate their religious beliefs into law. My main point was that the only thing that seperates religion and cult is the size and social acceptance. So I find saying that Scientology is a crazy cult based ona sci-fi story and not a religion a little funny beacause I find all religion to be crazy. Personally I think the world would be a better place without religion at all.
I dont think people call it a cult because of the beliefs..
They call it a cult because of the actions of the church.
Buying a bible is TOTALLY different because you can find EVERY single word of the bible online and Christians would be HAPPY if you read it.. In fact most christians i know.. would freely BUY a bible for you if you wanted one.. so that you could spread the word..
Not scientology.. If so much as a sentence is found anywhere but in their church.. they will SUE till kingdom comes.. Then stalk you... Picket your house.. Release false information about you and your family.. Release your address and stuff online... All kinds of crap..
Personally though.. I dont really think scientology is a cult... Because usually cults have one or many really influencial people who control the masses... but it seems to me like scientology is a really cunning pyramid scheme.....
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
I dont think people call it a cult because of the beliefs.. They call it a cult because of the actions of the church. Buying a bible is TOTALLY different because you can find EVERY single word of the bible online and Christians would be HAPPY if you read it.. In fact most christians i know.. would freely BUY a bible for you if you wanted one.. so that you could spread the word.. Not scientology.. If so much as a sentence is found anywhere but in their church.. they will SUE till kingdom comes.. Then stalk you... Picket your house.. Release false information about you and your family.. Release your address and stuff online... All kinds of crap.. Personally though.. I dont really think scientology is a cult... Because usually cults have one or many really influencial people who control the masses... but it seems to me like scientology is a really cunning pyramid scheme.....
I have read the Bible, I was comparing it to buying into Scientology because they both are selling fiction and passing it off as fact, which I find intellectually dishonest. You can just put the bible online because the copyright ran out.
Is Scientology crap copyrighted anyway?
Yeah Scientology is a pyramid scheme, and I deffinatly think that they shouldn't be allowed to sue people for talking about it, unless they have some crazy claus written in the handbook lol
I wouldn't ban it's practice though, not that you said you would but someone here did, or maybe that was Germany, for the same reason I wouldn't ban spoon bending classes or acupuncture, they may just be loads of crap designed to make money, but I think people should be allowed to waste their time and life how they see fit.
Yeah I get the feeling that Scientologist don't even believe in Scientology, it just makes them feel cool, Scientology is like New Age for for rich people.
This doesn't excuse the actions of scientologists though and people should here about them.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
I try as hard as i can to keep myself open to all and any relegion. No one really knows what will happen when we die and any relegion who either
1. Looks down on another people 2. Shuns another type of poeple 3. preaches that if you are not exactly this then you will go to hell (or its equivalent) or 4. uses violance to non believers is not in fact a relegion at all. I just think it is all assinine, and the sad thing is all the I have previously stated makes damn near every relegion just assinine.
What is worse is relegions that form to make a profit on those silly enough to beleive it.
I personally beleive "GOD" is up in heaven watching us and just laughing at us for how stupid we are....
Starting by saying sorry to all the idiots who don't have any humour and is going to rant me. But why does the islamic community not target this "religion" who is based upon ignorant idiots. Religion isn't about finding the answer, but believing there is something more than what meets the eye. Thus scientology isn't a religion, it's just plain science.
All I say is... JIHAD them.
Can you explain to me what scientology has to do with science?
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
Starting by saying sorry to all the idiots who don't have any humour and is going to rant me. But why does the islamic community not target this "religion" who is based upon ignorant idiots. Religion isn't about finding the answer, but believing there is something more than what meets the eye. Thus scientology isn't a religion, it's just plain science.
All I say is... JIHAD them.
Can you explain to me what scientology has to do with science?
That's an easy one. Just stick a big ole' pseudo- in front of it, things start to make sense.
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Scientology is a load of crap, and its NOT a religion, no matter what that little pip squeek, shit for brains Tom Cruise or anyone else claims its a CULT.
Gods create religions, people create cults. L. Ron Hubbard was certainly no god.
So again.. I ask.. what are your personal opinons about the church of scientology? or about this war?
Lol. I had to laugh at the fourth video. You could tell that those guys were grabbing for straws. They either weren't good debaters or they just didn't have any good arguments. I could have seen that guy's outburst coming in the second video. He did seem like he was harassing the Sci's a bit. I doubt very little that it was without reason, however what goes around comes around. He ticked some people off, so inevitably he got a little steamed himself. Interesting videos. From what I've seen of them Scientology seems to be an organization of whack-jobs. I've seen some Christians get a little annoyed from atheist reporters, but I haven't ever seen them get up in someone's face, stalk them, spread slander or mudsling.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
One of the top most leaders of the Church of Scientology (she reached the highest level) left the church in 2000.... Here she is talking about it just 2 months after she left. She now does speaches and such across the country speaking out against the church
Part 1(her history and what she used to do in the church) www.youtube.com/watch
Part 2 (MUST WATCH): www.youtube.com/watch
EDIT: HOLY CRAP!! Scientology SUED THE IRS TO get Tax exempt status!!
www.youtube.com/watch
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
I used to preach responsibility to these guys when I frequented the site, speaking on what they could do in place of the BS Habbo Hotel and random MySpace harassment. Although I'm glad to see they finally are attacking something which needs to be systematically exterminated I am not sure if this will be the direction they will go in the future.
This has always been about peer fame and laughs, if it truly is about something of worth, I am very happy.
- Burying Threads Since 1979 -
I wish the American government would take down scientology for good- but maybe then this wouldn't be America anymore like gnome kinda said. Maybe we'll get lucky and Scientology and Al Qaeda will fight eachother to their mutual destruction.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
pardon the ingnorance and i havent read these threads but...
in the south park episode, were the explanations of on the founding and beliefs of scientology accurate?
-I will subtlety invade your psyche-
That's about what I think of scientology. It sucks.
for some strange reason, blue text has always been easy on my eyes. it's when white text with a black background that eventually makes my eyes burn and my vision becomes blurry. i shall try another color. it shall be grey.scientology shall crash and burn some day. i hope that it's within my lifetime, or that all of the members commit mass suicide. that'd be great news, too.
pretty much. check out:
theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
So again.. I ask.. what are your personal opinons about the church of scientology? or about this war?
I didn't think about it until now, but the questions about crimes the scis were repeatedly asking the reporter seem to make sense to me. I wonder if those scis had been spoon-fed false claims and slander concerning the reporter in the fourth video. So maybe the scis actually thought the reporter was a child molester because they had heard as much from their fellow scientologists. You gotta love the eerie beat in the background from one of the videos that sounds like it came right out of the sound track for Invasion of the Body Snatchers... LOL
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
Compared to what other religions have done it's not that terrible. However considering that we now live in the 21th century (I believe we do, USA got some strange counting for time) the most things done here in both the 20th and 21th century are all quite terrible.
However the funniest and strangest thing about Scientology is that people actually believe in the stuff they say. The funniest thing is that what the South Park episode says is the truth. I laughed true the whole explanation and couldn't understand that anyone actually believes in it.
Well thats the problem with scientology... All their beliefs aren't revealed to all the believers..
You only learn about Xenu and teegeeak and the volcano.. and the DC8 75 million years ago after you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars..
And apparently after Hubbard died.. the new guy in charge has made it pretty much illegal to talk about the end beliefs (xenu and such) in public and with people that dont know it.
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
I'd find Scientology funny as hell, if it weren't so dangerous. These people act like the mafia.
I had a friend get sucked into the group back when I lived in Orlando several years ago. He freaked out and tried to get out, and was stalked by these people. It led to many creepy situations. They'd call him at all hours until he switched numbers, knock on his door in the middle of the night, park outside his appartment and watch him, and even tried to run him off the road once. Some friends of mine and I even got caught in a scuffle with them when they were trying to harrass him.
I believe in religious tolerance, that is to say I will tolerate your religion so long as it stays away from me. I don't have to hold hands with you and sing songs about how great everyone's faith is. So when I publicly denounce a 'faith' it's because they've violated that rule. Scientology has, on many occasions.
Well thats the problem with scientology... All their beliefs aren't revealed to all the believers..
You only learn about Xenu and teegeeak and the volcano.. and the DC8 75 million years ago after you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars..
And apparently after Hubbard died.. the new guy in charge has made it pretty much illegal to talk about the end beliefs (xenu and such) in public and with people that dont know it.
This is entirely the point, next to every religion has done horrible things in the name of their gods; Abused, used, slandered, demonized, pillaged and murdered all in the name of a greater "good". The issue here is that we don't generally agree with this dogma anymore and as Scientology is acting much in the same manner as religions of old, in a time where it is generally unacceptable, well, it just shouldn't fly and needs to be obliterated.
For anyone who want's Scientology's full documentation in PDF format just PM me, I'll hand out a link where you can download it. People pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for this stuff, get it while it's hot.
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To hell with Pm's post them links. I am sure a lot of people would have a heyday reading that stuff.
I guess its time to stop supporting actors involved with this cult. I always considered actors over paid. This just solidify's that notion.
As for the video. It would only take twice for an idiot to stalk me like that in the BBC clip. First time I would warn him, second time I would take it as far as his stupid ass would push me.
I am actually surprised the reporter, and co-workers in the BBC clip kept their cool for the most part.
Edit. to clarify, I am not anti-religion anything. If anything at all I am anti-social unless its people I have built close bonds with. But I don't mess with people about their beliefs or lifestyle and could careless until it crosses a line that shouldn't be crossed in my mind. I am the live and let live kind of person, or it is how i view myself. I never had anyone else suggest to me other wise. This cult crosses "The Line" to the extreme.
Something tells me it will not be to long before we see something fairly bad related to this group. Hell just from what I saw in those videos alone. I would not be surprised if at some point in the future they are put the list of known terrorists organizations.
They aren't allowed because they don't meet the criteria to become a religous group, they are recognized as a Cult.
BTW they are banned in most of the EU countrys and i don't think anyone is unhappy about it here.
All religions started out as cults, when they became more accepted they started deeming other religions as cults. The evil pagan cult worshipers of today make the status quo of tomorrow.
Many religions are like Scientology, like Christianity, believing in a fabled undead jewish hippy who was his own dad and went to earth to be killed to prove to himself that he should forgive all the humans and quit erradicating cities and dashing babes against rocks for their wrong deeds, except he would have already known that since he knows everything. So when you do something wrong like masterbate, he knows it, but he is going to punish you anyway in a magical land in the center of the earth filled with fire and bad things, because after all he loves you and in his infinite wisdom he just wants you to stop doing the basic functions that he himself designed you to do. And we know this because Zombie Jesus came from outerspace, or heaven, and visited Paul so that he could write the story down and then later other people, apostles, who claim to have known Jesus wrote stuff down too, even if they contridicted each other, then later they had a big meeting and voted on whose stories they liked the best and put it in a magical tome, that when read will save you from thought and responsibility.
Gods are the origin of religion and people create gods
So yeah, Scientology is crap, but if you are going down that road all religions are.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
All religions started out as cults, when they became more accepted they started deeming other religions as cults. The evil pagan cult worshipers of today make the status quo of tomorrow.
Many religions are like Scientology, like Christianity, believing in a fabled undead jewish hippy who was his own dad and went to earth to be killed to prove to himself that he should forgive all the humans and quit erradicating cities and dashing babes against rocks for their wrong deeds, except he would have already known that since he knows everything. So when you do something wrong like masterbate, he knows it, but he is going to punish you anyway in a magical land in the center of the earth filled with fire and bad things, because after all he loves you and in his infinite wisdom he just wants you to stop doing the basic functions that he himself designed you to do. And we know this because Zombie Jesus came from outerspace, or heaven, and visited Paul so that he could write the story down and then later other people, apostles, who claim to have known Jesus wrote stuff down too, even if they contridicted each other, then later they had a big meeting and voted on whose stories they liked the best and put it in a magical tome, that when read will save you from thought and responsibility.
Gods are the origin of religion and people create gods
So yeah, Scientology is crap, but if you are going down that road all religions are.
The difference being that with christianity.. You are TOLD their beliefs from the beginning.. And advancing in the church or rather becoming a better christian does not require you to lie, cheat, steal, hide, stalk or do anything else to people who are critical of christianity. Becoming a better christian also does not involve paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to rank up.
Its absolutely ridiculous that people who pay $360,000 over a long stretch of time are only then enabled to be INVITED into the level called Operating Thetan.. at which time they have to spend MORE time and money to level up .. and when they reach a certain level they are finally told the true beliefs and back bone of scientology (xenu and such).
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs ... but to bamboozle your own members like this.. to swindle sooo much money out of them.. is TOTALLY wrong...
In christianity... offering and tidthes are a suggestion... You have to do it of your own free will for it to be worth any thing..
In scientology.. its a requirement.. you HAVE to pay or else you will not be saved...
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What can I say, religion is a good racket,
People pay for all kinds of things that they think are true which have no backing. Scientology being one. Religion makes numerous claims that either have no foundation in reality or are just flat out impossible, but what is sells more than anything is a feeling of being special.
We allow people to use alcohol, nicotine and caffine why not religion, and I would argue other drugs as well but that is a different issue. So I think they should be able to waste their money on whatever makes them feel good.
Are Scientologists being swindled, yes, but I think so are Christians anytime they pay a faith healer or buy a bible. Scientology happens to be more obvious. Really it is their problem though.
No I don't think Scientologists should be allowed to accost other people, just like Christians shouldn't be allowed to bomb abortion clinics or try to legislate their religious beliefs into law.
My main point was that the only thing that seperates religion and cult is the size and social acceptance. So I find saying that Scientology is a crazy cult based ona sci-fi story and not a religion a little funny beacause I find all religion to be crazy.
Personally I think the world would be a better place without religion at all.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
I dont think people call it a cult because of the beliefs..
They call it a cult because of the actions of the church.
Buying a bible is TOTALLY different because you can find EVERY single word of the bible online and Christians would be HAPPY if you read it.. In fact most christians i know.. would freely BUY a bible for you if you wanted one.. so that you could spread the word..
Not scientology.. If so much as a sentence is found anywhere but in their church.. they will SUE till kingdom comes.. Then stalk you... Picket your house.. Release false information about you and your family.. Release your address and stuff online... All kinds of crap..
Personally though.. I dont really think scientology is a cult... Because usually cults have one or many really influencial people who control the masses... but it seems to me like scientology is a really cunning pyramid scheme.....
What's your Wu Name?
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Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
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arguing with a corporate fanboi is like teaching special education.
even if you teach him something...at the end of the day he's still retarded.
Is Scientology crap copyrighted anyway?
Yeah Scientology is a pyramid scheme, and I deffinatly think that they shouldn't be allowed to sue people for talking about it, unless they have some crazy claus written in the handbook lol
I wouldn't ban it's practice though, not that you said you would but someone here did, or maybe that was Germany, for the same reason I wouldn't ban spoon bending classes or acupuncture, they may just be loads of crap designed to make money, but I think people should be allowed to waste their time and life how they see fit.
Yeah I get the feeling that Scientologist don't even believe in Scientology, it just makes them feel cool, Scientology is like New Age for for rich people.
This doesn't excuse the actions of scientologists though and people should here about them.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Starting by saying sorry to all the idiots who don't have any humour and is going to rant me.
But why does the islamic community not target this "religion" who is based upon ignorant idiots.
Religion isn't about finding the answer, but believing there is something more than what meets the eye.
Thus scientology isn't a religion, it's just plain science.
All I say is... JIHAD them.
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I try as hard as i can to keep myself open to all and any relegion. No one really knows what will happen when we die and any relegion who either
1. Looks down on another people 2. Shuns another type of poeple 3. preaches that if you are not exactly this then you will go to hell (or its equivalent) or 4. uses violance to non believers is not in fact a relegion at all. I just think it is all assinine, and the sad thing is all the I have previously stated makes damn near every relegion just assinine.
What is worse is relegions that form to make a profit on those silly enough to beleive it.
I personally beleive "GOD" is up in heaven watching us and just laughing at us for how stupid we are....
Can you explain to me what scientology has to do with science?
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Can you explain to me what scientology has to do with science?
That's an easy one. Just stick a big ole' pseudo- in front of it, things start to make sense.