Something tells me it will not be to long before we see something fairly bad related to this group. Hell just from what I saw in those videos alone. I would not be surprised if at some point in the future they are put the list of known terrorists organizations.
LOL! Good call! I could totally see that- "Scienterrorism." It would take a pretty significant series of events as a catalyst... Say their known leadership structure finally all got busted, they lose the support of the Hollywood power brokers... Elements of scientology might go underground at that point and start reorganizing and lashing out.
It could happen. Good call.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Starting by saying sorry to all the idiots who don't have any humour and is going to rant me. But why does the islamic community not target this "religion" who is based upon ignorant idiots. Religion isn't about finding the answer, but believing there is something more than what meets the eye. Thus scientology isn't a religion, it's just plain science fiction.
All I say is... JIHAD them.
Can you explain to me what scientology has to do with science?
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Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Scientology is nothing more than a crimimal organization masquarading as a religion. I mean, you're talking about a group who lies and deciet to get new memebers, literaly steals their money by forcing them to buy various scientology videos, books, brochures, etc. They force their memebers to go to scientology approved doctors--doctors that talk to you and prescribe vitamins, no matter the illness. This is a group also known for intimidating their critics with laywers, private detectives and church members.
Something tells me it will not be to long before we see something fairly bad related to this group. Hell just from what I saw in those videos alone. I would not be surprised if at some point in the future they are put the list of known terrorists organizations.
LOL! Good call! I could totally see that- "Scienterrorism." It would take a pretty significant series of events as a catalyst... Say their known leadership structure finally all got busted, they lose the support of the Hollywood power brokers... Elements of scientology might go underground at that point and start reorganizing and lashing out.
It could happen. Good call.
Well I mean really.. Maybe terrorism was a bit far. How about organized crime.
Lets see, Supposedly they encourage people to take whatever means they must to attack critics of their religion? Now that's a major red flag right there.
The video where they are war decking anonymous. (or who the heck ever)... If it is actually sponsored by this group that also creates a red flag in my mind.
The things I find most disturbing about those videos people seem to have overlooked in this thread. You don't haunt, stalk take whatever means you have access to, to destroy someone who simply disagree's with you.
I also can not believe no one in this thread has really stressed the connection yet with this group being very actor heavy in terms of vocal support. Taking into consideration everything that is going on atm with these guys.
My best advice to anyone associated with this group. In all seriousness don't drink or eat anything these people serve at their functions.
Scientology is yet another man-made religious theory...Or group of shall I say...
It's all BS, and serves to manipulate the weak into doing their bidding... You guys hear about that group of religious folks who tell marines that they are going to hell and all that other stuff? Yeah.. Same concept.. Brainwashed weakness..
Everyone creates their own "bible" and "gods" and other morally "important" characters, in order to bend perception and lend a hand in their great plan... Those so called "christians" in the middle east have been killing each other for ages, and isn't that "supposed" to be a sin?
I can't believe some people fall for this mess.. And then pop a face up there like Tom Cruise (because we all know how "important" stars are in this society.. Gods among mortal men or some bullsh...) and watch the money roll in.. They are selling Taebo tapes.. A new system to govern the weak and pityful... And so far they are living rich...
While Scientology has some strange beliefs, that isn't what really makes it dangerous to an individual (and society). Religious Cult's, and Scientology is one, use psychological means to gain new members and to control them. Once they set their hooks they go about isolating the individual and limiting outside contact to a controlled environment.
According to the Cult Awareness Network, whose 23 chapters monitor more than 200 "mind control" cults, no group prompts more telephone pleas for help than does Scientology. Says Cynthia Kisser, the network's Chicago-based executive director: "Scientology is quite likely the most ruthless, the most classically terroristic, the most litigious and the most lucrative cult the country has ever seen. No cult extracts more money from its members."*
It should be noted that Scientology put the Cult Awareness Network out of business and in fact now runs the organization (they are that freaking bad news). If you went to the Cult Awareness Network website they even went so far as to write a back story about how the OLD Cult Awareness Network and just about everyone associated with it are evil incarnate and corrupt.
I really don't see what Tom Cruise has been rambling about with scientology. Its not actually a religion but a pursuit for knowledge. They don't actually ask you to change your beliefs but question them and find what you believe to be true. The tools like measuring quatlus is mearely a means they use to guage a persons happiness and attempt to make a persons life more enjoyable, To me, its like those personality quizes that attempt to find what kind of personality you have then pair you with something you might enjoy.
I took their online personality test once because my cousin took me to the site. For over a year one of the people who run one of their 'Dianetic treatment centers' called me at least twice a week trying to get me to come in so that I could do the purification rundown. This includes eating nothing but fruits and vegetables, running for hours on end and sitting in a sauna until your sweat supposedly turns black. This is their way of cleaning the toxins out of your body. I kept telling him I wasn't interested, but he kept calling me 'just to chat', which would eventually come around to him going, so man, when are you coming in? It was creepy, and I have never heard anyone who swore as much in casual conversation as this guy did. The whole thing was just plain weird, and I'm glad he eventually stopped calling.
I really don't see what Tom Cruise has been rambling about with scientology. Its not actually a religion but a pursuit for knowledge. They don't actually ask you to change your beliefs but question them and find what you believe to be true. The tools like measuring quatlus is mearely a means they use to guage a persons happiness and attempt to make a persons life more enjoyable, To me, its like those personality quizes that attempt to find what kind of personality you have then pair you with something you might enjoy.
It sounds pretty good on the surface, doesn't it? It is, at least until you find out that their personality tests are scewed to always show that a person has personality problems. Of course the only thing that can help is Scientology and to become happy, you must invest thousands of dollars into self-help books, videos and classes. Then it turns out that to become truly happy, you must volunteer at one of their centers.
Then comes the famous E-Meter. The crude lie detector which is used in something called "auditing" -- a process which forces a person to reveal all of their inner secrets in order to rid one-self of clinging souls.
And that's not all! By the time you're into auditing, you've probably signed up to be a part of the Sea Org for a billion years. Since Scientologists believe in reincarnation, a billion years is a great investement into the best organization in the world!
Oh, but Scientology does not force it's believes onto people. No it doesn't. It brainwashes the beliefs out of the poor chaps who got caught up in it. By the time they are done with you, you'll believe that Xenu is the all mighty and evil emperor and DC-8s are the standard mode of intergalactic transportation. By the time they are done with you, you'll believe that postnatal depression, AIDS and cancer are easily cured with excerise and vitamins. And lastly, your right before attaining your "clear" status (removing all of the clinging souls via auditing) you will come to realize that psychiatrists are Xenu's evil henchmen hellbent on brainwashing you.
That is unless you become part of the poor people listed on the link posted bellow.
Well scientology prides themselves on their ability to rehabilitate Criminals and those with substance abuse.
They use psychology although they wouldn't admit to it, and as previously said they prey on the weak minded that are in need of help.
If you're an alcoholic and need help, and a scientologist displaces the need for alcohol with the need for what scientology provides (which is unforgiving, relentless, fanatical camraderie at the expense of your willpower and local currency) then I'm sure you'd be all for it. On the surface you feel like you've been cured of your alcoholism, but deep down you're just as much of an addict as ever.
Some wonder how they keep on, but it's simple, they keep pushing on what the "church" can do, and someone very high up with a ruthless mentality sits back and watched the money roll in. I feel bad because some people that are in scientology really do want to help people, but they are confused in thinking that scientology is the way to do that.
Alot of members just need someone to talk to, someone to help them, and something to be a part of to feel like their lives mean something, and for a nominal fee scientology does that. I don't know why they don't just join a gym or country club like normal people, but hey, what can ya do ah?
I really don't see what Tom Cruise has been rambling about with scientology. Its not actually a religion but a pursuit for knowledge. They don't actually ask you to change your beliefs but question them and find what you believe to be true. The tools like measuring quatlus is mearely a means they use to guage a persons happiness and attempt to make a persons life more enjoyable, To me, its like those personality quizes that attempt to find what kind of personality you have then pair you with something you might enjoy.
It sounds pretty good on the surface, doesn't it? It is, at least until you find out that their personality tests are scewed to always show that a person has personality problems. Of course the only thing that can help is Scientology and to become happy, you must invest thousands of dollars into self-help books, videos and classes. Then it turns out that to become truly happy, you must volunteer at one of their centers.
Then comes the famous E-Meter. The crude lie detector which is used in something called "auditing" -- a process which forces a person to reveal all of their inner secrets in order to rid one-self of clinging souls.
And that's not all! By the time you're into auditing, you've probably signed up to be a part of the Sea Org for a billion years. Since Scientologists believe in reincarnation, a billion years is a great investement into the best organization in the world?
Oh, but Scientology does not force it's believes onto people. No it doesn't. It brainwashes the beliefs out of the poor chaps who got caught up in it. By the time they are done with you, you'll believe that Xenu is the all mighty and evil emperor and DC-8s are the standard mode of intergalactic transportation. By the time they are done with you, you'll believe that postnatal depression, AIDS and cancer are easily cured with excerise and vitamins. And lastly, your right before attaining your "clear" status (removing all of the clinging souls via auditing) you will come to realize that psychiatrists are Xenu's evil henchmen hellbent on brainwashing you.
That is unless you become part of the poor people listed on the link posted bellow.
I really don't see what Tom Cruise has been rambling about with scientology. Its not actually a religion but a pursuit for knowledge. They don't actually ask you to change your beliefs but question them and find what you believe to be true. The tools like measuring quatlus is mearely a means they use to guage a persons happiness and attempt to make a persons life more enjoyable, To me, its like those personality quizes that attempt to find what kind of personality you have then pair you with something you might enjoy.
Why would I want to measure my happiness? I know that I'm happiest when I'm sitting around naked in front of my big screen televsion watching Dr Phil and chugging a case of beer.
Why would I want to mess that up with things like measuring quatlus, quizes, and audits. Audits do not make me happy, they cut into my beer money.....and what if the person they paired me with was also a guy....
No, this Scientology stuff is definately for people that have a screw loose.....
If you are against the organization called scientology and the shady things they have been doing.... I think everyone has been gearing up for a February 10th public protest..
So find your nearest Church of Scientology and go out on sunday 10th of February at i guess 11 AM? with flyers are such
Here is a forum where they are organizing meetups and such. They also have fliers in digital form so you can download, print out and bring with you.: forums.enturbulation.org/viewforum.php
Remember the purpose of the demonstration is NOT to hurt or harm people or hurt or harm the church directly. The object of the demonstration is to share the truth.. Get the truth out to people who are interested in scientology and what happens there.. Even currently scientologist need to hear some truth every now and again.
So if some of you really believe what you have been saying. Then.. support... This isn't about hating a religion.. This isn't about hating aliens.. This is about trying to stop an organization that has already conspired against and breached the US Government.. not to mention the little thing about killing people..... If they are capable of doing that.. what else are they capable of?
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
After hearing that anonamous about protesting to the church of scientology, all i could think if is this would be the perfect moment to wear the V for Vendetta mask lol.
If you are against the organization called scientology and the shady things they have been doing.... I think everyone has been gearing up for a February 10th public protest..
So find your nearest Church of Scientology and go out on sunday 10th of February at i guess 11 AM? with flyers are such
Here is a link to find some protest locations: harbl.wetfish.net/cosplay/ Here is a forum where they are organizing meetups and such. They also have fliers in digital form so you can download, print out and bring with you.: forums.enturbulation.org/viewforum.php
Remember the purpose of the demonstration is NOT to hurt or harm people or hurt or harm the church directly. The object of the demonstration is to share the truth.. Get the truth out to people who are interested in scientology and what happens there.. Even currently scientologist need to hear some truth every now and again.
So if some of you really believe what you have been saying. Then.. support... This isn't about hating a religion.. This isn't about hating aliens.. This is about trying to stop an organization that has already conspired against and breached the US Government.. not to mention the little thing about killing people..... If they are capable of doing that.. what else are they capable of?
After hearing that anonamous about protesting to the church of scientology, all i could think if is this would be the perfect moment to wear the V for Vendetta mask lol. I am legion we are many lol
Well. actually.. that's what the protesters have been wearing so far.. at many protests
In areas that allow masks to be worn legally during a protest.. Anon members have been weaering the Vendetta masks
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
As well as the Cult Awareness Network, they also run a pseudo-help group called Narconon. The aim is for people to confuse it with the actually Narcotics Anonymous (NA). From here they get addicts who are trying to help themselves and indoctrinate them. Their methods are not supported by the general medical community, and their claims of success cannot be verified.
....not that setting yourself up in this fashion is in any way shifty or anything...
Oh no. I'm not getting myself listed as a subversive. You know that they keep a list of people with what they call subversive personalities, right? Next thing you know it's all about Tom Cruise slipping down your chimney and slitting your throat while you sleep.
Scientology has invaded a mall near me with a personality test stand and Dianetics books. Maybe i should dress up like an alien and wander around their area Feb 10th. Have myself an early Halloween.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
You're in a he-said she-said situation. In fact, without careful research you might be presenting false information that the church has put on the net just so they can show their members how false it all is. So a Scientologist will be sure you are now a tool of the conspiracy, out to destroy Scientology. And they will not listen.
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
The thing is, when I first started to study Scientology, out of personal interest and a kind of philosophical wanderlust that I've been cursed with since a young age, I found that I agreed with a lot of their ideas. Not only that, but they coincided quite nicely with the philosophic ideals that had already begun to take shape in my mind after some 10 years of religious dilettantism, years in which I studied or was involved in various cults and established religions; Bahaism, Fundamentalism, Spiritualism, Voodooism, Hinduism, Taoism and Buddhism. I was then and will continue until the day I die to be a seeker of enlightenment. If, at that point in time I had decided to take Scientology for a ride, much the way I had the other religions, well I would still be there today. And don't think they didn't try their damnedest to get me to. I was even offered my own Dianetic Treatment center. All it would have cost was my humanity.
In order to reach the state of being 'Clear' you have to drop all of your engrams, being that engrams are a symptom of the reactive mind. Of course, engrams, as they call them, are the instinctual reactions you have to certain stimuli: Stimuli are events in the environment that influence behavior. Say you were burned by a pot on the stove as a child and thus learned not to touch such things, they would consider this learned reaction an engram. So what in the end are you when you become clear? Basically a robot who has programed himself to act in a fashion that is acceptable to society, but you don't feel anything. When Tom Cruise, who is supposedly the penultimate Scientologist, jumped up on Oprah's couch because he was engaged to Katie Holmes he did so to elicit a reaction from those watching, not because he in fact felt any elation in the matter, just because he wanted you to think he did. It's been suggested that the two were mated together in order to give birth to the reincarnation of L.Ron Hubbard himself. Suri? Strangely enough I believe that the higher level Scientologists do have a breeding program much like that of the Bene Gesserit from the Dune saga, or perhaps more closely related to Eugenics. That's just a supposition on my part though, but I think it's a pretty good bet.
Personally I think the whole Xenu the Evil One bit is just a hoax to give people a reason to mock the validity of the church without delving too deeply into its true purpose, but I've never gotten deep enough into the church to find out if that's the case.
Self hypnosis and an unreasonable aversion to anything or anyone that goes against the teachings of the church...well that's a symptom of any organized religion. Much like my family tries to get me to come back to Christianity, Scientologists don't want their flock to stray far from the herd either. So in the end, is Scientology any worse than any other religion? Nah, it's all pretty much the same package, just with different wrapping.
I think it has been said many many many times.... I dont think anyone here has a problem with Xenu or the religious beliefs of scientologists.. Believe what you want... Personally I really believe that some of Hubbards teachings could be VERY VERY useful.. And i'm not suprised at all that people feel that scientology works for them...
Its the mafia like actions of the ORGANIZATION of scientology.. not the religious beliefs that people have problems with..
Is it really just like every other religion to BREAK INTO THE IRS AND STEAL DOCUMENTS?!?!
is it really just like every other religion to CREATE A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT YOU CONSIDER ENEMIES THAT YOU WILL USE ANY MEANS NECCESSARY TO DESTROY? INCLUDING STRAIGHT OUT LIEING
Is it really just like every other religion to BREAK INTO THE FBI AND CIA AND PLANT BUGS TO LISTEN IN ON MEETINGS?!?
Is it really just like every other religion to STALK THE CHILDREN OF YOUR CRITICS???
Is it really just like every other religion to BREAK INTO ANYONE"S HOUSE THAT HAS CoS DOCUMENTS TO STEAL THEM??????
Is it really just like every other religion to PROTEST THE RELIGION"S PROTESTORS?!?
Is it really just like every other religion to PRETEND YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR MEMBER AFTER THE MEMBER HAS A PSYCHOTIC BREAK?
AND THIS HAS TO BE REPEATED Is it really just like every other religion to BREAK INTO THE IRS AND STEAL DOCUMENTS?!?! WTF ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
*note.. this is just some of the things that they have done.
seriously... Scientology the ORGINATION is a very dangerous one that uses VERY VERY Shady tactics... THAT is what the protest and petition is about... NOT about the individual beliefs...
How do you know this was actually written by L. Ron Hubbard?
Scientology sued Karin Spaink for publishing OT III, claiming she violated their copyrights to their "advanced spiritual technology". In addition, the document displayed on this web page was authenticated by Helena Kobrin, lawyer for Scientology's Religious Technology Center, in a letter sent to Carnegie Mellon's legal counsel on January 24, 1997. Her assistance is much appreciated.
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
Hey, I'm not defending the church or anything, but I'm not going to condemn them for acts that I am not even certain really happened. Do you have links to actual court documents that have convicted them of these crimes? I've heard the horror stories, hell I make jokes about them, but I also have heard of the things that other religions have done. The Salem witch trials ring a bell? The Spanish Inquisition? The Crusades? Religion is all about fanaticism. I'm not saying the Scientology is good, I'm not defending their practices. I know all about the boat trips where people would be tossed overboard, and I've watched videos of interveiws with the man himself where he claims to have knowledge of past lives. Kooky? Oh hell yeah, but have you ever seen the rituals of the Free Masons?
Yeah, I have a copy of OT 3 myself. I know what they say. I know as well that L.Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writter, and it looks more like the plot outline for a book, than an actual religious document. I would never join the church myself, but they do have some very interesting ideas. People to this day mock Charles Darwin, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to support evolution. I'm not going to sit here and feed you validation just because you or someone you know have had problems with the church. I know all about the list of enemies, my cousin's name is on that list. Why? Because he's the one who dowloaded the copy of OT 3 that I now possess. He was stalked by the church longer than I was, and they even sent him a free copy of the Fundamentals of Thought. They've in no way done him harm. The worst they have done was to send him a letter telling him that they knew he has been frequenting 'subversive' sites, and if he wanted to learn about the church they would prefer it if he would come talk to them instead. Oooh...scary. I know about Lisa McPherson too, but I know that Christianity used to believe that they could cure insanity by beating the demons out of you. The introspection rundown is tame by comparison.
When they pull a Jonestown, then I'll recant my words and say; "Well I guess I was wrong about the church." But until then, they don't really seem all that dangerous to me.
I think it has been said many many many times.... I dont think anyone here has a problem with Xenu or the religious beliefs of scientologists..
Pardon me, but let me give you a brief picture from Southpark.
After Stan found out about what scientologists believe regarding Xenu and the whole genocide via volcano thing, he declared "Dude, that's retarded"
To which the leader of Scientology replied "Is it any more retarded than a belief in Jesus? Or that there is a God who has created everything?"
To which Stan replied, "yeah dude, it's way, way more retarded."
Common sense should win out here, I doubt very much that your instincts tell you that there is any validity at all to the Theology of Scientologists Methane.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Pardon me, but let me give you a brief picture from Southpark.
After Stan found out about what scientologists believe regarding Xenu and the whole genocide via volcano thing, he declared "Dude, that's retarded" To which the leader of Scientology replied "Is it any more retarded than a belief in Jesus? Or that there is a God who has created everything?" To which Stan replied, "yeah dude, it's way, way more retarded." Common sense should win out here, I doubt very much that your instincts tell you that there is any validity at all to the Theology of Scientologists Methane.
The common sense you speak of is nothing more than consistancy of knowledge. As the Christian religions are the most widespread in history, especially in the west, their teachings being commonplace do not seem as "out there" as these ones. The truth is, they are all along the same lines, which Methane is correct in identifying. Heck, even Mormons believe in a God that lives in another solar system on a planet near a planet called Kolob, who's God they can one day be exactly like, having their own "earth" and raising millions of spirit children to take the same test we are supposedly taking now.
The point is, Religious beliefs are different, to say one is "more" strange than another is simply an aesthetic objection based off of previous knowledge which has been pounded into your psyche. Logical reality is, Scientology is scary because of its ideologies about outsiders, its actions towards everyone, its long term goals, its beliefs about where they stand and how they are willing to accomplish those plans.
As much as I love Trey and Matt, you might want to step back and understand that although they do a lot to bring information to another generation of people they still are ultimately there to entertain, not to mention they still have their own bias points of view. If Scientology simply believed what they believed and did not declare war on, harm, and the plot the destruction of outsiders, while attempting to retain full control over those within their church all while planning the manipulation and overthrow of the current world governments, then, they wouldn't be deemed in any special way, just merely another religion, that was probably started by a man, feigning divine knowledge and contact with a God.
If everyone cannibalized eachother in our culture, it's very unlikely you would find it as appalling. The same goes for incest, beastiality, slavery, and genocide. Anything can become palatable if one is born into an accepting cultural structure which enforces said practices.
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LOL! Good call! I could totally see that- "Scienterrorism." It would take a pretty significant series of events as a catalyst... Say their known leadership structure finally all got busted, they lose the support of the Hollywood power brokers... Elements of scientology might go underground at that point and start reorganizing and lashing out.
It could happen. Good call.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Can you explain to me what scientology has to do with science?
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Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Scientology is nothing more than a crimimal organization masquarading as a religion. I mean, you're talking about a group who lies and deciet to get new memebers, literaly steals their money by forcing them to buy various scientology videos, books, brochures, etc. They force their memebers to go to scientology approved doctors--doctors that talk to you and prescribe vitamins, no matter the illness. This is a group also known for intimidating their critics with laywers, private detectives and church members.
LOL! Good call! I could totally see that- "Scienterrorism." It would take a pretty significant series of events as a catalyst... Say their known leadership structure finally all got busted, they lose the support of the Hollywood power brokers... Elements of scientology might go underground at that point and start reorganizing and lashing out.
It could happen. Good call.
Well I mean really.. Maybe terrorism was a bit far. How about organized crime.
Lets see, Supposedly they encourage people to take whatever means they must to attack critics of their religion? Now that's a major red flag right there.
The video where they are war decking anonymous. (or who the heck ever)... If it is actually sponsored by this group that also creates a red flag in my mind.
The things I find most disturbing about those videos people seem to have overlooked in this thread. You don't haunt, stalk take whatever means you have access to, to destroy someone who simply disagree's with you.
I also can not believe no one in this thread has really stressed the connection yet with this group being very actor heavy in terms of vocal support. Taking into consideration everything that is going on atm with these guys.
My best advice to anyone associated with this group. In all seriousness don't drink or eat anything these people serve at their functions.
Scientology is yet another man-made religious theory...Or group of shall I say...
It's all BS, and serves to manipulate the weak into doing their bidding... You guys hear about that group of religious folks who tell marines that they are going to hell and all that other stuff? Yeah.. Same concept.. Brainwashed weakness..
Everyone creates their own "bible" and "gods" and other morally "important" characters, in order to bend perception and lend a hand in their great plan... Those so called "christians" in the middle east have been killing each other for ages, and isn't that "supposed" to be a sin?
I can't believe some people fall for this mess.. And then pop a face up there like Tom Cruise (because we all know how "important" stars are in this society.. Gods among mortal men or some bullsh...) and watch the money roll in.. They are selling Taebo tapes.. A new system to govern the weak and pityful... And so far they are living rich...
While Scientology has some strange beliefs, that isn't what really makes it dangerous to an individual (and society). Religious Cult's, and Scientology is one, use psychological means to gain new members and to control them. Once they set their hooks they go about isolating the individual and limiting outside contact to a controlled environment.
According to the Cult Awareness Network, whose 23 chapters monitor more than 200 "mind control" cults, no group prompts more telephone pleas for help than does Scientology. Says Cynthia Kisser, the network's Chicago-based executive director: "Scientology is quite likely the most ruthless, the most classically terroristic, the most litigious and the most lucrative cult the country has ever seen. No cult extracts more money from its members."*
It should be noted that Scientology put the Cult Awareness Network out of business and in fact now runs the organization (they are that freaking bad news). If you went to the Cult Awareness Network website they even went so far as to write a back story about how the OLD Cult Awareness Network and just about everyone associated with it are evil incarnate and corrupt.
I really don't see what Tom Cruise has been rambling about with scientology. Its not actually a religion but a pursuit for knowledge. They don't actually ask you to change your beliefs but question them and find what you believe to be true. The tools like measuring quatlus is mearely a means they use to guage a persons happiness and attempt to make a persons life more enjoyable, To me, its like those personality quizes that attempt to find what kind of personality you have then pair you with something you might enjoy.
I took their online personality test once because my cousin took me to the site. For over a year one of the people who run one of their 'Dianetic treatment centers' called me at least twice a week trying to get me to come in so that I could do the purification rundown. This includes eating nothing but fruits and vegetables, running for hours on end and sitting in a sauna until your sweat supposedly turns black. This is their way of cleaning the toxins out of your body. I kept telling him I wasn't interested, but he kept calling me 'just to chat', which would eventually come around to him going, so man, when are you coming in? It was creepy, and I have never heard anyone who swore as much in casual conversation as this guy did. The whole thing was just plain weird, and I'm glad he eventually stopped calling.
It sounds pretty good on the surface, doesn't it? It is, at least until you find out that their personality tests are scewed to always show that a person has personality problems. Of course the only thing that can help is Scientology and to become happy, you must invest thousands of dollars into self-help books, videos and classes. Then it turns out that to become truly happy, you must volunteer at one of their centers.
Then comes the famous E-Meter. The crude lie detector which is used in something called "auditing" -- a process which forces a person to reveal all of their inner secrets in order to rid one-self of clinging souls.
And that's not all! By the time you're into auditing, you've probably signed up to be a part of the Sea Org for a billion years. Since Scientologists believe in reincarnation, a billion years is a great investement into the best organization in the world!
Oh, but Scientology does not force it's believes onto people. No it doesn't. It brainwashes the beliefs out of the poor chaps who got caught up in it. By the time they are done with you, you'll believe that Xenu is the all mighty and evil emperor and DC-8s are the standard mode of intergalactic transportation. By the time they are done with you, you'll believe that postnatal depression, AIDS and cancer are easily cured with excerise and vitamins. And lastly, your right before attaining your "clear" status (removing all of the clinging souls via auditing) you will come to realize that psychiatrists are Xenu's evil henchmen hellbent on brainwashing you.
That is unless you become part of the poor people listed on the link posted bellow.
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
Well scientology prides themselves on their ability to rehabilitate Criminals and those with substance abuse.
They use psychology although they wouldn't admit to it, and as previously said they prey on the weak minded that are in need of help.
If you're an alcoholic and need help, and a scientologist displaces the need for alcohol with the need for what scientology provides (which is unforgiving, relentless, fanatical camraderie at the expense of your willpower and local currency) then I'm sure you'd be all for it. On the surface you feel like you've been cured of your alcoholism, but deep down you're just as much of an addict as ever.
Some wonder how they keep on, but it's simple, they keep pushing on what the "church" can do, and someone very high up with a ruthless mentality sits back and watched the money roll in. I feel bad because some people that are in scientology really do want to help people, but they are confused in thinking that scientology is the way to do that.
Alot of members just need someone to talk to, someone to help them, and something to be a part of to feel like their lives mean something, and for a nominal fee scientology does that. I don't know why they don't just join a gym or country club like normal people, but hey, what can ya do ah?
Then comes the famous E-Meter. The crude lie detector which is used in something called "auditing" -- a process which forces a person to reveal all of their inner secrets in order to rid one-self of clinging souls.
And that's not all! By the time you're into auditing, you've probably signed up to be a part of the Sea Org for a billion years. Since Scientologists believe in reincarnation, a billion years is a great investement into the best organization in the world?
Oh, but Scientology does not force it's believes onto people. No it doesn't. It brainwashes the beliefs out of the poor chaps who got caught up in it. By the time they are done with you, you'll believe that Xenu is the all mighty and evil emperor and DC-8s are the standard mode of intergalactic transportation. By the time they are done with you, you'll believe that postnatal depression, AIDS and cancer are easily cured with excerise and vitamins. And lastly, your right before attaining your "clear" status (removing all of the clinging souls via auditing) you will come to realize that psychiatrists are Xenu's evil henchmen hellbent on brainwashing you.
That is unless you become part of the poor people listed on the link posted bellow.
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
LMAO! Help, I'm literally covered in Thetans!
Why would I want to measure my happiness? I know that I'm happiest when I'm sitting around naked in front of my big screen televsion watching Dr Phil and chugging a case of beer.
Why would I want to mess that up with things like measuring quatlus, quizes, and audits. Audits do not make me happy, they cut into my beer money.....and what if the person they paired me with was also a guy....
No, this Scientology stuff is definately for people that have a screw loose.....
Just so everyone knows.
If you are against the organization called scientology and the shady things they have been doing.... I think everyone has been gearing up for a February 10th public protest..
So find your nearest Church of Scientology and go out on sunday 10th of February at i guess 11 AM? with flyers are such
Here is a link to find some protest locations: harbl.wetfish.net/cosplay/
Here is a forum where they are organizing meetups and such. They also have fliers in digital form so you can download, print out and bring with you.: forums.enturbulation.org/viewforum.php
Remember the purpose of the demonstration is NOT to hurt or harm people or hurt or harm the church directly. The object of the demonstration is to share the truth.. Get the truth out to people who are interested in scientology and what happens there.. Even currently scientologist need to hear some truth every now and again.
So if some of you really believe what you have been saying. Then.. support... This isn't about hating a religion.. This isn't about hating aliens.. This is about trying to stop an organization that has already conspired against and breached the US Government.. not to mention the little thing about killing people..... If they are capable of doing that.. what else are they capable of?
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
After hearing that anonamous about protesting to the church of scientology, all i could think if is this would be the perfect moment to wear the V for Vendetta mask lol.
I am legion
we are many
lol
Marshan Manhunter ftw.
Well. actually.. that's what the protesters have been wearing so far.. at many protests
In areas that allow masks to be worn legally during a protest.. Anon members have been weaering the Vendetta masks
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
As well as the Cult Awareness Network, they also run a pseudo-help group called Narconon. The aim is for people to confuse it with the actually Narcotics Anonymous (NA). From here they get addicts who are trying to help themselves and indoctrinate them. Their methods are not supported by the general medical community, and their claims of success cannot be verified.
....not that setting yourself up in this fashion is in any way shifty or anything...
Oh no. I'm not getting myself listed as a subversive. You know that they keep a list of people with what they call subversive personalities, right? Next thing you know it's all about Tom Cruise slipping down your chimney and slitting your throat while you sleep.
I was not here...I've said NOTHING.
Scientology has invaded a mall near me with a personality test stand and Dianetics books. Maybe i should dress up like an alien and wander around their area Feb 10th. Have myself an early Halloween.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
HOW TO TALK TO A SCIENTOLOGIST
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
The thing is, when I first started to study Scientology, out of personal interest and a kind of philosophical wanderlust that I've been cursed with since a young age, I found that I agreed with a lot of their ideas. Not only that, but they coincided quite nicely with the philosophic ideals that had already begun to take shape in my mind after some 10 years of religious dilettantism, years in which I studied or was involved in various cults and established religions; Bahaism, Fundamentalism, Spiritualism, Voodooism, Hinduism, Taoism and Buddhism. I was then and will continue until the day I die to be a seeker of enlightenment. If, at that point in time I had decided to take Scientology for a ride, much the way I had the other religions, well I would still be there today. And don't think they didn't try their damnedest to get me to. I was even offered my own Dianetic Treatment center. All it would have cost was my humanity.
In order to reach the state of being 'Clear' you have to drop all of your engrams, being that engrams are a symptom of the reactive mind. Of course, engrams, as they call them, are the instinctual reactions you have to certain stimuli: Stimuli are events in the environment that influence behavior. Say you were burned by a pot on the stove as a child and thus learned not to touch such things, they would consider this learned reaction an engram. So what in the end are you when you become clear? Basically a robot who has programed himself to act in a fashion that is acceptable to society, but you don't feel anything. When Tom Cruise, who is supposedly the penultimate Scientologist, jumped up on Oprah's couch because he was engaged to Katie Holmes he did so to elicit a reaction from those watching, not because he in fact felt any elation in the matter, just because he wanted you to think he did. It's been suggested that the two were mated together in order to give birth to the reincarnation of L.Ron Hubbard himself. Suri? Strangely enough I believe that the higher level Scientologists do have a breeding program much like that of the Bene Gesserit from the Dune saga, or perhaps more closely related to Eugenics. That's just a supposition on my part though, but I think it's a pretty good bet.
Personally I think the whole Xenu the Evil One bit is just a hoax to give people a reason to mock the validity of the church without delving too deeply into its true purpose, but I've never gotten deep enough into the church to find out if that's the case.
Self hypnosis and an unreasonable aversion to anything or anyone that goes against the teachings of the church...well that's a symptom of any organized religion. Much like my family tries to get me to come back to Christianity, Scientologists don't want their flock to stray far from the herd either. So in the end, is Scientology any worse than any other religion? Nah, it's all pretty much the same package, just with different wrapping.
I think it has been said many many many times.... I dont think anyone here has a problem with Xenu or the religious beliefs of scientologists.. Believe what you want... Personally I really believe that some of Hubbards teachings could be VERY VERY useful.. And i'm not suprised at all that people feel that scientology works for them...
Its the mafia like actions of the ORGANIZATION of scientology.. not the religious beliefs that people have problems with..
Is it really just like every other religion to BREAK INTO THE IRS AND STEAL DOCUMENTS?!?!
is it really just like every other religion to CREATE A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT YOU CONSIDER ENEMIES THAT YOU WILL USE ANY MEANS NECCESSARY TO DESTROY? INCLUDING STRAIGHT OUT LIEING
Is it really just like every other religion to BREAK INTO THE FBI AND CIA AND PLANT BUGS TO LISTEN IN ON MEETINGS?!?
Is it really just like every other religion to STALK THE CHILDREN OF YOUR CRITICS???
Is it really just like every other religion to BREAK INTO ANYONE"S HOUSE THAT HAS CoS DOCUMENTS TO STEAL THEM??????
Is it really just like every other religion to PROTEST THE RELIGION"S PROTESTORS?!?
Is it really just like every other religion to PRETEND YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR MEMBER AFTER THE MEMBER HAS A PSYCHOTIC BREAK?
AND THIS HAS TO BE REPEATED Is it really just like every other religion to BREAK INTO THE IRS AND STEAL DOCUMENTS?!?! WTF ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
*note.. this is just some of the things that they have done.
seriously... Scientology the ORGINATION is a very dangerous one that uses VERY VERY Shady tactics... THAT is what the protest and petition is about... NOT about the individual beliefs...
And the whole Xenu thing?
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/OTIII/
How do you know this was actually written by L. Ron Hubbard?
Scientology sued Karin Spaink for publishing OT III, claiming she violated their copyrights to their "advanced spiritual technology". In addition, the document displayed on this web page was authenticated by Helena Kobrin, lawyer for Scientology's Religious Technology Center, in a letter sent to Carnegie Mellon's legal counsel on January 24, 1997. Her assistance is much appreciated.
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
Hey, I'm not defending the church or anything, but I'm not going to condemn them for acts that I am not even certain really happened. Do you have links to actual court documents that have convicted them of these crimes? I've heard the horror stories, hell I make jokes about them, but I also have heard of the things that other religions have done. The Salem witch trials ring a bell? The Spanish Inquisition? The Crusades? Religion is all about fanaticism. I'm not saying the Scientology is good, I'm not defending their practices. I know all about the boat trips where people would be tossed overboard, and I've watched videos of interveiws with the man himself where he claims to have knowledge of past lives. Kooky? Oh hell yeah, but have you ever seen the rituals of the Free Masons?
Yeah, I have a copy of OT 3 myself. I know what they say. I know as well that L.Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writter, and it looks more like the plot outline for a book, than an actual religious document. I would never join the church myself, but they do have some very interesting ideas. People to this day mock Charles Darwin, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to support evolution. I'm not going to sit here and feed you validation just because you or someone you know have had problems with the church. I know all about the list of enemies, my cousin's name is on that list. Why? Because he's the one who dowloaded the copy of OT 3 that I now possess. He was stalked by the church longer than I was, and they even sent him a free copy of the Fundamentals of Thought. They've in no way done him harm. The worst they have done was to send him a letter telling him that they knew he has been frequenting 'subversive' sites, and if he wanted to learn about the church they would prefer it if he would come talk to them instead. Oooh...scary. I know about Lisa McPherson too, but I know that Christianity used to believe that they could cure insanity by beating the demons out of you. The introspection rundown is tame by comparison.
When they pull a Jonestown, then I'll recant my words and say; "Well I guess I was wrong about the church." But until then, they don't really seem all that dangerous to me.
I think it has been said many many many times.... I dont think anyone here has a problem with Xenu or the religious beliefs of scientologists..
Pardon me, but let me give you a brief picture from Southpark.
After Stan found out about what scientologists believe regarding Xenu and the whole genocide via volcano thing, he declared "Dude, that's retarded"
To which the leader of Scientology replied "Is it any more retarded than a belief in Jesus? Or that there is a God who has created everything?"
To which Stan replied, "yeah dude, it's way, way more retarded."
Common sense should win out here, I doubt very much that your instincts tell you that there is any validity at all to the Theology of Scientologists Methane.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
The common sense you speak of is nothing more than consistancy of knowledge. As the Christian religions are the most widespread in history, especially in the west, their teachings being commonplace do not seem as "out there" as these ones. The truth is, they are all along the same lines, which Methane is correct in identifying. Heck, even Mormons believe in a God that lives in another solar system on a planet near a planet called Kolob, who's God they can one day be exactly like, having their own "earth" and raising millions of spirit children to take the same test we are supposedly taking now.
The point is, Religious beliefs are different, to say one is "more" strange than another is simply an aesthetic objection based off of previous knowledge which has been pounded into your psyche. Logical reality is, Scientology is scary because of its ideologies about outsiders, its actions towards everyone, its long term goals, its beliefs about where they stand and how they are willing to accomplish those plans.
As much as I love Trey and Matt, you might want to step back and understand that although they do a lot to bring information to another generation of people they still are ultimately there to entertain, not to mention they still have their own bias points of view. If Scientology simply believed what they believed and did not declare war on, harm, and the plot the destruction of outsiders, while attempting to retain full control over those within their church all while planning the manipulation and overthrow of the current world governments, then, they wouldn't be deemed in any special way, just merely another religion, that was probably started by a man, feigning divine knowledge and contact with a God.
If everyone cannibalized eachother in our culture, it's very unlikely you would find it as appalling. The same goes for incest, beastiality, slavery, and genocide. Anything can become palatable if one is born into an accepting cultural structure which enforces said practices.
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