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You know they are making the the game right? It doesnt just pop up from nowhere. A normal WoW clone take around 5 years to make. So......let them make the game first.
It's funny that you say that considering that development of DF & WoW both started in 2001.
Now WoW had a huge backing of Blizzards and an unlimited supply of money, two things DF does not have. I just thought that it was a funny comparison for you to make.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
It's funny that you say that considering that development of DF & WoW both started in 2001.
Now WoW had a huge backing of Blizzards and an unlimited supply of money, two things DF does not have. I just thought that it was a funny comparison for you to make.
Actually, Blizzard started working on World of Warcraft in 1999.
According to Paul Sams, senior VP Blizzard in a NY Times article (Feb. 2005)
* The company started developing World of Warcraft in 1999, and two years later Blizzard still employed fewer than 200 people. Now (2005) that figure is pushing 750 worldwide. *
Blizzard, no doubt, was able to draw on some art from Warcraft Adventures, cancelled in 1998.
Then we all can agree that 2008 would be a great year to play Darkfall. And remember, all MMOs are automaticly not released, the hard part is make them first. I just get the feeling some people forget that part sometimes. They want games to be released. Same as some whine about AoC now when it got delayed.
the difference is AoC hasnt been pushed back by YEARS.
Hmm, I just checked, seems like AOC was originally schedule for release in late 2006. So by delaying until May 2008 you could technically say its been delayed by years. (being more than 1)
Sure, its not like DF, but still, lets try to be accurate.
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It will be released. Dark and Light was released. Mourning was released. Roma Victor was released.
They will release it if only to get some of their money back. Whether it will be any good is another question
Using that logic you would have thought Star Trek Online and God&Heroes would have been released as well. Neither made it out the door and I honestly don't believe STO even made it out of pre-production. I believe everything we saw from PE/P2 was hand crafted instead of game play.
Cancelling Gods and Heroes a couple months before release was the dumbest thing ever. They just threw away millions of dollars for no reason. I don't see any other companies being that stupid
Wasn't the first, Mythic tossed Imperator when they got the WAR IP, Microsoft killed off a couple of MMO's in mid development, and UO 2 had a couple of incarnations that were stopped. Sure, not right before release, but then again, I think GandH was really far from finished.
The thing that made G&H's shelving so insane was that G&H had pre-order boxes on the shelf. My opinion, SOE got screwed by PE over G&H and SOE told PE to go screw themselves about marketing, publishing, and distributing STO. Can't blame them really. If I had put pre-order boxes on the shelves for you and then you shut down the project on me, I'd never give you the light of day again. Nothing personal, just business.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Its quite typical for supporters of Darkfall to try to make positive associations with other MMO’s or to speak of Darkfall in a positive light in comparison to other MMO’s but its just an attempt to try to divert attention from the obvious and damning facts that anyone who wants to be positive about this game has to be in denial about.
Any attempt to support Darkfall by making critical comparisons of other MMO’s whether still in production or released is ridicules unless those other MMO’s also meet most or all of these same criteria or did during development.
Not in beta after 7 years
Not got a publisher after 7 years
Never showed the game at a games convention in over 7 years
Never shown the game to the media or gamming press in over 7 years
Has a relatively small development team for 7 years
Has one if not the worst reputations of all MMO’s
Has relatively almost zero media and gamming press coverage
Never had any form of official marketing campaign
Has failed to meet all of its official beta start announcements
Has failed to meet all of its official release date announcements
Has only publicly released a few minutes of video
Has only publicly released restricted screenshots
Has a very poor public relations with its own community
Only ever publicly demonstrated a Tech demo to guild members.
Gives preferential access to guild members excluding press and public
Has developers that moved country and merged with another company during development
Its developers have rejected previous work and started over at least once during development.
Has An official website that is very poorly updated and has relatively little information.
Is immediately associated with the term “vaporware” by a large proportion of online gamers.
Has never officially released financial information.
Has publicly stated they have trouble finding new staff
Has experienced long periods of “news blackout” at various times.
Has developers that publicly criticize there own games community on there blog.
Release’s very unprofessional and inadequate updates with juvenile excuses.
Asks its community to publicize the game for them.
Has such a huge disparity between what is talked about and what has actually been demonstrated.
Has an official forums who’s community is an embarrassment, even to its own developers.
Does not have a member of staff who handles public relations exclusively or even competently.
Has websites that it releases updates threw question its own credibility publicly.
Has inconsistencies and contradictions in many of its updates and information releases.
Has consistently been dishonest about the true state of development achieved over many years.
Developers who insist there community does not need updating ,when in reality its the opposite.
Developers who insist publicity will be generated by there game, but never show it in 7 years.
Developers who bizarrely say they turn down many publicity opportunity’s.
(these are just of the top of my head I’m sure people who have been following Darkfall for years could list many more)
The only MMO’s that I know that meet some or most of these criteria’s are games that failed to release or are not successful after release, Any of the other MMO’s released or in development that Darkfall supporters seem to be so keen to make favorable comparisons with don’t apply to any of them or only a few so they cannot be justifiably used for comparison.
Then we all can agree that 2008 would be a great year to play Darkfall. And remember, all MMOs are automaticly not released, the hard part is make them first. I just get the feeling some people forget that part sometimes. They want games to be released. Same as some whine about AoC now when it got delayed.
the difference is AoC hasnt been pushed back by YEARS.
WTF you talking about? First release date push back was November of 2006 and we have seen a grand total of seven push backs with four of them being date specific. So yes, AoC has been pushed back two years.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Should make it so we can see who voted what, more importantly what fool voted anything other than never
D&L launched, right? Just goes to show you that nay piece of garbage game can launch. I'll go on record as saying I voted for "over three years" just because I witnessed D&L launch and I never thought I'd see that. Do I think Darkfall Online will? Not a chance, but then again, even a blind squirrel can find a nut sometimes.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Its quite typical for supporters of Darkfall to try to make positive associations with other MMO’s or to speak of Darkfall in a positive light in comparison to other MMO’s but its just an attempt to try to divert attention from the obvious and damning facts that anyone who wants to be positive about this game has to be in denial about. Any attempt to support Darkfall by making critical comparisons of other MMO’s whether still in production or released is ridicules unless those other MMO’s also meet most or all of these same criteria or did during development. Not in beta after 7 years Not got a publisher after 7 years Never showed the game at a games convention in over 7 years Never shown the game to the media or gamming press in over 7 years Has a relatively small development team for 7 years Has one if not the worst reputations of all MMO’s Has relatively almost zero media and gamming press coverage Never had any form of official marketing campaign Has failed to meet all of its official beta start announcements Has failed to meet all of its official release date announcements Has only publicly released a few minutes of video Has only publicly released restricted screenshots Has a very poor public relations with its own community Only ever publicly demonstrated a Tech demo to guild members. Gives preferential access to guild members excluding press and public Has developers that moved country and merged with another company during development Its developers have rejected previous work and started over at least once during development. Has An official website that is very poorly updated and has relatively little information. Is immediately associated with the term “vaporware” by a large proportion of online gamers. Has never officially released financial information. Has publicly stated they have trouble finding new staff Has experienced long periods of “news blackout” at various times. Has developers that publicly criticize there own games community on there blog. Release’s very unprofessional and inadequate updates with juvenile excuses. Asks its community to publicize the game for them. Has such a huge disparity between what is talked about and what has actually been demonstrated. Has an official forums who’s community is an embarrassment, even to its own developers. Does not have a member of staff who handles public relations exclusively or even competently. Has websites that it releases updates threw question its own credibility publicly. Has inconsistencies and contradictions in many of its updates and information releases. Has consistently been dishonest about the true state of development achieved over many years. Developers who insist there community does not need updating ,when in reality its the opposite. Developers who insist publicity will be generated by there game, but never show it in 7 years. Developers who bizarrely say they turn down many publicity opportunity’s. (these are just of the top of my head I’m sure people who have been following Darkfall for years could list many more) The only MMO’s that I know that meet some or most of these criteria’s are games that failed to release or are not successful after release, Any of the other MMO’s released or in development that Darkfall supporters seem to be so keen to make favorable comparisons with don’t apply to any of them or only a few so they cannot be justifiably used for comparison.
You must be the biggest fan Aventurine will ever have. I have never seen a so well written post by a DF fanboi as this is. And what if Aventurine is developing a MMO? What would all this mean? Seriously, many prejoct in many fifferent fields examples movies, music, computer games and science dont want to show anything....before they have anything to show.
How can that be so hard to understand. They might not have anything to show yet.
it was a nice dream ive been dreaming the last 7 years. but nah, i would be an idiot if i actually believed in this by now. I hope by some miracle it will actually come to be, and it will be a nice game, but i certainly dont expect it.
You must be the biggest fan Aventurine will ever have. Is this an attempt at sarcasm, a joke or did you not understand the meaning of my post? I have never seen a so well written post by a DF fanboi as this is. Is this an attempt at sarcasm, a joke or did you not understand the meaning of my post? And what if Aventurine is developing a MMO? What are you trying to say here?, i dont understand your point. What would all this mean? If you are reffering to my post directly, it means that one cannot make camparisions between Darkfalls development and most other MMO's because of all the reasons and many more i listed. Seriously, many prejoct in many fifferent fields examples movies, music, computer games and science dont want to show anything....before they have anything to show. I totaly disagree with you, Darkfalls level of exposure and release is relatively inadequate for a game that is squeduled for beta and release this year compared to all other succesfull and many unsuccesfull MMO's. Attempting to make analogy's between Darkfall's production/development process's and activitys outside the gaming industry is spurious and unnecessary. And they have tryed to show something. The tech demo to potential publishers which failed and the tech demo to couple of guild members for preview, the demonstration that they failed to show up for at a gamming convention for example as well as the very limited amount of screenshots and videos. The problem is what they have showed is considerd inadequate by many people. How can that be so hard to understand. They might not have anything to show yet. I totaly agree with you and dont find it hard to understand at all, Its quite possible they simply don't have anything significant to show publicly yet. Which would explain why they only release a relatively very limited amount of material and keep missing there deadlines, and do lots of talking but not much showing.
If the game is really still in development. Where are they getting all of their money from?
That seems a little suspicious to me.
Lets say they only have the 10 employees still that originally made up Aventurine. Lets also say that they're each making a meager 40k a year.
That would mean that in the last 6-7 years the company has paid their employees approximately 2.8 million dollars. That's just the salary. There are tons of other costs related to running a small business such as office space, computers, servers, ISP, utilities, etc. The cost of these other items could easily top 5 million (a modest estimate) in the last 7 years.
So a low guess would be about 8 million invested into the game so far. That's if they didn't expand their team at all after the original merger. Where is that money coming from??
What if we find out 6 months from now that Aventurine actually went under 5 years ago and it's just been 1 guy that won't let go of the dream updating the website.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
If the game is really still in development. Where are they getting all of their money from?
Supposadely from State grants for start up Software companies in Greece. Of course there's no real proof of that just like there's really no real proof of anything else. It's just a guess.
"Supposadely" they have a team of 30-40 people working there... which I personally HIGHLY DOUBT. Because if that was really the case than the game would be more than some screenshots and a few Alpha videos... It would be much further along in development... or even in a public Beta.
I once wrote in asking if I could come to Greece. At which point I would of gone on to blow the entire lid off this thing. Unfortunately I never received a reply about that.
Apparently they only accept visits from some vague fanboys or something...
The game I must admit looks really really good... Abit like UO.
The thing is .. Do you really want to play a mmo thats is so slow in the making? Imagine how long it would take them to patch bugs, or come out with expansions..
Just imagine, after 2-3 year of playing they will announce an expansion... After 6-7 they start doing Dev blogs about it... after 10 years they release their first expansion .. *yawn*
days you have to understand that the info ther giving us could only be thats what there showing us and be showing the publishers and gaming people more. blaa
if you have proof thats all theyhave an no game at all then please show it cause i would love to see it
(even tho there not a ton of proof i can give you either so we are at a stand still so lets see what happens this year we dont need your opinion shoved down are throats
If the game is really still in development. Where are they getting all of their money from? That seems a little suspicious to me. Lets say they only have the 10 employees still that originally made up Aventurine. Lets also say that they're each making a meager 40k a year. That would mean that in the last 6-7 years the company has paid their employees approximately 2.8 million dollars. That's just the salary. There are tons of other costs related to running a small business such as office space, computers, servers, ISP, utilities, etc. The cost of these other items could easily top 5 million (a modest estimate) in the last 7 years. So a low guess would be about 8 million invested into the game so far. That's if they didn't expand their team at all after the original merger. Where is that money coming from?? What if we find out 6 months from now that Aventurine actually went under 5 years ago and it's just been 1 guy that won't let go of the dream updating the website.
I think ironically the possibility that Darkfall’s development does have the financial backing to continue development despite the lack of progress and constant failure’s to meet deadlines and that the game has been scraped and reworked at least once is one of the problems.
Most MMO developers have to deal with problems like managing a limited budget, meeting deadlines, keeping there investors happy and impressing there publishers etc. which evidently don’t apply to the Darkfall developers.
They could simply of been a small group of enthusiastic gamers who are very inexperienced but with very ambitious goals who are too arrogant or naive to accept they are not capable of realizing them, but with the money available and the audacity to keep on attempting to give the impression they are.
I think over 7 years its quite possible they have managed to acquire enough investment to continue the project considering there possibly relatively quite modest financial requirements, perhaps they are much more successful at acquiring investors then they are at community relations or MMO development.
Perhaps the primary reason they moved to Athens was for financial reasons.
Supposadely from State grants for start up Software companies in Greece. Of course there's no real proof of that just like there's really no real proof of anything else. It's just a guess. "Supposadely" they have a team of 30-40 people working there... which I personally HIGHLY DOUBT. Because if that was really the case than the game would be more than some screenshots and a few Alpha videos... It would be much further along in development... or even in a public Beta. I once wrote in asking if I could come to Greece. At which point I would of gone on to blow the entire lid off this thing. Unfortunately I never received a reply about that. Apparently they only accept visits from some vague fanboys or something...
I don’t think they would let someone who is rational, objective and who has prior knowledge of there dubious activities ever visit or preview there game.
They require guild members they can manipulate with preferential treatment and advantages, or inexperienced people who can be easily swayed by there charismatic and charming personality’s who don’t ask difficult questions or make even a single negative comment.
But even if you did get that chance you would only get a small demonstration of the Tech demo after several hours of talking, which we have already seen in the video released last year.
The fact that they have never shown the tech demo to any member of the press or showed it at any gamming convention and that they have failed to get a publisher when presenting it shows it cant be that impressive.
You must be the biggest fan Aventurine will ever have. Is this an attempt at sarcasm, a joke or did you not understand the meaning of my post? I have never seen a so well written post by a DF fanboi as this is. Is this an attempt at sarcasm, a joke or did you not understand the meaning of my post? And what if Aventurine is developing a MMO? What are you trying to say here?, i dont understand your point. What would all this mean? If you are reffering to my post directly, it means that one cannot make camparisions between Darkfalls development and most other MMO's because of all the reasons and many more i listed. Seriously, many prejoct in many fifferent fields examples movies, music, computer games and science dont want to show anything....before they have anything to show. I totaly disagree with you, Darkfalls level of exposure and release is relatively inadequate for a game that is squeduled for beta and release this year compared to all other succesfull and many unsuccesfull MMO's. Attempting to make analogy's between Darkfall's production/development process's and activitys outside the gaming industry is spurious and unnecessary. And they have tryed to show something. The tech demo to potential publishers which failed and the tech demo to couple of guild members for preview, the demonstration that they failed to show up for at a gamming convention for example as well as the very limited amount of screenshots and videos. The problem is what they have showed is considerd inadequate by many people. How can that be so hard to understand. They might not have anything to show yet. I totaly agree with you and dont find it hard to understand at all, Its quite possible they simply don't have anything significant to show publicly yet. Which would explain why they only release a relatively very limited amount of material and keep missing there deadlines, and do lots of talking but not much showing.
Yes of course im beeing sarcastic. The first thing any DF fanboi learns is that DF may be vaporware and there might not be a any good MMOs developed in the future.
So this post adds nothing to the old well known fact.
And when i wrote "And if Aventurine is developing a MMO?" thats were the discussion begins. We DF fans enjoys to talk about what we would like to do with a game as DF. No point in talking about it if we didnt want it to be developed, right?
It isnt that they have failed to get one its that they havent chosen one. Since they can self publish there not jumping on the publishers until they decide whats better for the game.
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It's funny that you say that considering that development of DF & WoW both started in 2001.
Now WoW had a huge backing of Blizzards and an unlimited supply of money, two things DF does not have. I just thought that it was a funny comparison for you to make.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
actully they didnt annunce it until 2001 it was in dev way before then.
and WoW gameplay mechanics are simple df isnt so simple
Now WoW had a huge backing of Blizzards and an unlimited supply of money, two things DF does not have. I just thought that it was a funny comparison for you to make.
Actually, Blizzard started working on World of Warcraft in 1999.
According to Paul Sams, senior VP Blizzard in a NY Times article (Feb. 2005)
* The company started developing World of Warcraft in 1999, and two years later Blizzard still employed fewer than 200 people. Now (2005) that figure is pushing 750 worldwide. *
Blizzard, no doubt, was able to draw on some art from Warcraft Adventures, cancelled in 1998.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_Adventures:_Lord_of_the_Clans
than you can expect Darkfall to be done in 2030 if it took a 100 man Blizzard team since 1999 to make WoW..
the difference is AoC hasnt been pushed back by YEARS.
Hmm, I just checked, seems like AOC was originally schedule for release in late 2006. So by delaying until May 2008 you could technically say its been delayed by years. (being more than 1)
Sure, its not like DF, but still, lets try to be accurate.
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They will release it if only to get some of their money back. Whether it will be any good is another question
Using that logic you would have thought Star Trek Online and God&Heroes would have been released as well. Neither made it out the door and I honestly don't believe STO even made it out of pre-production. I believe everything we saw from PE/P2 was hand crafted instead of game play.
Cancelling Gods and Heroes a couple months before release was the dumbest thing ever. They just threw away millions of dollars for no reason. I don't see any other companies being that stupid
Wasn't the first, Mythic tossed Imperator when they got the WAR IP, Microsoft killed off a couple of MMO's in mid development, and UO 2 had a couple of incarnations that were stopped. Sure, not right before release, but then again, I think GandH was really far from finished.
The thing that made G&H's shelving so insane was that G&H had pre-order boxes on the shelf. My opinion, SOE got screwed by PE over G&H and SOE told PE to go screw themselves about marketing, publishing, and distributing STO. Can't blame them really. If I had put pre-order boxes on the shelves for you and then you shut down the project on me, I'd never give you the light of day again. Nothing personal, just business.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
I think its going to be out during the Big Rip of the universe, and its still probably going to have bugs.
Its quite typical for supporters of Darkfall to try to make positive associations with other MMO’s or to speak of Darkfall in a positive light in comparison to other MMO’s but its just an attempt to try to divert attention from the obvious and damning facts that anyone who wants to be positive about this game has to be in denial about.
Any attempt to support Darkfall by making critical comparisons of other MMO’s whether still in production or released is ridicules unless those other MMO’s also meet most or all of these same criteria or did during development.
Not in beta after 7 years
Not got a publisher after 7 years
Never showed the game at a games convention in over 7 years
Never shown the game to the media or gamming press in over 7 years
Has a relatively small development team for 7 years
Has one if not the worst reputations of all MMO’s
Has relatively almost zero media and gamming press coverage
Never had any form of official marketing campaign
Has failed to meet all of its official beta start announcements
Has failed to meet all of its official release date announcements
Has only publicly released a few minutes of video
Has only publicly released restricted screenshots
Has a very poor public relations with its own community
Only ever publicly demonstrated a Tech demo to guild members.
Gives preferential access to guild members excluding press and public
Has developers that moved country and merged with another company during development
Its developers have rejected previous work and started over at least once during development.
Has An official website that is very poorly updated and has relatively little information.
Is immediately associated with the term “vaporware” by a large proportion of online gamers.
Has never officially released financial information.
Has publicly stated they have trouble finding new staff
Has experienced long periods of “news blackout” at various times.
Has developers that publicly criticize there own games community on there blog.
Release’s very unprofessional and inadequate updates with juvenile excuses.
Asks its community to publicize the game for them.
Has such a huge disparity between what is talked about and what has actually been demonstrated.
Has an official forums who’s community is an embarrassment, even to its own developers.
Does not have a member of staff who handles public relations exclusively or even competently.
Has websites that it releases updates threw question its own credibility publicly.
Has inconsistencies and contradictions in many of its updates and information releases.
Has consistently been dishonest about the true state of development achieved over many years.
Developers who insist there community does not need updating ,when in reality its the opposite.
Developers who insist publicity will be generated by there game, but never show it in 7 years.
Developers who bizarrely say they turn down many publicity opportunity’s.
(these are just of the top of my head I’m sure people who have been following Darkfall for years could list many more)
The only MMO’s that I know that meet some or most of these criteria’s are games that failed to release or are not successful after release, Any of the other MMO’s released or in development that Darkfall supporters seem to be so keen to make favorable comparisons with don’t apply to any of them or only a few so they cannot be justifiably used for comparison.
the difference is AoC hasnt been pushed back by YEARS.
WTF you talking about? First release date push back was November of 2006 and we have seen a grand total of seven push backs with four of them being date specific. So yes, AoC has been pushed back two years.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Should make it so we can see who voted what, more importantly what fool voted anything other than never
D&L launched, right? Just goes to show you that nay piece of garbage game can launch. I'll go on record as saying I voted for "over three years" just because I witnessed D&L launch and I never thought I'd see that. Do I think Darkfall Online will? Not a chance, but then again, even a blind squirrel can find a nut sometimes.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
You must be the biggest fan Aventurine will ever have. I have never seen a so well written post by a DF fanboi as this is. And what if Aventurine is developing a MMO? What would all this mean? Seriously, many prejoct in many fifferent fields examples movies, music, computer games and science dont want to show anything....before they have anything to show.
How can that be so hard to understand. They might not have anything to show yet.
we are at 2008 sure it will be released "soon"
it was a nice dream ive been dreaming the last 7 years. but nah, i would be an idiot if i actually believed in this by now. I hope by some miracle it will actually come to be, and it will be a nice game, but i certainly dont expect it.
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If the game is really still in development. Where are they getting all of their money from?
That seems a little suspicious to me.
Lets say they only have the 10 employees still that originally made up Aventurine. Lets also say that they're each making a meager 40k a year.
That would mean that in the last 6-7 years the company has paid their employees approximately 2.8 million dollars. That's just the salary. There are tons of other costs related to running a small business such as office space, computers, servers, ISP, utilities, etc. The cost of these other items could easily top 5 million (a modest estimate) in the last 7 years.
So a low guess would be about 8 million invested into the game so far. That's if they didn't expand their team at all after the original merger. Where is that money coming from??
What if we find out 6 months from now that Aventurine actually went under 5 years ago and it's just been 1 guy that won't let go of the dream updating the website.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Supposadely from State grants for start up Software companies in Greece. Of course there's no real proof of that just like there's really no real proof of anything else. It's just a guess.
"Supposadely" they have a team of 30-40 people working there... which I personally HIGHLY DOUBT. Because if that was really the case than the game would be more than some screenshots and a few Alpha videos... It would be much further along in development... or even in a public Beta.
I once wrote in asking if I could come to Greece. At which point I would of gone on to blow the entire lid off this thing. Unfortunately I never received a reply about that.
Apparently they only accept visits from some vague fanboys or something...
The game I must admit looks really really good... Abit like UO.
The thing is .. Do you really want to play a mmo thats is so slow in the making? Imagine how long it would take them to patch bugs, or come out with expansions..
Just imagine, after 2-3 year of playing they will announce an expansion... After 6-7 they start doing Dev blogs about it... after 10 years they release their first expansion .. *yawn*
days you have to understand that the info ther giving us could only be thats what there showing us and be showing the publishers and gaming people more. blaa
if you have proof thats all theyhave an no game at all then please show it cause i would love to see it
(even tho there not a ton of proof i can give you either so we are at a stand still so lets see what happens this year we dont need your opinion shoved down are throats
I think ironically the possibility that Darkfall’s development does have the financial backing to continue development despite the lack of progress and constant failure’s to meet deadlines and that the game has been scraped and reworked at least once is one of the problems.
Most MMO developers have to deal with problems like managing a limited budget, meeting deadlines, keeping there investors happy and impressing there publishers etc. which evidently don’t apply to the Darkfall developers.
They could simply of been a small group of enthusiastic gamers who are very inexperienced but with very ambitious goals who are too arrogant or naive to accept they are not capable of realizing them, but with the money available and the audacity to keep on attempting to give the impression they are.
I think over 7 years its quite possible they have managed to acquire enough investment to continue the project considering there possibly relatively quite modest financial requirements, perhaps they are much more successful at acquiring investors then they are at community relations or MMO development.
Perhaps the primary reason they moved to Athens was for financial reasons.
I don’t think they would let someone who is rational, objective and who has prior knowledge of there dubious activities ever visit or preview there game.
They require guild members they can manipulate with preferential treatment and advantages, or inexperienced people who can be easily swayed by there charismatic and charming personality’s who don’t ask difficult questions or make even a single negative comment.
But even if you did get that chance you would only get a small demonstration of the Tech demo after several hours of talking, which we have already seen in the video released last year.
The fact that they have never shown the tech demo to any member of the press or showed it at any gamming convention and that they have failed to get a publisher when presenting it shows it cant be that impressive.
Yes of course im beeing sarcastic. The first thing any DF fanboi learns is that DF may be vaporware and there might not be a any good MMOs developed in the future.So this post adds nothing to the old well known fact.
And when i wrote "And if Aventurine is developing a MMO?" thats were the discussion begins. We DF fans enjoys to talk about what we would like to do with a game as DF. No point in talking about it if we didnt want it to be developed, right?
It isnt that they have failed to get one its that they havent chosen one. Since they can self publish there not jumping on the publishers until they decide whats better for the game.