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WAR is just as Gear Based as any other game..
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Going from this: http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devchat/2886-Warhammer-Online-Dev-Chat-Log.3
<~DelmarWynn> Pixystix: Being a former DaoC and Ultima online player, I have a question in How important will gear be? In WoW gear was 90% of the game, which took away the fun of PvPing sometimes when it was literally impossible to kill someone who had a significant gear advantage to you?
<@[WAR]Gersh>; in WAR gear will matter
<@[WAR]Gersh>; Weapon DPS adds to Melee Character attacks, and a solid 40% or so of a player's stats is from Gear
<@[WAR]Gersh>; that being said we've designed the loot system and the stat system to allow for a nice broad competitive range
<@[WAR]Gersh>; So two players of similar level and similar skill can always compete regardless of gear.. Of course the better geared player will have an advantage
"Gaining additional stats is predominately done via equipment."
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Please this game is going to be very dependable on gear, your just avoiding reality if you think its not.
One way to get that gear is to raid for it: 11/29/2007 8pm RAID!!!
40 % of a players stats come from GEAR.
Another way to get the best gear is Capitol City raids, to compete some of this you will need to raid in the dungeons of the opposing city, where gear is located too.
If you want the best gear your forced into a competition to get it. You can't make/craft the best gear it comes from a DROP. In Daoc, another problem was with the aurelite instances...the xp was really bad. Total grind fest that really sucks the fun out of the gaming experience, i hope its not going to be something similar in WAR? DAoC is just a grind and it seems like the things that you can kill always drop stuff that is a level or two lower than what you need. Will War be the same? It should be pretty obvious that with Daoc the game used to be (and still is) doesn't work well for keeping a player base, i really hope EAMythic has learned from this.
So just FYI its as number crunching as any other game out there. Wanted to make sure we are all on the same page here. As I see alot of skill based comments, 40% is a lot to over come even for someone good.
Some people even predict a while for a capitol city raid from launch, with only a few types of the "phat" gear dropped thats going to put a huge price on gear and the market place. City Siege = instance? info was from Nov last year has this changed? http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?SETVIEW=features&BHCP=1&LOADFEATURE=1589&GAMEID=239&bhcp=1
"Please note that the city siege itself will be population limited (size to be determined) and could play out over several different instances."
Would be interested to know how they will keep the farmers out, if equal gear can't be crafted.
All i wanted to do was enjoyed frienzied RvR fighting with the opportunity to make some good armor / weapons, so is it true i have to either a) raid for them or b) do 5 instances around a city siege to get the best items as quoted above? Because if gear makes up 40% thats alot and makes the game quite item centric and thats something i was under the impression the game wasn't. Don't get me wrong it still looks like fun, but I dont want to have to grind anything for the best gear, I'd rather make it.
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EVERY new MMORPG made by a company that has a name WILL be raid based and gear based. How many games will be made before people finally understand this. Let me ask you this.. Have there been any successful mmorpg (200K+ population) that have come out after World of Warcraft that have NOT been raid based?
HOGG4LIFE
Yes war is a gear based to a point....stats do make toons alot better but the talent/skills make the chanacter even more important imo...but to answer you question i dont think gear will be a problem with war...since war is a pvp based game and the gear is earned through pvp (Not Raiding) then you should have no problem getting the gear everyone else has....but since the game has 24 unique classes and within those talent trees to choose your skills it will come down to how well you can play ur class to earn the pvp gear....so dont worry man....just kick some ass and you will have np worrying about if you toons gear is leet enough :P
Hi Sidoxs, this is my point exactly. There has been many a fanboy and fangirl posts here who think that the game will just be fighting and fun. What happens when the player has a thought to do better.. ahh haa i need better gear, what do i have to do to get that gear. - Answer, same as every other game.
Summary: looking back they didn't explain it like this did they. >points to the podcasts.
I want people to enjoy the game for what it is, and not be under any illusions like i was until i dug a bit deeper.
the sooner they come out with crafting info the better, but im not holding my breath. Alot of classes = alot of gear.
sorry man but war is NOT raid based and hurray for that....plus just because no game that isnt raid based has not been successful dont mean there never will be lmao....because swg and Daoc were before wow and noone questioned non raid games then....lol
sorry man but war is NOT raid based and hurray for that....plus just because no game that isnt raid based has not been successful dont mean there never will be lmao....because swg and Daoc were before wow and noone questioned non raid games then....lol
And DAoC was not Raid-based? *raise brow* Wow, that's a big newsitem for me. IIRC, you had to raid hours and hours to get the good PvP gear, much more than even in WoW. And then Trials of Ataltis? Raid again for Master-levels!!! So what about DAOC was -not- Raid-based?
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*sigh* same point to make...war is a pvp based game like Daoc....so you dont have to do the same thing in every other game bro....other games beside Daoc if you wanted gear you had to raid or fight a huge raid type boss like in Everquest but war and daoc will be diff because if you want better gear...you need to kill more people..... you cant even put Daoc in the same catergory as wow because Daoc is still a better game then wow.....wow turned into a media commercial game......pretty sad really they have to advertise on tv lmao cause so many people started to quit after the first expansion and now since another is comming same will happen again lol....damn sorry went off subject lol.......(end)
From the dev chat logs and the report from Caroline Koh for mmorpg.com
Am I right in thinking that the best gear comes from city sieging and that city sieging could be split up into 5 instances? whats the difference from doing 5 instances in RvR to doing 5 dungeon raids for best gear? its still a timesink just like raiding, except in city sieging your be fighting NPC's too right?
Listen, if you think its not going to be raid based fine buy it and waste your time and money and find out for yourself and then regret it. Im tired of trying to convince you, WHY WOULDNT EA TRY TO MAKE A COPY OF WOW. tell me that.
How can you even say this game looks ANYTHING like daoc. Daoc didnt have a cast bar why does warhammer? wtf this game is nothing like daoc, dont even put it int he same sentence as daoc.
Just because the company says something doesnt mean thats how its going to be, thats like saying the presidential candidates are going to do everything they say they are going to do.
HOGG4LIFE
sorry man but war is NOT raid based and hurray for that....plus just because no game that isnt raid based has not been successful dont mean there never will be lmao....because swg and Daoc were before wow and noone questioned non raid games then....lol
And DAoC was not Raid-based? *raise brow* Wow, that's a big newsitem for me. IIRC, you had to raid hours and hours to get the good PvP gear, much more than even in WoW. And then Trials of Ataltis? Raid again for Master-levels!!! So what about DAOC was -not- Raid-based?
aight well never actually played daoc but only thing i hear about it is the pvp lol so sorry thought since is was same dev's the gear was based same way lol ill admit that mistake lolBut.....war will not be raid based so no worried there...its the reason im going to war is pvp = gear....need better gear = more pvp....but im sure they will have some element off raid i.e. the race vs race wars for people who like that sort of thing but just hope they dont ever ever ever ever ever add instances lol :P
and why not put war and Daoc in same sentence? they made by same people lmao just dif content
You think daoc is a raid game? I was NOT FORCED TO RAID TO COMPETE. I never killed the dragon for loot, look at me i can still compete and kill people that did go on the raids. the raids are optional, Play classic if you dont like to do mls. or buy them with BPs you gimp. and if your to gimp to afford items using bps, go out and kill someone. not my fault you suck
HOGG4LIFE
You're looking to far into terms that mean something completely different in different games. Do you have to participate in a City Raid to get the best gear? Yes. Do you have to be in a group with 60 other people you don't know? NO.
You are thinking Raiding as in WoW. Where you need to get 40 people that you may or may not like. Then spend hours trying to kill a boss that should be easy but a retard in the raid brings you down. Thats a WoW Raid.
A WAR Raid is more like many different groups of people getting together for a common goal of slaughtering their enemies.
As for gear, big whoop, its 40% of your stats and anyone can attain the gear. In WoW you can litterly double or triple your base stats.
As for whats instanced and not. Only the WAR devs know. I have seen other places where they are trying to make city raids non instanced or try to minimize it. How it will all actually work we do not know.
*laugh* You're cute. I wish I could have met you in DAoC and saw you "compete" with people like Tedious Ten or the like. You just shattered all believability you ever might have had in my eyes. Cheers. ^^
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HOGG4LIFE
*laugh* You're cute. I wish I could have met you in DAoC and saw you "compete" with people like Tedious Ten or the like. You just shattered all believability you ever might have had in my eyes. Cheers. ^^
lol i totally agree with Singsofdeath....atleast when i was wrong i addmited it :P
Have either of you played the game recently? obviously not.
HOGG4LIFE
bro both me and Singsofdeath said that Daoc and War contain both PvP and Raids but you dont have to do neither so what are you even talking about? lmao
Who really cares if its raid, gear or skill based.... the only way your going to get a game thats not gear based is take gear away thats it... and more to the point if you dont like the way the games made, or if gear really matters then dont play it.... rather simple huh
You dont understand how mmos work, you dont understand how companies market mmos, you dont understand that they want your money thats it. Sure, every game has pve and pvp, but you CANNOT cater to both and not have one complain.
HOGG4LIFE
no *@$@ man...just saying a game is pvp based is not saying there is no raiding...but the majority of the game is pvp based lol so it dont matter....
You still dont understand. There will be more pvers than pvpers. The pvers will complain that they spend 3 hours a day killing a dragon for some purple boots that arent even as good as the pvp set. The people who kill dragons will still rvr..Its not going to be like daoc, there will be more raids for better gear.
Dont have time to go into the rest, gotta bomb people on my enchanter
HOGG4LIFE
GL on your enchanter
To say this game is gear based is funny. Will it help yes, will you suck if you don t have it no. Can you obtain this said gear YES. If you wantit you can get it, through huge raids with 40-60 people having to organize etc no not at all. To take over a city and then some raids open up and contribute solo, guess what you can. So no it s nothing like WOW or games similar. Bottom line is you can better yourself with gear but it will not make such a huge difference where you can get 1 or 2 shot at all. And as far as DAOC goes it s way more gear dependant then WAR is by a long shot even though DAOC is far less then WOW is.
Woe is us. Doom. Sadness, unending grief.... sigh, there goes another game. I had SO hoped for a game without the gear-greed spiral. I guess they really aim for the WOW target audience. Meh. Me dont likes.
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In that game, gear and items were of course important, but I think you have to understand that small differences in stat bonuses due to gear won't make you uncompetitive.
Naturally, you would want the best gear you can acquire, but in WAR -- unlike the WoW system PvE raid system -- I feel the ability to acquire good items without dedicating massive amounts of time to PvE raiding.
I believe WAR, like DAoC, will have several potential sets or types of good gear and items available from a variety of sources: some PvE raids and quests, some from RvR combat, some from RvR city capture, and some from high-end tradeskills.
This is actually good because people LOVE to collect items, powerful items, attractive items, special items, rare items and -- if possible -- uber items.
Let me give an example I recall from DAoC.
As an archer, I wanted the best bows of course and there were three high-bows available, each with different stat bonuses and procs. I was able to acquire two of the three easily and the third one in a raid.
The point being that even if there are special high-end items, I believe Mythic will not put these items out of reach for the average player. What this means is that everyone or nearly everyone at some point will acquire the "good stuff" which will put players on a level playing field.
This is the way I see it and this is the way I believe it will work out.
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