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Life or Death Decision For Britian
upallnight
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If you live in Britian, is it possible for you to allow this to happen? I don't understand why your country hasn't taken to the streets over this incidence. This teen needs your help.
I'm not putting down your country. Don't get me wrong. I'm just asking you guys to do something. I'm not even sure if my own country would help this kid. But I would like to think so. I always thought of Britian as a more free thinking society than what America has become though. I have a feeling you guys won't allow this to occur.
Actually, I am also still in shock at what these muslim countries allow to happen in the name of "religion". This is a shame on those people that will take a long time to get rid of!!!! 
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A life or death decision
Mehdi Kazemi is a gay teenager from Iran. He sought sanctuary in Britain after his boyfriend was hanged for homosexuality. So why is Britain so determined to send him back to Tehran – to almost certain execution?
By Robert Verkaik, Law Editor
Thursday, 6 March 2008
A gay teenager who sought sanctuary in Britain when his boyfriend was executed by the Iranian authorities now faces the same fate after losing his legal battle for asylum.
Mehdi Kazemi, 19, came to London to study English in 2004 but later discovered that his boyfriend had been arrested by the Iranian police, charged with sodomy and hanged.
In a telephone conversation with his father in Tehran, Mr Kazemi was told that before the execution in April 2006, his boyfriend had been questioned about sexual relations he had with other men and under interrogation had named Mr Kazemi as his partner.
Fearing for his own life if he returned to Iran, Mr Kazemi claimed asylum in Britain. But late in 2007 his case was refused. Terror-stricken at the prospect of deportation the young Iranian made a desperate attempt to evade deportation and fled Britain for Holland where he is now being detained amid a growing outcry from campaigners.
He appeared before a Dutch court yesterday to plead with the authorities not to return him to Britain where he is almost certain to be sent back to Iran.
In a letter to the British Government, Mr Kazemi has told the Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith: "I wish to inform the Secretary of State that I did not come to the UK to claim asylum. I came here to study and return to my country. But in the past few months my situation back home has changed. The Iranian authorities have found out that I am a homosexual and they are looking for me." He added: "I cannot stop my attraction towards men. This is something that I will have to live with the rest of my life. I was born with the feeling and cannot change this fact but it is unfortunate that I cannot express my feeling in Iran. If I return to Iran I will be arrested and executed like my former boyfriend."
Mr Kazemi's future will now be decided by a Dutch appeal court, which will rule whether to grant him permission to apply for asylum in Holland, which offers special protection to gay Iranians, or whether he will be deported to Britain. His case has attracted support from leading gay rights groups across Europe who are campaigning to allow him to live in Britain.
Omar Kuddus, from Gay Asylum UK, said that Britain must do more to protect homosexual asylum-seekers such as Mr Kazemi: "The challenge and legality under question and debate in the Dutch court is if he can or should be deported back to the UK under the Dublin Treaty which compels EU states to send asylum-seekers to the first European country they claim asylum."
Peter Tatchell, of the gay rights campaign group Outrage, described the Government's policy as "outrageous and shameful". He said: "If Mehdi is sent back to Iran he will be at risk of execution because of his homosexuality. This is a flagrant violation of Britain's obligations under the refugee convention.
"It is just the latest example of the Government putting the aims of cutting asylum numbers before the merits of individual cases. The whole world knows that Iran hangs young, gay men and uses a particularly barbaric method of slow strangulation. In a bid to fulfil its target to cut asylum numbers the Government is prepared to send this young man to his possible death. It is a heartless, cruel mercenary anti-refugee policy."
Emma Ginn, of the National Coalition of Anti-Deportation Campaigns, met Mr Kazemi at the Tinsley House removal centre, near Gatwick airport, while he was being detained by the Home Office. She recalls: "Mehdi was very anxious when I visited him in Tinsley. The Home Office planned to deport him two days later to Iran where he risked being executed like his boyfriend had been. I'm not surprised he fled the UK."
According to Iranian human rights campaigners, more than 4,000 gay men and lesbians have been executed since the Ayatollahs seized power in 1979. The last reported case of the death penalty imposed against a gay man was that of Makwan Moloudzadeh, 21, who was executed in December after being convicted for sodomy, or lavat, a capital offence under Iranian law.
Last year, the Foreign Office released correspondence sent between embassies throughout the EU dating back to May 2005. They refer specifically to the case of two gay youths, Mahmoud Asqari, under 18 at the time of his execution, and Ayad Marhouni, who were hanged in public.
The Home Office's own guidance issued to immigration officers concedes that Iran executes homosexual men but, unaccountably, rejects the claim that there is a systematic repression of gay men and lesbians.
The Government has a policy of not commenting on individual cases but a Home Office spokeswoman said: "The UK Government is committed to providing protection for those individuals found to be genuinely in need, in accordance with our commitments under international law. If an application is refused, there is a right of appeal to an independent judge, and we only return those who have been found by the asylum decision-making process and the independent courts not to need international protection.
"We examine with great care each individual case before removal and we will not remove anyone who we believe is at risk on their return. However, in order to maintain the integrity of our asylum system and prevent unfounded applications it is important that we are able to enforce returns of those who do not need protection." She added: "The Dublin Regulation states that an asylum applicant should make an application for protection in the first 'safe' country they reach having left their own country. If they do not do so, the Regulation permits the return of asylum applicants to the third country where the substantive asylum claim was made."
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They'll probably get away with it. Old problem, new age. Britain is appeasing a dictatorship yet again. I would expect that they'll send him back to Iran's open arms. Britain is afraid of pissing off Iran, that man is as good as dead.
I guess some people just find it easy to see this as another gay person who "chose" to live this kind of life.
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He fled to the right place, the Dutch seem to have a woody for pissing off Muslims, so they'll probably let him stay.
Now with 57.3% more flames!
I don't think that I need to say that Britain should most defenitely not even be entertaining the idea of sending the guy back to Iran to face execution for homosexuality...it should be fairly obvious to anybody with a moral compass.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
England will soon be under Sharia law anyways,so what does it matter if he is strangled in Iran or England in a few years
/www.thetrumpet.com/print.php?q=3244.0.91.0
I heard the execution chambers smell better in England.
Lol don't believe everything you read. Especially stuff written by a church newspaper [ Copyright © 2008 Philadelphia Church of God, All Rights Reserved].
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I only offer one link here are some more then http://www.whrnet.org/fundamentalisms/docs/issue-telegraph-0108.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2102434,00.html
Dig around you can find all kinds of interesting tidbits, But dont blame England they are part of the EU now and have to agree to laws and customs they may find questionable,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t00PAko1KBU
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appeasment. they should show some backbone and say fuck off this gay iranian is ours now. and than flood tehrans inboxes with goatsex pics.
chips, dips chains & whips.
It's pretty obvious that the guy should get asylum. though I wouldn't trust england anymore. I also fail to see why they wouldn't fight to keep him there, he's a college student and will most likely be pretty productive throughout his life(wouldn't drain the countries resources after a year or three).
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
The Dutch seem likely to grant him asylum. They have a track record for tolerance, and if Britain intends to ship him back to his death I can't imagine the Dutch will let him go back. Still...they shouldn't have to excercise such protection.
Bear in mind unlike you my source of info on this is not just from web sites and Evangelical christian newspapers. My source also includes the fact hat i live in the UK. And while its true that there is a lot of Muslims here they are hardly taking over as you put it.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Bear in mind unlike you my source of info on this is not just from web sites and Evangelical christian newspapers. My source also includes the fact hat i live in the UK. And while its true that there is a lot of Muslims here they are hardly taking over as you put it.
If the muslims aren't taking over the U.K., then what are they doing? Are you going to tell me that they are trying to assimilate into your society?Seriously???
The truth is that their religion gives them the excuse they need to destroy you. It's in their dogma.
And if your argument is to point the finger to other religions, then you're just avoiding the argument. Saying one religion is just as bad as another does not excuse either one.
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The dutch will grant him stay for sure, no matter what.
There is a HUGE moral victory here that the UK just handed the dutch.
A PR and political coupe of this magnitude is worth millions.
I bet most other countries at this moment thinks "damn, why could he not have come here after the UK fucked up so badly?".
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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And also, what is the problem with these muslim countries to where they are doing these sorts of things to gays? It's one thing to say that your religion says it's wrong. But to take it to the level of murder!
Personally, I guess I'm heavily liberal on this topic. I don't see a damn thing wrong with someone being born gay and finding someone to spend their life with. And I am actually all in to my Judaism. I just can't find a place to call it wrong in modern times. It's obvious it's not their fault and they were made that way. Made that way by the creator of us all.
I now look at the U.K. in a totally different way. I'm sorry to say that. But I do.
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Britain has always been a very multicultural country.
Wow, a lot of ignorance is in the air, you shouldn't make comments of something you don't know much about.
Being gay is Islam is strictly prohibited, has been and most probably always will be. The punishment death. Whether you think this is right or wrong is the matter of your opinion. 'Marriage' is recommended in Islam, the idea of it is the couple can have kids which will be born as Muslim (whether they want to stay Muslim when they reach adulthood is their choice) and the couple can stay closer to Islam.
Being gay and knowing if you get caught you will become hanged is incredibly stupid if you ask me. Sexuality is not part of the 3 necessities of life, being gay is a choice imo, the percentage of gay has been increasing over the last decade clearly due to the impact of the media, imo 'being born gay' is a load of rubbish. We make decision how we want to be in life. I have nothing against homosexual people of this world but no way in hell I think you can be 'born gay.'
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
Get over yourself and your judgmental nature when it comes to other people. Instead of thinking you know everything about other people and their lives, why not ask one of us and find out the truth. We're not lying. We didn't choose this.
And then you excuse the killing of people because of the way they were born? Oh, but that's right, you've already decided we made a choice to be tortured and killed. Does that make logical sense to you. Go read the article and take note of what the guy said. Even in the face of possibly being sent back to be executed, he still is adamant about the fact that he did not choose who he falls in love with.
And no, the number of gay people is not increasing in the population. My guess is that it's the same percentage it's always been. There's just more of us willing to come out and tell others who we are. And we're more willing to do that because more people are listening to us for once, and also because we're sick and tired of being told how rotten we are because of how we were made.
I don't understand people like you. I really don't. I try and I try, but it just is beyond me. The only thing I can figure is that you are so comfortable in your majority that it's blurred your ability to listen. That's all you gotta do is just listen. We're telling you the truth.
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I don't think the Brits are afraid of Iran.
However, I think they wonder if they want to allow him to become Brits, or not. The fact his life is in jeopardy make this an ultimatum. But, again, should you accept someone to become 1 with you just to save his life?
This is complex, and no matter what the Brits choose, I will support them. Ultimately, it is their choice, not Iran choice. They have to consider many aspects. If they let's him in, what are the consequences? Will he be a "productive" citizen? Will he adapt nicely? Or will he just take away ressources that the Brits needs for their own youth?
I am getting tired of peoples always trying to force other to think like you. The Frenchs are good at that. Ideology is something (saving a life and all), but action is what matter (the consequences).
The Brits have a full choice here, and trying to say it is a no brainer only show that you display a total lack of respect for these Brits. If I was given the choice to save his life and allow him in my house, or send him back to Iran, I will let's you know that you wouldn't like my choice. Brits have a responsability first and foremost to the British peoples. This young adult life been in jeopardy is a tragedy...but if you want to save him soo much, I am sure you can fill an application and send it to the Brits that you will take him in charge, in whatever country you are, and that the Brits will consider this option and let's this young guy choose.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
:sarcasm all around:
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Whether or not you believe that homosexuality is a choice is largely irrelevent in this case...it's about treating someone humanely versus doing something barbaric because he is different than what the Muslim religion claims is okay.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Bear in mind unlike you my source of info on this is not just from web sites and Evangelical christian newspapers. My source also includes the fact hat i live in the UK. And while its true that there is a lot of Muslims here they are hardly taking over as you put it.
If the muslims aren't taking over the U.K., then what are they doing? Are you going to tell me that they are trying to assimilate into your society?Seriously???
The truth is that their religion gives them the excuse they need to destroy you. It's in their dogma.
And if your argument is to point the finger to other religions, then you're just avoiding the argument. Saying one religion is just as bad as another does not excuse either one.
Muslims make up a small percent of the population in the uk so i would hardly say they are taking over. 8.5% of london's community are muslims with whites and other ethnic groups making up the rest. They already have sharia law for civil and domestic matter between married couples just like the edomites and Khazar jews but no one is complaining about that.Everyone has to answer to British criminal law no matter there culture or religion so its nothing new. If any group of immigrants was taking over(which they are not) it would be eastern europeans who are here in there 100s of thousands but you probably choose to ignore that .
Where does it say that islam has permission to destroy the uk ? i would like to see it if possible. Muslims have been coming here for 300 years . There have been muslims and blacks coming to britain since 193 AD long before many white europeans immigrants ever set foot on this isle. Some of these people have ruled whole provinces in this country but you wont get taught any of that in british schools.
I'm gay. I never chose to be gay.Get over yourself and your judgmental nature when it comes to other people. Instead of thinking you know everything about other people and their lives, why not ask one of us and find out the truth. We're not lying. We didn't choose this.
And then you excuse the killing of people because of the way they were born? Oh, but that's right, you've already decided we made a choice to be tortured and killed. Does that make logical sense to you. Go read the article and take note of what the guy said. Even in the face of possibly being sent back to be executed, he still is adamant about the fact that he did not choose who he falls in love with.
And no, the number of gay people is not increasing in the population. My guess is that it's the same percentage it's always been. There's just more of us willing to come out and tell others who we are. And we're more willing to do that because more people are listening to us for once, and also because we're sick and tired of being told how rotten we are because of how we were made.
I don't understand people like you. I really don't. I try and I try, but it just is beyond me. The only thing I can figure is that you are so comfortable in your majority that it's blurred your ability to listen. That's all you gotta do is just listen. We're telling you the truth.
....listen to yourself, you were born with a penis/vagina the whole purpose of the two biological parts of the body are to breed. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being gay, I'm not a scientist perhaps there maybe something about yourself which is different from a straight person but all i'm saying is being gay isn't like 1+1, and please just because you are gay doesn't mean you're special like everyone elses perception. People can prejudice against other people on the accounts of, weight, sex, age etc etc. If you want to think being gay is like the colour of your skin then thats your choice, and hence why I don't have feel too sorry for the person.
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
Here is another word for you, irony!
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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