Wow, a lot of ignorance is in the air, you shouldn't make comments of something you don't know much about. Being gay is Islam is strictly prohibited, has been and most probably always will be. The punishment death. Whether you think this is right or wrong is the matter of your opinion. 'Marriage' is recommended in Islam, the idea of it is the couple can have kids which will be born as Muslim (whether they want to stay Muslim when they reach adulthood is their choice) and the couple can stay closer to Islam. Being gay and knowing if you get caught you will become hanged is incredibly stupid if you ask me. Sexuality is not part of the 3 necessities of life, being gay is a choice imo, the percentage of gay has been increasing over the last decade clearly due to the impact of the media, imo 'being born gay' is a load of rubbish. We make decision how we want to be in life. I have nothing against homosexual people of this world but no way in hell I think you can be 'born gay.'
Or perhaps there are more gay people today because it's easier to come out about it?
As far as sexuality not being a necessity of life, if you feel it's that easy, then swear an oath of chastity here and now, to never know the comforts of the opposite sex, to never look at anything sexually arousing, to never masturbate. Do it, if it's so easy.
And finally, just because the society you live in regards what you do as wrong, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. If you don't, you're a damned coward. You accuse us of ignorance? Declaring putting someone to death on a 'crime' that clearly doesn't deserve it is not just a 'matter of opinion' as you put it. If a country executes any reporters who write bad stories against its government, it's not the reporter's fault for doing it, it's the government's for being fascist asshats.
Wow, a lot of ignorance is in the air, you shouldn't make comments of something you don't know much about. Being gay is Islam is strictly prohibited, has been and most probably always will be. The punishment death. Whether you think this is right or wrong is the matter of your opinion. 'Marriage' is recommended in Islam, the idea of it is the couple can have kids which will be born as Muslim (whether they want to stay Muslim when they reach adulthood is their choice) and the couple can stay closer to Islam. Being gay and knowing if you get caught you will become hanged is incredibly stupid if you ask me. Sexuality is not part of the 3 necessities of life, being gay is a choice imo, the percentage of gay has been increasing over the last decade clearly due to the impact of the media, imo 'being born gay' is a load of rubbish. We make decision how we want to be in life. I have nothing against homosexual people of this world but no way in hell I think you can be 'born gay.'
Or perhaps there are more gay people today because it's easier to come out about it?
As far as sexuality not being a necessity of life, if you feel it's that easy, then swear an oath of chastity here and now, to never know the comforts of the opposite sex, to never look at anything sexually arousing, to never masturbate. Do it, if it's so easy.
And finally, just because the society you live in regards what you do as wrong, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. If you don't, you're a damned coward. You accuse us of ignorance? Declaring putting someone to death on a 'crime' that clearly doesn't deserve it is not just a 'matter of opinion' as you put it. If a country executes any reporters who write bad stories against its government, it's not the reporter's fault for doing it, it's the government's for being fascist asshats.
Well if the dude will get sent back he should consider converting his religion, I mean there's no point in him being a muslim and being gay because it's like being Christian and not believing in Jesus Christ, the government probably will let him stay because there are other asylum seekers which get to stay for more minor reasons. Nevertheless, I'm not going to change my opinion on the fact I think for a person to be homosexual is ultimately a choice, but nevertheless I do admire the OP for caring so much.
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
Wow, a lot of ignorance is in the air, you shouldn't make comments of something you don't know much about. Being gay is Islam is strictly prohibited, has been and most probably always will be. The punishment death. Whether you think this is right or wrong is the matter of your opinion. 'Marriage' is recommended in Islam, the idea of it is the couple can have kids which will be born as Muslim (whether they want to stay Muslim when they reach adulthood is their choice) and the couple can stay closer to Islam. Being gay and knowing if you get caught you will become hanged is incredibly stupid if you ask me. Sexuality is not part of the 3 necessities of life, being gay is a choice imo, the percentage of gay has been increasing over the last decade clearly due to the impact of the media, imo 'being born gay' is a load of rubbish. We make decision how we want to be in life. I have nothing against homosexual people of this world but no way in hell I think you can be 'born gay.'
I'm gay. I never chose to be gay.
Get over yourself and your judgmental nature when it comes to other people. Instead of thinking you know everything about other people and their lives, why not ask one of us and find out the truth. We're not lying. We didn't choose this.
And then you excuse the killing of people because of the way they were born? Oh, but that's right, you've already decided we made a choice to be tortured and killed. Does that make logical sense to you. Go read the article and take note of what the guy said. Even in the face of possibly being sent back to be executed, he still is adamant about the fact that he did not choose who he falls in love with.
And no, the number of gay people is not increasing in the population. My guess is that it's the same percentage it's always been. There's just more of us willing to come out and tell others who we are. And we're more willing to do that because more people are listening to us for once, and also because we're sick and tired of being told how rotten we are because of how we were made.
I don't understand people like you. I really don't. I try and I try, but it just is beyond me. The only thing I can figure is that you are so comfortable in your majority that it's blurred your ability to listen. That's all you gotta do is just listen. We're telling you the truth.
....listen to yourself, you were born with a penis/vagina the whole purpose of the two biological parts of the body are to breed. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being gay, I'm not a scientist perhaps there maybe something about yourself which is different from a straight person but all i'm saying is being gay isn't like 1+1, and please just because you are gay doesn't mean you're special like everyone elses perception. People can prejudice against other people on the accounts of, weight, sex, age etc etc. If you want to think being gay is like the colour of your skin then thats your choice, and hence why I don't have feel too sorry for the person.
Where did you come up with the idea that I think I'm special? That statement alone gives me the impression that there is something more deep seated in you than just disagreeing with me about the choice thing. It gives me the impression that you've taken us being here personally. Otherwise you wouldn't have thrown that statement out there.
Oh, and that whole penis/vagina thing is such an old story. There is way more than just one reason for our sexual behavior. Ever heard of sex being a way of showing love for another person? That's the way I look at it. And I'm only capable of loving someone who is the same sex. Could you fall in love with a man? Well, I'm the same way with women, can't do it. That's what being gay is about. Not just the sex.
Does stuff like this make anyone else wonder about human beings? It seems that there is a mass hysteria that goes on in so many peoples heads.
Look at religion. I see the purpose of it. I see that it can help people live peacefully with one another and give us the guidance to live a happy life. But some people take it and turn it into something horrible. To me, anyone who does something like that has a mental health issue. Why the hostility towards others?
I am a Christian. I love Jesus Christ and believe in his message to his followers. I believe I am forgiven for my sins through him just like everyone else who is a sinner. Yet, I have people all the time ask me how I can be gay and be a Christian. I ask them where Jesus told me I could not. That usually shuts them up. But some people still question me to the point that they get angry. They actually tell me that I am trying to hijack their religion. What religion are they following? One that excludes certain people? I don't remember reading about Jesus doing that at all. And then there are people who use the Islamic religion to have us executed. How have these countries gone so far as to allow that to happen?
Think of some of the games we play. In a lot of them there is sometimes a race hellbent on destruction. Driven to tear good things apart. To me, I see that race in a lot of people walking this planet today and throughout our history.
Is it the craving for power? Then isn't that a mental health problem? Is it a lacking of empathy? That too is a mental health problem. Or maybe it's because people just feel like their lives are completely out of their control. That's a problem with authoritative over powering governments that people allow to remain. And to me, allowing that government to still exist is a sign of the people's mental health being beat up.
It's in our Constitution that we have the responsibility to bring down governments that become too powerful. Yet look at American's today. We are allowing our government to control us. A huge sign of mass hysteria. And Islamic nations seem to have gone even further off of that deep drop.
its amazing how we as humans are sometimes obsessed with what other people do. People always seem to know whats best for others but seldom think about really taking care of themselves. How can people say we are born a certain sexuality when tons of people switching between one thing and the next at the blink of an eye? Some go one way just on the weekends or with certain people. Some people want to experiment with different lifestyles. So are we going to say we were born to stay straight during the year except for holidays?
I think we are products of our environment.
People act the way they do because of experiences they have had and environments they have been in contact with. Can we say people were born to specifically be astronauts, rock stars, scientists, doctors? We are born with what our parents gave us whether it be blue eyes, brown hair, tall, short, etc. Are we to say if someone turns out to be gay or straight that they inherited this from a gene in the bloodline? Are we going to say I'm gay/straight because I got it from my mother/father??
Jesus loved everyone, he ate and hung out with prostitutes and other people who were looked down on by society but he didn't approve of their behavior. He just offered them a choice to live by his teachings or not based on free will.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
First let me say that liberalism is way out there as of late. So the boy is gay, thats suppose to make a difference? That boy chose his lifestyle. I know, I know... I am cold and callous. Its sad to see people try to make others have to accept the lifestyle they chose even though they know and the majority of people know that it is a taboo or something that is not readily accepted.
It is amazing to watch some people act nice in front of the person with the unacceptable lifestyle, only to see that same person get berated, joked at and made fun of when they are not around. I have no sympathy for this individual nor will I in the future. Liberalism sucks even in Britain and Iran
its amazing how we as humans are sometimes obsessed with what other people do. People always seem to know whats best for others but seldom think about really taking care of themselves. How can people say we are born a certain sexuality when tons of people switching between one thing and the next at the blink of an eye? Some go one way just on the weekends or with certain people. Some people want to experiment with different lifestyles. So are we going to say we were born to stay straight during the year except for holidays? I think we are products of our environment. People act the way they do because of experiences they have had and environments they have been in contact with. Can we say people were born to specifically be astronauts, rock stars, scientists, doctors? We are born with what our parents gave us whether it be blue eyes, brown hair, tall, short, etc. Are we to say if someone turns out to be gay or straight that they inherited this from a gene in the bloodline? Are we going to say I'm gay/straight because I got it from my mother/father?? Jesus loved everyone, he ate and hung out with prostitutes and other people who were looked down on by society but he didn't approve of their behavior. He just offered them a choice to live by his teachings or not based on free will.
I think Upallnight summed it up best. It's not about sex, it's about which sex you are able to fall in love with. Sometimes people get the two things mixed up.
Sure you can have sex with whomever. But most people can only fall in love with one sex. That's where I think you are either gay or straight.
That's why it's such a bad thing for gay people to be forced by society to act straight. It's deceitful. And imagine marrying someone only to find out later they weren't really in love with you. They just wanted to fit in. Wouldn't you feel ultimately betrayed by that person? I think it would rip someone's heart apart.
Why not let people be who they are? If you're gay then fall in love with who you can and have a good life with them. I have gay friends who are together and they are totally happy. And I'm happy for them.
First let me say that liberalism is way out there as of late. So the boy is gay, thats suppose to make a difference? That boy chose his lifestyle. I know, I know... I am cold and callous. Its sad to see people try to make others have to accept the lifestyle they chose even though they know and the majority of people know that it is a taboo or something that is not readily accepted. It is amazing to watch some people act nice in front of the person with the unacceptable lifestyle, only to see that same person get berated, joked at and made fun of when they are not around. I have no sympathy for this individual nor will I in the future. Liberalism sucks even in Britain and Iran
I don't think he wants your sympathy. I think he just wants to be able to live. He's up for execution in his home country. He doesn't want to go back and die. At that point, I don't care if you think it's a choice he made or not, the line of being inhumane has been crossed. He shouldn't have to go back and die. I think you can understand that.
Wow, a lot of ignorance is in the air, you shouldn't make comments of something you don't know much about. Being gay is Islam is strictly prohibited, has been and most probably always will be. The punishment death. Whether you think this is right or wrong is the matter of your opinion. 'Marriage' is recommended in Islam, the idea of it is the couple can have kids which will be born as Muslim (whether they want to stay Muslim when they reach adulthood is their choice) and the couple can stay closer to Islam. Being gay and knowing if you get caught you will become hanged is incredibly stupid if you ask me. Sexuality is not part of the 3 necessities of life, being gay is a choice imo, the percentage of gay has been increasing over the last decade clearly due to the impact of the media, imo 'being born gay' is a load of rubbish. We make decision how we want to be in life. I have nothing against homosexual people of this world but no way in hell I think you can be 'born gay.'
I'm gay. I never chose to be gay.
Get over yourself and your judgmental nature when it comes to other people. Instead of thinking you know everything about other people and their lives, why not ask one of us and find out the truth. We're not lying. We didn't choose this.
And then you excuse the killing of people because of the way they were born? Oh, but that's right, you've already decided we made a choice to be tortured and killed. Does that make logical sense to you. Go read the article and take note of what the guy said. Even in the face of possibly being sent back to be executed, he still is adamant about the fact that he did not choose who he falls in love with.
And no, the number of gay people is not increasing in the population. My guess is that it's the same percentage it's always been. There's just more of us willing to come out and tell others who we are. And we're more willing to do that because more people are listening to us for once, and also because we're sick and tired of being told how rotten we are because of how we were made.
I don't understand people like you. I really don't. I try and I try, but it just is beyond me. The only thing I can figure is that you are so comfortable in your majority that it's blurred your ability to listen. That's all you gotta do is just listen. We're telling you the truth.
....listen to yourself, you were born with a penis/vagina the whole purpose of the two biological parts of the body are to breed. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being gay, I'm not a scientist perhaps there maybe something about yourself which is different from a straight person but all i'm saying is being gay isn't like 1+1, and please just because you are gay doesn't mean you're special like everyone elses perception. People can prejudice against other people on the accounts of, weight, sex, age etc etc. If you want to think being gay is like the colour of your skin then thats your choice, and hence why I don't have feel too sorry for the person.
Where did you come up with the idea that I think I'm special? That statement alone gives me the impression that there is something more deep seated in you than just disagreeing with me about the choice thing. It gives me the impression that you've taken us being here personally. Otherwise you wouldn't have thrown that statement out there.
Oh, and that whole penis/vagina thing is such an old story. There is way more than just one reason for our sexual behavior. Ever heard of sex being a way of showing love for another person? That's the way I look at it. And I'm only capable of loving someone who is the same sex. Could you fall in love with a man? Well, I'm the same way with women, can't do it. That's what being gay is about. Not just the sex.
I understand what you are trying to say but the thing is the only reason why the Islamic nations have such strict methods is due to the corruption of society today. The holy book the Muslims use the Quran contains stuff which the Muslims are forbidden. It includes the brewing, consuming, selling of alcohol, adultery, thievery. The Islamic nations use punishment on that account. Thats why the things I have just listed occur so less there. However, the world as I see is just a very slow downward spiral. Look how easy it is to have sex with a prostitute these day, or access pornography etc etc. Perhaps the Islamic nations should amend their laws but say they let Muslims be gay because some people you say are born gay as you state; this means they are going against the Quran which kinda screws the whole thing up.
Generally there are two things which affect who you are, yourgenotype and theenvironment, so if I wasborn with a slow metabolism I would find it harder to keep the average weight and if I ate a 12" pizza everyday it would make the effect really worse. From what i've read and believe, I think yourgenotype will only have minor affect one ones sexuality and rest is the impact of the environment.
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
That boy chose his lifestyle. I know, I know... I am cold and callous. Its sad to see people try to make others have to accept the lifestyle they chose even though they know and the majority of people know that it is a taboo or something that is not readily accepted.
If you genuinely believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, then your position is not "cold and callous" but perfectly reasonable and logical. I'm inclined believe that it is not quite as simple as you (and Iran's sharia authorities) choose to think. Buying a Smeg fridge, an Audi sportscar or solar panels for your home - those are lifestyle choices. But is sexual orientation as simple as that? I don't know if there is conclusive scientific evidence to support either position and I won't pretend to have any regard for the pious postulations of religous authorities. However, it seems highly unlikely to me that anyone would consciously choose to be homosexual given the rather stark options that are available to gay men in Iran. I might like a Smeg fride, an Audi sportscar and some solar panels, but I wouldn't be willing to die for them.
WRT this particular case, it seems to me that he is a victim of the widespread cynicism that has grown from the long abuse of Britain's asylum system. I am not a liberal and I abhor the changes that mass immigration and multiculturalism have wrought in this country. However, a healthy wariness of the authenticity of some asylum applicants should not mean that we turn a blind eye to the genuine cases. The Home Office is better informed and in a better position to judge the merits of each applicant than we are, but on the surface of it there seems to be a clear argument for granting refuge.
That boy chose his lifestyle. I know, I know... I am cold and callous. Its sad to see people try to make others have to accept the lifestyle they chose even though they know and the majority of people know that it is a taboo or something that is not readily accepted.
If you genuinely believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, then your position is not "cold and callous" but perfectly reasonable and logical. I'm inclined believe that it is not quite as simple as you (and Iran's sharia authorities) choose to think. Buying a Smeg fridge, an Audi sportscar or solar panels for your home - those are lifestyle choices. But is sexual orientation as simple as that? I don't know if there is conclusive scientific evidence to support either position and I won't pretend to have any regard for the pious postulations of religous authorities. However, it seems highly unlikely to me that anyone would consciously choose to be homosexual given the rather stark options that are available to gay men in Iran. I might like a Smeg fride, an Audi sportscar and some solar panels, but I wouldn't be willing to die for them.
WRT this particular case, it seems to me that he is a victim of the widespread cynicism that has grown from the long abuse of Britain's asylum system. I am not a liberal and I abhor the changes that mass immigration and multiculturalism have wrought in this country. However, a healthy wariness of the authenticity of some asylum applicants should not mean that we turn a blind eye to the genuine cases. The Home Office is better informed and in a better position to judge the merits of each applicant than we are, but on the surface of it there seems to be a clear argument for granting refuge.
So are you saying that homosexuality is inherent genetically? A genetic mutation, a disorder, a disease? Which is it? Please explain.
Gnomexxx, also a response to you.Would I do it If I were gay and knew by speaking about it or showing through my actions, I would recieve a death sentence. Most logical people would not. As I said before it is by the kids choice. Frankly I hope Britain lets him stay. But on the otherhand the teenager and his parents are quite stupid. The teen is partially to blame for this predicament. There is no blame or sympathy for someone who makes a stupid mistake.
So are you saying that homosexuality is inherent genetically? A genetic mutation, a disorder, a disease? Which is it? Please explain.
I thought I was quite careful in my previous post to point out that I was not aware of any definitive scientific studies that explain the cause(s) of homosexuality. Those who have strong opinions either for or against will no doubt be able to post links to articles that support their chosen position. But I'm a regular, straight guy and I try to keep a reasonably open mind on these matters. If I lived in society where homosexuality was the norm and heterosexual activity was illegal and punishable by death, would I be able repress my urge to shag women? Would I be able to ignore those deep instincts and raging hormones and resign myself to spending the rest of my life feigning homosexuality and suppressing my desires? I really don't know for sure that I would despite the risks, but I can find sympathy for anyone who finds themself in what I imagine to be a comparable predicament.
That boy chose his lifestyle. I know, I know... I am cold and callous. Its sad to see people try to make others have to accept the lifestyle they chose even though they know and the majority of people know that it is a taboo or something that is not readily accepted.
If you genuinely believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, then your position is not "cold and callous" but perfectly reasonable and logical. I'm inclined believe that it is not quite as simple as you (and Iran's sharia authorities) choose to think. Buying a Smeg fridge, an Audi sportscar or solar panels for your home - those are lifestyle choices. But is sexual orientation as simple as that? I don't know if there is conclusive scientific evidence to support either position and I won't pretend to have any regard for the pious postulations of religous authorities. However, it seems highly unlikely to me that anyone would consciously choose to be homosexual given the rather stark options that are available to gay men in Iran. I might like a Smeg fride, an Audi sportscar and some solar panels, but I wouldn't be willing to die for them.
WRT this particular case, it seems to me that he is a victim of the widespread cynicism that has grown from the long abuse of Britain's asylum system. I am not a liberal and I abhor the changes that mass immigration and multiculturalism have wrought in this country. However, a healthy wariness of the authenticity of some asylum applicants should not mean that we turn a blind eye to the genuine cases. The Home Office is better informed and in a better position to judge the merits of each applicant than we are, but on the surface of it there seems to be a clear argument for granting refuge.
So are you saying that homosexuality is inherent genetically? A genetic mutation, a disorder, a disease? Which is it? Please explain.
Gnomexxx, also a response to you.Would I do it If I were gay and knew by speaking about it or showing through my actions, I would recieve a death sentence. Most logical people would not. As I said before it is by the kids choice. Frankly I hope Britain lets him stay. But on the otherhand the teenager and his parents are quite stupid. The teen is partially to blame for this predicament. There is no blame or sympathy for someone who makes a stupid mistake.
Personally, I don't believe it is genetic. I believe it is something that occurs in the womb. So it is neither genetic nor environmentally caused.
I like to study human behaviors. It's a real interest of mine. And I've read a pretty good bit about this homosexuality thing. Mostly because of how society reacts to people because they are different and somewhat because I have gay friends and it lends a bit of intrigue for that reason. Here's what I've found has been coming from the latest research.
In the womb, the fetus is exposed to a cocktail of hormones from the mother. These come in at different stages of fetal development and vary from person to person. They even vary from identical twin to identical twin. It has been shown, conclusively, that these hormones have a real effect on fetal development.
Now, I've got a question for you. And I've asked this before on this site. If there are so many differences in people who are born, such as base intelligence for instance, then how come some people act like sexuality is the one thing that is always the same in everyone? Why does that one thing seem to be concrete to you?
The studies I have read show that there are real differences in the brains of homosexuals. Those differences are there from birth!!! And the latest studies show that those differences occur when those hormones from the mother are introduced to the fetus in either less than normal amounts or more than normal amounts.
And I don't consider it anything wrong with the person. They're only different. And the friends I have that are gay are very productive, kind, compassionate, and moral (yes I said moral) people. The ones I know are in stable monogamous relationships. Something a lot of straight people could learn from!
Isn't granting asylum all about protecting non-criminals who face certain death? In western terms he's a non-criminal, he's in a western country, he's innocent by our standards, and he's facing death.
End of argument, grant him asylum, btw there is no way either country is gonna deport him back, it would never happen, the PR would be atrocious.
Isn't granting asylum all about protecting non-criminals who face certain death? In western terms he's a non-criminal, he's in a western country, he's innocent by our standards, and he's facing death. End of argument, grant him asylum, btw there is no way either country is gonna deport him back, it would never happen, the PR would be atrocious.
Exactly if what he says is true [which it seems to be] then he will be fine.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
In a nutshell, homosexuality hasn't been proved to be completely reliant on inheritance, maybe the 'cocktail hormone theory' may be indeed correct but I do not believe the whole completely gay @ birth thing. The person with that difference will have thoughts and feelings whether s/he wants to become gay as obviously only a small % of the population is gay. This ultimately means during the thought process that person thought, o.k. I feel this way about men and I will have a relationship with another man even though I know if I get caught I will be killed, I mean wtf was he thinking? I mean this goes beyond how religious one is, it's plain stupidity.
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
I seriously hate the Islamic culture. I really do. I know a lot of you people are going to come at me saying "But Muslims believe in many of the same moral virtues as Christianity and Judaism!". This is true, and as a religion, Islam can be very peaceful, and serene. As a culture, however, it is a raging juggernaut of extremism and intolerance, which simply cannot fit in modern society.
We're all aware of Islamic tension with the western world. This is due to our customs that do not agree with their faith, so they view us with hatred and disdain. Women walk freely, they show skin, they have jobs, etc. We practice obscene amounts of hedonism, live in the lap of luxury, what have you. Money is the god of the Western world as far as they're concerned (which isn't entirely inaccurate), therefore we spit in Allah's face. So they hate us. This would not concern me if this hatred did not come in the form of outward attacks of animosity.
This is not exclusive to the Western world, either. In the early 20th century, Muslims residing in India had become so fed up with the Indians, and their Hindu culture, that they struck out in bloody conflict with the most peaceful of modern religions. They took offense to Hindus referring to Allah as an aspect of Brahman, a core belief of Hindu religion (All gods exist in one way or another, they are all simply aspects of the true ultimate reality). Through this bloody conflict, they formed the country of Pakistan. Now, both countries have nuclear technology, and that tension still remains.
And even now, Muslim immigrants in the Western world claim a message of peace, and simply wishing a place to live. But still, they demand special treatment because of their beliefs, demand everyone else conform to their views, and holding open hostility to any form of compromise. Immigration, and holding on to one's culture is fine, but out-right refusal of some kind of assimilation is ridiculous.
I realize this does not apply to all Muslims, I even have a few Muslim friends who do not fit into any of these categories, but a society of martyrs with no tolerance for other cultures simply cannot exist in the modern age. It's simply too volatile, too dangerous. I'm not calling on some open conflict with Muslims, because that would make myself no better than they (Hypocrisy doesn't suit me well, either), but can't they realize that living with utter devotion simply leaves them blind? Being an Agnostic, I just don't sit well with religious extremists, Muslim, Christian, or otherwise.
assimilate? as a majority, no chance. leftist politicians are very quick to remove christian God from view but promote what they seek to hide, which is religion. in this case, muslim islam or whatever its called. think of the teddy bear incident or the drawing of mohammed. in fact, if i were to put up a signature picture of mohammed in a demeaning way, i would be banned here. that itself tells me how far this insanity has already gone. leftists are always thinking short term. idiots
"And even now, Muslim immigrants in the Western world claim a message of peace, and simply wishing a place to live. But still, they demand special treatment because of their beliefs, demand everyone else conform to their views, and holding open hostility to any form of compromise. Immigration, and holding on to one's culture is fine, but out-right refusal of some kind of assimilation is ridiculous."
as i said, as a majority there is no way assimilation can occur. britain is doomed.
assimilate? as a majority, no chance. leftist politicians are very quick to remove christian God from view but promote what they seek to hide, which is religion. in this case, muslim islam or whatever its called. think of the teddy bear incident or the drawing of mohammed. in fact, if i were to put up a signature picture of mohammed in a demeaning way, i would be banned here. that itself tells me how far this insanity has already gone. leftists are always thinking short term. idiots "And even now, Muslim immigrants in the Western world claim a message of peace, and simply wishing a place to live. But still, they demand special treatment because of their beliefs, demand everyone else conform to their views, and holding open hostility to any form of compromise. Immigration, and holding on to one's culture is fine, but out-right refusal of some kind of assimilation is ridiculous." as i said, as a majority there is no way assimilation can occur. britain is doomed.
Both sides of the political spectrum are flawed, saying that one is better than the other is just plain ridiculous. Liberals (in the modern sense) preach more social freedoms, but they also seek to promote heavy amounts of government intervention, which, IMO, can only end badly. Whereas conservatives preach limited government intervention, but this limited intervention is used to enforce morals that they hold true. Conservatives, being Republican dominant, and the Republican party having strong ties to the Christian Coalition, means you're pretty much boned if you're not a Christian. The Democrats (the modern liberals) bone everybody who is not on the government's payroll, or receiving government aid. They both suck.
I'm a libertarian, which is essentially the classic sense of a liberal, little to no government intervention, with freedom of social policies. Sadly, democracy seems to be completely steering clear of that route, globally, I might add. It's not going to happen, but I don't care. I've got my sets of principles, and I stick to them.
The same reason no government-enforced assimilation will occur, is the same reason libertarianism will remain in the gutter; nobody wants to risk their cushy seats down in Washington.
Who are we to decide that their culture is wrong or right?
Also there arent facts about how people become gay, the only fact that there is and actually matter is that people are gay. Of course its interresting to know it, but we should let the scientists work on that.
What i'm more worried about is our culture, even though we say we accept gay people there is still a lot of violence and discrimination against them (even in the netherlands). Lets work on that first before we start blaming Iran for being harsh on gay people.
About the boy himself, i think the netherlands will accept him, not because he's gay and his life is in danger but because the netherlands are in need of working force. And since he's a college student he's more likely to be accepted the a poor farmer without any education and little understanding of the dutch culture or language.
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Or perhaps there are more gay people today because it's easier to come out about it?
As far as sexuality not being a necessity of life, if you feel it's that easy, then swear an oath of chastity here and now, to never know the comforts of the opposite sex, to never look at anything sexually arousing, to never masturbate. Do it, if it's so easy.
And finally, just because the society you live in regards what you do as wrong, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. If you don't, you're a damned coward. You accuse us of ignorance? Declaring putting someone to death on a 'crime' that clearly doesn't deserve it is not just a 'matter of opinion' as you put it. If a country executes any reporters who write bad stories against its government, it's not the reporter's fault for doing it, it's the government's for being fascist asshats.
Or perhaps there are more gay people today because it's easier to come out about it?
As far as sexuality not being a necessity of life, if you feel it's that easy, then swear an oath of chastity here and now, to never know the comforts of the opposite sex, to never look at anything sexually arousing, to never masturbate. Do it, if it's so easy.
And finally, just because the society you live in regards what you do as wrong, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. If you don't, you're a damned coward. You accuse us of ignorance? Declaring putting someone to death on a 'crime' that clearly doesn't deserve it is not just a 'matter of opinion' as you put it. If a country executes any reporters who write bad stories against its government, it's not the reporter's fault for doing it, it's the government's for being fascist asshats.
Well if the dude will get sent back he should consider converting his religion, I mean there's no point in him being a muslim and being gay because it's like being Christian and not believing in Jesus Christ, the government probably will let him stay because there are other asylum seekers which get to stay for more minor reasons. Nevertheless, I'm not going to change my opinion on the fact I think for a person to be homosexual is ultimately a choice, but nevertheless I do admire the OP for caring so much.
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Its a Crime to send him back,this is anuff reason to bomb them back to the stone age if they want to ack damm cave men then lets treat them as such..
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oh stfu, this is the typical daft attitude which caused the infamous "War on terror" in Iraq.
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I'm gay. I never chose to be gay.Get over yourself and your judgmental nature when it comes to other people. Instead of thinking you know everything about other people and their lives, why not ask one of us and find out the truth. We're not lying. We didn't choose this.
And then you excuse the killing of people because of the way they were born? Oh, but that's right, you've already decided we made a choice to be tortured and killed. Does that make logical sense to you. Go read the article and take note of what the guy said. Even in the face of possibly being sent back to be executed, he still is adamant about the fact that he did not choose who he falls in love with.
And no, the number of gay people is not increasing in the population. My guess is that it's the same percentage it's always been. There's just more of us willing to come out and tell others who we are. And we're more willing to do that because more people are listening to us for once, and also because we're sick and tired of being told how rotten we are because of how we were made.
I don't understand people like you. I really don't. I try and I try, but it just is beyond me. The only thing I can figure is that you are so comfortable in your majority that it's blurred your ability to listen. That's all you gotta do is just listen. We're telling you the truth.
....listen to yourself, you were born with a penis/vagina the whole purpose of the two biological parts of the body are to breed. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being gay, I'm not a scientist perhaps there maybe something about yourself which is different from a straight person but all i'm saying is being gay isn't like 1+1, and please just because you are gay doesn't mean you're special like everyone elses perception. People can prejudice against other people on the accounts of, weight, sex, age etc etc. If you want to think being gay is like the colour of your skin then thats your choice, and hence why I don't have feel too sorry for the person.
Where did you come up with the idea that I think I'm special? That statement alone gives me the impression that there is something more deep seated in you than just disagreeing with me about the choice thing. It gives me the impression that you've taken us being here personally. Otherwise you wouldn't have thrown that statement out there.
Oh, and that whole penis/vagina thing is such an old story. There is way more than just one reason for our sexual behavior. Ever heard of sex being a way of showing love for another person? That's the way I look at it. And I'm only capable of loving someone who is the same sex. Could you fall in love with a man? Well, I'm the same way with women, can't do it. That's what being gay is about. Not just the sex.
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Does stuff like this make anyone else wonder about human beings? It seems that there is a mass hysteria that goes on in so many peoples heads.
Look at religion. I see the purpose of it. I see that it can help people live peacefully with one another and give us the guidance to live a happy life. But some people take it and turn it into something horrible. To me, anyone who does something like that has a mental health issue. Why the hostility towards others?
I am a Christian. I love Jesus Christ and believe in his message to his followers. I believe I am forgiven for my sins through him just like everyone else who is a sinner. Yet, I have people all the time ask me how I can be gay and be a Christian. I ask them where Jesus told me I could not. That usually shuts them up. But some people still question me to the point that they get angry. They actually tell me that I am trying to hijack their religion. What religion are they following? One that excludes certain people? I don't remember reading about Jesus doing that at all. And then there are people who use the Islamic religion to have us executed. How have these countries gone so far as to allow that to happen?
Think of some of the games we play. In a lot of them there is sometimes a race hellbent on destruction. Driven to tear good things apart. To me, I see that race in a lot of people walking this planet today and throughout our history.
Is it the craving for power? Then isn't that a mental health problem? Is it a lacking of empathy? That too is a mental health problem. Or maybe it's because people just feel like their lives are completely out of their control. That's a problem with authoritative over powering governments that people allow to remain. And to me, allowing that government to still exist is a sign of the people's mental health being beat up.
It's in our Constitution that we have the responsibility to bring down governments that become too powerful. Yet look at American's today. We are allowing our government to control us. A huge sign of mass hysteria. And Islamic nations seem to have gone even further off of that deep drop.
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its amazing how we as humans are sometimes obsessed with what other people do. People always seem to know whats best for others but seldom think about really taking care of themselves. How can people say we are born a certain sexuality when tons of people switching between one thing and the next at the blink of an eye? Some go one way just on the weekends or with certain people. Some people want to experiment with different lifestyles. So are we going to say we were born to stay straight during the year except for holidays?
I think we are products of our environment.
People act the way they do because of experiences they have had and environments they have been in contact with. Can we say people were born to specifically be astronauts, rock stars, scientists, doctors? We are born with what our parents gave us whether it be blue eyes, brown hair, tall, short, etc. Are we to say if someone turns out to be gay or straight that they inherited this from a gene in the bloodline? Are we going to say I'm gay/straight because I got it from my mother/father??
Jesus loved everyone, he ate and hung out with prostitutes and other people who were looked down on by society but he didn't approve of their behavior. He just offered them a choice to live by his teachings or not based on free will.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
First let me say that liberalism is way out there as of late. So the boy is gay, thats suppose to make a difference? That boy chose his lifestyle. I know, I know... I am cold and callous. Its sad to see people try to make others have to accept the lifestyle they chose even though they know and the majority of people know that it is a taboo or something that is not readily accepted.
It is amazing to watch some people act nice in front of the person with the unacceptable lifestyle, only to see that same person get berated, joked at and made fun of when they are not around. I have no sympathy for this individual nor will I in the future. Liberalism sucks even in Britain and Iran
Sure you can have sex with whomever. But most people can only fall in love with one sex. That's where I think you are either gay or straight.
That's why it's such a bad thing for gay people to be forced by society to act straight. It's deceitful. And imagine marrying someone only to find out later they weren't really in love with you. They just wanted to fit in. Wouldn't you feel ultimately betrayed by that person? I think it would rip someone's heart apart.
Why not let people be who they are? If you're gay then fall in love with who you can and have a good life with them. I have gay friends who are together and they are totally happy. And I'm happy for them.
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I don't think he wants your sympathy. I think he just wants to be able to live. He's up for execution in his home country. He doesn't want to go back and die. At that point, I don't care if you think it's a choice he made or not, the line of being inhumane has been crossed. He shouldn't have to go back and die. I think you can understand that.
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I'm gay. I never chose to be gay.Get over yourself and your judgmental nature when it comes to other people. Instead of thinking you know everything about other people and their lives, why not ask one of us and find out the truth. We're not lying. We didn't choose this.
And then you excuse the killing of people because of the way they were born? Oh, but that's right, you've already decided we made a choice to be tortured and killed. Does that make logical sense to you. Go read the article and take note of what the guy said. Even in the face of possibly being sent back to be executed, he still is adamant about the fact that he did not choose who he falls in love with.
And no, the number of gay people is not increasing in the population. My guess is that it's the same percentage it's always been. There's just more of us willing to come out and tell others who we are. And we're more willing to do that because more people are listening to us for once, and also because we're sick and tired of being told how rotten we are because of how we were made.
I don't understand people like you. I really don't. I try and I try, but it just is beyond me. The only thing I can figure is that you are so comfortable in your majority that it's blurred your ability to listen. That's all you gotta do is just listen. We're telling you the truth.
....listen to yourself, you were born with a penis/vagina the whole purpose of the two biological parts of the body are to breed. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being gay, I'm not a scientist perhaps there maybe something about yourself which is different from a straight person but all i'm saying is being gay isn't like 1+1, and please just because you are gay doesn't mean you're special like everyone elses perception. People can prejudice against other people on the accounts of, weight, sex, age etc etc. If you want to think being gay is like the colour of your skin then thats your choice, and hence why I don't have feel too sorry for the person.
Where did you come up with the idea that I think I'm special? That statement alone gives me the impression that there is something more deep seated in you than just disagreeing with me about the choice thing. It gives me the impression that you've taken us being here personally. Otherwise you wouldn't have thrown that statement out there.
Oh, and that whole penis/vagina thing is such an old story. There is way more than just one reason for our sexual behavior. Ever heard of sex being a way of showing love for another person? That's the way I look at it. And I'm only capable of loving someone who is the same sex. Could you fall in love with a man? Well, I'm the same way with women, can't do it. That's what being gay is about. Not just the sex.
I understand what you are trying to say but the thing is the only reason why the Islamic nations have such strict methods is due to the corruption of society today. The holy book the Muslims use the Quran contains stuff which the Muslims are forbidden. It includes the brewing, consuming, selling of alcohol, adultery, thievery. The Islamic nations use punishment on that account. Thats why the things I have just listed occur so less there. However, the world as I see is just a very slow downward spiral. Look how easy it is to have sex with a prostitute these day, or access pornography etc etc. Perhaps the Islamic nations should amend their laws but say they let Muslims be gay because some people you say are born gay as you state; this means they are going against the Quran which kinda screws the whole thing up.
Generally there are two things which affect who you are, your genotype and the environment, so if I was born with a slow metabolism I would find it harder to keep the average weight and if I ate a 12" pizza everyday it would make the effect really worse. From what i've read and believe, I think your genotype will only have minor affect one ones sexuality and rest is the impact of the environment.
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If you genuinely believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, then your position is not "cold and callous" but perfectly reasonable and logical. I'm inclined believe that it is not quite as simple as you (and Iran's sharia authorities) choose to think. Buying a Smeg fridge, an Audi sportscar or solar panels for your home - those are lifestyle choices. But is sexual orientation as simple as that? I don't know if there is conclusive scientific evidence to support either position and I won't pretend to have any regard for the pious postulations of religous authorities. However, it seems highly unlikely to me that anyone would consciously choose to be homosexual given the rather stark options that are available to gay men in Iran. I might like a Smeg fride, an Audi sportscar and some solar panels, but I wouldn't be willing to die for them.
WRT this particular case, it seems to me that he is a victim of the widespread cynicism that has grown from the long abuse of Britain's asylum system. I am not a liberal and I abhor the changes that mass immigration and multiculturalism have wrought in this country. However, a healthy wariness of the authenticity of some asylum applicants should not mean that we turn a blind eye to the genuine cases. The Home Office is better informed and in a better position to judge the merits of each applicant than we are, but on the surface of it there seems to be a clear argument for granting refuge.
If you genuinely believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, then your position is not "cold and callous" but perfectly reasonable and logical. I'm inclined believe that it is not quite as simple as you (and Iran's sharia authorities) choose to think. Buying a Smeg fridge, an Audi sportscar or solar panels for your home - those are lifestyle choices. But is sexual orientation as simple as that? I don't know if there is conclusive scientific evidence to support either position and I won't pretend to have any regard for the pious postulations of religous authorities. However, it seems highly unlikely to me that anyone would consciously choose to be homosexual given the rather stark options that are available to gay men in Iran. I might like a Smeg fride, an Audi sportscar and some solar panels, but I wouldn't be willing to die for them.
WRT this particular case, it seems to me that he is a victim of the widespread cynicism that has grown from the long abuse of Britain's asylum system. I am not a liberal and I abhor the changes that mass immigration and multiculturalism have wrought in this country. However, a healthy wariness of the authenticity of some asylum applicants should not mean that we turn a blind eye to the genuine cases. The Home Office is better informed and in a better position to judge the merits of each applicant than we are, but on the surface of it there seems to be a clear argument for granting refuge.
So are you saying that homosexuality is inherent genetically? A genetic mutation, a disorder, a disease? Which is it? Please explain.Gnomexxx, also a response to you.Would I do it If I were gay and knew by speaking about it or showing through my actions, I would recieve a death sentence. Most logical people would not. As I said before it is by the kids choice. Frankly I hope Britain lets him stay. But on the otherhand the teenager and his parents are quite stupid. The teen is partially to blame for this predicament. There is no blame or sympathy for someone who makes a stupid mistake.
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I thought I was quite careful in my previous post to point out that I was not aware of any definitive scientific studies that explain the cause(s) of homosexuality. Those who have strong opinions either for or against will no doubt be able to post links to articles that support their chosen position. But I'm a regular, straight guy and I try to keep a reasonably open mind on these matters. If I lived in society where homosexuality was the norm and heterosexual activity was illegal and punishable by death, would I be able repress my urge to shag women? Would I be able to ignore those deep instincts and raging hormones and resign myself to spending the rest of my life feigning homosexuality and suppressing my desires? I really don't know for sure that I would despite the risks, but I can find sympathy for anyone who finds themself in what I imagine to be a comparable predicament.
If you genuinely believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, then your position is not "cold and callous" but perfectly reasonable and logical. I'm inclined believe that it is not quite as simple as you (and Iran's sharia authorities) choose to think. Buying a Smeg fridge, an Audi sportscar or solar panels for your home - those are lifestyle choices. But is sexual orientation as simple as that? I don't know if there is conclusive scientific evidence to support either position and I won't pretend to have any regard for the pious postulations of religous authorities. However, it seems highly unlikely to me that anyone would consciously choose to be homosexual given the rather stark options that are available to gay men in Iran. I might like a Smeg fride, an Audi sportscar and some solar panels, but I wouldn't be willing to die for them.
WRT this particular case, it seems to me that he is a victim of the widespread cynicism that has grown from the long abuse of Britain's asylum system. I am not a liberal and I abhor the changes that mass immigration and multiculturalism have wrought in this country. However, a healthy wariness of the authenticity of some asylum applicants should not mean that we turn a blind eye to the genuine cases. The Home Office is better informed and in a better position to judge the merits of each applicant than we are, but on the surface of it there seems to be a clear argument for granting refuge.
So are you saying that homosexuality is inherent genetically? A genetic mutation, a disorder, a disease? Which is it? Please explain.Gnomexxx, also a response to you.Would I do it If I were gay and knew by speaking about it or showing through my actions, I would recieve a death sentence. Most logical people would not. As I said before it is by the kids choice. Frankly I hope Britain lets him stay. But on the otherhand the teenager and his parents are quite stupid. The teen is partially to blame for this predicament. There is no blame or sympathy for someone who makes a stupid mistake.
Personally, I don't believe it is genetic. I believe it is something that occurs in the womb. So it is neither genetic nor environmentally caused.I like to study human behaviors. It's a real interest of mine. And I've read a pretty good bit about this homosexuality thing. Mostly because of how society reacts to people because they are different and somewhat because I have gay friends and it lends a bit of intrigue for that reason. Here's what I've found has been coming from the latest research.
In the womb, the fetus is exposed to a cocktail of hormones from the mother. These come in at different stages of fetal development and vary from person to person. They even vary from identical twin to identical twin. It has been shown, conclusively, that these hormones have a real effect on fetal development.
Now, I've got a question for you. And I've asked this before on this site. If there are so many differences in people who are born, such as base intelligence for instance, then how come some people act like sexuality is the one thing that is always the same in everyone? Why does that one thing seem to be concrete to you?
The studies I have read show that there are real differences in the brains of homosexuals. Those differences are there from birth!!! And the latest studies show that those differences occur when those hormones from the mother are introduced to the fetus in either less than normal amounts or more than normal amounts.
And I don't consider it anything wrong with the person. They're only different. And the friends I have that are gay are very productive, kind, compassionate, and moral (yes I said moral) people. The ones I know are in stable monogamous relationships. Something a lot of straight people could learn from!
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Isn't granting asylum all about protecting non-criminals who face certain death? In western terms he's a non-criminal, he's in a western country, he's innocent by our standards, and he's facing death.
End of argument, grant him asylum, btw there is no way either country is gonna deport him back, it would never happen, the PR would be atrocious.
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Exactly if what he says is true [which it seems to be] then he will be fine.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
In a nutshell, homosexuality hasn't been proved to be completely reliant on inheritance, maybe the 'cocktail hormone theory' may be indeed correct but I do not believe the whole completely gay @ birth thing. The person with that difference will have thoughts and feelings whether s/he wants to become gay as obviously only a small % of the population is gay. This ultimately means during the thought process that person thought, o.k. I feel this way about men and I will have a relationship with another man even though I know if I get caught I will be killed, I mean wtf was he thinking? I mean this goes beyond how religious one is, it's plain stupidity.
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We just need to give Iran some good old fashion Democracy.FIXED and pwnd
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
I seriously hate the Islamic culture. I really do. I know a lot of you people are going to come at me saying "But Muslims believe in many of the same moral virtues as Christianity and Judaism!". This is true, and as a religion, Islam can be very peaceful, and serene. As a culture, however, it is a raging juggernaut of extremism and intolerance, which simply cannot fit in modern society.
We're all aware of Islamic tension with the western world. This is due to our customs that do not agree with their faith, so they view us with hatred and disdain. Women walk freely, they show skin, they have jobs, etc. We practice obscene amounts of hedonism, live in the lap of luxury, what have you. Money is the god of the Western world as far as they're concerned (which isn't entirely inaccurate), therefore we spit in Allah's face. So they hate us. This would not concern me if this hatred did not come in the form of outward attacks of animosity.
This is not exclusive to the Western world, either. In the early 20th century, Muslims residing in India had become so fed up with the Indians, and their Hindu culture, that they struck out in bloody conflict with the most peaceful of modern religions. They took offense to Hindus referring to Allah as an aspect of Brahman, a core belief of Hindu religion (All gods exist in one way or another, they are all simply aspects of the true ultimate reality). Through this bloody conflict, they formed the country of Pakistan. Now, both countries have nuclear technology, and that tension still remains.
And even now, Muslim immigrants in the Western world claim a message of peace, and simply wishing a place to live. But still, they demand special treatment because of their beliefs, demand everyone else conform to their views, and holding open hostility to any form of compromise. Immigration, and holding on to one's culture is fine, but out-right refusal of some kind of assimilation is ridiculous.
I realize this does not apply to all Muslims, I even have a few Muslim friends who do not fit into any of these categories, but a society of martyrs with no tolerance for other cultures simply cannot exist in the modern age. It's simply too volatile, too dangerous. I'm not calling on some open conflict with Muslims, because that would make myself no better than they (Hypocrisy doesn't suit me well, either), but can't they realize that living with utter devotion simply leaves them blind? Being an Agnostic, I just don't sit well with religious extremists, Muslim, Christian, or otherwise.
assimilate? as a majority, no chance. leftist politicians are very quick to remove christian God from view but promote what they seek to hide, which is religion. in this case, muslim islam or whatever its called. think of the teddy bear incident or the drawing of mohammed. in fact, if i were to put up a signature picture of mohammed in a demeaning way, i would be banned here. that itself tells me how far this insanity has already gone. leftists are always thinking short term. idiots
"And even now, Muslim immigrants in the Western world claim a message of peace, and simply wishing a place to live. But still, they demand special treatment because of their beliefs, demand everyone else conform to their views, and holding open hostility to any form of compromise. Immigration, and holding on to one's culture is fine, but out-right refusal of some kind of assimilation is ridiculous."
as i said, as a majority there is no way assimilation can occur. britain is doomed.
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I'm a libertarian, which is essentially the classic sense of a liberal, little to no government intervention, with freedom of social policies. Sadly, democracy seems to be completely steering clear of that route, globally, I might add. It's not going to happen, but I don't care. I've got my sets of principles, and I stick to them.
The same reason no government-enforced assimilation will occur, is the same reason libertarianism will remain in the gutter; nobody wants to risk their cushy seats down in Washington.
Who are we to decide that their culture is wrong or right?
Also there arent facts about how people become gay, the only fact that there is and actually matter is that people are gay. Of course its interresting to know it, but we should let the scientists work on that.
What i'm more worried about is our culture, even though we say we accept gay people there is still a lot of violence and discrimination against them (even in the netherlands). Lets work on that first before we start blaming Iran for being harsh on gay people.
About the boy himself, i think the netherlands will accept him, not because he's gay and his life is in danger but because the netherlands are in need of working force. And since he's a college student he's more likely to be accepted the a poor farmer without any education and little understanding of the dutch culture or language.
being a gay is not a crime...its their choice to be a gay..
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