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Looking for a game with Complex crafting
I'm looking for a game to play, that involves crafting, and not the WoW type of crafting. I play games most of my day due to being disabled. It don't matter if it is p2p or f2p, but it needs to be a good quality game. I've played most of what the genre has to offer, but I figured I would post to see if there is something I may of missed. I love EvE, but I'm bored to tears with it. If there is any other info needed, let me know and I'll answer. Thanks.
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EVE is the only one I can think of atm. Sry
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is it bad that eve is the only crafting oriented game out in the gaming world? Eve is a PVP game through and through and yet it's crafting is a whole another part of the game that can make you forget pvp ever existed. Well I hope I can find something, cause i'm bored.
If you have a good computer, I would suggest you try out Vanguard. The game's come a long way from release and the crafting is fairly involved and deep.
Vanguard does not have a complex crafting system. It does make the player click far too many buttons just to create an item. Most VG players think the crafting is complex because through the crafting process, you have chances of complications being produced...which just make crafting items all that more a pain in the ass.
If you want deep crafting, I definitely suggest Eve-Online. While your ship is your character (that will change this fall), and the Eve universe is no-holds barred PvP, you can still craft w/o taking part in PvP battles. You can join an Industrial Corp. and craft for them. They usually supply the materials needed and will probably pay you on a weekly basis to craft items for them. With one server hosting up to 50K players at any given time, you will definitely have a market to sell your items to. In Eve, nothing is supplied by the developers. Everything has to be made. Those PvPers who get their ships blasted to oblivion on a daily basis rely on the crafters and miners to gather up materials and produce new ships, ammo, ship mods, etc etc (so many item types to list). You can definitely make a name for yourself here as a crafter.
If you want a fantasy setting, Saga of Ryzom also has a deep crafting system. This system allows you to combine materials in a myriad of ways to create items. There is no one way to go about crafting in this game. However, the game is up in the air with current developer not supporting it and not taking payments. Nobody knows if this game will last for much longer. It is a shame too. One of the last sandbox fantasy MMOs out there and most people would rather play WoW or Vanguard. Bah.
Edit: By the way, there is a 14 day free trial of Eve on their web site. If you are a Steam user, you can download a 21 day free trial from them. In either case, plenty of time to see if the game is right for you.
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Isn't crafting in vanguard pointless? From what i've read, (doesn't make it true) crafted items don't stack up next to looted items, and the complexity with all the failures really makes it worthless to do. I did try Vanguard a while ago, and from what i remember hearing from alot of people in Martok, that it was pointless for me to bother doing it. Maybe if you play you could shed some light on this.
I am currently playing eve. I'm just bored with it. My character is over 2 and 1/2 years old, 40 million in skill points, and i've got at least 300 mil in just isk laying around. I'm in a really good indy corp, I guess i'm just bored of mining and doing missions all day. If pvp was my thing, I think i wouldn't have this issue.
I might suggest joining a PvP Alliance (not corp) and be on their industrial team. If you base out of Empire, the production of items can feel utterly meaningless and it seems your just simply playing the game to make a 5% profit on your 5 hours of work. 0.0 space is not all pew pew. Find an Alliance that is well established in their home, not moving from place to place and has a respectable group of pvp pilots. Those pilots will need items built in their own home, because importing mass items from Empire is a logistical nightmare. The Ore is best in 0.0 space and will provide you with all the minerals you need to make anything in the game.
Also, if you want to get into REALLY complicated production, take a look into Moon mining and Tech 2 production. I've just dabbled into that stuff, but it seemed like a lot of logistics for the outcome. You can get really rich off it though, and it provides items that not a lot of other people can make.
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I actually do tech 2 production and cap ship production for my corp. Our corp supports a few corps actually. Being in .0 is fun but too much moving around to be honest. It is hard to have a "stable home" in .0 due to all the fighting and wars and such that goes on out there. I've been there and did that too for 6 months, during times of raids and such, i would be stuck in station as i didn't really have the experenice to pvp, and nor did i really have an interest to do it.
I feel dumb for suggesting Eve and not looking at your sig.
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I can't say I'm experienced with every MMO out there, but I do think you're going to have a hard time finding anything more complex than T2 production. I'm curious which Alliance you were in? Some Alliances do have the misfortune of being forced to move all the time, or they may choose to live that way. I do know quite a few Alliances that have held onto their respective homes for a very long time. I can't say that about my Alliance, as we just moved a couple months ago, but I believe where we are is our final home. We plan to dig in pretty deep here.
Hmm...I read this thread, so I know what has been said so far. Do you like combat at all? If not, you should transfer over to Project Entropia, Second Life, or SIMs. I think Project Entropia would better suit you, since you said you play all day. You can actually make money off of that game and from what I hear, the game is complex.
SWG also has a complex crafting system, but no one really knows when that games plug will be pulled. The player base is also small and crafting items aren't worth as much as they used to be. But still, die hard crafters have been able to carve themselves a piece of fun out of that game, but it takes dedication. If you only care about day to day fun and not a long term committment, it is worth a look. You never know.
Vanguards crafting is more complex than most fantasy based quest games, but as another poster said, it isn't complex...especially compared to someone who has mastered EvE's crafting system. It's hard to suggest anything for you since you have mastered EvE's system.
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Yea, eve's system is a little bit to get a hang on. I love it's system though, just bored with the everyday in eve. I don't mind combat, as long as I don't have to pvp. I don't mind if combat is the main highlight in the game, just as long as crafting is just as important and gets you involved. I tend to do missions for fun in there, but they are so repetitive, so after doing like 15-20 a day you tend to get bored with them. Mining is just as boring, seeing you sit there and wait 3 mins to drop ore into a can for your alt to take it away. Though I can say i do mine well when i do mine. There really isn't nothing wrong with eve, it is just I've played it so long I guess i'm burned out on it. As far as PE, SL or SIMS, I've played PE, not really too fun. The actual mechanics are rough to work with, without remapping every key to make it work, and even then it isn't that great. Second life, I refuse to play. Not only are the graphics horrible, but I also don't like the idea that the company itself doesn't have enough money to back their own economy. I haven't really tried the sims, but I didn't really like their console or pc standalone versions, so I don't think I would get into that too well.
Final Fantasy XI has some really complex crafting, it's also one of the hardest games to level crafting out there
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At higher levels it can be profitable, but it is a huge huge money sink til then. Not to mention the forcing of partying, which in itself isn't too bad but when you are unable to do anything alone less your at least 10 levels above the target just to farm it isn't something i'm too fond of. Plus, last time i played it, i remember seeing people botting out in the dunes for that NM fly that drops that emperor ring. I can only assume this gets worse as you get higher and higher. 4 years ago I had a level 63 whm when I quit. Sadly, I didn't know they deleted characters, so she is long gone. I haven't gotten past 20 though since i started again, mainly due to lack of finding parties, and nothing really to do.
There's really not much out there as far as complex crafting goes. I guess the crafting in WoW is improving, but it's more like "they have more things to make than before" than "they have things that matter in the rest of the game" (even though engineering was always fun). Lord of the Rings Online has similar crafting as WoW though more reliant on stuff crafted by others. Actually I think most fantasy MMO's have craft systems like that. I'd stay far away from EQ2's crafting (I was trying out the free trial and spent over a half hour failing to make something below my skill level) or any similar systems. Making crafting a pain in the *ss does not mean it's complex. Aside from EVE most games I can think of treat crafting as practically an afterthought. It's the PvP and raid type encounters that the majority of MMOs focus on so I think you may be out of luck. I suppose if it's just a matter of boredom I don't know if there are similar things you could do in EVE or whatever game you're currently playing, but I always kept WoW interesting to me by making things difficult for myself (using only certain types of weapons or armor, or just trying different setups or doing things differently than what everyone says is best).
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Vanguards crafting is very nice compared to wow. The customizable options are extensive although people usually only want specific ones. I don't know if raid gear is better, but crafted gear pre-raid is usually the best you can get. Leveling crafting can be a little grindy though.
If your willing to join an older MMO, Horizons has one of the best crafting of any game I've played. The game has a very dedicated community, but not alot of new/low level people to need crafted items so the economy isn't so hot.
SWG has lots of potential, but with leveling crafting so easy, almost everyone has a max crafter. Making the best items is all about exploring and finding the best resources before other people monopolize all the gather points. Some servers are fairly lively, others deserted. I'm not sure where the shut down rumors started, but I don't think anyone has ever made any official information about that public. Last I saw SOE was still making patches, would they be doing that if shut down was imminent?
EQ1 had the most complex crafting system pre-pop. Requiring a myriad of ingrediants and without anything ingame to tell you what they were. Originally, if you got the recipe wrong it even ate them. I doubt we will ever see anything like this again.
try final fantasy XI
Personnally I like the idea of adding a level of "pain in the *ss" to crafting. It keeps non crafters from maxing everything like they do in wow. This is also true of Vanguard. Not being able to invest 100g and master the trade in 30 minutes is a good thing. EQ2 system at launch actually required you to pay attention and learn to do it. It has since been dumbed down.
Horizons is got a great crafting system, just no real economy for it. Horizons is my second favorite game due to the complexity of it. Building plots of land, the detail that it took, even if the graphics are laggy, was amazing. No one else I guess does that anymore do they? As far as vanguard goes, I'm still on the fence about it. It is alot of clicking, not too complex, just the failures and such make you think more then what WoW or anything else would do. It isn't just click and it is made type, which i do like. I don't know anything about EQ2. I tried the trial about a year or so back and the graphics looked really grainy on my hd monitor on my laptop, so i didn't bother with it. It drove me nuts to be honest. How is the crafting in there? What is it like, and if it is it's own thing, can you describe how the system works for me? Thanks.
For years now I been looking for a game with good crafting system but as the games become more and more gear dependent and crafting is nothing more then small fillers and money sinks.
It's not connected to adventure levels. Unlike VG you have to have the mats to complete the work orders you get, so you'll either need to harvest or buy what you need; wich means you'll be harvesting.
You have skills just like combat skills for crafting. You use the skills to counter negetive effects that occur in the crafting process, and to improve the durability or increase progress. Some skills will help one thing but hurt another and cost energy to use; so you have to make sure you don't run out of energy and use the appropriate skill depending upon how the work is going. It's not overly complicated, but it's not overly simple either.
People will buy master crafted gear. Provisioners are especially handy.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Hows the crafting in Wurm?
Also I heard that a new server will be opened soon , so it's the best way to start on a fresh server but till then , try the trial .
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Isnt Eve Coming Out with Expansion in the Summer? I play it also might want to stick around in EVE for a bit longer new stuff Ive heard on the horizion.
Star Wars Galaxies used to have a great crafting system but not since the NGE was implemented so I would NOT recommend that game unless you want to be ripped off......