OP wrote: "Sick of new gamers who think their old school"
I'm sick of gamers who don't know the difference between "there," "their," and "they're." Perhaps they should cut back on the gaming and hit the books a bit harder. That is, unless they won't mind working at McDonald's their entire life.
My two copper, Oy.
Took the words right out of my mouth
Also I'm glad that the starter of the threat recognizes himself as an "oldschool" player because he has played since the beginning of WoW. WOW MAN.. That right there is impressive AND oldschool... (-that was sarcasm-)
Do not think you can count MUD's they are a different form of gaming. If you want to use MUD's then you have to use pnp players before that as old school. I think it starts with UO for the current MMORPG world.
Yeah, much better! Better story; better gamplay; and god zillion NON GRINDING quests !
My first computer was a KIT BUILD Timex-Sinclair in 1983. Back then we didn't even have floppies, it was a damn tape drive. It wasn't until I got a 286 could I play this stack of 5.25" floppy games.
The thing is the OP associated "old skool" with being a player of a game from the start. I didn't play Deus Ex from the start (my most precious cat was dying and had no time to even care), but no one will say I'm not a very dyed-in-the-wool DX fan. It goes for any player, just because they played later doesn't mean some so-called beta tester who played for a month; left; came back 6 months later; left.................. is any better than someone who played the game for 6 months straight!
What counts is your depth of knowledge of the game you love, and understanding how/what/when/where/why the game became what it became -- and never left it!!
Sick of posters on MMORPG.com who don't know which version of the word "there" to use.
ps: "they're"
pps. stop being such an elitist...I've been playing MMO's since everquest and I couldn't care less if somebody came into MMO's after the Burning Crusade and now thinks they know everything..why would that bother me?
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Originally posted by UNATCOII The thing is the OP associated "old skool" with being a player of a game from the start. I didn't play Deus Ex from the start (my most precious cat was dying and had no time to even care), but no one will say I'm not a very dyed-in-the-wool DX fan. It goes for any player, just because they played later doesn't mean some so-called beta tester who played for a month; left; came back 6 months later; left.................. is any better than someone who played the game for 6 months straight! What counts is your depth of knowledge of the game you love, and understanding how/what/when/where/why the game became what it became -- and never left it!!
If you didn't play EQ from the start, you couldn't know what game EQ was, because $$$OE completely destroyed it after a few expansions, so the time frame is important.
I am almost always the last poster of a thread just noticed this never posted about it before but since i am posting about that fact now someone might respond to it. I guess I was just born with total thread killing power.
I am almost always the last poster of a thread just noticed this never posted about it before but since i am posting about that fact now someone might respond to it. I guess I was just born with total thread killing power.
Just posting to say I agree with the OP, and if that makes me an elitist A-hole in the eyes of some people here, then I welcome the title. More importantly I'm posting so this guy above me can break his cycle of killing threads.
OP wrote: "Sick of new gamers who think their old school"
I'm sick of gamers who don't know the difference between "there," "their," and "they're." Perhaps they should cut back on the gaming and hit the books a bit harder. That is, unless they won't mind working at McDonald's their entire life.
My two copper, Oy.
Since we're on the subject of being sick of things.. I am very sick of the grammar police and their nazi rules about language. If it was up to them, we'd all still be speaking monkey-caveman (grunt grunt ugh ooga booga grunt grunt!) to each other, because according to them language is a static thing that has to follow set rules and never changes, instead of say.. the evolving thing language actually is. In other words, if popular use within a social group of "there, their and they're" is not the same as some dusty old book's version of it.. welcome to how language works. I blame the education system.
And then there are people who take the stance that if you're english is not 100%, you are somehow stupid or retarded, and nevermind that say.. english is not the most common language on the planet, and its just as likely the person writing something with typos might be some genius who only speaks mandarin or japanese or some such, and you'll look like a moron for dissing on them for bad english
Slow down gym shoe!!
This isn't a case of grammar nazis getting bent over the improper use of a semicolon. This is about the fact that you apparently don't understand the fact that they're = they are while their is a possessive pronoun.
With this in mind, you are saying that "old school" belongs to "new gamers"... who think? I just doesn't make any sense unless you say it out loud and can actually hear the way it sounds. Written language is somewhat different than spoken language.
If one is really to consider themselves an old school type mmorpg type person, they should really have started back in the days of the MUD (dikumud, ambermuds, etc...), MUDs definitely were the forefathers of the modern day MMORPG. They may have not been graphical, but they did have all the PvE and PvP elements that were brought forward into the modern MMO. I started back in around 92/93 on a mud called 'mudde pathetique' now called 'Zee MUD', and it still exists and runs... damn!
My experience goes back quite a ways. Even still, I think that the best gaming occurred between 1990 and 1996. The arcades were awash in fighting games, and both the SNES and Genesis were large and in charge. I don't think that I'll ever see another time in gaming like that.... <sigh>
I don't really think that being "olde skool" makes me any better or worse than anyone else in the hobby. I do believe that it sets my expectations of what makes a good game VERY distant from most modern gamers though.
Old school is more of an attitude toward what something is based on the defining factors at a previous point in time. Music, movies, comic books, games, what have you, change in style and tone as time goes on. The style and tone you grew up or, in my case, came into adulthood with will probably set your expectations and put you into contrast with anything that comes after that.
Wow walk away for a few hours, and the thread blows up. lol
You caught a grammatical error. You win the internet.
Anyway my point was I'm tired of people saying 'OMG housing is like a hardcore gamer thing! It took so much time to manage your house in UO! That's why they don't put housing in new games!'. That's total bullsh**, and anyone who ever played UO knows it. It cost about 44k to buy a small house back in the day, which maybe took about 2 weeks to farm for (playing about 20 hours a week). You then just bought the deed, double clicked it, and presto you have a house.
1. Stop referencing mechanics like you played them. You screw it up anyway, and then those who have never played it, who also can't figure for themselves if you are right or not because they haven't played it, just take your word as fact.
2. Stop the slippery slope on the f'in casual time definition. It used to be 20 hours a week. Then it was 10. Now it's 5? Soon will it be 10 minutes? OMG I can't down T5 raid bosses playing 10 minutes a week! F U HARDCORES! lol
I'm just sick of what I've been seeing since about a year or two back. The industry has undergone a cycle of being dumbed down and watered down. But still people want even more f'in easy buttons than they already have!?
The industry at one point was about making virtual worlds with working economies and living areas, castles even in some MMOs, but I guess most gamers would rather just have a 3000 player halo game.
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Actually, I think most people want the challenge, but not the complexity.
I want to be engaged every second that I'm playing a game. I don't think that locking my eyes on the hotbar and spamming buttons when the cool down timer hits zero is engaging, sorry. Likewise, watching my character heal isn't exactly pulse pounding excitement. Crafting has always been about as much fun as doing my taxes and min / maxing your gear is only good for those that find shopping to be "thrilling." Guess that explains why so many women play MMOs as compared to other genres like RTS and FPS....
Steamlined doesn't mean "dumbed down." Give me the ability to interact with the game intuitively and make the actual game with enough depth to keep me there. On that note, depth does not mean that the game should be needlessly obtuse or buried under content that only affects the stats being thrown around and not the gameplay itself.
See what I mean about how being old school separates your expectations from everyone else?
Just because someone like myself didn't join this website untill around 2006 or something doesn't mean we're not old school players. I like another poster in this thread before me, have been around since the commodore 64, texas instruments 994/a, apple ii days of gaming. I never got into mud's, but I did do alot of surfing pre internet on old bulletin boards via my commodore 64.
Been playing mmorpg's since UO after they added trammell. I was too carebearish to ever try the hardcore UO where the player killers ran rampant. UO and Age of Empires was the reason I got back into computer gaming instead of console gaming.
Yeah I bought into the nintendo, super nintendo, sega saturn, playstation consoles before I got tired of buying new systems every two years or so. I'd much rather have a computer that can do so much more than just game play. I almost forgot the atari 2600 I've still got in my garage lol.
I hardly play anything anymore. Nothing peaks my interests like games used to do. Only looking forward to a few games coming out for the pc this year.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
Old school is more of an attitude toward what something is based on the defining factors at a previous point in time. Music, movies, comic books, games, what have you, change in style and tone as time goes on. The style and tone you grew up or, in my case, came into adulthood with will probably set your expectations and put you into contrast with anything that comes after that.
I started playing EQ1 and UO at launch. A couple of things to say here. This post turned out longer than I thought, the short version is this:
To be Old School is not only to have been around at the Launch of EQ/UO, but to place value in the Written Language and think that the way those games were at launch, is better than what is currently available to play (the games, not the people).
First, Old School belongs to the older generations. Sure, I was around at launch of the genre, but I can not say that I am Old School. To be Old School is to be committed to traditional ideas or practices. Those words fail to describe most of my generation. To further this, the demographics of MMORPGs point to a heavy portion being part of my generation (Generation Y 1980-1993). Old School is used to refer to a time of perceived higher standards or level of craft. My generation is about progress, and does not perceive the birth of the genre as having a higher standard or level of craft.
To be an Old School MMORPG player, you need to both have been around at the birth of the genre, AND be a part of a generation capable of attaching higher value to the way things used to be as compared to how they are now. I would say some of Generation X, Most of the Baby Boomers, and all of the Builders have the capability of falling into this category.
Onto a second side topic that has posted up, language. Again, this has a Generation Divide. Sure, traditionally written language was valued and done properly. Most communication was done verbally (and thus slang and shortcuts were allowed). Today, that is not the case. I probably communicate more through email and text than I do in person or on the phone. For my generation, the spoken language is just as dynamic as the written one is.
Communication is the exchange of thoughts, messages, or information, as by speech, signals, writing, or behavior. If I say their better than them, to most people I have effectively communicated a thought. To an older generation, I have also communicated a lack of attention to detail, or inability to use proper english. To my generation, who cares? LoL, WTF?, TTyL and don't be a h8r. It is the same as calling you a newb. Slang, shortcuts, and not paying attention to the details of how words are used have entered text communications the same way that they have always been a part of verbal communication.
To look down on someone because they did not use proper english during written communication is now the same as looking down on someone because they used slang or did not use proper english during verbal communication. If you are someone who looks down on people because of this, you are Old School.
i see alot of old games mention here some i know and played some i wished and some all i can think is wow am i that old and was around during those time, but the one online game that aol did years ago was neverwinter nights based on the gold box style of game, how maney remaber that online game and not the newer one that atari did.
My gaming exp goes back about 27 years (as I am 32 y/o) but the earliest MMO I had played would be the first beta I got into for Ultima Online which I think was about 12 years ago.
Don't confuse a players ability, with a class being Over Powered.
If you want to discuss stuff with Old Schoolers set up an Old School forum and take off. My God what a boring community that would be.
One example for me is the posters who write "If they set up a pre Tramel UO shard I'd return". Clearly Old Schooler stuff but if Trammel was not created then UO would have died there and then. What brought Trammel in was the incessant ganking of noobs by GM's. It did not occur early on because people were gaining xp and generally having fun- xp gainwas a tough ask in the early days.
However when more and more people were maxing out, ganking/pking was the name of the game. Hence the non pvp shard requirement. If you want to play hardcore UO play in Felucca however I would bet most of the Old Schoolers wouldnt survive there as there are not many noobs to prey on.
Old Schooler does not necesarily mean hardcore nor even good gamer.
UO has its longevity because of the skilled development through time. I still have an account and it is still a blast.
My point is Old Schoolers dont have any more valid opinion than a new gamer and from my example are just as able to spout a load of crap as anyone else.
Everyone can have a valid point irrespective of when they enter a game.
The arrogance of the OP beggars belief. If you want to discuss stuff with Old Schoolers set up an Old School forum and take off. My God what a boring community that would be. One example for me is the posters who write "If they set up a pre Tramel UO shard I'd return". Clearly Old Schooler stuff but if Trammel was not created then UO would have died there and then. What brought Trammel in was the incessant ganking of noobs by GM's. It did not occur early on because people were gaining xp and generally having fun- xp gainwas a tough ask in the early days. However when more and more people were maxing out, ganking/pking was the name of the game. Hence the non pvp shard requirement. If you want to play hardcore UO play in Felucca however I would bet most of the Old Schoolers wouldnt survive there as there are not many noobs to prey on. Old Schooler does not necesarily mean hardcore nor even good gamer. UO has its longevity because of the skilled development through time. I still have an account and it is still a blast. My point is Old Schoolers dont have any more valid opinion than a new gamer and from my example are just as able to spout a load of crap as anyone else. Everyone can have a valid point irrespective of when they enter a game.
Don't confuse a players ability, with a class being Over Powered.
Originally posted by nethervoid Seriously. Gamers who've played since WoW but think they know everything there is to know about the industry. Act like they've played all the games that have ever came out because they logged in once 8 years after the game went gold. You weren't there when it came out; therefore, please STFU about game mechanics you've never experienced. Housing is NOT a hardcore only activity. Raiding is NOT a hardcore only activity. Crafting as a profession is NOT a hardcore activity. Developers are making multiplayer versions of single player games and calling them MMOs because that's what the new gamers want; NOT because it's what is casual friendly. If you weren't there to play within at least the first six months of a game, just STFU, sit back, and let the old schoolers discuss old school sh**. Don't talk like you've played it when it was prime. Cause we all know you didn't.
So basically you're mad about the new patch and blame the newbies for it. Cry some more boohoo. If you think WoW is hardcore in general you need help. One day you will grow up and realize everyone has the right to their opinion.
And some Jeff Foxworthy type of humor: If you thought WoW was the first MMO ever to come, you might be a noob.
If you thought before WoW came out that computers were paper weights, you might be a noob.
If you thought a mouse was nothing more than a rodent, you might be a noob.
If you thought the keyboard was an instrument, you might be a noob.
If you thought the monitor was a screen you order fast food from, you might be a noob.
If you thought EB Games was a sex shop, you might be a noob.
If you thought a harddrive was a form of viagra, you might be a noob.
If you thought RAM was an acronym for what you do with your wife/gf, you might be a noob.
If you thought the motherboard was a your mom's washing board, you might be a noob.
If you thought the modem was a type of a buttplug, you might be a noob.
If you thought the net was a device to catch fish, you might be a noob.
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Communication isn't about spelling or any particular medium, so if you say stuff and can't fracking spell, and I am unable to understand.. its up to me to ask for clarification isn't it? Then again most oldschoolers can read typoese without thinking about it
It is if you're in a text-based environment like... oh... THIS ONE! Besides, we're not talking about typos, we're talking about people who are functionally illiterate.
Do not think you can count MUD's they are a different form of gaming. If you want to use MUD's then you have to use pnp players before that as old school. I think it starts with UO for the current MMORPG world.
See, I would count PnP and MUDs, They are the grandfathers of what grew up to be the MMORPG. Sure its like comparing the Model-T to todays Mustangs, but it was still a car none the less.
A gamer is a gamer no matter the medium they started in in my opinion.
Now if they were talking about just from the start of the graphical MMOs, then I would discount many MUDs and all PnP games. Some MUDs did use a form of graphics.
I think the dynamic of character interaction changed with graphical MMO's. MUDs and PnP you rely on the people you are with to create the experience, while in graphical ones you rely more on the makers of the game to create the environment. Well that is my opinion.
Pong, Dungeons and Dragons, that's my idea of old school.
To the guy who thinks WoW isn't Hardcore......
What an idiot.
There are millions of extremely hardcore WoW players. A game is as hardcore as you take it.
Just because a game can be played casually, does not mean that it cannot be played hardcore. Just because a game is played casually, does not mean it is not hardcore.
There are hardcore chess games out there. Football can be played about as hardcore as any game on the planet. And yet it is the most casually played game in the world.
Simple little games. As hardcore as any the world knows.
What about that Korean guy who died playing Starcraft? Was he hardcore? is Starcraft a hardcore game?
It's simpler and more accessable than WoW.
Having a poorly made game with a stupidly implemented learning curve doesn't make it hardcore. It just makes it low quality.
To the guy who thinks WoW isn't Hardcore...... What an absolute cool dude, I want his babies.
Fixed it for you , I know what you ment .
Hardcore chess games! Can you jump up and kick someone in the face? Nope, not hardcore then is it.
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Also I'm glad that the starter of the threat recognizes himself as an "oldschool" player because he has played since the beginning of WoW. WOW MAN.. That right there is impressive AND oldschool... (-that was sarcasm-)
Yeah, much better! Better story; better gamplay; and god zillion NON GRINDING quests !
My first computer was a KIT BUILD Timex-Sinclair in 1983. Back then we didn't even have floppies, it was a damn tape drive. It wasn't until I got a 286 could I play this stack of 5.25" floppy games.
The thing is the OP associated "old skool" with being a player of a game from the start. I didn't play Deus Ex from the start (my most precious cat was dying and had no time to even care), but no one will say I'm not a very dyed-in-the-wool DX fan. It goes for any player, just because they played later doesn't mean some so-called beta tester who played for a month; left; came back 6 months later; left.................. is any better than someone who played the game for 6 months straight!
What counts is your depth of knowledge of the game you love, and understanding how/what/when/where/why the game became what it became -- and never left it!!
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Sick of posters on MMORPG.com who don't know which version of the word "there" to use.
ps: "they're"
pps. stop being such an elitist...I've been playing MMO's since everquest and I couldn't care less if somebody came into MMO's after the Burning Crusade and now thinks they know everything..why would that bother me?
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
If you didn't play EQ from the start, you couldn't know what game EQ was, because $$$OE completely destroyed it after a few expansions, so the time frame is important.
I am almost always the last poster of a thread just noticed this never posted about it before but since i am posting about that fact now someone might respond to it. I guess I was just born with total thread killing power.
Just posting to say I agree with the OP, and if that makes me an elitist A-hole in the eyes of some people here, then I welcome the title. More importantly I'm posting so this guy above me can break his cycle of killing threads.
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Since we're on the subject of being sick of things.. I am very sick of the grammar police and their nazi rules about language. If it was up to them, we'd all still be speaking monkey-caveman (grunt grunt ugh ooga booga grunt grunt!) to each other, because according to them language is a static thing that has to follow set rules and never changes, instead of say.. the evolving thing language actually is. In other words, if popular use within a social group of "there, their and they're" is not the same as some dusty old book's version of it.. welcome to how language works. I blame the education system.
And then there are people who take the stance that if you're english is not 100%, you are somehow stupid or retarded, and nevermind that say.. english is not the most common language on the planet, and its just as likely the person writing something with typos might be some genius who only speaks mandarin or japanese or some such, and you'll look like a moron for dissing on them for bad english
Slow down gym shoe!!
This isn't a case of grammar nazis getting bent over the improper use of a semicolon. This is about the fact that you apparently don't understand the fact that they're = they are while their is a possessive pronoun.
With this in mind, you are saying that "old school" belongs to "new gamers"... who think? I just doesn't make any sense unless you say it out loud and can actually hear the way it sounds. Written language is somewhat different than spoken language.
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If one is really to consider themselves an old school type mmorpg type person, they should really have started back in the days of the MUD (dikumud, ambermuds, etc...), MUDs definitely were the forefathers of the modern day MMORPG. They may have not been graphical, but they did have all the PvE and PvP elements that were brought forward into the modern MMO. I started back in around 92/93 on a mud called 'mudde pathetique' now called 'Zee MUD', and it still exists and runs... damn!
BTW, I'm old school...
My experience goes back quite a ways. Even still, I think that the best gaming occurred between 1990 and 1996. The arcades were awash in fighting games, and both the SNES and Genesis were large and in charge. I don't think that I'll ever see another time in gaming like that.... <sigh>
I don't really think that being "olde skool" makes me any better or worse than anyone else in the hobby. I do believe that it sets my expectations of what makes a good game VERY distant from most modern gamers though.
Old school is more of an attitude toward what something is based on the defining factors at a previous point in time. Music, movies, comic books, games, what have you, change in style and tone as time goes on. The style and tone you grew up or, in my case, came into adulthood with will probably set your expectations and put you into contrast with anything that comes after that.
Wow walk away for a few hours, and the thread blows up. lol
You caught a grammatical error. You win the internet.
Anyway my point was I'm tired of people saying 'OMG housing is like a hardcore gamer thing! It took so much time to manage your house in UO! That's why they don't put housing in new games!'. That's total bullsh**, and anyone who ever played UO knows it. It cost about 44k to buy a small house back in the day, which maybe took about 2 weeks to farm for (playing about 20 hours a week). You then just bought the deed, double clicked it, and presto you have a house.
1. Stop referencing mechanics like you played them. You screw it up anyway, and then those who have never played it, who also can't figure for themselves if you are right or not because they haven't played it, just take your word as fact.
2. Stop the slippery slope on the f'in casual time definition. It used to be 20 hours a week. Then it was 10. Now it's 5? Soon will it be 10 minutes? OMG I can't down T5 raid bosses playing 10 minutes a week! F U HARDCORES! lol
I'm just sick of what I've been seeing since about a year or two back. The industry has undergone a cycle of being dumbed down and watered down. But still people want even more f'in easy buttons than they already have!?
The industry at one point was about making virtual worlds with working economies and living areas, castles even in some MMOs, but I guess most gamers would rather just have a 3000 player halo game.
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i still don't see how people think WoW is all that.
anyone remember the feign death and moose experience? yawn
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that's why people kill their baby's
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Actually, I think most people want the challenge, but not the complexity.
I want to be engaged every second that I'm playing a game. I don't think that locking my eyes on the hotbar and spamming buttons when the cool down timer hits zero is engaging, sorry. Likewise, watching my character heal isn't exactly pulse pounding excitement. Crafting has always been about as much fun as doing my taxes and min / maxing your gear is only good for those that find shopping to be "thrilling." Guess that explains why so many women play MMOs as compared to other genres like RTS and FPS....
Steamlined doesn't mean "dumbed down." Give me the ability to interact with the game intuitively and make the actual game with enough depth to keep me there. On that note, depth does not mean that the game should be needlessly obtuse or buried under content that only affects the stats being thrown around and not the gameplay itself.
See what I mean about how being old school separates your expectations from everyone else?
Just because someone like myself didn't join this website untill around 2006 or something doesn't mean we're not old school players. I like another poster in this thread before me, have been around since the commodore 64, texas instruments 994/a, apple ii days of gaming. I never got into mud's, but I did do alot of surfing pre internet on old bulletin boards via my commodore 64.
Been playing mmorpg's since UO after they added trammell. I was too carebearish to ever try the hardcore UO where the player killers ran rampant. UO and Age of Empires was the reason I got back into computer gaming instead of console gaming.
Yeah I bought into the nintendo, super nintendo, sega saturn, playstation consoles before I got tired of buying new systems every two years or so. I'd much rather have a computer that can do so much more than just game play. I almost forgot the atari 2600 I've still got in my garage lol.
I hardly play anything anymore. Nothing peaks my interests like games used to do. Only looking forward to a few games coming out for the pc this year.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
People flaunting their Joined date...
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who would do such a thing?!?!
Thats just eltist and wrong.
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after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
I started playing EQ1 and UO at launch. A couple of things to say here. This post turned out longer than I thought, the short version is this:
To be Old School is not only to have been around at the Launch of EQ/UO, but to place value in the Written Language and think that the way those games were at launch, is better than what is currently available to play (the games, not the people).
First, Old School belongs to the older generations. Sure, I was around at launch of the genre, but I can not say that I am Old School. To be Old School is to be committed to traditional ideas or practices. Those words fail to describe most of my generation. To further this, the demographics of MMORPGs point to a heavy portion being part of my generation (Generation Y 1980-1993). Old School is used to refer to a time of perceived higher standards or level of craft. My generation is about progress, and does not perceive the birth of the genre as having a higher standard or level of craft.
To be an Old School MMORPG player, you need to both have been around at the birth of the genre, AND be a part of a generation capable of attaching higher value to the way things used to be as compared to how they are now. I would say some of Generation X, Most of the Baby Boomers, and all of the Builders have the capability of falling into this category.
Onto a second side topic that has posted up, language. Again, this has a Generation Divide. Sure, traditionally written language was valued and done properly. Most communication was done verbally (and thus slang and shortcuts were allowed). Today, that is not the case. I probably communicate more through email and text than I do in person or on the phone. For my generation, the spoken language is just as dynamic as the written one is.
Communication is the exchange of thoughts, messages, or information, as by speech, signals, writing, or behavior. If I say their better than them, to most people I have effectively communicated a thought. To an older generation, I have also communicated a lack of attention to detail, or inability to use proper english. To my generation, who cares? LoL, WTF?, TTyL and don't be a h8r. It is the same as calling you a newb. Slang, shortcuts, and not paying attention to the details of how words are used have entered text communications the same way that they have always been a part of verbal communication.
To look down on someone because they did not use proper english during written communication is now the same as looking down on someone because they used slang or did not use proper english during verbal communication. If you are someone who looks down on people because of this, you are Old School.
i see alot of old games mention here some i know and played some i wished and some all i can think is wow am i that old and was around during those time, but the one online game that aol did years ago was neverwinter nights based on the gold box style of game, how maney remaber that online game and not the newer one that atari did.
My gaming exp goes back about 27 years (as I am 32 y/o) but the earliest MMO I had played would be the first beta I got into for Ultima Online which I think was about 12 years ago.
Don't confuse a players ability, with a class being Over Powered.
-T
The arrogance of the OP beggars belief.
If you want to discuss stuff with Old Schoolers set up an Old School forum and take off. My God what a boring community that would be.
One example for me is the posters who write "If they set up a pre Tramel UO shard I'd return". Clearly Old Schooler stuff but if Trammel was not created then UO would have died there and then. What brought Trammel in was the incessant ganking of noobs by GM's. It did not occur early on because people were gaining xp and generally having fun- xp gainwas a tough ask in the early days.
However when more and more people were maxing out, ganking/pking was the name of the game. Hence the non pvp shard requirement. If you want to play hardcore UO play in Felucca however I would bet most of the Old Schoolers wouldnt survive there as there are not many noobs to prey on.
Old Schooler does not necesarily mean hardcore nor even good gamer.
UO has its longevity because of the skilled development through time. I still have an account and it is still a blast.
My point is Old Schoolers dont have any more valid opinion than a new gamer and from my example are just as able to spout a load of crap as anyone else.
Everyone can have a valid point irrespective of when they enter a game.
Don't confuse a players ability, with a class being Over Powered.
-T
So basically you're mad about the new patch and blame the newbies for it. Cry some more boohoo. If you think WoW is hardcore in general you need help. One day you will grow up and realize everyone has the right to their opinion.
And some Jeff Foxworthy type of humor:
If you thought WoW was the first MMO ever to come, you might be a noob.
If you thought before WoW came out that computers were paper weights, you might be a noob.
If you thought a mouse was nothing more than a rodent, you might be a noob.
If you thought the keyboard was an instrument, you might be a noob.
If you thought the monitor was a screen you order fast food from, you might be a noob.
If you thought EB Games was a sex shop, you might be a noob.
If you thought a harddrive was a form of viagra, you might be a noob.
If you thought RAM was an acronym for what you do with your wife/gf, you might be a noob.
If you thought the motherboard was a your mom's washing board, you might be a noob.
If you thought the modem was a type of a buttplug, you might be a noob.
If you thought the net was a device to catch fish, you might be a noob.
Played: UO, EQ, WoW, DDO, SWG, AO, CoH, EvE, TR, AoC, GW, GA, Aion, Allods, lots more
Relatively Recently (Re)Played: HL2 (all), Halo (PC, all), Batman:AA; AC, ME, BS, DA, FO3, DS, Doom (all), LFD1&2, KOTOR, Portal 1&2, Blink, Elder Scrolls (all), lots more
Now Playing: None
Hope: None
A gamer is a gamer no matter the medium they started in in my opinion.
Now if they were talking about just from the start of the graphical MMOs, then I would discount many MUDs and all PnP games. Some MUDs did use a form of graphics.
I think the dynamic of character interaction changed with graphical MMO's. MUDs and PnP you rely on the people you are with to create the experience, while in graphical ones you rely more on the makers of the game to create the environment. Well that is my opinion.
I don't really consider MMO's old school at all.
Pong, Dungeons and Dragons, that's my idea of old school.
To the guy who thinks WoW isn't Hardcore......
What an idiot.
There are millions of extremely hardcore WoW players. A game is as hardcore as you take it.
Just because a game can be played casually, does not mean that it cannot be played hardcore. Just because a game is played casually, does not mean it is not hardcore.
There are hardcore chess games out there. Football can be played about as hardcore as any game on the planet. And yet it is the most casually played game in the world.
Simple little games. As hardcore as any the world knows.
What about that Korean guy who died playing Starcraft? Was he hardcore? is Starcraft a hardcore game?
It's simpler and more accessable than WoW.
Having a poorly made game with a stupidly implemented learning curve doesn't make it hardcore. It just makes it low quality.
Fixed it for you
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Hardcore chess games! Can you jump up and kick someone in the face? Nope, not hardcore then is it.
almost got a year on me xD
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