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AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857

 Hot on the heels of his explanation for why he no longer wears a flag pin,

 presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was forced to explain why he

 doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.



 According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171,

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present

 except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag

 with the right hand over the heart.



 'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking

sides,' Obama said. 'There are a lot of people in the world to whom the

American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a

war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should

be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song

'I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might

 salute it.'

Wait a minute, did he just infer that between various world groups and America, he'll always be sitting on the fence? There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting to avoid pissing off absolutely everyone else, but still.

As to his um, choice of potential new anthem, I thought we were trying to RAISE our credibility in the world, not snip off the last dangling thread.

The flag pin wasn't worth two seconds of media time, and I'd have bought not saluting if he'd had a good reason for it, but the above simply doesn't cut it.

 

EDIT: false info, scroll down.

No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway

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  • fizzle322fizzle322 Member Posts: 723

     

    Obama is scum.

    We don't need troops in Iraq, we need them here in America to purge the traitors and fifth-columnists in our midst.

  • outfctrloutfctrl Member UncommonPosts: 3,619

    Obama scares me.  As I see it...he only has one thing going for him.

    He knows how to address women.

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  • pyrofreakpyrofreak Member UncommonPosts: 1,481
    Originally posted by Aelfinn


     Hot on the heels of his explanation for why he no longer wears a flag pin,

     presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was forced to explain why he

     doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.



     According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171,

    During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present

     except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag

     with the right hand over the heart.



     'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking

    sides,' Obama said. 'There are a lot of people in the world to whom the

    American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a

    war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should

    be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song

    'I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might

     salute it.'

    Wait a minute, did he just infer that between various world groups and America, he'll always be sitting on the fence? There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting to avoid pissing off absolutely everyone else, but still.
    As to his um, choice of potential new anthem, I thought we were trying to RAISE our credibility in the world, not snip off the last dangling thread.
    The flag pin wasn't worth two seconds of media time, and I'd have bought not saluting if he'd had a good reason for it, but the above simply doesn't cut it.

    Any chance I can get the source on this?

    Now with 57.3% more flames!

  • outfctrloutfctrl Member UncommonPosts: 3,619

    Originally posted by pyrofreak

    Originally posted by Aelfinn


     Hot on the heels of his explanation for why he no longer wears a flag pin,

     presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was forced to explain why he

     doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.



     According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171,

    During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present

     except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag

     with the right hand over the heart.



     'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking

    sides,' Obama said. 'There are a lot of people in the world to whom the

    American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a

    war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should

    be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song

    'I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might

     salute it.'

    Wait a minute, did he just infer that between various world groups and America, he'll always be sitting on the fence? There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting to avoid pissing off absolutely everyone else, but still.
    As to his um, choice of potential new anthem, I thought we were trying to RAISE our credibility in the world, not snip off the last dangling thread.
    The flag pin wasn't worth two seconds of media time, and I'd have bought not saluting if he'd had a good reason for it, but the above simply doesn't cut it.

    Any chance I can get the source on this?


    Here is your source...LOL--->  Link

     

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  • pyrofreakpyrofreak Member UncommonPosts: 1,481

    Heh, that's exactly why I wanted the source.

    Now with 57.3% more flames!

  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857

    ...

    Damnit, my apologies. I had trusted my friend to have verified this.

    No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
    Hemingway

  • outfctrloutfctrl Member UncommonPosts: 3,619

    Originally posted by Aelfinn


    ...
    Damnit, my apologies. I had trusted my friend to have verified this.
    No big deal. 

    I get so many of these emails at work.  It is a little hobby of mine.  I check everything.

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  • Par-SalianPar-Salian Member Posts: 284

    Originally posted by outfctrl


     
    Originally posted by Aelfinn


    ...
    Damnit, my apologies. I had trusted my friend to have verified this.
    No big deal. 

     

    I get so many of these emails at work.  It is a little hobby of mine.  I check everything.

    Same here.  I'm constantly bombarded with emails and posting on various blogs with some pretty outlandish claims.  I've gotten to the point where I verify everything.

  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306

    Originally posted by Aelfinn


    ...
    Damnit, my apologies. I had trusted my friend to have verified this.
    Heh, don't bother taking it down or anything.

     

    Registered republican I take it?

  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918
    Originally posted by DailyBuzz


     
    Originally posted by Aelfinn


    ...
    Damnit, my apologies. I had trusted my friend to have verified this.
    Heh, don't bother taking it down or anything.

     

     

    Registered republican I take it?



    As though a democrat has never printed or said anything without a credible source and then been forced to print a retraction later...at least Aelfin had the balls to admit his mistake and move on without giving some half assed apology.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306
    Originally posted by Draenor


    As though a democrat has never printed or said anything without a credible source and then been forced to print a retraction later...at least Aelfin had the balls to admit his mistake and move on without giving some half assed apology.

    A retraction letter works great if you lack the power to remove the false information altogether. My point is he could have simply erased the false allegations, but he chose to leave them up.

  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918

    Originally posted by DailyBuzz

    Originally posted by Draenor


    As though a democrat has never printed or said anything without a credible source and then been forced to print a retraction later...at least Aelfin had the balls to admit his mistake and move on without giving some half assed apology.

    A retraction letter works great if you lack the power to remove the false information altogether. My point is he could have simply erased the false allegations, but he chose to leave them up.

    That was not your point, as anyone who read your post could see that you were simply trying to discredit him further, as well as take a jab at republicans at large.

    In any case, yes, he could erase the origional post, but then it would only cover up his mistake and he would have taken the easy way out...it takes a much bigger man to admit his mistake and then allow others to see that mistake than it does someone who quickly covers up that mistake and acts as though it never happened.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306
    Originally posted by Draenor


     
    That was not your point, as anyone who read your post could see that you were simply trying to discredit him further, as well as take a jab at republicans at large.
    I was pointing out how he had further discredited himself. Let's break it down:


    1. The OP posts something without checking the source.

    2. Someone asks for the source

    3. The source is proven to be false information, and the OP is discredited

    4. He acknowledges the source is false, yet leaves the false information, FURTHER discrediting himself

    5. I acknowledge his second blunder
     
    In any case, yes, he could erase the origional post, but then it would only cover up his mistake and he would have taken the easy way out...it takes a much bigger man to admit his mistake and then allow others to see that mistake than it does someone who quickly covers up that mistake and acts as though it never happened.


    Registered republican, I take it?

     

  • RajaiRajai Member UncommonPosts: 331

    I sympathize for the GOP, after the last two presidencies they have nothing left to offer but to play on the fears of the sheeples



    The war? oh we'll win it in the next 4 years just like the last two times we were gonna have it completed in the next two years..



    They'll welcome us as liberators remember?



    the economy's fine nothing to see here folks move along

    I guess we could do something about the economy

    I'll try and work around my record vacation time



    hurricane Katrina? let's give it a week it'll all sort out by then





    I stole this from some website

    wonkette.com/390191/president-bush-gives-up-golf-for-iraq

    Trump 2016

  • RajaiRajai Member UncommonPosts: 331

    Edit: Deleted

    sorry for derailing the thread :)

    Trump 2016

  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857

    Daily, as Draenor said, (thanks for the support by the way) I don't believe in erasing mistakes. Anyone interested in what happened here can scroll down just a few inches and see for themselves. This isn't the first mistake I've made on these forums, and it probably won't be the last, but wiping the post doesn't change what already happened.

    If it makes you feel better, I've edited it so that even those not bothering to read the followup should pay attention.

    P.S. While a majority of my political views coincide with Conservative/Republican agendas, I am unaffiliated and have no issues with voting for any party depending upon candidate options.

    No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
    Hemingway

  • //\//\oo//\//\oo Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,767

    They should make every candidate that wants to become a candidate take a comprehensive exam in economics.. and I don't mean the trivial stuff that every undergrad has to learn.

    Oh, wait, nevermind.. forgot we're in America here

    Yeah, make sure the president is just a mindless speaker that can memorize the shit that some ass writes down for him and signs whatever he is paid to sign as long as it panders to public sentiment...

     

     

     

     

    This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.

  • Varlok91Varlok91 Member Posts: 396

    Originally posted by //\//\oo


    They should make every candidate that wants to become a candidate take a comprehensive exam in economics.. and I don't mean the trivial stuff that every undergrad has to learn.
    Oh, wait, nevermind.. forgot we're in America here
    Yeah, make sure the president is just a mindless speaker that can memorize the shit that some ass writes down for him and signs whatever he is paid to sign as long as it panders to public sentiment...

    There are so many people involved with the economy that the president is not the sole person to blame.

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  • //\//\oo//\//\oo Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,767

    Originally posted by Varlok91


     

     

     

    There are so many people involved with the economy that the president is not the sole person to blame.

     

    How the hell did you infer that? I was talking about QUALIFICATIONS, not blame. Economics is more than just profits, but a quantified view of applied optimization: It's how you use finite resources to get the best results (optimum utility).

    Economics is really what a president should be doing... that is maximizing our welfare....

    Why shouldn't a president be qualified in a science that pertains to his position?

     

    This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.

  • VemoiVemoi Member Posts: 1,546

    Originally posted by //\//\oo


     
    Originally posted by Varlok91


     

     

     

    There are so many people involved with the economy that the president is not the sole person to blame.

     

     

    How the hell did you infer that? I was talking about QUALIFICATIONS, not blame. Economics is more than just profits, but a quantified view of applied optimization: It's how you use finite resources to get the best results (optimum utility).

    Economics is really what a president should be doing... that is maximizing our welfare....

    Why shouldn't a president be qualified in a science that pertains to his position?

     

    And Obama is qualified in economics?  Sure don't sound like it from his socialist rhetoric. And we allready know where Clinton stands.

  • unconformedunconformed Member Posts: 700

     www.youtube.com/watch 

    mccains wife appeals more to my femine side. they should do american idol or something. my vote this cycle is on the wives.

    chips, dips chains & whips.

  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306
    Originally posted by Aelfinn

    Daily, as Draenor said, (thanks for the support by the way) I don't believe in erasing mistakes. Anyone interested in what happened here can scroll down just a few inches and see for themselves. This isn't the first mistake I've made on these forums, and it probably won't be the last, but wiping the post doesn't change what already happened.

    I never said you could erase the mistake, I said you can erase the material. I don't believe in hiding mistakes either, you did more than some would do, in coming on to acknowledge the error. Of course you can't change what has already been done, but you could have prevented it from becoming a larger mistake (and still can). This is what I take issue with.

    If it makes you feel better, I've edited it so that even those not bothering to read the followup should pay attention.

    I don't 'feel' one way or the other about the material itself (the material is bullshit, remember?), it just allows me to place you into that category of people who would rather perpetuate false allegations than do the honorable thing and remove them followed by an apology. Is it too much to ask for someone to LEARN from their mistakes?



    Let's say I came on and posted that McCain turned his back on POWs in Vietnam, gave classified info to communists without being tortured, then failed to support the search for POWs as a US senator. When asked for a source, I was unable to provide one, simply said "oops, sorry", and left the post up. Would this be the right thing to do, in your opinion?

    P.S. While a majority of my political views coincide with Conservative/Republican agendas, I am unaffiliated and have no issues with voting for any party depending upon candidate options.

    So, is it safe for me to assume that Obama doesn't support enough of your conservative/republican agendas? Not that you would post negative false allegations about a conservative/republican, mind you. I think we are assured never to have that debate

     

  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306

    Originally posted by //\//\oo


    They should make every candidate that wants to become a candidate take a comprehensive exam in economics.. and I don't mean the trivial stuff that every undergrad has to learn.
    Well, that would definitely exclude McCain.



    By Sasha Issenberg, Globe Staff


    SALEM, N.H. -- John McCain, who happily volunteers he doesn't know much about economics, turned his attention to the subject today by unveiling a new set of "pro-growth" policies to keep up with a shift in the Republican conversation away from Iraq and terrorism towards domestic concerns.

    "There are more and more questions at the town-hall meetings about the economy," McCain said at an optics manufacturer here before talking about trade and taxes, issues that McCain rarely chooses to highlight on the campaign trail.

    He proposed renewing the current round of tax cuts, altering congressional rules to make future tax increases more difficult, and changing the tax code to encourage investment and entrepreneurship and end the alternative-minimum tax. "To have two tax codes in America is

    not an unacceptable situation," McCain said.

    Yet in remarks the campaign labeled as an "economic plan for American prosperity," McCain turned away repeatedly from macroeconomic policy to reform issues seen as his strengths: controlling federal spending and limiting the role of lobbyists in securing tax loopholes.

    "There's a new emphasis on economic issues on everybody's part," said Charlie Black, a McCain strategist. "The first thing you have to do is let voters know it's a concern to you about economic anxiety."

    McCain stood before a line graph showing the increase of the alternative-minimum tax, a low-budget campaign's alternative to the PowerPoint presentation Mitt Romney uses when talking about economic policy, a subject on McCain has said he feels he unknowledgeable that

    filling the void would be a priority when selecting a vice-presidential nominee.

    Like Mike Huckabee, who joked recently that he "may not be the expert that some people are on foreign policy, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night," McCain suggested to reporters Monday that American consumer culture offered a short cut to expertise. "The issue

    of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should," McCain said. "I've got Greenspan's book."




    Taking a page from the old Bush playbook John? The use of humor to mask inadequacies. Kudos, Mr. McCain, kudos.

  • VemoiVemoi Member Posts: 1,546

    Originally posted by DailyBuzz


     
    Originally posted by //\//\oo


    They should make every candidate that wants to become a candidate take a comprehensive exam in economics.. and I don't mean the trivial stuff that every undergrad has to learn.
    Well, that would definitely exclude McCain.

     




    By Sasha Issenberg, Globe Staff

     

    SALEM, N.H. -- John McCain, who happily volunteers he doesn't know much about economics, turned his attention to the subject today by unveiling a new set of "pro-growth" policies to keep up with a shift in the Republican conversation away from Iraq and terrorism towards domestic concerns.

    "There are more and more questions at the town-hall meetings about the economy," McCain said at an optics manufacturer here before talking about trade and taxes, issues that McCain rarely chooses to highlight on the campaign trail.

    He proposed renewing the current round of tax cuts, altering congressional rules to make future tax increases more difficult, and changing the tax code to encourage investment and entrepreneurship and end the alternative-minimum tax. "To have two tax codes in America is

    not an unacceptable situation," McCain said.

    Yet in remarks the campaign labeled as an "economic plan for American prosperity," McCain turned away repeatedly from macroeconomic policy to reform issues seen as his strengths: controlling federal spending and limiting the role of lobbyists in securing tax loopholes.

    "There's a new emphasis on economic issues on everybody's part," said Charlie Black, a McCain strategist. "The first thing you have to do is let voters know it's a concern to you about economic anxiety."

    McCain stood before a line graph showing the increase of the alternative-minimum tax, a low-budget campaign's alternative to the PowerPoint presentation Mitt Romney uses when talking about economic policy, a subject on McCain has said he feels he unknowledgeable that

    filling the void would be a priority when selecting a vice-presidential nominee.

    Like Mike Huckabee, who joked recently that he "may not be the expert that some people are on foreign policy, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night," McCain suggested to reporters Monday that American consumer culture offered a short cut to expertise. "The issue

    of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should," McCain said. "I've got Greenspan's book."

     


    Taking a page from the old Bush playbook John? The use of humor to mask inadequacies. Kudos, Mr. McCain, kudos.

    We are still waiting for Obama's "bringing us all together" socialist programs. When is he going to start talking about them?! I know....he can't talk about them because he will never get elected if he does.

  • //\//\oo//\//\oo Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,767

     

    Originally posted by Vemoi


     
     
    And Obama is qualified in economics?  Sure don't sound like it from his socialist rhetoric. And we allready know where Clinton stands.

     

     

    Where do you people come from and why do you automatically assume I endorse a candidate?

    I don't endorse ANY of them and I also don't understand this new mental retardation with "focusing on economic issues": THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR JOB, IS IT NOT?

     

    This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.

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