sorry i dont regularly update my signature on game forums =(
Everyone calling you on your BS and you quote that guy. WTTroll...
Calling me on my BS? an opinion on a game that was clearly stated as an opinion that the game will be bad? QFT and GTFO bro, the game will be shit because it will be generic because everything that it's "implementing" has been done 400 times over and stuffed in the ass of each cow that's pre-subscribing for the epic awesome leet pack. the game is bad because it's old before it even came out.
Dude, that's not an opinion. You're clearly trolling and bashing war. An opinion would mean you actually know something about the game and have a different view than what the average person does. On top of that, you back up this opinion with actual evidence and facts.
All you're doing is bashing the game because YOU like WoW more than WAR. You don't have any actual facts. Everything you say is untrue and you are clearly a WoW fanboy. You're opinion is biased at best.
Go back to WoW if you don't want to play WAR. OR, read up on WAR, come back and give us your opinion/statement and back it up with facts and truth. I don't mind someone having a negative view on the game as long as they have facts to prove their arguement. Not everyone will, or has to like WAR. But don't bash something you know nothing of.
let's play a game called READ THE F*CKING THREAD, FFS U SEE WARNING DISSING WAR AND YOU DONT READ PAST, wtf is with you people, read the freaking post for what it is and then go back to the thrusting of basement time merryment
I did read the thread, I'm not illiterate like you. You say you've read up on WAR but know nothing about it.
You don't have an opinion. You're just bashing WAR, with no evidence or facts to prove anything you say.
sorry i dont regularly update my signature on game forums =(
Everyone calling you on your BS and you quote that guy. WTTroll...
Calling me on my BS? an opinion on a game that was clearly stated as an opinion that the game will be bad? QFT and GTFO bro, the game will be shit because it will be generic because everything that it's "implementing" has been done 400 times over and stuffed in the ass of each cow that's pre-subscribing for the epic awesome leet pack. the game is bad because it's old before it even came out.
Listen ,if you have that opinion when the game comes out and you actually sit down and play it. I won't say a thing. Then thats your opinion. I don't respect an opinion made about something they absolutely know nothing about.
See, I never played games like Runescape or Lineage or many other games. I never been in Aion beta. Those games don't seem "appealing" to me. But, I would never go jump into their forums and tell them how crappy the game is or going to be because normal people don't do that. I would never comment on how crappy Aion's classes were, or how horrible the combat is cause I haven't experienced it.
Problem wow has is EVERYONE has played it so most can comment on it. So it always seems they are getting bashed. The truth is the bigger your fan base gets the bigger your critics base is.
So, wait till you make it out of grade school to post again, or just turn your computer off after you stopped grinding your 5th toon in WoW (which I don't understand why you would be doing that since their end game is so perfect).
You got to be the worst troll ever, even for WoW standards.
pvp ranks, pvp skills, seperate teirs of talent trees oops, skill teirs. quickleveling mounting into a deep grind, city seiges, and my dinner is done so ill be back in 10 minutes..
PVP ranks, what game did this before DAoC?
PVP skills... I don't know of 400 games that have done this before. I know DAoC has done this, list off 399 more games for me.
Seperate tiers, list off 400 other games please, heck list off one.. i can't think of any.
Skill tiers, WoW copied previous games (ex, EQ) that did this as well. Go write this on their boards please.
City seiges, um DAoC started it... AoC tried it by failed. Wheres the other 398 games?
quickleveling mounting into a deep grind - What deep grind? Enlighten me please.
oh manz did someone say a larger number to exagerate an obvious truth? ragnarok does pvp skills based out of guilds and so do many free to play games, games like tantra, rohan, RF online, games that allow you to gimp certain things while leveling other things.
EVERY GAME HAS COPIED ALMOST EVERYTHING FROM OTHER GAMES
lineage 2, this isnt a game of "did daoc or wow do it first" gtfover urself
a deep grind is where quests die off and leveling is an actual grind instead of being carried by a base storyline that dies before max level
----------------------------- IVE PLAYED WOW AND LIKED IT SO IM A FANBOI PLZ FLAME MY THREADS CUZ I MIGHT MENTION WOW
sorry i dont regularly update my signature on game forums =(
Everyone calling you on your BS and you quote that guy. WTTroll...
Calling me on my BS? an opinion on a game that was clearly stated as an opinion that the game will be bad? QFT and GTFO bro, the game will be shit because it will be generic because everything that it's "implementing" has been done 400 times over and stuffed in the ass of each cow that's pre-subscribing for the epic awesome leet pack. the game is bad because it's old before it even came out.
Listen ,if you have that opinion when the game comes out and you actually sit down and play it. I won;t say a thing. Then thats your opinion. I do;t respect an opinion made about something they absolutely know nothing about.
See, I never played games like Runescape or Lineage or many other games. I never been in Aion beta. Those games don't seem "appealing" to me. But, I would never go jump into their forums and tell them how crappy the game is or going to be because normal people don't do that. I would neve comment on how crappy Aion's classes were, or how horrible the combat is cause I haven't experienced it.
Problem wow has is EVERYONE has played it so most can comment on it. So it always seems they are getting bashed. The truth is the bigger your fan base gets the bigger your critics base is.
So, wait till you make it out of grade school to post again, or just turn your computer off after you stopped grinding your 5th toon in WoW (which I don't understand why you would be doing that since their end game is so perfect).
You got to be the worst troll ever, even for WoW standards.
and your not a troll? defending a game that you too have never played? your e-peen must be big calling me out on being in 5th grade when i'm 24, i've obviously been left back a few, i compare almost everything to wow for that exact reason, EVERYONE HAS PLAYED THE GAME, so EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION about it, wether they like it or not they can picture it and compare, i'm not gonna compare what i know about WAR to something like Dungeons and Dragons because ive never played it. use logic before you type again, i'll be busy sucking my ba-ba and doing my spelling list
----------------------------- IVE PLAYED WOW AND LIKED IT SO IM A FANBOI PLZ FLAME MY THREADS CUZ I MIGHT MENTION WOW
pvp ranks, pvp skills, seperate teirs of talent trees oops, skill teirs. quickleveling mounting into a deep grind, city seiges, and my dinner is done so ill be back in 10 minutes..
It's been known and stated by Mythic that they are not making anything revolutionary but evolutionary. They said they would go the traditional MMORPG route with more polish. The selling point of WAR is the focus on RvR. People who want to play WAR are not looking for incredibley new features that nobody has ever seen. They are looking for a PvP focused MMORPG, RvR will deliver that.
If think the game is bad, then do exactly that. THINK it's bad, keep it to yourself, in your mind. When the game releases, you play it, and give it a fair chance... THEN open your mouth, post, whatever the hell you want. I am hoping this game will be great, but you don't see me running around posting everywhere that WAR will be the greatest. I am waiting for the game to release to judge it.
pvp ranks, pvp skills, seperate teirs of talent trees oops, skill teirs. quickleveling mounting into a deep grind, city seiges, and my dinner is done so ill be back in 10 minutes..
PVP ranks, what game did this before DAoC?
PVP skills... I don't know of 400 games that have done this before. I know DAoC has done this, list off 399 more games for me.
Seperate tiers, list off 400 other games please, heck list off one.. i can't think of any.
Skill tiers, WoW copied previous games (ex, EQ) that did this as well. Go write this on their boards please.
City seiges, um DAoC started it... AoC tried it by failed. Wheres the other 398 games?
quickleveling mounting into a deep grind - What deep grind? Enlighten me please.
oh manz did someone say a larger number to exagerate an obvious truth? ragnarok does pvp skills based out of guilds and so do many free to play games, games like tantra, rohan, RF online, games that allow you to gimp certain things while leveling other things.
EVERY GAME HAS COPIED ALMOST EVERYTHING FROM OTHER GAMES
lineage 2, this isnt a game of "did daoc or wow do it first" gtfover urself
a deep grind is where quests die off and leveling is an actual grind instead of being carried by a base storyline that dies before max level
The storyline doesn't end even at level 40. There are more quests to do than there are levels. Not to mention, there storyline continues through Tier 4 as you capture cities, kill the king and do legendary unlocked PQ's and PVE deungeons. Furthermore, you gain exp so that you can level as you PVP/RVR as well.
Great, so DAoC came out before L2, meaning DAoC started it, and all those games copied it. The developrs of DAoC are making WAR, thus WAR did not copy from previous games.
You are a fanboy of WoW, yet dis WAR because it came up with new ideas and all WoW did was copy previous ideas. So even though WAR has PQ's, RVR, City Seiges, PvP ranks etc... all of which they mastered and created... because they have one thing that EVERY other game has. They are ultimately copiers, even though every aspect about WoW has been copied. Their whole storyline, lore, characters etc are just rehashes of Warhammer and Tolkien Lore.
Ya go read a book kid... better yet, since you're illiterate, have your mommy read it to you while sucking on her teet.
pvp ranks, pvp skills, seperate teirs of talent trees oops, skill teirs. quickleveling mounting into a deep grind, city seiges, and my dinner is done so ill be back in 10 minutes..
PVP ranks, what game did this before DAoC?
PVP skills... I don't know of 400 games that have done this before. I know DAoC has done this, list off 399 more games for me.
Seperate tiers, list off 400 other games please, heck list off one.. i can't think of any.
Skill tiers, WoW copied previous games (ex, EQ) that did this as well. Go write this on their boards please.
City seiges, um DAoC started it... AoC tried it by failed. Wheres the other 398 games?
quickleveling mounting into a deep grind - What deep grind? Enlighten me please.
oh manz did someone say a larger number to exagerate an obvious truth? ragnarok does pvp skills based out of guilds and so do many free to play games, games like tantra, rohan, RF online, games that allow you to gimp certain things while leveling other things.
EVERY GAME HAS COPIED ALMOST EVERYTHING FROM OTHER GAMES
lineage 2, this isnt a game of "did daoc or wow do it first" gtfover urself
a deep grind is where quests die off and leveling is an actual grind instead of being carried by a base storyline that dies before max level
The storyline doesn't end even at level 40. There are more quests to do than there are levels. Furthermore, you level as you PVP/RVR as well.
Great, so DAoC came out before L2, meaning DAoC started it, and all those games copied it. The developrs of DAoC are making WAR, thus WAR did not copy from previous games.
You are a fanboy of WoW, yet dis WAR because it came up with new ideas and all WoW did was copy previous ideas. So even though WAR has PQ's, RVR, City Seiges, PvP ranks etc... all of which they mastered and created... because they have one thing that EVERY other game has. They are ultimately copiers, even though every aspect about WoW has been copied. Their whole storyline, lore, characters etc are just rehashes of Warhammer and Tolkien Lore.
Ya go read a book kid... better yet, since you're illiterate, have your mommy read it to you while sucking on her teet.
I'm going back to WAR beta, peace!
There's nothing ground breaking about daoc and yea i have played it, the game mechanics were there because that's what the game was, just because wow doesnt have castle seiges scheduled on a weekly basis doesnt mean it's a terribad game because it doesnt impliment what can easily be done in a mass of nubs rushing ironforge
and no i'm not a fanboy of wow, it's a good game /gg wow? so is mario, i loved mario, am i a mario fanboi? i have to go de-wet myself because mario is gettin me rough
and what's with this kid stuff? is this the best shit you guys can come up with? "kid" oh manz i should go commit suicide because someone i'll never meet called me a kid, i hope god doesnt show his wrath.
----------------------------- IVE PLAYED WOW AND LIKED IT SO IM A FANBOI PLZ FLAME MY THREADS CUZ I MIGHT MENTION WOW
and your not a troll? defending a game that you too have never played? I have no opinions about the game yet. At least not strong ones either way. I am just defending people who come on here to see informative and coherent opinions about the game. I have made no statements what so ever that this game is great or bad. your e-peen must be big calling me out on being in 5th grade when I'm 24, I've obviously been left back a few, Must have been..... i compare almost everything to wow for that exact reason, EVERYONE HAS PLAYED THE GAME, so EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION about it, whether they like it or not they can picture it and compare, I'm not gonna compare what i know about WAR to something like Dungeons and Dragons because Ive never played it. You just proved everyone's point. You are trying to critique WAR ( game you never played AND know nothing about) with a game that you have played. Yet you just stated you wouldn't compare WAR to a game you haven't played. WHY? You can form an opinion about war but not D&D? WHY? Why don't you do this: Go research D&D. But only look at beta videos and forums dated around beta. After you gather all that info, compare it all to WAR. Then post again in here, so we can see such a worthless piece of crap opinion just like the one you had in your OP. use logic before you type again, I'll be busy sucking my ba-ba and doing my spelling list Still using a Ba-ba in 4th grade. Your mother should talk to you about that.
This isn't Warhammer: 40k, it's not fps. The artwork of which the game is based on, was set in place by Games Workshop over 25 years ago. That being said, although the character models look MUCH better than WoW. The game is based on it's own artwork, in essence, WoW copied WAR. Anyways, this will NOT be a grind. You can get to rank 40 in a month or less as a CASUAL player. However, getting RR80 will take a bit longer. Possibly around 2-3months as a casual player.
I don't know what you mean by grind, but leveling will be easier in WAR than it is in WoW, or any other game for that matter. The end goal of mythic is to get you to 40 ASAP. Once you hit 40, is when the real game begins. Although, Mythic took a different turn and actually made the game begin at level 1. In WoW, there may be 40 zones. But 20 of those zones are meant just for leveling with no other reasoning. In WAR, there's only 34 zones, but every zone has a purpose. There's real time pvp in every zone and scenarios. T2 and above have keeps/castles, all zones have seige weapons. So even when you're just a level 1, you can instantly get into PVP/RvR and instantly become useful. Everything you do helps out the WAR effort. By doing RvR/PVP/PVE or even crafting in Tier 1, you're helping out Tier 2, Tier 3 and final even Tier 4. So no zone goes wasted, no quest goes unneeded. Theres always something to do and getting there is not hard. They want you be at level 40 so you can have fun.
Hope that helps.
the grind im reffering to is the fact that it will be a long time doing very repedetive tasks involving pvp AND pve alike, not necesarily sitting in a cave waiting for a mob to spawn to gang rush it
"The Grind" I am starting to think people like you will call anything a "grind". If you remove EVERYTHING that you call a "grind" in a game. ... you don't even have a rpg game. You now have a FPS where you do not level or improve your character in anyway.
So basically if it is in anyway a rpg, then it is a "grind" .. sounds like you are in the wrong genre. RPGs are about character progression. I will tell you what the abreviation MMORPG stands for, Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplay Game, maybe you should look for online shooters, not to try to change what an RPG is.
So you want to "play" a game but actually not have any game to "play"? I don't understand why people want their persistant online game to end sooo fast .. just don't understand.
sorry i dont regularly update my signature on game forums =(
Everyone calling you on your BS and you quote that guy. WTTroll...
Calling me on my BS? an opinion on a game that was clearly stated as an opinion that the game will be bad? QFT and GTFO bro, the game will be shit because it will be generic because everything that it's "implementing" has been done 400 times over and stuffed in the ass of each cow that's pre-subscribing for the epic awesome leet pack. the game is bad because it's old before it even came out.
Dude, that's not an opinion. You're clearly trolling and bashing war. An opinion would mean you actually know something about the game and have a different view than what the average person does. On top of that, you back up this opinion with actual evidence and facts.
All you're doing is bashing the game because YOU like WoW more than WAR. You don't have any actual facts. Everything you say is untrue and you are clearly a WoW fanboy. You're opinion is biased at best.
Go back to WoW if you don't want to play WAR. OR, read up on WAR, come back and give us your opinion/statement and back it up with facts and truth. I don't mind someone having a negative view on the game as long as they have facts to prove their arguement. Not everyone will, or has to like WAR. But don't bash something you know nothing of.
let's play a game called READ THE F*CKING THREAD, FFS U SEE WARNING DISSING WAR AND YOU DONT READ PAST, wtf is with you people, read the freaking post for what it is and then go back to the thrusting of basement time merryment
I read your entire post and there is nothing of ANY substance in it. You need to make a point and not spew random thoughts that turn into a big ball of stupidity.
You mention grinding but you obviously have no idea about WAR or RvR. The fun in WAR is in the RvR. To be on a battlefield fighting is fun. You say that fighting for control of 10 of 15 zones(assuming 5 in EvC and 5 more in another zone) to unlock the city siege is going to be a grind...I say its going to be fun that takes months to accomplish. You won't be doing the same things constantly the warfront will move daily and the battles will always change.
PvP ranks are meant to be something that you earn as you PvP and have fun....not something to be grinded.
Some classes will be more popular is another idea you put out there saying the game will be bad but you give no point. Classes will balance out and some will always be more popular no matter what the game is.
If you want to bring up PvE in an RvR game then by all means. It is an RvR game and I would never expect the PvE to be ground breaking.
So go back and think up some new ideas and this time try to make points with them besides "Its going to be a grinder!" with no evidence to back it up.
I don't know why every one is getting so mad at this guy for posting his thoughs on a game he never played over 7 pages on this post is way to much and i wish the NDA was over so i could tell you what i think
Your right. And for being such a good WoW troll I'll feed him what I use to feed them over there:
I can see where some people would think that WAR isn't all that some fans claim it is. Here are some of the things you can put on the scale:
Things other MMO's have already done:
PvP Ranks (WoW to name one)
PvP Experience
City Sieges (Shadowbane did this a long time ago)
Level-based progression (most MMO's)
Talent Trees (Many MMO's)
Hybrid Classes (DAoC, AoC, EQ2, and some lesser-known games)
RvR (DAoC, Regnum, and even WoW. WAR's RvR is only 2-sided.)
Questing (most MMO's)
So, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of innovation when it comes to WAR. Yes, they have Public Quests, and that's a neat idea. I'll give you that. But they also don't have some of the things that ARE present in some of the current MMO's; many things players consider to add to the gameplay or immersion.
What WAR doesn't have:
Reactionary skills (such as in LotRO)
Player Housing
Player Cities
Developed system for crafters (not that I'm aware of anyway)
Non-combat activities (fishing, gardening, etc.)
Characters integrated into the storyline (as in FFXI or LotRO)
Now, I know that some details can't be given away without breaking the NDA, but what can anyone offer that WAR has which makes it more than just another fantasy clone with a different coat of paint? I look forward to the open beta when I can see for myself how the "fun" factor really plays out. But for now I don't see them doing anything impressive.
Every game is a grind. You have to accomplish tasks to recieve a reward. Some grinds are monotomously boring some are not. That is what seperates the dull from the exciting.
Does war have many, many, many levels of varying achievement, unlocks and ToK achievements to open up?
You betcha. That's easy enough to read on any WAR site, forum or their official boards.
Is the main focus more on the in-game Chaos/Empire WAR vs. PVE Personal gear gaining?
Yep.
The real question is, is it FUN? That's what only you can decide after you get a chance to take the game for a spin. Either fortune smiles and you get a chance at the beta, or you purchase the game out right. No manner of dicussion, threads, articles or videos will help you decide "Is this for me, fun?"
You can troll rant about what your opinions from the outside are, and that's fine. I'm just gonna go with the majority here and completely disagree with your assesment of WAR.
it's going to be a grind, no lie - dont tell yourself it wont be, beta gamers can vouche for it, not only will it be a grind, it'll be a slow grind, with classes overranking each other.
While I respect your opinion, when is an mmo ever not a grind?. You grind, in one way or another. Without going into much detail, id have to say you are very...very...VERY... far off with calling this game a grind.
ya know iv seen this crap before with this OMG IT HAS A GRIND, yes every mmo has a grind, any game with lvls in some sence has some sort of grind. They key is, is the grind fun to the point you dont care. First time i got to 60 in wow it was awesome , everything was new, but then all that was left was getting rdy for MC then doing MC ect, just nothing to do.
Anyway if you call the pvp a grind cause its not fun , well then its not for you. Saying you hate the game because of the grind is saying you hate FPS because of shooting.
But as said before your statement have no substance its just w/e this and w/e that, if ya really want to say you dont like it, best starting picking specific things.
As to the person mentioning about the housing and such. They said game 1st world 2nd. Its more about the jump in and fun.
Also to add in, having a house is prty odd for lore, you are a soldier not a adventuerer.
I can see where some people would think that WAR isn't all that some fans claim it is. Here are some of the things you can put on the scale: Things other MMO's have already done:
PvP Ranks (WoW to name one) PvP Experience City Sieges (Shadowbane did this a long time ago) Level-based progression (most MMO's) Talent Trees (Many MMO's) Hybrid Classes (DAoC, AoC, EQ2, and some lesser-known games) RvR (DAoC, Regnum, and even WoW. WAR's RvR is only 2-sided.) Questing (most MMO's)
So, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of innovation when it comes to WAR. Yes, they have Public Quests, and that's a neat idea. I'll give you that. But they also don't have some of the things that ARE present in some of the current MMO's; many things players consider to add to the gameplay or immersion. What WAR doesn't have:
Reactionary skills (such as in LotRO) Player Housing Player Cities Developed system for crafters (not that I'm aware of anyway) Non-combat activities (fishing, gardening, etc.) Characters integrated into the storyline (as in FFXI or LotRO)
Now, I know that some details can't be given away without breaking the NDA, but what can anyone offer that WAR has which makes it more than just another fantasy clone with a different coat of paint? I look forward to the open beta when I can see for myself how the "fun" factor really plays out. But for now I don't see them doing anything impressive.
do you even know anything about Warhammer ? you think they have time to go fishing ?? or go and spend time decorating there houses ?? It's war 24/7 if you have spare time you are looking for some one to kill or on the march to go kill some one you think you have the time to go on the lake to fish haha that is so stupid . you have no idea what the world is like in Warhammer go read a book or look on the Game's workshop site and get to know the Warhammer univers
I can see where some people would think that WAR isn't all that some fans claim it is. Here are some of the things you can put on the scale: Things other MMO's have already done:
PvP Ranks (WoW to name one) PvP Experience City Sieges (Shadowbane did this a long time ago) Level-based progression (most MMO's) Talent Trees (Many MMO's) Hybrid Classes (DAoC, AoC, EQ2, and some lesser-known games) RvR (DAoC, Regnum, and even WoW. WAR's RvR is only 2-sided.) Questing (most MMO's)
So, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of innovation when it comes to WAR. Yes, they have Public Quests, and that's a neat idea. I'll give you that. But they also don't have some of the things that ARE present in some of the current MMO's; many things players consider to add to the gameplay or immersion. What WAR doesn't have:
Reactionary skills (such as in LotRO) Player Housing Player Cities Developed system for crafters (not that I'm aware of anyway) Non-combat activities (fishing, gardening, etc.) Characters integrated into the storyline (as in FFXI or LotRO)
Now, I know that some details can't be given away without breaking the NDA, but what can anyone offer that WAR has which makes it more than just another fantasy clone with a different coat of paint? I look forward to the open beta when I can see for myself how the "fun" factor really plays out. But for now I don't see them doing anything impressive.
But really who is? MMO's been fairly the same except for 1 or 2 major innovations. Now its geting to the point that there is no more to do in a game. Except the small stuff. The small stuff is what add up and differentiates games now days.
You just skimmed over public quests but from what they are saying its a big implementation.
I too can't wait for the NDA is lifted. People are going to be surprised. I too thought RVR and the game as a whole would be to small of a scale (especially with only two realms and cities). There is alot to this game. Tons. I can tell you the only thing people will be able to say about WAR content wise is that it doesn't have as much as (hoose a 3-4 year old game here). But it has more then most MMO's had a launch.
I can see where some people would think that WAR isn't all that some fans claim it is. Here are some of the things you can put on the scale: Things other MMO's have already done:
PvP Ranks (WoW to name one) PvP Experience City Sieges (Shadowbane did this a long time ago) Level-based progression (most MMO's) Talent Trees (Many MMO's) Hybrid Classes (DAoC, AoC, EQ2, and some lesser-known games) RvR (DAoC, Regnum, and even WoW. WAR's RvR is only 2-sided.) Questing (most MMO's)
So, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of innovation when it comes to WAR. Yes, they have Public Quests, and that's a neat idea. I'll give you that. But they also don't have some of the things that ARE present in some of the current MMO's; many things players consider to add to the gameplay or immersion. What WAR doesn't have:
Reactionary skills (such as in LotRO) Player Housing Player Cities Developed system for crafters (not that I'm aware of anyway) Non-combat activities (fishing, gardening, etc.) Characters integrated into the storyline (as in FFXI or LotRO)
Now, I know that some details can't be given away without breaking the NDA, but what can anyone offer that WAR has which makes it more than just another fantasy clone with a different coat of paint? I look forward to the open beta when I can see for myself how the "fun" factor really plays out. But for now I don't see them doing anything impressive.
do you even know anything about Warhammer ? you think they have time to go fishing ?? or go and spend time decorating there houses ?? It's war 24/7 if you have spare time you are looking for some one to kill or on the march to go kill some one you think you have the time to go on the lake to fish haha that is so stupid . you have no idea what the world is like in Warhammer go read a book or look on the Game's workshop site and get to know the Warhammer univers
thats a pretty blunt way of stating it, but yeah. The thing about Warhammer, is that is the main focus. The tabletop games were all about destroying the opposition with your own army. it wasnt and isnt DnD, DnD is focusing on your character and a small group of friends, and a story.
There is a crafting system, but it isnt something one can specialize. Instead its more of a supplimental thing to your fighting.
do you even know anything about Warhammer ? you think they have time to go fishing ?? or go and spend time decorating there houses ?? It's war 24/7 if you have spare time you are looking for some one to kill or on the march to go kill some one you think you have the time to go on the lake to fish haha that is so stupid . you have no idea what the world is like in Warhammer go read a book or look on the Game's workshop site and get to know the Warhammer univers
I don't need to read a bunch of Warhammer books or be a specialist in the lore to know what adds depth to a video game. And MANY of the people who will pick up the game are not going to be familiar with the IP on that level. The point I was trying to make is that players have higher expectations, and that RvR being the sole "hook' to the game may not be enough. I don't think it fits as innovative, though whether it's interesting or fun remains to be seen and is a matter of personal opinion. I don't know, I might really like the game, even if it's not full of features.
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Everyone calling you on your BS and you quote that guy. WTTroll...
Calling me on my BS? an opinion on a game that was clearly stated as an opinion that the game will be bad? QFT and GTFO bro, the game will be shit because it will be generic because everything that it's "implementing" has been done 400 times over and stuffed in the ass of each cow that's pre-subscribing for the epic awesome leet pack. the game is bad because it's old before it even came out.
Dude, that's not an opinion. You're clearly trolling and bashing war. An opinion would mean you actually know something about the game and have a different view than what the average person does. On top of that, you back up this opinion with actual evidence and facts.
All you're doing is bashing the game because YOU like WoW more than WAR. You don't have any actual facts. Everything you say is untrue and you are clearly a WoW fanboy. You're opinion is biased at best.
Go back to WoW if you don't want to play WAR. OR, read up on WAR, come back and give us your opinion/statement and back it up with facts and truth. I don't mind someone having a negative view on the game as long as they have facts to prove their arguement. Not everyone will, or has to like WAR. But don't bash something you know nothing of.
let's play a game called READ THE F*CKING THREAD, FFS U SEE WARNING DISSING WAR AND YOU DONT READ PAST, wtf is with you people, read the freaking post for what it is and then go back to the thrusting of basement time merryment
I did read the thread, I'm not illiterate like you. You say you've read up on WAR but know nothing about it.
You don't have an opinion. You're just bashing WAR, with no evidence or facts to prove anything you say.
What happened to your dinner being done?
Playing: WoW,
Played: Aion, AoC, Eve, EQ, EQ2, LOTRO, Runescape, Guild Wars, DAoC, Planetside, SWG, WAR, Darkfall
Wanting to try: DCU Online
Waiting For: Star Wars The Old Republic, Guild Wars 2.
sorry i dont regularly update my signature on game forums =(
Everyone calling you on your BS and you quote that guy. WTTroll...
Calling me on my BS? an opinion on a game that was clearly stated as an opinion that the game will be bad? QFT and GTFO bro, the game will be shit because it will be generic because everything that it's "implementing" has been done 400 times over and stuffed in the ass of each cow that's pre-subscribing for the epic awesome leet pack. the game is bad because it's old before it even came out.
Listen ,if you have that opinion when the game comes out and you actually sit down and play it. I won't say a thing. Then thats your opinion. I don't respect an opinion made about something they absolutely know nothing about.
See, I never played games like Runescape or Lineage or many other games. I never been in Aion beta. Those games don't seem "appealing" to me. But, I would never go jump into their forums and tell them how crappy the game is or going to be because normal people don't do that. I would never comment on how crappy Aion's classes were, or how horrible the combat is cause I haven't experienced it.
Problem wow has is EVERYONE has played it so most can comment on it. So it always seems they are getting bashed. The truth is the bigger your fan base gets the bigger your critics base is.
So, wait till you make it out of grade school to post again, or just turn your computer off after you stopped grinding your 5th toon in WoW (which I don't understand why you would be doing that since their end game is so perfect).
You got to be the worst troll ever, even for WoW standards.
PVP ranks, what game did this before DAoC?
PVP skills... I don't know of 400 games that have done this before. I know DAoC has done this, list off 399 more games for me.
Seperate tiers, list off 400 other games please, heck list off one.. i can't think of any.
Skill tiers, WoW copied previous games (ex, EQ) that did this as well. Go write this on their boards please.
City seiges, um DAoC started it... AoC tried it by failed. Wheres the other 398 games?
quickleveling mounting into a deep grind - What deep grind? Enlighten me please.
oh manz did someone say a larger number to exagerate an obvious truth? ragnarok does pvp skills based out of guilds and so do many free to play games, games like tantra, rohan, RF online, games that allow you to gimp certain things while leveling other things.
EVERY GAME HAS COPIED ALMOST EVERYTHING FROM OTHER GAMES
lineage 2, this isnt a game of "did daoc or wow do it first" gtfover urself
a deep grind is where quests die off and leveling is an actual grind instead of being carried by a base storyline that dies before max level
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IVE PLAYED WOW AND LIKED IT SO IM A FANBOI PLZ FLAME MY THREADS CUZ I MIGHT MENTION WOW
sorry i dont regularly update my signature on game forums =(
Everyone calling you on your BS and you quote that guy. WTTroll...
Calling me on my BS? an opinion on a game that was clearly stated as an opinion that the game will be bad? QFT and GTFO bro, the game will be shit because it will be generic because everything that it's "implementing" has been done 400 times over and stuffed in the ass of each cow that's pre-subscribing for the epic awesome leet pack. the game is bad because it's old before it even came out.
Listen ,if you have that opinion when the game comes out and you actually sit down and play it. I won;t say a thing. Then thats your opinion. I do;t respect an opinion made about something they absolutely know nothing about.
See, I never played games like Runescape or Lineage or many other games. I never been in Aion beta. Those games don't seem "appealing" to me. But, I would never go jump into their forums and tell them how crappy the game is or going to be because normal people don't do that. I would neve comment on how crappy Aion's classes were, or how horrible the combat is cause I haven't experienced it.
Problem wow has is EVERYONE has played it so most can comment on it. So it always seems they are getting bashed. The truth is the bigger your fan base gets the bigger your critics base is.
So, wait till you make it out of grade school to post again, or just turn your computer off after you stopped grinding your 5th toon in WoW (which I don't understand why you would be doing that since their end game is so perfect).
You got to be the worst troll ever, even for WoW standards.
and your not a troll? defending a game that you too have never played? your e-peen must be big calling me out on being in 5th grade when i'm 24, i've obviously been left back a few, i compare almost everything to wow for that exact reason, EVERYONE HAS PLAYED THE GAME, so EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION about it, wether they like it or not they can picture it and compare, i'm not gonna compare what i know about WAR to something like Dungeons and Dragons because ive never played it. use logic before you type again, i'll be busy sucking my ba-ba and doing my spelling list
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IVE PLAYED WOW AND LIKED IT SO IM A FANBOI PLZ FLAME MY THREADS CUZ I MIGHT MENTION WOW
It's been known and stated by Mythic that they are not making anything revolutionary but evolutionary. They said they would go the traditional MMORPG route with more polish. The selling point of WAR is the focus on RvR. People who want to play WAR are not looking for incredibley new features that nobody has ever seen. They are looking for a PvP focused MMORPG, RvR will deliver that.
If think the game is bad, then do exactly that. THINK it's bad, keep it to yourself, in your mind. When the game releases, you play it, and give it a fair chance... THEN open your mouth, post, whatever the hell you want. I am hoping this game will be great, but you don't see me running around posting everywhere that WAR will be the greatest. I am waiting for the game to release to judge it.
PVP ranks, what game did this before DAoC?
PVP skills... I don't know of 400 games that have done this before. I know DAoC has done this, list off 399 more games for me.
Seperate tiers, list off 400 other games please, heck list off one.. i can't think of any.
Skill tiers, WoW copied previous games (ex, EQ) that did this as well. Go write this on their boards please.
City seiges, um DAoC started it... AoC tried it by failed. Wheres the other 398 games?
quickleveling mounting into a deep grind - What deep grind? Enlighten me please.
oh manz did someone say a larger number to exagerate an obvious truth? ragnarok does pvp skills based out of guilds and so do many free to play games, games like tantra, rohan, RF online, games that allow you to gimp certain things while leveling other things.
EVERY GAME HAS COPIED ALMOST EVERYTHING FROM OTHER GAMES
lineage 2, this isnt a game of "did daoc or wow do it first" gtfover urself
a deep grind is where quests die off and leveling is an actual grind instead of being carried by a base storyline that dies before max level
The storyline doesn't end even at level 40. There are more quests to do than there are levels. Not to mention, there storyline continues through Tier 4 as you capture cities, kill the king and do legendary unlocked PQ's and PVE deungeons. Furthermore, you gain exp so that you can level as you PVP/RVR as well.
Great, so DAoC came out before L2, meaning DAoC started it, and all those games copied it. The developrs of DAoC are making WAR, thus WAR did not copy from previous games.
You are a fanboy of WoW, yet dis WAR because it came up with new ideas and all WoW did was copy previous ideas. So even though WAR has PQ's, RVR, City Seiges, PvP ranks etc... all of which they mastered and created... because they have one thing that EVERY other game has. They are ultimately copiers, even though every aspect about WoW has been copied. Their whole storyline, lore, characters etc are just rehashes of Warhammer and Tolkien Lore.
Ya go read a book kid... better yet, since you're illiterate, have your mommy read it to you while sucking on her teet.
I'm going back to WAR beta, peace!
Playing: WoW,
Played: Aion, AoC, Eve, EQ, EQ2, LOTRO, Runescape, Guild Wars, DAoC, Planetside, SWG, WAR, Darkfall
Wanting to try: DCU Online
Waiting For: Star Wars The Old Republic, Guild Wars 2.
PVP ranks, what game did this before DAoC?
PVP skills... I don't know of 400 games that have done this before. I know DAoC has done this, list off 399 more games for me.
Seperate tiers, list off 400 other games please, heck list off one.. i can't think of any.
Skill tiers, WoW copied previous games (ex, EQ) that did this as well. Go write this on their boards please.
City seiges, um DAoC started it... AoC tried it by failed. Wheres the other 398 games?
quickleveling mounting into a deep grind - What deep grind? Enlighten me please.
oh manz did someone say a larger number to exagerate an obvious truth? ragnarok does pvp skills based out of guilds and so do many free to play games, games like tantra, rohan, RF online, games that allow you to gimp certain things while leveling other things.
EVERY GAME HAS COPIED ALMOST EVERYTHING FROM OTHER GAMES
lineage 2, this isnt a game of "did daoc or wow do it first" gtfover urself
a deep grind is where quests die off and leveling is an actual grind instead of being carried by a base storyline that dies before max level
The storyline doesn't end even at level 40. There are more quests to do than there are levels. Furthermore, you level as you PVP/RVR as well.
Great, so DAoC came out before L2, meaning DAoC started it, and all those games copied it. The developrs of DAoC are making WAR, thus WAR did not copy from previous games.
You are a fanboy of WoW, yet dis WAR because it came up with new ideas and all WoW did was copy previous ideas. So even though WAR has PQ's, RVR, City Seiges, PvP ranks etc... all of which they mastered and created... because they have one thing that EVERY other game has. They are ultimately copiers, even though every aspect about WoW has been copied. Their whole storyline, lore, characters etc are just rehashes of Warhammer and Tolkien Lore.
Ya go read a book kid... better yet, since you're illiterate, have your mommy read it to you while sucking on her teet.
I'm going back to WAR beta, peace!
There's nothing ground breaking about daoc and yea i have played it, the game mechanics were there because that's what the game was, just because wow doesnt have castle seiges scheduled on a weekly basis doesnt mean it's a terribad game because it doesnt impliment what can easily be done in a mass of nubs rushing ironforge
and no i'm not a fanboy of wow, it's a good game /gg wow? so is mario, i loved mario, am i a mario fanboi? i have to go de-wet myself because mario is gettin me rough
and what's with this kid stuff? is this the best shit you guys can come up with? "kid" oh manz i should go commit suicide because someone i'll never meet called me a kid, i hope god doesnt show his wrath.
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IVE PLAYED WOW AND LIKED IT SO IM A FANBOI PLZ FLAME MY THREADS CUZ I MIGHT MENTION WOW
guys just stop posting... this dude is obviously an attention whore.
Servase - u put warhammer and Tolkien lore in the same sentence?
Maybe it is you who should not go back to the beta testing but instead read a book.
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I don't know why every one is getting so mad at this guy for posting his thoughs on a game he never played
over 7 pages on this post is way to much and i wish the NDA was over so i could tell you what i think
or better yet, block him, that way we cant see what he is saying, and we can either
A) Take over the thread and use it to talk
or
the grind im reffering to is the fact that it will be a long time doing very repedetive tasks involving pvp AND pve alike, not necesarily sitting in a cave waiting for a mob to spawn to gang rush it
"The Grind" I am starting to think people like you will call anything a "grind". If you remove EVERYTHING that you call a "grind" in a game. ... you don't even have a rpg game. You now have a FPS where you do not level or improve your character in anyway.
So basically if it is in anyway a rpg, then it is a "grind" .. sounds like you are in the wrong genre. RPGs are about character progression. I will tell you what the abreviation MMORPG stands for, Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplay Game, maybe you should look for online shooters, not to try to change what an RPG is.
So you want to "play" a game but actually not have any game to "play"? I don't understand why people want their persistant online game to end sooo fast .. just don't understand.
sorry i dont regularly update my signature on game forums =(
Everyone calling you on your BS and you quote that guy. WTTroll...
Calling me on my BS? an opinion on a game that was clearly stated as an opinion that the game will be bad? QFT and GTFO bro, the game will be shit because it will be generic because everything that it's "implementing" has been done 400 times over and stuffed in the ass of each cow that's pre-subscribing for the epic awesome leet pack. the game is bad because it's old before it even came out.
Dude, that's not an opinion. You're clearly trolling and bashing war. An opinion would mean you actually know something about the game and have a different view than what the average person does. On top of that, you back up this opinion with actual evidence and facts.
All you're doing is bashing the game because YOU like WoW more than WAR. You don't have any actual facts. Everything you say is untrue and you are clearly a WoW fanboy. You're opinion is biased at best.
Go back to WoW if you don't want to play WAR. OR, read up on WAR, come back and give us your opinion/statement and back it up with facts and truth. I don't mind someone having a negative view on the game as long as they have facts to prove their arguement. Not everyone will, or has to like WAR. But don't bash something you know nothing of.
let's play a game called READ THE F*CKING THREAD, FFS U SEE WARNING DISSING WAR AND YOU DONT READ PAST, wtf is with you people, read the freaking post for what it is and then go back to the thrusting of basement time merryment
I read your entire post and there is nothing of ANY substance in it. You need to make a point and not spew random thoughts that turn into a big ball of stupidity.
You mention grinding but you obviously have no idea about WAR or RvR. The fun in WAR is in the RvR. To be on a battlefield fighting is fun. You say that fighting for control of 10 of 15 zones(assuming 5 in EvC and 5 more in another zone) to unlock the city siege is going to be a grind...I say its going to be fun that takes months to accomplish. You won't be doing the same things constantly the warfront will move daily and the battles will always change.
PvP ranks are meant to be something that you earn as you PvP and have fun....not something to be grinded.
Some classes will be more popular is another idea you put out there saying the game will be bad but you give no point. Classes will balance out and some will always be more popular no matter what the game is.
If you want to bring up PvE in an RvR game then by all means. It is an RvR game and I would never expect the PvE to be ground breaking.
So go back and think up some new ideas and this time try to make points with them besides "Its going to be a grinder!" with no evidence to back it up.
Your right. And for being such a good WoW troll I'll feed him what I use to feed them over there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ5DzhC9pa4
I can see where some people would think that WAR isn't all that some fans claim it is. Here are some of the things you can put on the scale:
Things other MMO's have already done:
So, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of innovation when it comes to WAR. Yes, they have Public Quests, and that's a neat idea. I'll give you that. But they also don't have some of the things that ARE present in some of the current MMO's; many things players consider to add to the gameplay or immersion.
What WAR doesn't have:
Now, I know that some details can't be given away without breaking the NDA, but what can anyone offer that WAR has which makes it more than just another fantasy clone with a different coat of paint? I look forward to the open beta when I can see for myself how the "fun" factor really plays out. But for now I don't see them doing anything impressive.
Hey Pepsi, props on getting a troll thread going.
Every game is a grind. You have to accomplish tasks to recieve a reward. Some grinds are monotomously boring some are not. That is what seperates the dull from the exciting.
Does war have many, many, many levels of varying achievement, unlocks and ToK achievements to open up?
You betcha. That's easy enough to read on any WAR site, forum or their official boards.
Is the main focus more on the in-game Chaos/Empire WAR vs. PVE Personal gear gaining?
Yep.
The real question is, is it FUN? That's what only you can decide after you get a chance to take the game for a spin. Either fortune smiles and you get a chance at the beta, or you purchase the game out right. No manner of dicussion, threads, articles or videos will help you decide "Is this for me, fun?"
You can troll rant about what your opinions from the outside are, and that's fine. I'm just gonna go with the majority here and completely disagree with your assesment of WAR.
Always change your signature.
i give this thread 3 more hours MAX till its locked.
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While I respect your opinion, when is an mmo ever not a grind?. You grind, in one way or another. Without going into much detail, id have to say you are very...very...VERY... far off with calling this game a grind.
lol well there are ways to make it locked faster.... >.>
ya know iv seen this crap before with this OMG IT HAS A GRIND, yes every mmo has a grind, any game with lvls in some sence has some sort of grind. They key is, is the grind fun to the point you dont care. First time i got to 60 in wow it was awesome , everything was new, but then all that was left was getting rdy for MC then doing MC ect, just nothing to do.
Anyway if you call the pvp a grind cause its not fun , well then its not for you. Saying you hate the game because of the grind is saying you hate FPS because of shooting.
But as said before your statement have no substance its just w/e this and w/e that, if ya really want to say you dont like it, best starting picking specific things.
As to the person mentioning about the housing and such. They said game 1st world 2nd. Its more about the jump in and fun.
Also to add in, having a house is prty odd for lore, you are a soldier not a adventuerer.
Edit- below person got me coverd.
do you even know anything about Warhammer ? you think they have time to go fishing ?? or go and spend time decorating there houses ?? It's war 24/7 if you have spare time you are looking for some one to kill or on the march to go kill some one you think you have the time to go on the lake to fish haha that is so stupid . you have no idea what the world is like in Warhammer go read a book or look on the Game's workshop site and get to know the Warhammer univers
But really who is? MMO's been fairly the same except for 1 or 2 major innovations. Now its geting to the point that there is no more to do in a game. Except the small stuff. The small stuff is what add up and differentiates games now days.
You just skimmed over public quests but from what they are saying its a big implementation.
I too can't wait for the NDA is lifted. People are going to be surprised. I too thought RVR and the game as a whole would be to small of a scale (especially with only two realms and cities). There is alot to this game. Tons. I can tell you the only thing people will be able to say about WAR content wise is that it doesn't have as much as (hoose a 3-4 year old game here). But it has more then most MMO's had a launch.
AS far as anything else. I have no idea.
do you even know anything about Warhammer ? you think they have time to go fishing ?? or go and spend time decorating there houses ?? It's war 24/7 if you have spare time you are looking for some one to kill or on the march to go kill some one you think you have the time to go on the lake to fish haha that is so stupid . you have no idea what the world is like in Warhammer go read a book or look on the Game's workshop site and get to know the Warhammer univers
thats a pretty blunt way of stating it, but yeah. The thing about Warhammer, is that is the main focus. The tabletop games were all about destroying the opposition with your own army. it wasnt and isnt DnD, DnD is focusing on your character and a small group of friends, and a story.
There is a crafting system, but it isnt something one can specialize. Instead its more of a supplimental thing to your fighting.
I don't need to read a bunch of Warhammer books or be a specialist in the lore to know what adds depth to a video game. And MANY of the people who will pick up the game are not going to be familiar with the IP on that level. The point I was trying to make is that players have higher expectations, and that RvR being the sole "hook' to the game may not be enough. I don't think it fits as innovative, though whether it's interesting or fun remains to be seen and is a matter of personal opinion. I don't know, I might really like the game, even if it's not full of features.