I read some of the OP's previous posts to see where he was coming from. In one thread he said he hopes Lineage 3 is as hardcore as L2. He posts that, then comes here to say WAR is a grindfest.
Body Snatchers ftw! I read some of the OP's previous posts to see where he was coming from. In one thread he said he hopes Lineage 3 is as hardcore as L2. He posts that, then comes here to say WAR is a grindfest. Alrighty then...
Body Snatchers ftw! I read some of the OP's previous posts to see where he was coming from. In one thread he said he hopes Lineage 3 is as hardcore as L2. He posts that, then comes here to say WAR is a grindfest. Alrighty then...
rofl there is a Lineage 3?
I guess they're developing it.
I just find it weird the OP would want L3 to be like L2, then come here saying WAR will be a grind. Makes no sense.
Body Snatchers ftw! I read some of the OP's previous posts to see where he was coming from. In one thread he said he hopes Lineage 3 is as hardcore as L2. He posts that, then comes here to say WAR is a grindfest. Alrighty then...
rofl there is a Lineage 3?
I guess they're developing it.
I just find it weird the OP would want L3 to be like L2, then come here saying WAR will be a grind. Makes no sense.
Sure it does. The OP came here to cause a stir, not because he actually cares about WAR. He succeeded.
Also they stated you don't even have to do quest. You can PvP from level 1 to max level. So you can already tell this game is going to just be a zergfest from launch with tons of people running around. If that's content... *shrug* Then I'm Mike Tyson. I guess we've been spoon fed less content then that and people still ponied up the cash.
You know, I remember hearing that you can PvP from level 1 in the game as well, but I haven't actually heard any details on that or whether they are keeping true to that statement. Does anyone know if this is in fact true or have any links to statements about it? Can you actually start to PvP and advance right out of the gate, or has that changed to require you to wait for a later character level?
Josh talks about being skeptical about leveling with PvP straight away, but he explains that he got to level 3 after just a few scenarios and level 12 a few days later through world PvP. So, yes, it's true. Though he also says the best route is of course doing PvP and PvE.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
This is the best PvP game to come out in years, if not ever. WoW does not stand a chance in the PvP department. Heck, as far as non-raiding goes, WAR is better in PvE as well. Keep reviewing games that aren't even out yet all you want. Millions of us will be proud Warhammer Online subscribers in the next couple of months.
If its not going to be a good game why do u have to go into forums and rub it in peoples faces who really arent going to care?
ur just wasting ur time. If u think an MMO without grinding and is fun will be out anytime soon i suggest u stop playing them all togeather because ur getting ur heart worked up over nothing but a lode of crap
Grinding, i have no problem with. It's what MMO company's do to take our money longer... BUT in return we get things like high end RvR and City Vs. City.
Your the kind of gamer that sits in there moms basement and talkes trash over Teamspeak and Ventrilo where you can't be held responsible for what you say about other people.
Like my moto, YOU have ur oppionion, and i have the right to think ur oppinion Sucks G.G. noob go cry in WoW
If its not going to be a good game why do u have to go into forums and rub it in peoples faces who really arent going to care? ur just wasting ur time. If u think an MMO without grinding and is fun will be out anytime soon i suggest u stop playing them all togeather because ur getting ur heart worked up over nothing but a lode of crap Grinding, i have no problem with. It's what MMO company's do to take our money longer... BUT in return we get things like high end RvR and City Vs. City.
Your the kind of gamer that sits in there moms basement and talkes trash over Teamspeak and Ventrilo where you can't be held responsible for what you say about other people. Like my moto, YOU have ur oppionion, and i have the right to think ur oppinion Sucks G.G. noob go cry in WoW
i think people kicked him out of WoW, which is why he said he 'quit' it and is on here...
The lack of world PvP objectives that actually mean something besides some PvE quest/buff or subpar items in endgame is laughable. Futhermore, they have packaged all the endgame PvP into 4 BGs and arenas. This has depleted world PvP together with the lack of world PvP objectives and flying mounts.
Besides ganking and incidental world PvP in the course of levelling or acquiring PvE based objectives, world PvP is a joke. The main problem was making it item and PvE orientated.
The ONE new PvP zone in WOTLK Lake Wintergrasp will probably be another transient, loot and scoot item grind and has come too little, too late.
Endgame PvP is 4 BGs + Arenas
The lack of expansion of PvP vs PvE is alarming. All WoW is doing is upgrading items sets without adding any new PvP content. In so 4 years there are only 4 BGs and Arena as the staple end-game PvP.
Face it, WoW is not a PvP centric game and never will be. They have made PvP into a casual friendly small circuit, instanced item grindfest.
Arenas were fun when they started but the gladiatorial style of PvP in now way substitutes for true MMO PvP entirely and should not.
WoW makes you play the same 4 BG and arena 2394023948023948240398 times. The reason being they are too lazy to implement new PvP content and try to draw out their existing content by making people play the same thing a gabazillion times. This farce continues as more arena seasons roll buy with casual friendly arena gear being handed out like candy.
They have no clue how to tackle or implement good large scale PvP content or add any PvP progression other than item based, and face it WoW isn't built for it either.
Alas,
Gone are the days of massive keep battles with upwards of 10 guild sieging a castle or keep.
Gone are the days of massive standoffs at takeover points where you see a frontline of massive amounts of people defending and attacking. Goading each other and trying to find weak spots to charge.
Gone is the realm pride where you coordinated with a ton of other people from different guilds with the same objectives to takeover the enemies key points and achieved it.
Gone is the comraderie that ensues when the horde enemy is nigh and you look at your realm mates next you you as you prepare for the final stand in a small room.
Gone are the tears of joy which erupt when the battle is won versus far superior number by skill, kiting and choke point control.
Bring back the days of ole, where sword over sword and staff over staff ring a hundred man strong along the battlefield.
Where hundreds of arrows whizz overhead as archers line the parapats of the castles and keeps defending them with their bows.
Bring back the days of massive battles, keep sieges and territory control.
Bring back truely massive player versus player combat.
sorry i dont regularly update my signature on game forums =(
Everyone calling you on your BS and you quote that guy. WTTroll...
Calling me on my BS? an opinion on a game that was clearly stated as an opinion that the game will be bad? QFT and GTFO bro, the game will be shit because it will be generic because everything that it's "implementing" has been done 400 times over and stuffed in the ass of each cow that's pre-subscribing for the epic awesome leet pack. the game is bad because it's old before it even came out.
Listen ,if you have that opinion when the game comes out and you actually sit down and play it. I won;t say a thing. Then thats your opinion. I do;t respect an opinion made about something they absolutely know nothing about.
See, I never played games like Runescape or Lineage or many other games. I never been in Aion beta. Those games don't seem "appealing" to me. But, I would never go jump into their forums and tell them how crappy the game is or going to be because normal people don't do that. I would neve comment on how crappy Aion's classes were, or how horrible the combat is cause I haven't experienced it.
Problem wow has is EVERYONE has played it so most can comment on it. So it always seems they are getting bashed. The truth is the bigger your fan base gets the bigger your critics base is.
So, wait till you make it out of grade school to post again, or just turn your computer off after you stopped grinding your 5th toon in WoW (which I don't understand why you would be doing that since their end game is so perfect).
You got to be the worst troll ever, even for WoW standards.
i'm 24
You should be embarrassed.
Warhammer Online Crnobog, The Black God Chaos Chosen <Guildless>
Indeed he should. I think you just summed up this thread with that retort. I thought only teenagers were juvenile attention seekers?
thats just a misconception, good 90% of the time that guy who ganks you for the nth time or is running around like a retart is prob above the age of 20
Warning: I am Dissing WAR I honestly forsee this game being very bad, ive researched it quite a bit and i'm sure this forum wouldnt agree with me seeing as im not gonna bash wow in this thread but i just forsee WAR being a big dissapointment, it's going to be a grind, no lie - dont tell yourself it wont be, beta gamers can vouche for it, not only will it be a grind, it'll be a slow grind, with classes overranking each other. Certain classes as in all games will be played over others, but in a game like this where things like the squig herder is against a shaman for dps it's obvious the shaman will be played more often "well it's all about your play style, that dictates what will be played over other classes" Not really!! look at other games, one class is always praised over others and with a system with this with so many "unique" classes *cough* old classes being renamed *cough* many gamers will be swayed into playing the highly advertised classes like the marauder and the shaman but in all honesty the game will just be another ticktacktoe grinder ( i dunno if that's a new term it just made sense to me) Tank goes in, dps goes in, healer heals, mob dead, rinse repeat Now to compare it to everyone's favorite ashtray WoW, people complain about battlegrounds in wow, but look at the pvp videos released on WAR it looks exactly like a battleground mixed with an fps kind of landscape so it's like runescape+gunz. I dunno about all of you but i really do just see this game being another pain of a grinder with lack luster quests being shaded by the idea that "lore makes a game" which is utter bull, look how succesful wow is - the only thing most gamers know about Warcraft lore was obtained from warcraft 1 through 3. So sure it'll have a ton of subscriptions.. i mean who isnt looking for something good? i'm just saying it wont live as long or as steadily as many other games such as everquest 2 or guild wars for that matter..
flame away
Disappointing. I would like to see reviews and opinions of the game, both good and bad, but you need to review it in terms of Realm vs Realm, not a break down of what class you might or might not want to play.
you are probably THE MOST FUCKING RETARDED person i have ever seen post on these forums, or anywhere on the damn internet. You cannot say it is going to be a major grind when you have things like public quests and every quest you do helps with the war effort....and you say that WoW isn't a grind??? its a massive grind....and the pvp sucks and WAR is going to have everything WoW has and more, except for large raids but GUESS WHAT with WotLK raids are going 10man, and although there will still be 25man versions, i bet you are going to find less 25man raiders than in BT....and about beta players can vouche for it being a grind, im in beta and its not a damn grind and ITS STILL IN BETA.
but pepsi does own the hell outta coke, i gotta give ya that
forums are used to express opinions, i'd like to see what people actually beleive, but most people see cute screenshots and say "holy hell this game is gonna be teh kingz mein, i haz pre-ordered it"
A good number of us are in beta could argue with you but we can't. We could be we can't.
But it sounds to me like you just don't MMORPGs. How much would it cost to try it? The price of two dinners? It's new, many people playing say it's great? So what not just try it and then judge? I mean really.
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Body Snatchers ftw!
I read some of the OP's previous posts to see where he was coming from. In one thread he said he hopes Lineage 3 is as hardcore as L2. He posts that, then comes here to say WAR is a grindfest.
Alrighty then...
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rofl there is a Lineage 3?
rofl there is a Lineage 3?
I guess they're developing it.
I just find it weird the OP would want L3 to be like L2, then come here saying WAR will be a grind. Makes no sense.
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rofl there is a Lineage 3?
I guess they're developing it.
I just find it weird the OP would want L3 to be like L2, then come here saying WAR will be a grind. Makes no sense.
Sure it does. The OP came here to cause a stir, not because he actually cares about WAR. He succeeded.
Always change your signature.
You know, I remember hearing that you can PvP from level 1 in the game as well, but I haven't actually heard any details on that or whether they are keeping true to that statement. Does anyone know if this is in fact true or have any links to statements about it? Can you actually start to PvP and advance right out of the gate, or has that changed to require you to wait for a later character level?
One of the devs didn't believe it!
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/39378
Josh talks about being skeptical about leveling with PvP straight away, but he explains that he got to level 3 after just a few scenarios and level 12 a few days later through world PvP. So, yes, it's true. Though he also says the best route is of course doing PvP and PvE.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Didn't read it. Don't care.
This is the best PvP game to come out in years, if not ever. WoW does not stand a chance in the PvP department. Heck, as far as non-raiding goes, WAR is better in PvE as well. Keep reviewing games that aren't even out yet all you want. Millions of us will be proud Warhammer Online subscribers in the next couple of months.
FOR THE EMPEROR!
heh 3 hours later and it's still goin, thanks for the useful feedback
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
If its not going to be a good game why do u have to go into forums and rub it in peoples faces who really arent going to care?
ur just wasting ur time. If u think an MMO without grinding and is fun will be out anytime soon i suggest u stop playing them all togeather because ur getting ur heart worked up over nothing but a lode of crap
Grinding, i have no problem with. It's what MMO company's do to take our money longer... BUT in return we get things like high end RvR and City Vs. City.
Your the kind of gamer that sits in there moms basement and talkes trash over Teamspeak and Ventrilo where you can't be held responsible for what you say about other people.
Like my moto, YOU have ur oppionion, and i have the right to think ur oppinion Sucks G.G. noob go cry in WoW
WAAAAAAGH
i think people kicked him out of WoW, which is why he said he 'quit' it and is on here...
Well, I just got home from work and read through all 12 pages of this nonsense.
All I have to say is..... Why so serious?
I applaud you for your efforts Mr. OP, but your thread just failed miserably.
STOP WHINING!
The Ultimate Failure of WoW PvP
No Massive Objective Based World PvP
The lack of world PvP objectives that actually mean something besides some PvE quest/buff or subpar items in endgame is laughable. Futhermore, they have packaged all the endgame PvP into 4 BGs and arenas. This has depleted world PvP together with the lack of world PvP objectives and flying mounts.
Besides ganking and incidental world PvP in the course of levelling or acquiring PvE based objectives, world PvP is a joke. The main problem was making it item and PvE orientated.
The ONE new PvP zone in WOTLK Lake Wintergrasp will probably be another transient, loot and scoot item grind and has come too little, too late.
Endgame PvP is 4 BGs + Arenas
The lack of expansion of PvP vs PvE is alarming. All WoW is doing is upgrading items sets without adding any new PvP content. In so 4 years there are only 4 BGs and Arena as the staple end-game PvP.
Face it, WoW is not a PvP centric game and never will be. They have made PvP into a casual friendly small circuit, instanced item grindfest.
Arenas were fun when they started but the gladiatorial style of PvP in now way substitutes for true MMO PvP entirely and should not.
WoW makes you play the same 4 BG and arena 2394023948023948240398 times. The reason being they are too lazy to implement new PvP content and try to draw out their existing content by making people play the same thing a gabazillion times. This farce continues as more arena seasons roll buy with casual friendly arena gear being handed out like candy.
They have no clue how to tackle or implement good large scale PvP content or add any PvP progression other than item based, and face it WoW isn't built for it either.
Alas,
Gone are the days of massive keep battles with upwards of 10 guild sieging a castle or keep.
Gone are the days of massive standoffs at takeover points where you see a frontline of massive amounts of people defending and attacking. Goading each other and trying to find weak spots to charge.
Gone is the realm pride where you coordinated with a ton of other people from different guilds with the same objectives to takeover the enemies key points and achieved it.
Gone is the comraderie that ensues when the horde enemy is nigh and you look at your realm mates next you you as you prepare for the final stand in a small room.
Gone are the tears of joy which erupt when the battle is won versus far superior number by skill, kiting and choke point control.
Bring back the days of ole, where sword over sword and staff over staff ring a hundred man strong along the battlefield.
Where hundreds of arrows whizz overhead as archers line the parapats of the castles and keeps defending them with their bows.
Bring back the days of massive battles, keep sieges and territory control.
Bring back truely massive player versus player combat.
wow world pvp =
WHY SO SERIOUS SON?
Wow this topic is still open and alive?
Well....
sorry i dont regularly update my signature on game forums =(
Everyone calling you on your BS and you quote that guy. WTTroll...
Calling me on my BS? an opinion on a game that was clearly stated as an opinion that the game will be bad? QFT and GTFO bro, the game will be shit because it will be generic because everything that it's "implementing" has been done 400 times over and stuffed in the ass of each cow that's pre-subscribing for the epic awesome leet pack. the game is bad because it's old before it even came out.
Listen ,if you have that opinion when the game comes out and you actually sit down and play it. I won;t say a thing. Then thats your opinion. I do;t respect an opinion made about something they absolutely know nothing about.
See, I never played games like Runescape or Lineage or many other games. I never been in Aion beta. Those games don't seem "appealing" to me. But, I would never go jump into their forums and tell them how crappy the game is or going to be because normal people don't do that. I would neve comment on how crappy Aion's classes were, or how horrible the combat is cause I haven't experienced it.
Problem wow has is EVERYONE has played it so most can comment on it. So it always seems they are getting bashed. The truth is the bigger your fan base gets the bigger your critics base is.
So, wait till you make it out of grade school to post again, or just turn your computer off after you stopped grinding your 5th toon in WoW (which I don't understand why you would be doing that since their end game is so perfect).
You got to be the worst troll ever, even for WoW standards.
i'm 24
You should be embarrassed.
Warhammer Online
Crnobog, The Black God
Chaos Chosen
<Guildless>
You should be embarrassed.
Indeed he should. I think you just summed up this thread with that retort. I thought only teenagers were juvenile attention seekers?
You should be embarrassed.
Indeed he should. I think you just summed up this thread with that retort. I thought only teenagers were juvenile attention seekers?
thats just a misconception, good 90% of the time that guy who ganks you for the nth time or is running around like a retart is prob above the age of 20
You should be embarrassed.
Indeed he should. I think you just summed up this thread with that retort. I thought only teenagers were juvenile attention seekers?
My guess is too much TV. Ever read a book without pictures?
Based on 13 pages of text, I'm thinking more than a few people took the troll-bait.
Disappointing. I would like to see reviews and opinions of the game, both good and bad, but you need to review it in terms of Realm vs Realm, not a break down of what class you might or might not want to play.
Totally Agree...*goes back to watching time tick by wanting to get off work to go back n play*
you are probably THE MOST FUCKING RETARDED person i have ever seen post on these forums, or anywhere on the damn internet. You cannot say it is going to be a major grind when you have things like public quests and every quest you do helps with the war effort....and you say that WoW isn't a grind??? its a massive grind....and the pvp sucks and WAR is going to have everything WoW has and more, except for large raids but GUESS WHAT with WotLK raids are going 10man, and although there will still be 25man versions, i bet you are going to find less 25man raiders than in BT....and about beta players can vouche for it being a grind, im in beta and its not a damn grind and ITS STILL IN BETA.
but pepsi does own the hell outta coke, i gotta give ya that
A good number of us are in beta could argue with you but we can't. We could be we can't.
But it sounds to me like you just don't MMORPGs. How much would it cost to try it? The price of two dinners? It's new, many people playing say it's great? So what not just try it and then judge? I mean really.