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I really can't handle the stupidity anymore.
Pr0tag0ni5t
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I have been reading these forums for years now (I read I don't post) and everyday, probably since about a year after its release, every new game has been heralded the 'WoW killer'. Can you please just stop. All you have to do is look at the track record of all the games that have been hyped this way and you will see how dumb and completely ignorant you look when you claim a game will destroy WoW. The only company that WILL take the top spot from WoW is Blizzard themselves, with a new title. If you think they aren't working on one?...well you are more dumb than I origially thought.
What ever medium you want to trust as far as who or how many are playing what MMORPG....they all say the same thing....WoW is at the top..and not just hanging on for dear life but in first place by a significant amount. So saying AoC, LOTRO, EVE, WAR, Darkfall, Aion or what ever game you want to put your hope in its not going to happen.
I am not asking you to like WoW or play WoW but please just leave it out of the disscussion when you are talking about sub. numbers. WoW has set the standard and no matter how you want to spin the numbers you just make yourself look stupid when you say WoW is going down. Reality is the amount of the MMO community that thinks WoW sucks is very small...compared to the number of actual people that play MMO's. Unsatisfied players are just louder than those that are content with the game they are playing. Kind of similar to a baby when it wants something....whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
I guess I'm asking alot to have people be rational and live in reality when we are all trying to find the ultimate fantasy world to live in. 
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I didn't really start posting until recently (mainly due to WAR as I'm a mythic what do they call it? fanboi? just because I like the company.) I like to sit there and read other peoples posts lol
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I agree with you but mmo killer topics are ancient
PreWOW -- everyone would talk about what would be the EQ killer
(and nothing touched Everquest in the North America market until WOW)
WOWs not going anywhere but fans of other games can hope that their game will be
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Yeah Minocin I used to come here to get accurate and intelligent disscussion on current and up and coming games from a community of fellow MMO'ers but that has been long gone
But aside from that War looks promising my only worry is the lopsided numbers for order vs. chaos
I feel a far more people will be playing chaos over order.
But WAR really is a WoW killer. Just stating the obvious.
/shrug
Nadia I also agree with you..but my only contrast is Everquest had no real compitetion you either played UO or Everquest. WoW has plenty of competition most with that goal in mind to uncrown the king.
SInjin I guess you are right then you can say someday...'Hey I told you so!!!'
But then there is reality and history and well they say otherwise.
I'd Have to disagree with you OP. A company can make a game that is more popular then WoW and sell more its just a matter of making a game that people from across the globe can releate to and play. Warcraft is a well established title so a MMO about Warcraft will be reconized across the globe and be able to pull the same numbers. The easy playablity of WoW keeps its gamers and new ones just try to mimic what WoW only copied from other games and made simpler. (hmm dunno if that made sense) But in the end WoW just was released at the right time and had the right ingredients to make it sucessful. Even you as a FANBOI can create a WOW KILLER. But if i was a devoloper and i wanted to create a WoW killer i would make it free to play the first 10 or 15 levels or so make it where u only pay the monthly fee from the start and have a good ass game behind it. Most of the reason why there is no wow killer yet is because u still have to go buy a damn 50 dollar game and you have half of the people who like it and the other half who dont and ripp that game a new one because they spent 50 dollars. Making a MMO free to play first 10-15 levels would eliminate that and not having to pay 50 dollars would please both sides of the table but mainly the people who dont like the game because they didnt have to pay 50 dollars to play a game for a week and it become a brick.
yeah it does get old when people start hyping a game that they nothing about, as being better then blah blah blah MMO's. I mean wtf who cares? I don't like wow but I could careless if its still tops 10 years from now. I play the games I play and do not care if 10 million others like those games or not.
I guess if you mean your clueless, the yeah it's pretty obvious.
WAR may or may not be successful depending on how you define success, but WAR doesn't have the following tha the war-craft series did and because of that won't be anywhere near the success that WOW is. Doesn't matter if WAR ends up being a better game or not.
indeed i played WoW 10minutes and said wtf this is EQ and doesnt even look that good either. exited game and then went to control panel and uninstalled. WoW can have 1 BILLION subs it still won't ever see my business.
I am sick to death of reading a post about a new and upcoming game being heralded the WOW killer, Its total and utter crap just wait and see what happens on release. Just like the OP said if you look at the track record of ANY game being called the WOW killer it has gotton no where near the amount of subs/sales expected by the WOW killer crew.
That was random but anyone who has to go out and make the money for teh games they pay for will agree that in the end it si your money and you should spend it where you want to spend it not because someone else says it si awesome, try before you buy and if a game does not give a free trial there has to be a reason if they give away free trials that look too good to be true than be weary there has to be a reason for this as well.
As for a any game killing another game, if the company that owned a game treated thier customers with respect and good service and a high quality product no other company would be able to take return service from them, "basic business".
no competition in North America?
preWOW, Post Everquest there was
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Asherons Call
Asherons Calls 2
Anarchy Online
EVE
City of Heroes
Lineage
Lineage 2
Final Fantasy Online
Dark Age of Camelot (predicted to be an EQ killer)
Shadowbane (hehe I remember people predicting this to be a EQ kiler)
Horizons
and probably more I cant remember
even Boston Globe wrote this article, Pre WOW, that there were too many games, not enough gamers
Flood of games, too few players cause change in online realm
www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/02
/19/flood_of_games_too_few_players_cause_change_in_online_realm/
article cites why Microsoft pulled the plug on Mythica because it could not compete
-- and WOW did not exist yet ...
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in comparison,
WOW has not faced many new mmo since it launched in 2004
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no competition in North America?
preWOW, Post Everquest there was
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Asherons Call
Asherons Calls 2
Anarchy Online
EVE
City of Heroes
Lineage
Lineage 2
Final Fantasy Online
Dark Age of Camelot (predicted to be an EQ killer)
Shadowbane (hehe I remember people predicting this to be a EQ kiler)
Horizons
and probably more I cant remember
even Boston Globe wrote this article, Pre WOW, that there were too many games, not enough gamers
Flood of games, too few players cause change in online realm
www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/02
/19/flood_of_games_too_few_players_cause_change_in_online_realm/
article cites why Microsoft pulled the plug on Mythica because it could not compete
-- and WOW did not exist yet ...
And to be honest none of those games stood a chance vs EQ except mayb DAoC
indeed i played WoW 10minutes and said wtf this is EQ and doesnt even look that good either. exited game and then went to control panel and uninstalled. WoW can have 1 BILLION subs it still won't ever see my business.
That's pretty much where I'm coming from. When WOW came out I had already stoped playing EQ and had moved onto the "next generation." When I betaed WOW I felt it was a bit like EQ and it really didn't interest me (that and other reasons). But, I loved EQ when I played it it makes since that the WOW players would too.
People claiming this or that game is going to "kill" WOW just can't see what WOW did that made them a success. WOW brought millions of new people into the MMO industry through their following of the Warcraft game. All WOW had to do was not screw it up and Blizzard made a game that was solid and playable.I That's soming thing that these WOW "Killers" don't have. They don't have millions of people waiting to play their next game, reguardless of what that game might be. Not to mention the games with the biggest hype over the last 3+ years that have released have been mismanaged crap that was harfly even playable,
The first linage destroyed EQ in subs...of course they were almost all Korean players.
What? seriously that's crazy. There have been many...a lot of them very anticipated. They just ended up not being very good games.
I agree -- so did Final Fantasy Online
thats why I specified the North American market,
altho I'm confident I could include Europe too
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What? seriously that's crazy. There have been many...a lot of them very anticipated. They just ended up not being very good games.
I listed 11 mmos that launched *after* Everquest, I'll subtract one because Lineage already existed
can you list 10 commercial mmos that launched post-WOW? and if so, what are they ?
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What? seriously that's crazy. There have been many...a lot of them very anticipated. They just ended up not being very good games.
I listed 11 mmos that launched *after* Everquest, I'll subtract one because Lineage already existed
can you list 10 commercial mmos that launched post-WOW? and if so, what are they ?
(Everquest II) Actually this launched early November and WoW launched late November 2004 so they are essentially a simultaneous realease)
Pirates of the Burning Sea
Vanguard
(City of Heroes - nope launched April before WoW so removed) /Villains (which launched after WoW)
Ryl (ugh)
Archlord
Sword of the New World
The Matrix
Guild Wars
Tabula Rasa
RF Online
Dark and Light
D&D
Lord of the Rings
Age of Conan
Auto Assault
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
No. A fanboi would be someone who ignores logic in support of their game. Logic and statistics and the law of probability stand with the OP.
Although I do know what the next WoW killer will be.
Blizzard is working on a new "next-gen" MMO. Once they release that, that game will compete with WoW. Not before then. You might want to save this post so you can come back and think, "That guy was so right! He was years ahead of his time!" When in fact all I had to do was apply logic.
Logic meaning this isn't Blizzards first #1 PC game, and their track records show it won't be their last. Diablo 2 sold over 13 million copies. Starcraft was the #1 PC game for years, and sold over 9 million copies. Do I need to go further? Blizzard knows what it is doing.
more than I expected
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EQ2 launched 11/08 2 weeks before WOW 11/23
but I see your point
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I guess if you mean your clueless, the yeah it's pretty obvious.
WAR may or may not be successful depending on how you define success, but WAR doesn't have the following tha the war-craft series did and because of that won't be anywhere near the success that WOW is. Doesn't matter if WAR ends up being a better game or not.
Yea I guess 25 years worth of minatures, books, comics, RPG gaming books, boardgames, being loved and cherished by various large gaming communities across the globe, and video games doesn't build much of a following.
/sarcasm off.
Warcraft got the pc gaming fans of Blizzard...and eventually a bunch of new comers that've never played MMOS..but techincally those newcommers were not part of the 'following' at launch which is all that matters (current followers shouldn't count since we're talking launch vs launch) they weren't pre existing.
Warhammer has a far larger pre existing following in Multiple Markets. Blizz only branched out to multiple markets when WoW got big.
I'm not saying WAR will be a WoW killer infact i could careless. I do how ever believe WAR will be incredibly successful and help the MMO market continue to grow and expand in its game style choices whereas lately its been completely stagnant.
The kiddies that argue over whether a game can kill wow are day dreamers. WoW has been around for a while and has a legion of subscribers 5 million+ people wont just quit a game over night to play some new game. WoW will like every other MMO have an eventual population decline but like every MMO it'll still have a player base large enough to support it. Players can't kill MMOs...Developers how ever can. IF anyone is going to kill WoW it'll be Blizz when they shut off the power.
I agree with the OP tho the WoW Killer mentality in posting is just retarded and a waste of space. A new game won't suddenly launch with 10+ million players not even WoW did that.