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  • pdxgeekpdxgeek Member Posts: 585
    Originally posted by Kazara

    Originally posted by pdxgeek

    Originally posted by Kazara

    Originally posted by pdxgeek

    Originally posted by Gutboy

    Originally posted by akevv


    I think it would be extremely foolish to invest real $$$ in anything provided by SOE. Have they not proven, OVER AND OVER, that they have no respect whatsoever for a player's virtual property and progress? Now, they expect you to spend additional cash on cards? That is ludicrous. Did the game get any cheaper per month? Is this not equivalent to raising the price of a subscription? Items that should have been in the game are now available, but for an extra fee? YOU SUBSCRIBERS ARE ACTUALLY OK WITH THIS? Wow, is all I can say.



     

    Hi

     

    THERE IS NO EXTRA FEE FOR THE CARD GAME

    PERIOD

     

    So the cards are free?



     

    Active SWG accounts get a free booster pack(s) every month or so, in which all 'free' cards are no trade. If you want more booster packs (most are looking for loot cards), then those packs will cost you. Bought cards are tradable, even the loot ones. I have read that once a bought loot card is redeemed, then item becomes no trade.

    Right so to get any benefit out of the card game (loot cards) there is a cost. Therefore it's yet another SOE scam.

    It is only a scam to those willing to spend untold amounts of money in their quest for the newest and rarest 'shiny' that only the loot cards can give. Each booster pack cost $2.99 US, or the bargain box of 36 packs for $99.99 US.

    It's a scam because you can only get the items by spending money on top of your regular monthly subscription. What's even sadder is that they are trying to pass it off as content for the players.

  • Bob_BlawblawBob_Blawblaw Member Posts: 1,278
    Originally posted by pdxgeek

    Originally posted by Kazara

    Originally posted by pdxgeek

    Originally posted by Kazara

    Originally posted by pdxgeek

    Originally posted by Gutboy

    Originally posted by akevv


    I think it would be extremely foolish to invest real $$$ in anything provided by SOE. Have they not proven, OVER AND OVER, that they have no respect whatsoever for a player's virtual property and progress? Now, they expect you to spend additional cash on cards? That is ludicrous. Did the game get any cheaper per month? Is this not equivalent to raising the price of a subscription? Items that should have been in the game are now available, but for an extra fee? YOU SUBSCRIBERS ARE ACTUALLY OK WITH THIS? Wow, is all I can say.



     

    Hi

     

    THERE IS NO EXTRA FEE FOR THE CARD GAME

    PERIOD

     

    So the cards are free?



     

    Active SWG accounts get a free booster pack(s) every month or so, in which all 'free' cards are no trade. If you want more booster packs (most are looking for loot cards), then those packs will cost you. Bought cards are tradable, even the loot ones. I have read that once a bought loot card is redeemed, then item becomes no trade.

    Right so to get any benefit out of the card game (loot cards) there is a cost. Therefore it's yet another SOE scam.

    It is only a scam to those willing to spend untold amounts of money in their quest for the newest and rarest 'shiny' that only the loot cards can give. Each booster pack cost $2.99 US, or the bargain box of 36 packs for $99.99 US.

    It's a scam because you can only get the items by spending money on top of your regular monthly subscription. What's even sadder is that they are trying to pass it off as content for the players.

     

    Exhibit A

    And since they'll likely remove the thread as they've been doing over at the Oboards when somebody brings this up...

     






    Wing Commander



    Joined: Jul 2, 2005

    Messages: 491

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    /scratches head

    /flamesuit on

    Ok...

    I spend years collecting resourses to feed the masses weapons/armor. In order to compete with others/no decay, I have to sell said items for really cheap.

    (No disrespect) New Guildmate (played less than 3 months) buys 10 packs of cards. Gets 2 loot cards and sells them both for a combined mass of 400mil.

    Is it just me, or did this game just become "Hey ,I bought a pack of cards full of rare game loots and content that you'll never get to craft."

    All they did was bust the stitches to get a little more blood out.

    /rant off

  • KazaraKazara Member UncommonPosts: 1,086
    Originally posted by pdxgeek

    Originally posted by Kazara

    Originally posted by pdxgeek

    Originally posted by Kazara

    Originally posted by pdxgeek

    Originally posted by Gutboy

    Originally posted by akevv


    I think it would be extremely foolish to invest real $$$ in anything provided by SOE. Have they not proven, OVER AND OVER, that they have no respect whatsoever for a player's virtual property and progress? Now, they expect you to spend additional cash on cards? That is ludicrous. Did the game get any cheaper per month? Is this not equivalent to raising the price of a subscription? Items that should have been in the game are now available, but for an extra fee? YOU SUBSCRIBERS ARE ACTUALLY OK WITH THIS? Wow, is all I can say.



     

    Hi

     

    THERE IS NO EXTRA FEE FOR THE CARD GAME

    PERIOD

     

    So the cards are free?



     

    Active SWG accounts get a free booster pack(s) every month or so, in which all 'free' cards are no trade. If you want more booster packs (most are looking for loot cards), then those packs will cost you. Bought cards are tradable, even the loot ones. I have read that once a bought loot card is redeemed, then item becomes no trade.

    Right so to get any benefit out of the card game (loot cards) there is a cost. Therefore it's yet another SOE scam.

    It is only a scam to those willing to spend untold amounts of money in their quest for the newest and rarest 'shiny' that only the loot cards can give. Each booster pack cost $2.99 US, or the bargain box of 36 packs for $99.99 US.

    It's a scam because you can only get the items by spending money on top of your regular monthly subscription. What's even sadder is that they are trying to pass it off as content for the players.



    You still get the slight chance of getting a loot card(s) in the free monthly booster packs, but it may not necessarily be one that your character can use, nor can it be traded.

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  • EbenEmaelEbenEmael Member Posts: 334

         I would not doubt that SOE will manipulate the chances of getting a rare item from the booster packs. Higher chances of getting something from the packs that you buy.

  • KazaraKazara Member UncommonPosts: 1,086
    Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

    Originally posted by pdxgeek

    Originally posted by Kazara

    Originally posted by pdxgeek

    Originally posted by Kazara

    Originally posted by pdxgeek

    Originally posted by Gutboy

    Originally posted by akevv


    I think it would be extremely foolish to invest real $$$ in anything provided by SOE. Have they not proven, OVER AND OVER, that they have no respect whatsoever for a player's virtual property and progress? Now, they expect you to spend additional cash on cards? That is ludicrous. Did the game get any cheaper per month? Is this not equivalent to raising the price of a subscription? Items that should have been in the game are now available, but for an extra fee? YOU SUBSCRIBERS ARE ACTUALLY OK WITH THIS? Wow, is all I can say.



     

    Hi

     

    THERE IS NO EXTRA FEE FOR THE CARD GAME

    PERIOD

     

    So the cards are free?



     

    Active SWG accounts get a free booster pack(s) every month or so, in which all 'free' cards are no trade. If you want more booster packs (most are looking for loot cards), then those packs will cost you. Bought cards are tradable, even the loot ones. I have read that once a bought loot card is redeemed, then item becomes no trade.

    Right so to get any benefit out of the card game (loot cards) there is a cost. Therefore it's yet another SOE scam.

    It is only a scam to those willing to spend untold amounts of money in their quest for the newest and rarest 'shiny' that only the loot cards can give. Each booster pack cost $2.99 US, or the bargain box of 36 packs for $99.99 US.

    It's a scam because you can only get the items by spending money on top of your regular monthly subscription. What's even sadder is that they are trying to pass it off as content for the players.

     

    Exhibit A

    And since they'll likely remove the thread as they've been doing over at the Oboards when somebody brings this up...

     






    Wing Commander



    Joined: Jul 2, 2005

    Messages: 491

    Offline

    /scratches head

    /flamesuit on

    Ok...

    I spend years collecting resourses to feed the masses weapons/armor. In order to compete with others/no decay, I have to sell said items for really cheap.

    (No disrespect) New Guildmate (played less than 3 months) buys 10 packs of cards. Gets 2 loot cards and sells them both for a combined mass of 400mil.

    Is it just me, or did this game just become "Hey ,I bought a pack of cards full of rare game loots and content that you'll never get to craft."

    All they did was bust the stitches to get a little more blood out.

    /rant off



    Regular, crafted goods are no longer bring in the big bucks...loot does. Now the only way to get this rare loot is to eaither buy booster packs (God knows how many), or wait month to month as the free booster packs roll in and cross your fingers that a loot card appears. Then, only the players who forked out the cash for extra booster packs can sell any loot cards he/she may receive for an instant fortune. The game started as a playerbase economy focused on crafted items, then it went to a loot based economy....now there is all out 'gambling' for loot cards that will fetch some of the highest prices in the game. $OE can't figure out how to fix, let alone properly manage, SWG, but they certainly can come up with ways to bleed willing players. The impact on the trader professions or economy is of little concern to $OE.

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  • pdxgeekpdxgeek Member Posts: 585
    Originally posted by Kazara

     The impact on the trader professions or economy is of little concern to $OE.

    It's been a looooooooooooooong time since crafters were any concern to SOE.

  • ArcAngel3ArcAngel3 Member Posts: 2,931
    Originally posted by Gutboy


    A vast majority of players I interact with in the game have zero interest in the actual card game, the free 5 packs of cards you get each month for just having a subscription are fine, we just claim the loot as it appears and dump the other actual playing cards.
    The loot is mostly deco items, a few new speeders, the pod racer and nothing that actually effects core gameplay. It's all fluff, if someone wants to be Johnny badass trading card gamer and spend more cash to get better playing cards more power to them.
    Do you guys jump down on the dude at McDonalds for asking if you want the large fries? (microtransaction)
     



     

    So the Gorax card that gives you stat bonuses (+200 constitution and +200 luck) is "all fluff?"  It's not fluff.  It affects combat ability, and you just lied to everyone on these boards, and yeah, I'm calling you on it.

    Fluff is the decoration stuff you mentioned, but you went on to say "all" the trading card items are like that.  I think you owe everyone an apology.  If you think lying to customers is going to help this game's population, you need to reflect on its history.

  • DracusDracus Member Posts: 1,449
    Originally posted by pdxgeek


    Right so to get any benefit out of the card game (loot cards) there is a cost. Therefore it's yet another SOE scam.

    And those cards are subject to changes.

    And that is why...

    Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.

  • DracusDracus Member Posts: 1,449
    Originally posted by ArcAngel3



    So the Gorax card that gives you stat bonuses (+200 constitution and +200 luck) is "all fluff?"  It's not fluff.  It affects combat ability, and you just lied to everyone on these boards, and yeah, I'm calling you on it.

    So in other words, real money can be used to have impact in the game world and combat ability... great. 

    So in addition to a top end subscription plan there are micro-payments.



    So then... when are those advertisements going to pop in (of course not passing the savings to the customer)?

    And that is why...

    Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.

  • BurntvetBurntvet Member RarePosts: 3,465

    When was the last time a new craftable vehicle was introduced? Years? New Clothing? Anything for crafters that was not in there before? And don't come back with that GU5 WS stuff either, nothing was actually added, the system was just stupided down like armor was in the CU. A few craftable marauder armor piece was it (which looked like garbage anyway), and you had to do a bunch of stupid Meatlump theme park crap to do that.

    Thankfully, my free trial ended....

    SWG is not for adults, or anyone who likes to think. It is for the kiddies only. Only they would be stupid enough to fall for this backdoor RMT dressed up as a card game. Hope Mommy and Daddy lock up their credit card....

  • VaziVazi Member Posts: 32
    Originally posted by Gutboy

    Originally posted by Vazi

    Originally posted by Gutboy


    A vast majority of players I interact with in the game have zero interest in the actual card game, the free 5 packs of cards you get each month for just having a subscription are fine, we just claim the loot as it appears and dump the other actual playing cards.
    The loot is mostly deco items, a few new speeders, the pod racer and nothing that actually effects core gameplay. It's all fluff, if someone wants to be Johnny badass trading card gamer and spend more cash to get better playing cards more power to them.
    Do you guys jump down on the dude at McDonalds for asking if you want the large fries? (microtransaction)
     

    Im sorry but your totally wrong there are loot cards that you get that will affect gameplay. I just pulled the gorax card and its a plus 200 constitution and 200 luck for 3 minutes! The free 5 packs of cards are not free as I recall you have to have a subscription to play the game thats not free.

     

    You can spin this however you want to but the older players understand this is not free and its a added fee put onto a monthly fee and will affect the core game. Feel free to spin it like you want the older generation Star wars fans are not buying it!

    There is no additional fee associated with the card game, my $14.99 a month for an account has not increased. The gorax shard is no different than the one you can get from musty.

     

    And for the record I am an "older player" in every sense of the phrase, I have played since launch day and I am 47 years old. The card game is totally free to any person who has a active SWG account, please tell me where they are getting any additional money from this unless the player wants to buy cards.

     

    If its free then I should be able to play it with no sub! Its not free if I have to pay for a subscription to even play! As for the gorax shard and the gorax card they work on seprate timers since they are 2 seprate items. There are other cards as well that affect combat class's for buffs. This was one that I personally know of that I have seen myself. If need be ill give a list of items that are with the first set of cards that change combat.

     

    And for the record you were 21 years old when the first Star Wars movie came out. Not at all knocking you for enjoying or being a fan of Star Wars at all here.

    You asked were are they getting additonal money from this? There are cards out there that work on seprate timers that you can obtain making players have more of a advantage then players who dont have these cards.  How many players out there do you really think there is that WANT to buy cards? Now ask this question how many players out there want to be the best at the game they play and have a equall playing field? I think the second question above you will see outweigh's the first in numbers!

    Players have been told time and time again one of the reason's we got the NGE was it was easier to balance 9 prof instead of 32 prof! Again this card game gives unbalance to the game that never had any balance at all even with 9 prof! SOE wants us to pay actuall money to try to balance proffessions. If we pay no telling how much we can be better combat players then the ones who dont.

    This is just a small start of it all. Will there be more cards that bring unbalance to the profession's? You bet!! Are all the cards just fluff? In no way there are some of them are yes but not all of them they do change combat. Just like before the TCG game was released the fanboys said that this was not going to affect our current developers for SWG. When it was placed on our servers it affected the game and it still does to this day! We have more crashes and more problems that our current Dev team is working on due to this TCG game.

    Just beacause it sounds right in your head does not mean it sounds right in other's! Ill say this again you can try to spin it however you want to but bottom line is the cards are not all Fluff and there will be more that will change combat characters in the future. Im not into a game that I have played 5 years to be changed to pay as I go and monthly fees. If the cards were actually all fluff like you stated they were then thats fine there would be no complaints but there not and more will be coming soon!

    PS my second language is english so there might be some mistakes in my typing im sorry for that working hard to get better at it!!

  • GutboyGutboy Member Posts: 630

    A three minute buff on a hour cooldown that provides 1600 health, 400 action and 200 luck is not gamebreaking, in fact for people who have the musty shards I would say 99.99% of them are never used in combat since our toolbars are already so full.

    And for the record I was 16 when Star Wars was first released in 1977.

    And when I say free, it's free to current subscribers as an additional feature. There are some players who will never activate the game even to claim the free stuff (read that today on the forums).

     

  • VaziVazi Member Posts: 32

    Lets take a look at another card as well! This one is called the Muur Talisman 200 constitution,stamina,strength,precision for 3 minutes. The cooldown timer on this one is also 1 hour and players still want to call this fluff lol! Please keep spinning this one and the other ones that will also come that will affect combat as well!

  • xacovaxacova Member Posts: 190
    Originally posted by Vazi


    Lets take a look at another card as well! This one is called the Muur Talisman 200 constitution,stamina,strength,precision for 3 minutes. The cooldown timer on this one is also 1 hour and players still want to call this fluff lol! Please keep spinning this one and the other ones that will also come that will affect combat as well!



     

    Totaly agree, this is just the start, let see what else becomes available in the future no amount of spin can hide the blatant tactics $OE are employing here , Bob_Blawblaw  post of exihibit a  sums the scene up totaly for me.

  • BogieBogie Member UncommonPosts: 65

    Just was wondering how someone can get excited about a online card trading game?

    Bogie

    Corellian Run
    Jedi Sentinel

  • TeknoBugTeknoBug Member UncommonPosts: 2,156


    Originally posted by Vazi

    And for the record you were 21 years old when the first Star Wars movie came out. Not at all knocking you for enjoying or being a fan of Star Wars at all here.

    Your calculator's broken.

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  • SuvrocSuvroc Member Posts: 2,383
    Originally posted by Bogie


    Just was wondering how someone can get excited about a online card trading game?



     

    Well I think that's the point. No one is really interested in the card game component (as far as I can tell), but rather what the "loot" cards give you ingame.

  • BogieBogie Member UncommonPosts: 65

    Thanks Survoc,

    But that's still not going to bring me back to the game.  Seems kind of dumb to me.

    Bogie

    Corellian Run
    Jedi Sentinel

  • HastorHadronHastorHadron Member Posts: 187
    Originally posted by Suvroc

    Originally posted by Bogie


    Just was wondering how someone can get excited about a online card trading game?



     

    Well I think that's the point. No one is really interested in the card game component (as far as I can tell), but rather what the "loot" cards give you ingame.

     

    I don't get it... but lots of people are playing the card game... meh...

     

  • SuvrocSuvroc Member Posts: 2,383
    Originally posted by HastorHadron

    Originally posted by Suvroc

    Originally posted by Bogie


    Just was wondering how someone can get excited about a online card trading game?



     

    Well I think that's the point. No one is really interested in the card game component (as far as I can tell), but rather what the "loot" cards give you ingame.

     

    I don't get it... but lots of people are playing the card game... meh...

     



     

    Perhaps you're right but I've not seen any discussions related to playing it. Seems the discussions I see are related to what loot people have gotten from the cards.

  • xacovaxacova Member Posts: 190
    Originally posted by Suvroc

    Originally posted by HastorHadron

    Originally posted by Suvroc

    Originally posted by Bogie


    Just was wondering how someone can get excited about a online card trading game?



     

    Well I think that's the point. No one is really interested in the card game component (as far as I can tell), but rather what the "loot" cards give you ingame.

     

    I don't get it... but lots of people are playing the card game... meh...

     



     

    Perhaps you're right but I've not seen any discussions related to playing it. Seems the discussions I see are related to what loot people have gotten from the cards.



     

    no one cares about the card game. its all to do with the loot cards, when you are getting more for a loot card than a genuine trader profession it just goes to show how imbalanced and greedy and desperate what remaining  players that are left, to stoop to buying cards with a lottery chance of recieving a loot card

    is pretty poor its just real money transaction  scam , nothing more and they encourage this sort of thing  by in being that of a random lottery on what you get!

  • jaxsundanejaxsundane Member Posts: 2,776
    Originally posted by xacova



    I went over to the official forums and started reading a post about downtime caused due to implementing this new feature into the game, i thought to my self that was shocking enough itself.
    Then i started reading that some players have been spending over 100 dollars to try to get loot items and where complaining that they only got 3 decent  cards, you can see that people will get drawn into this trading card scam and it will become an obsession for some, or addiction for others or worse the show off types could waste hundreds of there parents income, and there would be nothing the parent could do as if you read the terms of purchase there not actualy buying anything, more like renting as you do not own the cards in question.
    I think soe should at least change terms so the buyer owns the card, after all if you buy trading cards like card ones in the shop at least you get the card, and it  yours.



     

    I don't feel sorry for anyone foolish enough to spend money on this game let alone this trading card scam which is yet another reason I avoid SOE like the plague they still show that for them it is much easier to make a scam like this a reality than creating a product that is fun and engaging for all to play based off one of the most well known IPs in the world.

    Keep the gambling in the gas stations and the casinos please SOE

    but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....

  • TeknoBugTeknoBug Member UncommonPosts: 2,156

    Threads are starting to spring up on the official SWG forums complaining about the way TCG is being handled in the economy. Some people are spending real $ to sell them for huge amounts of ingame credits, and the crafters/merchants aren't too happy about that and SOE are making money off that method and they won't do anything about it.


    A quote from one thread:


    SOE are probably laughing all the way to the bank. I know two guys on my server who spent a combined total of nearl $1000 on booster packs the day the card game went live. I doubt they're the only ones to have spent that much money, and I should imagine even more people have bought smaller amounts.
    $1000, that's a really bad waste for playing a game.

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  • pdxgeekpdxgeek Member Posts: 585
    Originally posted by sookster54


    Threads are starting to spring up on the official SWG forums complaining about the way TCG is being handled in the economy. Some people are spending real $ to sell them for huge amounts of ingame credits, and the crafters/merchants aren't too happy about that and SOE are making money off that method and they won't do anything about it.


    A quote from one thread:

    SOE are probably laughing all the way to the bank. I know two guys on my server who spent a combined total of nearl $1000 on booster packs the day the card game went live. I doubt they're the only ones to have spent that much money, and I should imagine even more people have bought smaller amounts.
    $1000, that's a really bad waste for playing a game.

     

    Anybody who spends $1000 on trading cards for SWG is truly the NGE target market.

  • fordzillafordzilla Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 100
    Originally posted by pdxgeek

    Originally posted by sookster54


    Threads are starting to spring up on the official SWG forums complaining about the way TCG is being handled in the economy. Some people are spending real $ to sell them for huge amounts of ingame credits, and the crafters/merchants aren't too happy about that and SOE are making money off that method and they won't do anything about it.


    A quote from one thread:

    SOE are probably laughing all the way to the bank. I know two guys on my server who spent a combined total of nearl $1000 on booster packs the day the card game went live. I doubt they're the only ones to have spent that much money, and I should imagine even more people have bought smaller amounts.
    $1000, that's a really bad waste for playing a game.

     

    Anybody who spends $1000 on trading cards for SWG is truly the NGE target market.



    anyone who spends that kind of money on this game needs to be Institutionalized. any game for that matter. now soe preys upon those with gambling addiction. perverse!

     

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