I had to quit reading this thread pages ago. All the red font on a dark background is blinding and near impossible to read. Kind of bums me out, because I'm sure I missed some good things, but guys....seriously.....red font is not a good choice in posts, unless you are highlighting a very FEW words. Best to choose something easier on the eyes like a light orange. It still makes your highlighted words stand out without blinding people.
She's right boys, lady girlgeek is right indeed. Red font is not a good choice in post. Red font is the font of the devil. Red font is bad. You boys and girls aren't bad, right? No, of course you are not bad, you children have good hearts with good minds and I know you can do better. I know you can do well.
I suggest you follow the advice of the lovely girlgeek and change the color of your font. Stop writing in red. STOP WRITING IN THE COLOR OF THE DEVIL!!!
KingCareBear
Lord of the Pink
Very funny. Not.
It has nothing to do with "bad" or "good" in the sense that you're being sarcastic about. It has to do with the fact that you can't fecking READ that CRAP.
Try asking any site designer how intelligent it is to use red OR bright blue font (either one) on a dark background. It causes eye strain. But I wouldn't expect a bunch of stupid teenagers to have even a remote understanding of anything outside of their own self-absorbed little heads, so excuse me for thinking any of you witless forum trolls would have some common sense. I guess expecting IQs over the single digit mark is stretching a bit for this site.
It's my own fault really. Most people with half a brain saw those posts, skipped over them, and didn't bother responding. Mostly due to the fact that they couldn't effing READ them and didn't want to ruin their eyesight. I was trying to make a helpful suggestion so people could actually READ what the f*** they spent all that time typing.
So...my bad for wasting the time, when I really knew better.
It's no surprise to me that a person who made an indie game that has been defined as "art" would try to turn "games as art" into a selling strategy. However, his criticism of WoW as being exploitive is true. MMORPGs are set up to delay players from reaching their goals as much as possible but still give enough incentives to prevent them from walking away. Think of the old arcade games and we'll see the same thing; give players enough of an incentive to keep feeding quarters into the machine. I resubed to WoW because some people at work started playing it. A month ago I ran Kara with them for the 1st time. It took 7 hours and all the bosses were killed. I was the only leather wearer in group so I got a lot of the loot - I can't play WoW anymore; the spell is broken. The time it took out weighed the emotion I received getting the items, in fact, I walked away that night with a very bad headache. I knew of WoWs exploitive nature and I accepted it - most people who play WoW are aware of it; but i've lost my incentive - it was not fun.
The belief that MMOs such as WoW are popular because they condition the player to want to continue playing is an external, superficial observation. Most players turn to an MMO because of their diversionary nature, their immersion - which is the same appeal that television has for a very large part of the populace. While obtaining loot and rewards are the goals that many latch onto that parallels their real life scenarios, those goals are just being used as an excuse for diversion, with some amount of ego satisfaction sprinkled on top, depending on the player type.
One only has to see what happens when the diversions become too redundant (like reruns) to figure out what is really going on. Players start yelling for more content, and start leaving if it isn't supplied. Grinds, for which MMOs are famous, are really just failures on the part of developers to adequately supply the needy with the necessary entertainment. No grind ever created in an MMO has done anything but slightly postpone the inevitable.
But what some MMO's have discovered (really they were initially designed around the concept), however, is that player interaction in an immersive way spawns its own avenues of entertainment, and WoW is no exception to this tactic. While people who play for the rewards eventually quit WoW and go hunting for their next diversion, many people are still playing because of the social interactions and social gameplay they continue to use in new, interesting ways.
It's still diversionary, but at least it is actually diverting.
Since people (and bears) are starting to complain about red, I wont be quoting this time.
While I do have a strange understanding of term "gamer", I at least know that gamer is not just "someone who plays games". I dunno wiki it or something...And while someone who plays just solitaire may fit official description, saying "I'm a gamer cause I play solitaire" sounds funny at best.
About hanging out and playing - you obviously didn't get the difference between hanging out with someone cause u play together and playing with someone cause u hang out together...
Even if your friend is a decent opponent u'll eventually tire of playing against him, that's where net hops in. And if he isn't? Not everyone likes playing at half his skill or on contrary loosing to someone who's twice as good as him. That's something net can take care of and ss can't.
The difference between player who doesn't communicate and a "well made bot" is that second doesn't exist...
Also Im not sure i played 4th SC -there's just to many fighting games to remember them all- but I don't remember any other fighting with split screen. It's two players on one screen, yes, but it's not being split.
Maybe that's my eng. playing tricks on me but available and "available to buy" are not the same aren't they? When I posted about "net-play being available" I meant you can boot up your pc/console, and start playing, cause u have all u need for that already.
Also, yes, if u're trying to observe what's happening on two monitors at the same time, or just have both of them in your view range that's distracting as well.
While it's technically same game, it's still something your attention shouldn't be focused at. And it can also look different - an fps map can consist of sunlit area and a dark cave + there can be more movement and it can be more intensive (there's a reason some gamers buy those "fast" monitors).
And another reason some escapist "act so fucked up online" is because of people offending them irl, against whom they can't "use negative re-enforcement" because they're weaker. So u think "negative re-enforcement" must only be applyed to those who are weak irl?
And here's another story - Billy is afraid to go to scool because of "little kids" in school who keep beating him up. And guess what? This story continues as Billy grows. So u think he has the right to hate most people in the world and offend them?
"At that point I realized that the problem with the gaming industry was hardcore gamers." Yeah, yeah...How many "hardcore gamers" have u seen trying to bend real life to their rules? U didn't get a thing from what I was posting about resort...
"I realized that things I disliked the most were the things that hardcore gamers screamed for the most." Then how about playing something casual? With so much of that casual @#$% around, you wont even have to search for it... Instead u're complaining that hardcore gamers are spoiling game industry. Why don't we go ahead and change official volleyball rules so that those who can't get the ball over the net are allowed to get it under (or maybe remove the net?), and to hell with those who think it's a sport, and like it that way...
"From my exp. people who offend others in online games mostly have no offline life That is exactly what I was getting at in my original post. The addendum to that is that most of those same people only play online because no one associate with them in real life."
What you said in your original post is that most online players are bastards and thus have no real life. And I said that most online bastards have no real life. Those are two different statements.
I'm not sure why you guys are still mentioning my comment about red font.
Are you SO stupid that you think to quote things REQUIRES choosing the color RED to highlight your "quotes?" Are you REALLY that ignorant?
Re-read your first sentence. That IS what it implies. "Oh I won't quote anything since people and bears...hahaha...too funny...are complaining about red." Hello, Numbnuts.....consider quoting and highlighting in any other color, maybe, or are you color blind AND stupid?
By request, I'm gonna go with a color that's not as harsh on the eyes.
To Jimmy_Scythe
Since people (and bears) are starting to complain about red, I wont be quoting this time.
While I do have a strange understanding of term "gamer", I at least know that gamer is not just "someone who plays games". I dunno wiki it or something...And while someone who plays just solitaire may fit official description, saying "I'm a gamer cause I play solitaire" sounds funny at best.
No more rediculous than trying to set up velvet ropes around yourself in a lame attempt to try and look special when you aren't.
About hanging out and playing - you obviously didn't get the difference between hanging out with someone cause u play together and playing with someone cause u hang out together...
Why does this conjure up the image of a bunch of crackheads lighting up in an abandoned building.
Even if your friend is a decent opponent u'll eventually tire of playing against him, that's where net hops in. And if he isn't? Not everyone likes playing at half his skill or on contrary loosing to someone who's twice as good as him. That's something net can take care of and ss can't.
Never had this problem honestly. Most of the people I hang out with catch on pretty quick. I'm also not adverse to playing a game that's more the speed of my opponent. I know, I know, actual human contact sometimes requires respect and compromise which is why you avoid it at all costs.
The difference between player who doesn't communicate and a "well made bot" is that second doesn't exist...
And you've played every game AI ever made to reach this conclusion? I'm gonna call bullshit since this is both subjective and unfalsifiable.
Also Im not sure i played 4th SC -there's just to many fighting games to remember them all- but I don't remember any other fighting with split screen. It's two players on one screen, yes, but it's not being split.
Yes, there are bunches of games that were single screen multiplayer and just as many split screen games. You're trying to prove something that is entirely a matter of taste and that's a losing battle. More on that in my next reply.
Maybe that's my eng. playing tricks on me but available and "available to buy" are not the same aren't they? When I posted about "net-play being available" I meant you can boot up your pc/console, and start playing, cause u have all u need for that already.
Local (as in the same machine) multiplayer is becoming rarer all the time. Perfect example is Crackdown for the XBox 360. Crackdown is a blast to play with another player, but you can only play multiplayer online. You can't play split screen. BTW, Gears of War has a huge following and most of the people that I know who played it, played it split screen with a friend.
Also, yes, if u're trying to observe what's happening on two monitors at the same time, or just have both of them in your view range that's distracting as well.
While it's technically same game, it's still something your attention shouldn't be focused at. And it can also look different - an fps map can consist of sunlit area and a dark cave + there can be more movement and it can be more intensive (there's a reason some gamers buy those "fast" monitors).
The problem here is that you're trying to tell us that we shouldn't like split screen. Who are YOU to tell ME what I should and shouldn't like. Throughout this entire discussion I've been trying to make you realize how shallow and totally stuck up your own ass you seem to be and you continually miss the fucking point. I don't care that you don't like split screen. You not liking it doesn't make it an absolute evil.
And another reason some escapist "act so fucked up online" is because of people offending them irl, against whom they can't "use negative re-enforcement" because they're weaker. So u think "negative re-enforcement" must only be applyed to those who are weak irl?
This isn't even remotely a justification. So you feel bad about yourself and you want other people to feel just as bad about themselves? Explain to me how this ISN'T totally ignorant.
And here's another story - Billy is afraid to go to scool because of "little kids" in school who keep beating him up. And guess what? This story continues as Billy grows. So u think he has the right to hate most people in the world and offend them?
No. No I don't. I think Billy needs to take inventory of his behavior and ask what he does that makes people despise him and then behave differently. If it's a matter of prejudice, then Billy needs to find support system outside of that's antagonizing or find a neutral third party to intervene and put a stop to what's going on.
"At that point I realized that the problem with the gaming industry was hardcore gamers." Yeah, yeah...How many "hardcore gamers" have u seen trying to bend real life to their rules? U didn't get a thing from what I was posting about resort...
All hardcore gamers are doing this by demanding truckloads of padded features ripped straight out of Shenmue and Grand Theft Auto 3. Hardcore gamers demand games where you spend most of your time chewing on the scenery as you mosey from checkpoint to checkpoint. Hardcore gamers demand long boring cinematics or, worse yet, equally boring dialog trees that have you watching the game instead of playing it. Hardcore gamers demand mountains of unlockable content that requires endless hours of repeating the same tasks and ultimately add nothing to the core gameplay. Hardcore gamers demand "realism" out of one side of their mouths as they demand bullshit features like autohealing out of the other. The industry catering to the minority that is the hardcore is the entire reason why none of the upcoming AAA games are worth getting worked up about.
Having been into video and computer games since the age of 4, I've seen better times. Going from the games I grew up with, in the late 80's and early to mid 90's, to what we have now is like going from crack cocaine to strawberry dackeries. It's just not the same rush. You can tell me that I'm just growing up and all that, but I can still pick up those old games and get the same thrill I experienced when I played them the first time.
"I realized that things I disliked the most were the things that hardcore gamers screamed for the most." Then how about playing something casual? With so much of that casual @#$% around, you wont even have to search for it... Instead u're complaining that hardcore gamers are spoiling game industry. Why don't we go ahead and change official volleyball rules so that those who can't get the ball over the net are allowed to get it under (or maybe remove the net?), and to hell with those who think it's a sport, and like it that way...
Point is, I don't think that the "hardcore" really have a clue what video games are really all about.
GAMES ARE NOT MOVIES!!!!! Neither are they books or amusement park rides.
Show of hands from the old timers: How many of you played Doom for the story? Super Mario Brothers? Zelda? Half-Life?
Given, Half-Life did have (by video game standards at least) a very good story, but that story always took a backseat to the gameplay. In fact, in the best examples of games that tell us stories, the story is kind of slid under the door so quietly that you barely notice it. Then Final Fantasy VII got released and all that changed. Suddenly developers realized that all they had to do was make two hours of cut scenes, a huge play area, sprinkle monsters and "bonus items" around semi-randomly, and then pad the whole thing out to 100+ hours and the hardcore would jump on it like passed out female at a frat party. Excuse me for finding this to be somewhat exploitative and unsatisfying.
"From my exp. people who offend others in online games mostly have no offline life That is exactly what I was getting at in my original post. The addendum to that is that most of those same people only play online because no one associate with them in real life."
What you said in your original post is that most online players are bastards and thus have no real life. And I said that most online bastards have no real life. Those are two different statements.
You're half right. I stated that people that ONLY play games ONLINE are bastards that no one wants to associate with and therefore have not friends in real life. Those people in no way constitute "most."
I'm not sure why you guys are still mentioning my comment about red font.
Are you SO stupid that you think to quote things REQUIRES choosing the color RED to highlight your "quotes?" Are you REALLY that ignorant?
Re-read your first sentence. That IS what it implies. "Oh I won't quote anything since people and bears...hahaha...too funny...are complaining about red." Hello, Numbnuts.....consider quoting and highlighting in any other color, maybe, or are you color blind AND stupid?
What a bunch of morons.
Young lady, I think you're getting a little out of line here. I don't like your attitude and I sure as heck don't like your tone. Now if you don' t like the color red that's your problem, but don't you go on calling these boys mean names just because you don't like what they got to say. I suggest you get yourself under control before you do something you'll later regret. These boys are just trying to have a serious debate here about a serious topic. We are a good bunch of people here and we don't need your sassy attitude to destroy our unity and our debate.
Sorry people, I apologise for whatever part I had in turning this thread into a trolling competition. About that quoting comment - I just have a rule, I never edit what i quote. Once again, sorry.
Son, you don't got to apologize for nothing. You've done nothing wrong. Don't you let that sassy little fire bird bring you down. You here me boy!! DON"T YOU LET HER BRING YOU DOWN!!!
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She's right boys, lady girlgeek is right indeed. Red font is not a good choice in post. Red font is the font of the devil. Red font is bad. You boys and girls aren't bad, right? No, of course you are not bad, you children have good hearts with good minds and I know you can do better. I know you can do well.
I suggest you follow the advice of the lovely girlgeek and change the color of your font. Stop writing in red. STOP WRITING IN THE COLOR OF THE DEVIL!!!
KingCareBear
Lord of the Pink
Very funny. Not.
It has nothing to do with "bad" or "good" in the sense that you're being sarcastic about. It has to do with the fact that you can't fecking READ that CRAP.
Try asking any site designer how intelligent it is to use red OR bright blue font (either one) on a dark background. It causes eye strain. But I wouldn't expect a bunch of stupid teenagers to have even a remote understanding of anything outside of their own self-absorbed little heads, so excuse me for thinking any of you witless forum trolls would have some common sense. I guess expecting IQs over the single digit mark is stretching a bit for this site.
It's my own fault really. Most people with half a brain saw those posts, skipped over them, and didn't bother responding. Mostly due to the fact that they couldn't effing READ them and didn't want to ruin their eyesight. I was trying to make a helpful suggestion so people could actually READ what the f*** they spent all that time typing.
So...my bad for wasting the time, when I really knew better.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
The belief that MMOs such as WoW are popular because they condition the player to want to continue playing is an external, superficial observation. Most players turn to an MMO because of their diversionary nature, their immersion - which is the same appeal that television has for a very large part of the populace. While obtaining loot and rewards are the goals that many latch onto that parallels their real life scenarios, those goals are just being used as an excuse for diversion, with some amount of ego satisfaction sprinkled on top, depending on the player type.
One only has to see what happens when the diversions become too redundant (like reruns) to figure out what is really going on. Players start yelling for more content, and start leaving if it isn't supplied. Grinds, for which MMOs are famous, are really just failures on the part of developers to adequately supply the needy with the necessary entertainment. No grind ever created in an MMO has done anything but slightly postpone the inevitable.
But what some MMO's have discovered (really they were initially designed around the concept), however, is that player interaction in an immersive way spawns its own avenues of entertainment, and WoW is no exception to this tactic. While people who play for the rewards eventually quit WoW and go hunting for their next diversion, many people are still playing because of the social interactions and social gameplay they continue to use in new, interesting ways.
It's still diversionary, but at least it is actually diverting.
To Jimmy_Scythe
Since people (and bears) are starting to complain about red, I wont be quoting this time.
While I do have a strange understanding of term "gamer", I at least know that gamer is not just "someone who plays games". I dunno wiki it or something...And while someone who plays just solitaire may fit official description, saying "I'm a gamer cause I play solitaire" sounds funny at best.
About hanging out and playing - you obviously didn't get the difference between hanging out with someone cause u play together and playing with someone cause u hang out together...
Even if your friend is a decent opponent u'll eventually tire of playing against him, that's where net hops in. And if he isn't? Not everyone likes playing at half his skill or on contrary loosing to someone who's twice as good as him. That's something net can take care of and ss can't.
The difference between player who doesn't communicate and a "well made bot" is that second doesn't exist...
Also Im not sure i played 4th SC -there's just to many fighting games to remember them all- but I don't remember any other fighting with split screen. It's two players on one screen, yes, but it's not being split.
Maybe that's my eng. playing tricks on me but available and "available to buy" are not the same aren't they? When I posted about "net-play being available" I meant you can boot up your pc/console, and start playing, cause u have all u need for that already.
Also, yes, if u're trying to observe what's happening on two monitors at the same time, or just have both of them in your view range that's distracting as well.
While it's technically same game, it's still something your attention shouldn't be focused at. And it can also look different - an fps map can consist of sunlit area and a dark cave + there can be more movement and it can be more intensive (there's a reason some gamers buy those "fast" monitors).
And another reason some escapist "act so fucked up online" is because of people offending them irl, against whom they can't "use negative re-enforcement" because they're weaker. So u think "negative re-enforcement" must only be applyed to those who are weak irl?
And here's another story - Billy is afraid to go to scool because of "little kids" in school who keep beating him up. And guess what? This story continues as Billy grows. So u think he has the right to hate most people in the world and offend them?
"At that point I realized that the problem with the gaming industry was hardcore gamers." Yeah, yeah...How many "hardcore gamers" have u seen trying to bend real life to their rules? U didn't get a thing from what I was posting about resort...
"I realized that things I disliked the most were the things that hardcore gamers screamed for the most." Then how about playing something casual? With so much of that casual @#$% around, you wont even have to search for it... Instead u're complaining that hardcore gamers are spoiling game industry. Why don't we go ahead and change official volleyball rules so that those who can't get the ball over the net are allowed to get it under (or maybe remove the net?), and to hell with those who think it's a sport, and like it that way...
"From my exp. people who offend others in online games mostly have no offline life That is exactly what I was getting at in my original post. The addendum to that is that most of those same people only play online because no one associate with them in real life."
What you said in your original post is that most online players are bastards and thus have no real life. And I said that most online bastards have no real life. Those are two different statements.
I'm not sure why you guys are still mentioning my comment about red font.
Are you SO stupid that you think to quote things REQUIRES choosing the color RED to highlight your "quotes?" Are you REALLY that ignorant?
Re-read your first sentence. That IS what it implies. "Oh I won't quote anything since people and bears...hahaha...too funny...are complaining about red." Hello, Numbnuts.....consider quoting and highlighting in any other color, maybe, or are you color blind AND stupid?
What a bunch of morons.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
well shucks, I was going to buy braid too...
Guess I'll file this one with Enders Game.
What a bone head.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Young lady, I think you're getting a little out of line here. I don't like your attitude and I sure as heck don't like your tone. Now if you don' t like the color red that's your problem, but don't you go on calling these boys mean names just because you don't like what they got to say. I suggest you get yourself under control before you do something you'll later regret. These boys are just trying to have a serious debate here about a serious topic. We are a good bunch of people here and we don't need your sassy attitude to destroy our unity and our debate.
KingCarebear
Lord of the Pies
Sorry people, I apologise for whatever part I had in turning this thread into a trolling competition.
About that quoting comment - I just have a rule, I never edit what i quote.
Once again, sorry.
Son, you don't got to apologize for nothing. You've done nothing wrong. Don't you let that sassy little fire bird bring you down. You here me boy!! DON"T YOU LET HER BRING YOU DOWN!!!
KingCarebear
Lord of the ......