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Rant: Darkfall forums
Recently a topic in the Pub was made about how the "hardcore" Darkfall fans were coming to this forum and hyping DF while trashing all of the other games; this has been proven:
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=66093
But this goes past the hyping of the game, this goes into the community that is DF. If you take the time just to read a bit of that thread, you will realize how rediculous the community is. I've never seen such hate towards a site, it is rediculous.
It's almost comical how eilitist the community is. Here are some quotes to prove my point:
"the higher it gets, the more people get interested, the more newbs we get to gank, the richer we get"
"Darkfall will never have high ratings on a site that has LOTR online rated as the best MMORPG ever released. There are too many haters there that for some reason feel like DF threatens their happy little MMORPG community."
"MMORPG.com is retarded.
I don't want them to like Darkfall, and I dont want them to play it."
"It isn't, it means a group of retards likes DF"
"Agreed.
MMORPG.com carebears = Our after-dinner snack."
More cannonfodder could make Darkfall more enjoyable to the rest of us.
I say jack up the hype meter, let them come. We will feast on their noobness."
"To those who want MMORPG.com ppl to paly as cannonfodder for their uber1337 pvp skills.
You are fucking carebears,
yes you are, because you would rather go kill newbs and be uber1337 while acting all though against these 'newbs' than actually face a challenge.
Yes you guys are carebears. go die."
"yep. Inside every (ok not every) carebear is a snorting beast just itching to kill. Trying out DF could wake a few up, get em to take the blue pill"
Well, I think you all get my point. It really is funny how they think they're so "hardcore" when they're talking about a game. They have an attitude that makes them think they are better than everyone who has different tastes in games than them...it's kind of sad.
Only one person there defended us, under the name Legolas. Kudos to you Legolas, whoever you are. You can also see Imbant and Aragon supporting the movement, oh well.
I have no respect for the DF community. Coming over here and hyping it, they're elitist attiitude, they deserve no respect. I really didn't have much respect for them anyway, but this is rediculous.
I never really hyped the game until no...., well, actually, I'll be dehyping it because of the actions that their community made.
P.S. Anyone want to post this on the DF forums for me? 
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Pretty sure this will get locked soon mike but yeah I agree with you,not only about all the elitist remarks but the fact they still want to come on this site with such a low opinion of us,DF took a dive today and not because of the gameplay but because of the immature community.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Newbies who think this is the way to fit in. As you also can read in there is the people who have followed Darkfall for a longer time. And not all are happy with their immature hype thingie.
As long they just hyping the game, so be it. But dehype games before even read about them is just stupid.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
glad its only a few people that are dehyping cause it isnt me.
plus if it was even alot to be worth mentioning War would be below darkfall already
I will show respect for people who don't agree with this, but I read the thread and could hardly find anyone who disagreed with it. Even imbant and Aragon are over there...
@daylight01
I hope it doesn't get deleted; I don't really see why it would. I didn't break any rules (from what I can tell), I was just posting the rediculous things they were saying on the board along with my opinion of the community.
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Nah Mike not because of you
but this could and probally will turn into a gank feast thread and they will have to lock it .
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
So the OP has proved that thier are stupid people in the DF community. I mean most gaming communities are 100% cool and mature people correct? Of course those 8 comments (out of over 90,000 registered memebers) should be used to talk shit about the DF community as a whole.
It is time to stop and think before you post.
I will show respect for people who don't agree with this, but I read the thread and could hardly find anyone who disagreed with it. Even imbant and Aragon are over there...
@daylight01
I hope it doesn't get deleted; I don't really see why it would. I didn't break any rules (from what I can tell), I was just posting the rediculous things they were saying on the board along with my opinion of the community.
i dont think there really going around dehyping games LOL i dont really disagree about this site not being the best of sites plus the hype metter is screwed
Ironic.
Only a couple times have I ever seen a post on a game's official forums about hyping a game and dehyping others (read the thread, several people have said it).
Also, there's a difference between idiots and elitists. The forums reflect the future community of a game, and it is clear that DF will be filled with elitists when/if the game releases.
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"I'll be dehyping it because of the actions that their community made."
You're the only one in the wrong then. Dehyping a game for a reason that has nothing to do with the game, just because you're hurt over mean words on the internet. These people are a group among which Darkfall is highly anticipated. What they're doing is no different than a football team getting all hyped before charging out onto the field at the beginning of a game. "Let's bash those wimps! Send them crying home to their mommas!" and so on. I don't really see anything out of order.
You also have to realize that a lot of the things they do, like calling people carebears, is a reference to all of the trolls that have hit the DF forums over the years. Lots of WoW fans that think unrestricted PvP is stupid. They defend their viewpoint by simply saying that DF is a hardcore game and people who would whine about it obviously can't handle how hardcore it is.
But it's easy to criticize people when you take their words out of context.
Ironic.
Only a couple times have I ever seen a post on a game's official forums about hyping a game and dehyping others (read the thread, several people have said it).
Also, there's a difference between idiots and elitists. The forums reflect the future community of a game, and it is clear that DF will be filled with elitists when/if the game releases.
The only thing clear in this thread is your biased judgments on the DF community as a whole, based on one thread where maybe 30 people at max did the thing you are complaining about. I mean, are you serious? 9/10 of the community doesnt even post on the forums activly, and here you are passing down your solem judgment on them "elitests". You are coming off as very............elite.
Yes, some(most) of the darkfall community can be immature, I don't think anyone can logically argue against that point. However, there are plenty of decent members of the community.
You have to look at things from their point of view. They have been waiting for this game for over 7 years in some cases. The entire time people have been trashing the game, saying its vaporware, that it will never come out. Once a substantial gameplay video was released, everyone then started trashing the graphics, saying that the game will come out but it will fail, and generally being just as mean and rude as you claim (and prove) the darkfall community is.
That is one of the main reasons they don't like MMORPG, a majority of the anti-darkfall people post here. A lot of the trash talking goes on on these forums. There were even a member of the LOTRO community that, from what I saw, was very verbally against DFO.
With these situations I think its easy to see why there is so much animosity between the two communities.
You have to remember that DFO is technically an Indie game, while the company is getting bigger as beta and release get closer, it started as just a small group of people. Their community is trying to go up against giant companies like Blizzard and Turbine. Games that have done well, that have money, and have more than enough marketing to be displayed all over MMORPG. Darkfall doesn't have that, and it makes the fans bitter and jealous. I can't say I blame them.
But if you look at how many members they have on their forums, and how many of them hate on MMORPG, you'd see that its a minority of the community.
As for the comment about "more newbs means more people for us" That's not a darkfall thing, you'll find that in any community, there will always be members that have fun picking on the helpless, just as in real life. It is unfair to take that label and associate and entire community with it. That's stereotyping, and doesn't accomplish anything.
By making a post about this, and trashing on the DFO community, you're not any better than they are. An excuse of "Well they started it" isn't an acceptable reasons, whether its true or not.
Thats how blood feuds get started. I think at this point the two communities hate each other so much "just because" I'm sure that a few years ago something happened, and they started hating each other. And as more people joined the forums, they would also attack MMORPG to fit it, to defend their game, or simply because they're jerks and they like to cause trouble. The same things that happen for racial and religious wars in real life all the time.
I don't think that they think they're better than people that want to play other games, they just want people to respect their game for what it is.
How can you fault them for wanting to hype the game that they love? Can you honestly say you have never hyped a game, or would never hype a game that you were a fan out? Darkfall has spread almost entirely by word of mouth. Thats all they are continuing to do. They want to hype their game, get more people interested. There are probably thousands if not more people that would probably love a game like this, and just don't know about it yet. Thats all they want to accomplish.
The people you should be disgusted by are people from other games what will rate a game (DFO or any game) down just because they don't agree with the game or the community. If you don't agree with the game style, don't play it. There is no reason to lower a games ranking just because you don't want to see it do well. That goes for all communities, MMORPG, DFO and everyone else. Its childish, and unnecessary.
You yourself had said:
This is exactly what I am talking about. This makes you no better than the people you claim to hate so much. The hype meter isn't suppose to be for their community. Its for the game itself. And is for HYPING, I doubt that MMORPG want to see people using their hype meters to get back at communities, and if they do, its unprofessional.__________________________________________________
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I agree with your post on the whole, but *MOST* of the community is not immature. 90000+ registered members, most dont post.................... well you get my point.
While I've been on Forumfall for a few years now, I haven't posted much in that time but I can definately agree with this statement. Over the past few years that majority of new people entering the site have been vaporware trolls, open pvp bashers, full loot whiners etc and for the most part they have either been chased off or grown bored.
Recently however there has been a massive influx of these sort of folks and it has gone beyond being annoying to the point that we just wanted a way to say piss off here's the proof....and now that the vid and beta signups are out, we have that. Now while we have less of the vaporware trolls, we have more of the other two as well as people coming to bash on every other system we're drooling over and waiting for. Not only that, we have tons of new folk who rather than reading the myriad of posts with information, or using the search function, instead post tons and tons of new topics about things that are easily found.
Over the past few years we've grown hostile and jaded toward newbies when it comes to these sort of things.....if you give us a reason to. If you actually look for things on your own and keep your yap shut about stuff you can't change, you won't give anyone a reason to chew on you.
I don't think thats a fair assesment. Have you followed many games before they were even into beta, hell pre-alpha even?
These are people that have been following a game for 7+ years in some cases. For a long time there was very little information, and little to get by. So they find ways to keep busy. I'm sure that once the game is released and starts up a lot of peoples attitudes will change, not all, but at least some.
Once the game starts up, you have your one character, and his actions matter. Sure, the forums are the same way, but no one can put you on KoS on the forums. A lot of people on the forums will find new names and start fresh.
Again, you can't truely judge a community until a game is out, and even then, it doesn't mean much. Look at the WoW forums, there are countless threads about whining, balance, just generally off-topic threads. I'm sure they have just as many trash threads as darkfall, the only difference is that WoW has hundreds of moderaters, they have the money and staff to keep the forums clean(er). Darkfall doesn't have that.
Elitism lol. Seriously, welcome to MMORPGs.
Sounds like a pretty douchebaggish reason to de-hype a game.
This forum here is just the gathering spot for the arrogant pricks on the other side of the fence.
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Why, do you think the mmorpg.com community is any better?
Imho what was said above pretty much reflects 70% of the mmorpg.com community as well. Teens all over the place, that's what you get on forums about cartoon games, etc...
Stop bitching about the communities, and just wait for the damn game to come out.
Lol and you are 1 of them,But you use swear words so I guess you bench press 200 kilo and look like Brad Pitt,internet hardman at its finest.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Every single forum on the internet has plenty arrogant bastards.
This is simply a cover, the OP clearly thinks Darkfall sucks, or thinks it's vaporware, or simply has some bias against Darkfall, and is pissed at the newfound publicity it's been getting since Beta announcement.
Look at all the newcomers attacking me with their flames.
I wasn't even trolling!
I'm going to clarify my point:
I don't read the DF forums often, but neither do others. When I see postsb like that, what am I supposed to think? "Oh, they have a right to be mad and elitists?" of course not! It's a game, and you showing such hate over someone having a different opinion about DF is rediculous.
Elitists were in that thread, who's to say there aren't more? It would be foolish to that the poeple who posted on that thread were the only elitists in the whole community.
Whatever. I'm got my point across, I am done here.
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I've got one question for you:
What do you expect?
Over the past years the Darkfall Community (including me, yes, I said it) has noticed weekly threads in this section of stupid vaportrolls who obviously need to express their hate against a game that isn't even released. Moderators on these forums deleting all threads except the negativ ones in the General Pub discussion, ect. And all these people who were bashing Darkfall thinking it would be cool are coming over now (40k new users in one week! There were 50k new users in the past seven years!!).
It's these people who will make "Nerf XYZ"-threads and such, these people who came from AoC, WoW and Warhammer (I'm speaking about the majority now, not about individuals) who expect to have save zones and easy auto-attack and don't get along without it, it's these people jumping on the train just because Darkfall is more popular now.
Do you think any community would want them? Just today we had a thread in the Advanced Discussion how ADventurine will handle griefers and requesting that crafters can not be killed inside of cities. There are so many games who started promising and turned carebear then (even WoW had Open PvP on launch!). Do you think anybody over at the Darkfall forums would want to let this happen to Darkfall? I don't think so!
And if you don't think the mods here are anti-Darkfall, ask yourself why threads like this http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/190454 are still open and not closed.
To the hyping:
Let's start with the basics: What is the function of the hypemeter for? To express the hype of a game I guess.
What does a person who votes for "1" express? Obviously that he isn't hyped for that game.
What's the message if a Darkfall fan votes "1" for a game? Obviously that he isn't hyped for that game.
What's wrong with that? Well... nothing. He does exactly what the hype-meter was created for. And how many vaportrolls here at the forums have given Darkfall a "1" just because they thought considering Darkfall vaporware would be cool? I guess the results should be pretty balanced now.
mike you need to think before you post, those people you are reffering to are not the entire representation of the darkfall community and the reason why they talk down on other games is because other games have talked down on them for a long time. I understand that two wrongs dont make a right but what makes you think that three will and honestly you are just being hypocritical by dehyping DF just because some of its community dehyped another game, which by the way they may have tried and didnt like or didnt like its ideas which gives them a reason to dehype(although not to troll its forums) that game. People who like DF will obviously not like LotRO since both games are pretty much total opposites, one is focused on ffapvp while the other is plain pve so it makes sense that they dislike LotRO
Yeah, DF has always been characterized by new accounts showing up and hyping or attacking DF. Many people seem to lack the courage of their convictions it seems. (or they are just such arses they've been banned)
Don't worry about it...isn't a person on the DF forums that can't be ganked.
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