This is a first impressions review and guess what it is...the guy's first impressions! I'm not really surprised by this review as I've already heard it many times from many in the beta and is the main reason I passed on it. I've played WoW,EQ and DAoC to death and don't need to play them again in a new wrapper. I love how all of the fanbois are jumping all over this guy for giving an honest review of his first impressions. He even admits that he didn't have a lot of time to play and will follow this review with a more qualified one later after he's played some more.
You know it's pretty sad that you all have to jump all over this guy just because he doesn't share all of your blind faith in WAR. This thread reminds me of the AoC forums just before that game launched. All of the fanbois there were defending their game like a pack of rabid dogs as well. Not saying that WAR will end up like AoC but the similarities in the pre-launch communities are uncanny. A lot of people including myself are going to feel just like this guy did so you better get used to reviews like this one. There will be many of them after the game launches.
Bren
with you 100% Bren. Most of the replies in this thread are just pure comedy gold. Trying to tell a guy his first impressions are wrong, because he didn't spend enough time playing. So how long should he have played? 20 levels? 30 levels? Till he got to level 40 cap? How about 6 months? A Year? Please get a grip.
Also to a point I agree with him. I played the CB for a short time. Had to stop, but I came back for the OB. Thanks to Engima pointing out Target had those SE Pre-orders for 1 buck. Nothing loss there. I've played several classes on both sides to 9 to 13, and I still agree with his first impressions.
Also note that the guy did not say the game wasn't fun. He was right when he said that game needs more work. Right now Warhammer is fun to play in spurts, but it's nothing but IMHO it's an average MMO at best. Alot of great things about it that are just marred down by average gameplay mechanics.
I agree with your agreement!!!
Also lol at everyone in this thread who is trying to defend WAR's obviously cloniness (yay words) by pointing out how WoW is a clone of games before it. So...basically you are saying WAR is a clone...of a clone? A ok you have convinced me and ill call back and un-cancelify (making up words cause im tired) my pre-order now.
WAR is a clone, get over it. Doesn't mean its not fun. As someone else in the thread said...why are people expecting WAR to not be a clone? Its just another MMO that focuses more on PVP, whats wrong with being a clone?
Nothing is wrong with being a clone. If the game is fun...GO HAVE FUN!!! But the game is a clone, and some people are just bored with this style of gameplay. I for one am very turned off by sci-fi games that arent shooters...but am absolutly loving EVE just because it is very different in terms of combat and is also a sandbox. And I am definitely waiting on Darkfall, Mortal Online, etc because they arent complete clones of your EQ, DAoC, WoW, WAR, LoTRO etc etc.
Guys if you are having fun in WAR...play it and why bother with people who wont be playing? Im just here because I found it hard to believe how people are trying to state that this guy's opinion is somehow irrelevant. Guess what...if the initial stages of the MMO are a snoozefest and give off that cloney feeling...it is going to turn some people away who wont stick around.
I am having a blast in WAR to be honest, only because I am a PVP player and I enjoy its focus on pvp. However it really is just WoW-esque pvp with different classes and the same combat system, so I wont be playing on release. I will be enjoy the PVP with actual consequences in EVE until DF flops or comes through.
Enjoy the game guys, and lighten up a bit while you are at it.
Do people seriously expect Mythic to just start over from scratch when they had one of the first and still relatively successful MMORPGs in the western world? And the first seriously organized PvP game.
They are just going to throw all that out the window and start over? That would be retarded.
Do you realize how many aspects of DAOC WoW copied. Its a lot. I am not going to list. It has been done a million times.
The entire premise of these arguments is that Mythic should be completely stupid and throw out all their hardwork and hard learned lessons, because WoW copied them.
I mean did people suddenly lose their capability to reason in their desire for some kind of new gameplay? Fine people want a Darkfall or something (not that they support games like DDO that have truly different gameplay).
Learn to separate the two. Of course WAR is going to sahre about 50% of things with WoW. 20% they share because WoW did some stuff right. The rest they are going to share because WoW copied them and letting someone else bitch you out like that would be stupid. No matter how many dumbasses try to pull political tricks and claim WoW has the high ground.
WoW does not have the high ground. Just because you want something different than EQ-style games. Does not mean there is anything wrong with WAR.
There are a few flaws in many things that have been said. First off you are all TOTALLY wrong when you say that the first levels of the MMO are most important. OMG you did not like the first 10 minutes of the game? Good thing that is ONLY 10 minutes. IMO the point of an MMO is end game. Why else would you chose and MMO over a simple RPG? WAR has been designed around its end game content (that is why leveling to 40 is SO easy). But they keep it non static by having the renown system in there so once you do reach rank 40 you have A LOT of work to do still to reach Renown Rank 80.
I played WoW from October 2004 - June 2008 (with a few small breaks in there) and I only leveled up 4 characters during that time. Want to know why? WoW was VERY boring during the leveling up process because all you could do was quest. In WAR you can do quests (and public quests), scenarios, RVR, ect. It is a MUCH more enjoyable system than that of WoW. Someone stated in a post that we are "bashing" the OP on his opinion while we are just going in to the game with blind faith. YOU ARE WRONG. I am going in to the game with true faith because I have played it (and much longer than 10 minutes). If anyone is throwing around an unmerited opinion it is the OP. Instead of us having "blind faith" it is the OP who has "Blind dislike" for the game.
Finally one thing about WAR that I enjoy, but I know some people who will not is the fact that it IS not a solo game. WoW is a game that can be done in small guilds/groups of friends. To be TRULY successful in WAR you need to be in a serious (and large) guild. If you don't like that then don't play the game. I enjoy working with other people to accomplish goals. WAR will not be for everyone, but do not bash a game and call it similar to WoW when you have played .001% of the content.
Your entire post is pure dribble. A bunch of sentences stringed together, and placed out there, as if they were fact. You on more then one time said people were "wrong" in your post. Please explain who made you judge, jury, and executioner on what's right and wrong for everyone.
A game should be fun from the start. Not simply when you get to end game. If you aren't having fun for the first 39 levels of your characters 120 levels. Then why are those first 39 even there? IMHO, one of Warhammers problems is the game isn't fun PvE wise at the start. Sure if you jump into a Scenario from the start. You might have fun, that changes person to person though. I found that Warhammer didn't get interesting till level 8 and beyond. I got a generally sucktastic feeling from most of the classes from 1 to 7.
The red parts I highlighted in your original post, are what make it dribble. The blue part is just pure foolishness at best. Reread your post and please then tell us who is really passing off "opinion" as "fact".
If you refuse to accept universal truths as truth then you can always say that things are opinion. However many of the things I listed are in fact universal truths.
Can you honestly tell me that when playing a game you would rather have the first 10 minutes more enjoyable than the rest of the day/months/years you will spend playing? No. Therefore the first levels are NOT nearly as important as the rest of the game. Not to mention the first levels of most games are basically a tutorial. We cannot assume everyone is an MMO vet and can just hop right in to the action. You learn how to play the game over the first 10 or so levels. If you have a problem with that then you probably should never play another video game period because basically every game is like this.
The saying "less is more" is a certainly not true when it comes to a video game. I do not know too many people who want LESS content and are seeking for things to be totally linear. As I stated before WoW has ONE way to level. That is through questing and questing alone. In WAR you have questing, public questing, RVR, Scenarios, ect. This pretty much blows away the argument that WAR is lacking content (at least in comparison to WoW). If you like the way WoW did it, WAR has it, if you want something new WAR has it. So why would you want to play WoW?
Unless you have decided to redefine the words "blind faith" then I stand by what I said before. Telling me I am going in to a game with blind faith when I have spent a plethora of time playing makes you wrong. Once again this is a universal truth.
I would LOVE for you to actually explain WHY my post is "pure foolishness" instead of just saying it. The fact is the OP is making an assumption about WAR when he has spent virtually NO time playing it. Maybe he is a WoW fanboy, maybe he got beat up too many times in DAoC and has issues with mythic, to be honest I don't know why he said what he did. But the only thing he showed me in his post is that he is trying to bash a game before he even gives it a try. Heck maybe he works for blizzard and is trying to bash it to save them some subs.
There are a few flaws in many things that have been said. First off you are all TOTALLY wrong when you say that the first levels of the MMO are most important. OMG you did not like the first 10 minutes of the game? Good thing that is ONLY 10 minutes. IMO the point of an MMO is end game. Why else would you chose and MMO over a simple RPG? WAR has been designed around its end game content (that is why leveling to 40 is SO easy). But they keep it non static by having the renown system in there so once you do reach rank 40 you have A LOT of work to do still to reach Renown Rank 80.
I played WoW from October 2004 - June 2008 (with a few small breaks in there) and I only leveled up 4 characters during that time. Want to know why? WoW was VERY boring during the leveling up process because all you could do was quest. In WAR you can do quests (and public quests), scenarios, RVR, ect. It is a MUCH more enjoyable system than that of WoW. Someone stated in a post that we are "bashing" the OP on his opinion while we are just going in to the game with blind faith. YOU ARE WRONG. I am going in to the game with true faith because I have played it (and much longer than 10 minutes). If anyone is throwing around an unmerited opinion it is the OP. Instead of us having "blind faith" it is the OP who has "Blind dislike" for the game.
Finally one thing about WAR that I enjoy, but I know some people who will not is the fact that it IS not a solo game. WoW is a game that can be done in small guilds/groups of friends. To be TRULY successful in WAR you need to be in a serious (and large) guild. If you don't like that then don't play the game. I enjoy working with other people to accomplish goals. WAR will not be for everyone, but do not bash a game and call it similar to WoW when you have played .001% of the content.
End game is not what makes a game thats what keeps you playing a game. If you can't make it to end game because the game is so lame along the path you dont make it to your so called holy grail End game. Point blank your first paragraph needs to be rewritten.
OMG you said in your 2nd Paragraph that leveling up was so boring so you didnt play. Next
You played all of the few levels the open beta let you play. And the only reason why the reviewer had only that much time to play is because thats what mythic gave him. You can't expect a review 2 go well when you cant even play the game how you want too. Mythic mistake for even letting the guy try it out if they werent going to let them play it.
WoW WoW WoW can anybody try and keep WoW out of there statements when they try to prove points about things they know nothing about? So don't praise War when you have only played .001% of content aswell.
Your post is foolishness. Because it's not a full review. It was his first impression of the game. He even went out of his way to point out. That he had a limited amount of time with the game. Yet you blast him calling his comments "Blind Bias"
Your post is foolishness. Because you are spouting off opinions like they are fact. You, much like alot of the people in this thread. Took cheap shots at him, for stating what he felt during his play time. How arrogant do you have to be. To tell him that HIS impression of the game is wrong?
I find Warhammer Online to currently be an average MMO at best right now. I guess just because you think it isn't. That makes it some sort of universal truth, that I'm wrong? Just who on this entire planet gave you enough aurthority to tell me or others. That what we say or think is wrong, and that's exactly what your post says. "I think this is right, so that makes all of you wrong, simply because I said so."
If you think the guy in the review, me, or anyone else is wrong about Warhammer. Then by all means please prove it. Because last time I checked. Things pretaining to games such as fun, graphics, etc. Were all subjective things. So if you REALLY believe you can provide proof that puts his impressions/opinion or even mine in the wrong. Post it up.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
This isn't his review of the game and is just his initial impressions of what he first saw so I don't get why people are slaggin him off for it. Also if you ain't having fun by level 3 which takes about 10 mins to get to then why would you want to play on?
I know from experience with the game and other mmorpgs that the first few levels is how the rest of the game plays.
A lot of people keep bring up this "1st Impression" statement. The problem with this guys mini review is not about the obvious fact of the clunky combat, dark graphics, and other simularities to WoW. It is the fact that he drew a conclusion that the game was a let down.
He clearly stated that he hoped for so much more. He wanted to see uniqueness and yada yada yada. Yet he only experienced 10 minutes of the game and came to this conclusion of doom and gloom. The guy didn't even PvP!! He didn't play around with the fully customizable interface. He didnt dye his armor, he didn't do anything "unique" to the game.
Lastly he is very misinformed like many other reviewers and posters on this site. Mythic has clearly stated that they are not trying to be a WoW killer. They are trying to be a competetive, successful, game that attracts the pvp fanbase of MMO games.
People keep putting these words into their mouths that they plan to beat WoW and steal subscriptions numbers etc. Mythic has never said this once.
Its to be expected, anybody who knows anything about what makes an RPG fun knew that AoC was going to suck, Warhammer Online IS going to suck. Becuase it offers no content of its own. It has all these PVP oriented things, but they don't realize. PVP is boring unless there is a reason to. PVP IS EXTREMELY boring. Its just like killing a monster. Especially if your a good pvper, you establish a set of routines that work against the class youre fighting against and just execute them, like writing a book.
Which is what all these pvp games don't realize, if you don't give a real genuine reason to pvp, you might as well be calling it a PVE game. AND FIGHTING for control of a castle is not a reason, thats a pve reason.
I'm talking about real power, what gives you power in a game, its all about risk and reward. If you risk something, and lose it, its going to BURN. And you will remember who took it from you, and so a guild war will ensue.
Hopefully people will realize this.
Warhammer will suck, through all its endevors to make a PVP game.. It's going to suck
First of all, I played WAR in closed beta so do not assume that I only have limited open beta experience. You are missing the point. This guy did not even play past the "tutorial" part of the game. End game is where all the great stuff usually happens. In WAR the fun starts increasing a lot by the time you reach t2 (around level) and that can be reached in one or two days EASILY. The fun factor of the game increases exponentially. if you actually thought about what you were saying you would realize that is the best way to keep people interested. Better to be less fun at first and more fun as you continue the game if you are trying to make sure people stay subscribed.
Yes I did say leveling up was boring so I did not do it in WoW. The point is that in WAR it is no longer boring. if this guy played the game for more than 10 minutes he may have actually gotten in to the parts of the game that are fun. Scenarios, PQ's, RVR, ect. Instead he says that the game is a total disappointment based on 10 minutes of game play. He makes it sound like mythic is in some horrible situation and they have to redo the whole game and make major changes to save it before it is too late, but he knows absolutely NOTHING about the game.
You said you cannot expect a review to go well when you cannot even play the way you want, and that is correct. So why would he even make a review? He knows the game was very limited to him and he did not see hardly anything, so why go out and bash it?
People in this thread are complaining that WAR is a WoW clone and that why I brought it up. WAR has some similarities with WoW. WoW was successful and so they saw what was good about it and then improved upon it tenfold with a new and interesting story. This is how companies compete and do business. if you don't like it then ignore it, because it happens in everything not just MMO's.
My post was not intended to be a full review. I posted in response to the OP I was not here to offer a full review to you. The OP gave a VERY incomplete review so I am assuming you think his post is foolish as well?
I actually backed up what I said with information from the game. You on the other hand just said "I find WAR to be an average MMO at best . I guess just because you think it isn't". If you want to talk about people saying foolish things there it is. You have proven that despite what WAR does you will dislike it. It could have many more options than WoW (which is does) but you still would not give the game a chance simply because you like to argue.
The OP complaining about the colors of the game after 10 minutes of play is also absurd. In WoW if you saw someone playing in the Desolace for 10 minutes you would say that the colors were terrible as well. When you see one area you cannot give a complete judgment on the colors of the game. The graphics settings have been forced to be at a very low level with a lot of the advanced settings not even available yet. If anyone did any research for about 10 minute you could find this out and you would not have to look at some guy who posted about his 3 levels of experience in the game for fact.
This isn't his review of the game and is just his initial impressions of what he first saw so I don't get why people are slaggin him off for it. Also if you ain't having fun by level 3 which takes about 10 mins to get to then why would you want to play on?
I know from experience with the game and other mmorpgs that the first few levels is how the rest of the game plays.
A lot of people keep bring up this "1st Impression" statement. The problem with this guys mini review is not about the obvious fact of the clunky combat, dark graphics, and other simularities to WoW. It is the fact that he drew a conclusion that the game was a let down.
He clearly stated that he hoped for so much more. He wanted to see uniqueness and yada yada yada. Yet he only experienced 10 minutes of the game and came to this conclusion of doom and gloom. The guy didn't even PvP!! He didn't play around with the fully customizable interface. He didnt dye his armor, he didn't do anything "unique" to the game.
Lastly he is very misinformed like many other reviewers and posters on this site. Mythic has clearly stated that they are not trying to be a WoW killer. They are trying to be a competetive, successful, game that attracts the pvp fanbase of MMO games.
People keep putting these words into their mouths that they plan to beat WoW and steal subscriptions numbers etc. Mythic has never said this once.
The problem is you have to be a WOW killer or people will just rather play WOW than WAR and then WAR will be another niche mmorpg that has around 200-400k subs and in constant decline.
Its to be expected, anybody who knows anything about what makes an RPG fun knew that AoC was going to suck, Warhammer Online IS going to suck. Becuase it offers no content of its own. It has all these PVP oriented things, but they don't realize. PVP is boring unless there is a reason to. PVP IS EXTREMELY boring. Its just like killing a monster. Especially if your a good pvper, you establish a set of routines that work against the class youre fighting against and just execute them, like writing a book. Which is what all these pvp games don't realize, if you don't give a real genuine reason to pvp, you might as well be calling it a PVE game. AND FIGHTING for control of a castle is not a reason, thats a pve reason. I'm talking about real power, what gives you power in a game, its all about risk and reward. If you risk something, and lose it, its going to BURN. And you will remember who took it from you, and so a guild war will ensue. Hopefully people will realize this. Warhammer will suck, through all its endevors to make a PVP game.. It's going to suck
I don't often say things like that online, because most times folks will just baw or flame or what-have-you, but you, my friend, have taken the proverbial cake.
You're blasting a game for having boring gameplay when it is billed as a PvP game and you clearly dislike PvP. You may as well say "Hey, fuck orange juice" when you don't like citrus. Just as ludicrous.
Also, you -do- have a reason to PvP. You PvP and you win and now, suddenly, you and everyone else in the area are getting MUCH more XP and Renown for fighting, which improves your ability to increase your power. And that's all these games are about; you're gaining power, you're growing your numbers and feeling good about it. You don't have a reason to PvE beyond getting new items and seeing new things... well, the tiered PvP areas are new things to see and the Renown training and rewards are new things to get.
When you get kicked out of a castle you own, you're going to be pissed. All your vendor prices will go up, your defenses will weaken, and your empire's growth on the whole will stagnate. You want it back. AND there's great loot dropping for the folks who do castle sieges, even when it's just a PvE deal and no defenders are around.
I agree with you that risk and reward is great and I like EVE Online for that reason, but that's not what this game is about. This game is not designed to work that way; it's designed to be a fighting game. Hop in, fight. Don't worry too much; hop in, battle, have fun, and enjoy the war. That's what it's for. you want to calculate your risk and figure your rewards, go play EVE, that's what it's for. Hardcore, full-loot PvP is great in some situations, but it doesn't fit this game. So go play something it -does- fit and shut your gibbering mouth about games whose styles you're not big on.
TL;DR: You're complaining because you don't like something and it's what the game is about. Go bawww elsewhere, and stop asking for people to justify your time spent.
I didn't get past the first paragraph, I didn't have to. This dope admitted he didn't play the game past lvl 3, and that 3 lvls in an MMO isn't enough to draw conclusions from, yet that's exactly what he did. Seriously, this clown should have just kept his mouth shut b/c I can almost guarantee that if he was able to sit down and spend some real time with the game his opinion would have been much different.
You can NOT get a good enough feel for WAR in the first 3 lvls. You just can't. he didn't experience any of the Scenarios, Open-world RvR, or Keep and City Sieges to get a real feel for the game and what it's all about.
Eh, I don't really care what people that draw such quick conclusions have to say. I personally can't wait til the 18th, and the years beyond. I have enjoyed the last year I've spent in beta immensely, in-fact, I can't recall a game I have enjoyed so much since waaay back in the day when I started playing EQ, and then when I first got into DAoC. I liked it that much.
Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all wine and roses. When I first started testing the game was in pretty bad shape, but over the last few months it has shaped up into one of the most engaging, and fun MMOs I have played in a long time. Let the haters stick w/ WoW, or whatever, there will be more then enough people playing WAR.
Some people don't like Warhammer; get over it. I've been playing every day since OB and I don't care much for it either. The game is 7 days away from launch and it’s riddled with mob glitches (your target is not close enough; your target is running away! Skill not ready yet), unfinished emotes with glitchy animation or animations that run together, floaty character movement, sluggish auto fighting, slow skill casting, delayed heals (my 15 Priest heals himself and sometimes nothing happens (yes I did my supplement smartass)), and the list goes on and on.
People argue that War is still in beta, but c'mon -- it's OB, we’re talking 7 days before launch; there is no possible way Mythic is going to have these problems fixed by the 18th.
The graphics look more like LOTR; in fact, the game plays very similar to LOTR and I beta tested that steaming pile of crap.
Plus there's the RVR aspect... remove the xp gain and item loots from enemy bodies and what do you have? Capture the flag, oh hum.... WoW anyone? Something that has already been done to death…
There is little innovation in War regardless of what some of you people say.
Plus there's the RVR aspect... remove the xp gain and item loots from enemy bodies and what do you have? Capture the flag, oh hum.... WoW anyone? Something that has already been done to death…
There is little innovation in War regardless of what some of you people say.
Actually, DAoC was the first game to have BGs, sorry WOWbois.
Plus there's the RVR aspect... remove the xp gain and item loots from enemy bodies and what do you have? Capture the flag, oh hum.... WoW anyone? Something that has already been done to death…
There is little innovation in War regardless of what some of you people say.
Actually, DAoC was the first game to have BGs, sorry WOWbois.
What's funny is if he said nothing but good things about it the Warhammer fanatics would be cheering him on =P I like the game but at the same time just can't get into it so i'm leaning more and more towards EVE which i'm finding alot more fun i think today or tomorrow will decide if i cancel my CE's for WAR.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
What's funny is if he said nothing but good things about it the Warhammer fanatics would be cheering him on =P I like the game but at the same time just can't get into it so i'm leaning more and more towards EVE which i'm finding alot more fun i think today or tomorrow will decide if i cancel my CE's for WAR.
Exactly.
not really. Im a huge warhammer fan and quite frankly, I think this is another good example of how Warcry's reviews are useless (AoC anybody?).
They need to step up the quality, cause right now, they should be embarassed. Im a science major and I think ive written more informative peices in a first year poetry class. (had no final exam :P)
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
He was giving his opinion on the things he could see/do in the first 3 levels, he wasn't saying "after 10 minutes of playtime, I conclude that this game sucks in it's entirety".
Besides, a good game would be able to grab someone's attention quickly in a positive way. If you read any hands-on of Aion at PAX or GC, you'll see the reviewers got little time to play the game, but they all say they walked away impressed. That does NOT mean they're saying the game is a masterpiece, it mean that what they saw at the time was good.
lol... imo.. why even make a review after only playing 3 levels... Where the hell is the sence in that? - He must be an EVOLVED TROLL! ... He just took it to the next level..
The sad part about this review is that he is correct. It is indeed WoW but only the simple fact that it is geared towards PvP and RvR, not PvE. But really, most of the gameplay is very much like WoW.
The sad part about this review is that he is correct. It is indeed WoW but only the simple fact that it is geared towards PvP and RvR, not PvE. But really, most of the gameplay is very much like WoW.
Its pretty hard to make a game that isnt alot like something seen before, but for WAR's protection it can allways be said, that Wow chars look like WAR, in the end, it has been there alot longer.
But thay are somewhat very similar in ways, i am only level 10 atm, so havent seen it all yet. But i am still glad im gonna play this from now on instead of Wow.
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Also to a point I agree with him. I played the CB for a short time. Had to stop, but I came back for the OB. Thanks to Engima pointing out Target had those SE Pre-orders for 1 buck. Nothing loss there. I've played several classes on both sides to 9 to 13, and I still agree with his first impressions.
Also note that the guy did not say the game wasn't fun. He was right when he said that game needs more work. Right now Warhammer is fun to play in spurts, but it's nothing but IMHO it's an average MMO at best. Alot of great things about it that are just marred down by average gameplay mechanics.
I agree with your agreement!!!
Also lol at everyone in this thread who is trying to defend WAR's obviously cloniness (yay words) by pointing out how WoW is a clone of games before it. So...basically you are saying WAR is a clone...of a clone? A ok you have convinced me and ill call back and un-cancelify (making up words cause im tired) my pre-order now.
WAR is a clone, get over it. Doesn't mean its not fun. As someone else in the thread said...why are people expecting WAR to not be a clone? Its just another MMO that focuses more on PVP, whats wrong with being a clone?
Nothing is wrong with being a clone. If the game is fun...GO HAVE FUN!!! But the game is a clone, and some people are just bored with this style of gameplay. I for one am very turned off by sci-fi games that arent shooters...but am absolutly loving EVE just because it is very different in terms of combat and is also a sandbox. And I am definitely waiting on Darkfall, Mortal Online, etc because they arent complete clones of your EQ, DAoC, WoW, WAR, LoTRO etc etc.
Guys if you are having fun in WAR...play it and why bother with people who wont be playing? Im just here because I found it hard to believe how people are trying to state that this guy's opinion is somehow irrelevant. Guess what...if the initial stages of the MMO are a snoozefest and give off that cloney feeling...it is going to turn some people away who wont stick around.
I am having a blast in WAR to be honest, only because I am a PVP player and I enjoy its focus on pvp. However it really is just WoW-esque pvp with different classes and the same combat system, so I wont be playing on release. I will be enjoy the PVP with actual consequences in EVE until DF flops or comes through.
Enjoy the game guys, and lighten up a bit while you are at it.
Do people seriously expect Mythic to just start over from scratch when they had one of the first and still relatively successful MMORPGs in the western world? And the first seriously organized PvP game.
They are just going to throw all that out the window and start over? That would be retarded.
Do you realize how many aspects of DAOC WoW copied. Its a lot. I am not going to list. It has been done a million times.
The entire premise of these arguments is that Mythic should be completely stupid and throw out all their hardwork and hard learned lessons, because WoW copied them.
I mean did people suddenly lose their capability to reason in their desire for some kind of new gameplay? Fine people want a Darkfall or something (not that they support games like DDO that have truly different gameplay).
Learn to separate the two. Of course WAR is going to sahre about 50% of things with WoW. 20% they share because WoW did some stuff right. The rest they are going to share because WoW copied them and letting someone else bitch you out like that would be stupid. No matter how many dumbasses try to pull political tricks and claim WoW has the high ground.
WoW does not have the high ground. Just because you want something different than EQ-style games. Does not mean there is anything wrong with WAR.
Get over it.
Your entire post is pure dribble. A bunch of sentences stringed together, and placed out there, as if they were fact. You on more then one time said people were "wrong" in your post. Please explain who made you judge, jury, and executioner on what's right and wrong for everyone.
A game should be fun from the start. Not simply when you get to end game. If you aren't having fun for the first 39 levels of your characters 120 levels. Then why are those first 39 even there? IMHO, one of Warhammers problems is the game isn't fun PvE wise at the start. Sure if you jump into a Scenario from the start. You might have fun, that changes person to person though. I found that Warhammer didn't get interesting till level 8 and beyond. I got a generally sucktastic feeling from most of the classes from 1 to 7.
The red parts I highlighted in your original post, are what make it dribble. The blue part is just pure foolishness at best. Reread your post and please then tell us who is really passing off "opinion" as "fact".
If you refuse to accept universal truths as truth then you can always say that things are opinion. However many of the things I listed are in fact universal truths.
Can you honestly tell me that when playing a game you would rather have the first 10 minutes more enjoyable than the rest of the day/months/years you will spend playing? No. Therefore the first levels are NOT nearly as important as the rest of the game. Not to mention the first levels of most games are basically a tutorial. We cannot assume everyone is an MMO vet and can just hop right in to the action. You learn how to play the game over the first 10 or so levels. If you have a problem with that then you probably should never play another video game period because basically every game is like this.
The saying "less is more" is a certainly not true when it comes to a video game. I do not know too many people who want LESS content and are seeking for things to be totally linear. As I stated before WoW has ONE way to level. That is through questing and questing alone. In WAR you have questing, public questing, RVR, Scenarios, ect. This pretty much blows away the argument that WAR is lacking content (at least in comparison to WoW). If you like the way WoW did it, WAR has it, if you want something new WAR has it. So why would you want to play WoW?
Unless you have decided to redefine the words "blind faith" then I stand by what I said before. Telling me I am going in to a game with blind faith when I have spent a plethora of time playing makes you wrong. Once again this is a universal truth.
I would LOVE for you to actually explain WHY my post is "pure foolishness" instead of just saying it. The fact is the OP is making an assumption about WAR when he has spent virtually NO time playing it. Maybe he is a WoW fanboy, maybe he got beat up too many times in DAoC and has issues with mythic, to be honest I don't know why he said what he did. But the only thing he showed me in his post is that he is trying to bash a game before he even gives it a try. Heck maybe he works for blizzard and is trying to bash it to save them some subs.
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End game is not what makes a game thats what keeps you playing a game. If you can't make it to end game because the game is so lame along the path you dont make it to your so called holy grail End game. Point blank your first paragraph needs to be rewritten.
OMG you said in your 2nd Paragraph that leveling up was so boring so you didnt play. Next
You played all of the few levels the open beta let you play. And the only reason why the reviewer had only that much time to play is because thats what mythic gave him. You can't expect a review 2 go well when you cant even play the game how you want too. Mythic mistake for even letting the guy try it out if they werent going to let them play it.
WoW WoW WoW can anybody try and keep WoW out of there statements when they try to prove points about things they know nothing about? So don't praise War when you have only played .001% of content aswell.
Your post is foolishness. Because it's not a full review. It was his first impression of the game. He even went out of his way to point out. That he had a limited amount of time with the game. Yet you blast him calling his comments "Blind Bias"
Your post is foolishness. Because you are spouting off opinions like they are fact. You, much like alot of the people in this thread. Took cheap shots at him, for stating what he felt during his play time. How arrogant do you have to be. To tell him that HIS impression of the game is wrong?
I find Warhammer Online to currently be an average MMO at best right now. I guess just because you think it isn't. That makes it some sort of universal truth, that I'm wrong? Just who on this entire planet gave you enough aurthority to tell me or others. That what we say or think is wrong, and that's exactly what your post says. "I think this is right, so that makes all of you wrong, simply because I said so."
If you think the guy in the review, me, or anyone else is wrong about Warhammer. Then by all means please prove it. Because last time I checked. Things pretaining to games such as fun, graphics, etc. Were all subjective things. So if you REALLY believe you can provide proof that puts his impressions/opinion or even mine in the wrong. Post it up.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
A lot of people keep bring up this "1st Impression" statement. The problem with this guys mini review is not about the obvious fact of the clunky combat, dark graphics, and other simularities to WoW. It is the fact that he drew a conclusion that the game was a let down.
He clearly stated that he hoped for so much more. He wanted to see uniqueness and yada yada yada. Yet he only experienced 10 minutes of the game and came to this conclusion of doom and gloom. The guy didn't even PvP!! He didn't play around with the fully customizable interface. He didnt dye his armor, he didn't do anything "unique" to the game.
Lastly he is very misinformed like many other reviewers and posters on this site. Mythic has clearly stated that they are not trying to be a WoW killer. They are trying to be a competetive, successful, game that attracts the pvp fanbase of MMO games.
People keep putting these words into their mouths that they plan to beat WoW and steal subscriptions numbers etc. Mythic has never said this once.
Of course WAR is a WoW clone... How does this surprise anyone?
Anyone who denies it is just kidding themselves.
Tecmo Bowl.
Darkfall is coming, and it's not a clone.
Its to be expected, anybody who knows anything about what makes an RPG fun knew that AoC was going to suck, Warhammer Online IS going to suck. Becuase it offers no content of its own. It has all these PVP oriented things, but they don't realize. PVP is boring unless there is a reason to. PVP IS EXTREMELY boring. Its just like killing a monster. Especially if your a good pvper, you establish a set of routines that work against the class youre fighting against and just execute them, like writing a book.
Which is what all these pvp games don't realize, if you don't give a real genuine reason to pvp, you might as well be calling it a PVE game. AND FIGHTING for control of a castle is not a reason, thats a pve reason.
I'm talking about real power, what gives you power in a game, its all about risk and reward. If you risk something, and lose it, its going to BURN. And you will remember who took it from you, and so a guild war will ensue.
Hopefully people will realize this.
Warhammer will suck, through all its endevors to make a PVP game.. It's going to suck
First of all, I played WAR in closed beta so do not assume that I only have limited open beta experience. You are missing the point. This guy did not even play past the "tutorial" part of the game. End game is where all the great stuff usually happens. In WAR the fun starts increasing a lot by the time you reach t2 (around level) and that can be reached in one or two days EASILY. The fun factor of the game increases exponentially. if you actually thought about what you were saying you would realize that is the best way to keep people interested. Better to be less fun at first and more fun as you continue the game if you are trying to make sure people stay subscribed.
Yes I did say leveling up was boring so I did not do it in WoW. The point is that in WAR it is no longer boring. if this guy played the game for more than 10 minutes he may have actually gotten in to the parts of the game that are fun. Scenarios, PQ's, RVR, ect. Instead he says that the game is a total disappointment based on 10 minutes of game play. He makes it sound like mythic is in some horrible situation and they have to redo the whole game and make major changes to save it before it is too late, but he knows absolutely NOTHING about the game.
You said you cannot expect a review to go well when you cannot even play the way you want, and that is correct. So why would he even make a review? He knows the game was very limited to him and he did not see hardly anything, so why go out and bash it?
People in this thread are complaining that WAR is a WoW clone and that why I brought it up. WAR has some similarities with WoW. WoW was successful and so they saw what was good about it and then improved upon it tenfold with a new and interesting story. This is how companies compete and do business. if you don't like it then ignore it, because it happens in everything not just MMO's.
My post was not intended to be a full review. I posted in response to the OP I was not here to offer a full review to you. The OP gave a VERY incomplete review so I am assuming you think his post is foolish as well?
I actually backed up what I said with information from the game. You on the other hand just said "I find WAR to be an average MMO at best . I guess just because you think it isn't". If you want to talk about people saying foolish things there it is. You have proven that despite what WAR does you will dislike it. It could have many more options than WoW (which is does) but you still would not give the game a chance simply because you like to argue.
The OP complaining about the colors of the game after 10 minutes of play is also absurd. In WoW if you saw someone playing in the Desolace for 10 minutes you would say that the colors were terrible as well. When you see one area you cannot give a complete judgment on the colors of the game. The graphics settings have been forced to be at a very low level with a lot of the advanced settings not even available yet. If anyone did any research for about 10 minute you could find this out and you would not have to look at some guy who posted about his 3 levels of experience in the game for fact.
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A lot of people keep bring up this "1st Impression" statement. The problem with this guys mini review is not about the obvious fact of the clunky combat, dark graphics, and other simularities to WoW. It is the fact that he drew a conclusion that the game was a let down.
He clearly stated that he hoped for so much more. He wanted to see uniqueness and yada yada yada. Yet he only experienced 10 minutes of the game and came to this conclusion of doom and gloom. The guy didn't even PvP!! He didn't play around with the fully customizable interface. He didnt dye his armor, he didn't do anything "unique" to the game.
Lastly he is very misinformed like many other reviewers and posters on this site. Mythic has clearly stated that they are not trying to be a WoW killer. They are trying to be a competetive, successful, game that attracts the pvp fanbase of MMO games.
People keep putting these words into their mouths that they plan to beat WoW and steal subscriptions numbers etc. Mythic has never said this once.
The problem is you have to be a WOW killer or people will just rather play WOW than WAR and then WAR will be another niche mmorpg that has around 200-400k subs and in constant decline.
Aww, you're such a cute cuddly
Minijag? You're an idiot.
I don't often say things like that online, because most times folks will just baw or flame or what-have-you, but you, my friend, have taken the proverbial cake.
You're blasting a game for having boring gameplay when it is billed as a PvP game and you clearly dislike PvP. You may as well say "Hey, fuck orange juice" when you don't like citrus. Just as ludicrous.
Also, you -do- have a reason to PvP. You PvP and you win and now, suddenly, you and everyone else in the area are getting MUCH more XP and Renown for fighting, which improves your ability to increase your power. And that's all these games are about; you're gaining power, you're growing your numbers and feeling good about it. You don't have a reason to PvE beyond getting new items and seeing new things... well, the tiered PvP areas are new things to see and the Renown training and rewards are new things to get.
When you get kicked out of a castle you own, you're going to be pissed. All your vendor prices will go up, your defenses will weaken, and your empire's growth on the whole will stagnate. You want it back. AND there's great loot dropping for the folks who do castle sieges, even when it's just a PvE deal and no defenders are around.
I agree with you that risk and reward is great and I like EVE Online for that reason, but that's not what this game is about. This game is not designed to work that way; it's designed to be a fighting game. Hop in, fight. Don't worry too much; hop in, battle, have fun, and enjoy the war. That's what it's for. you want to calculate your risk and figure your rewards, go play EVE, that's what it's for. Hardcore, full-loot PvP is great in some situations, but it doesn't fit this game. So go play something it -does- fit and shut your gibbering mouth about games whose styles you're not big on.
TL;DR: You're complaining because you don't like something and it's what the game is about. Go bawww elsewhere, and stop asking for people to justify your time spent.
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Elaborate.
What, because it has quests? Or does it copy WoW because it has PVP as well?
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I didn't get past the first paragraph, I didn't have to. This dope admitted he didn't play the game past lvl 3, and that 3 lvls in an MMO isn't enough to draw conclusions from, yet that's exactly what he did. Seriously, this clown should have just kept his mouth shut b/c I can almost guarantee that if he was able to sit down and spend some real time with the game his opinion would have been much different.
You can NOT get a good enough feel for WAR in the first 3 lvls. You just can't. he didn't experience any of the Scenarios, Open-world RvR, or Keep and City Sieges to get a real feel for the game and what it's all about.
Eh, I don't really care what people that draw such quick conclusions have to say. I personally can't wait til the 18th, and the years beyond. I have enjoyed the last year I've spent in beta immensely, in-fact, I can't recall a game I have enjoyed so much since waaay back in the day when I started playing EQ, and then when I first got into DAoC. I liked it that much.
Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all wine and roses. When I first started testing the game was in pretty bad shape, but over the last few months it has shaped up into one of the most engaging, and fun MMOs I have played in a long time. Let the haters stick w/ WoW, or whatever, there will be more then enough people playing WAR.
Why is there such a long thread based on someones opinion who just sat down with this for a few minutes at a convention?
Seriously. We have thousands of people in beta, who have played past level 3, why are we getting all upset over this guys comments. Good lord.
Actually, DAoC was the first game to have BGs, sorry WOWbois.
Actually, DAoC was the first game to have BGs, sorry WOWbois.
I forgot about DAoC!
Exactly.
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"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Exactly.
not really. Im a huge warhammer fan and quite frankly, I think this is another good example of how Warcry's reviews are useless (AoC anybody?).
They need to step up the quality, cause right now, they should be embarassed. Im a science major and I think ive written more informative peices in a first year poetry class. (had no final exam :P)
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
He was giving his opinion on the things he could see/do in the first 3 levels, he wasn't saying "after 10 minutes of playtime, I conclude that this game sucks in it's entirety".
Besides, a good game would be able to grab someone's attention quickly in a positive way. If you read any hands-on of Aion at PAX or GC, you'll see the reviewers got little time to play the game, but they all say they walked away impressed. That does NOT mean they're saying the game is a masterpiece, it mean that what they saw at the time was good.
lol... imo.. why even make a review after only playing 3 levels... Where the hell is the sence in that? - He must be an EVOLVED TROLL! ... He just took it to the next level..
The sad part about this review is that he is correct. It is indeed WoW but only the simple fact that it is geared towards PvP and RvR, not PvE. But really, most of the gameplay is very much like WoW.
Its pretty hard to make a game that isnt alot like something seen before, but for WAR's protection it can allways be said, that Wow chars look like WAR, in the end, it has been there alot longer.
But thay are somewhat very similar in ways, i am only level 10 atm, so havent seen it all yet. But i am still glad im gonna play this from now on instead of Wow.