There was a time when games weren't announced until they were released. They just appeared in your local games shop or you saw them reviewed in that months game magazines.
Basically you want free entertainment such as video's, stuff to read on websites, screenshots ect.
Gonna pay for all that? Because it does actually cost them time and money to entertain you in such a fashion.
If you want to know detailed information about it's features then play it when it comes out, if you like it you can buy it.
Any other information should viewed as a freebie from the devs.
Actually I am not really defending them at all let alone like family. I was bored and am merely having fun poking holes in your logic lol. Though it has become far to easy so even this has begun to bore me. The point is...... 1) You asked for a free trial........ There giving one lol so be patient 2) You want a video with a Dev explaning things about the game ...... They gave you one lol 3) you want an update every two weeks........... it was 6 days ago since the last update and it was a doozy lol so that gives them a around another week lol 4) You complained they couldn't do closed beta, open beta and launch in the little time left........ closed beta has been going on for awhile lol like a year+ lol, Proffessional Testers are hired for closed beta's not Alpha's atleast this has been my experience when I was paid to do closed beta's lol. It was fun but now I'm done lol. Wait or don't wait it isn't any skin off my teeth lol, the companies going to do what it's going to do regardless of you so either live with it or move on, no point in getting all bent out of shape over a Video Game lol. Not like it's a kindney your needing that your waiting for an update on oO lol. As the saying goes "Less QQ more PWW PWW" or something like that lol in any case good night. Edited to add one last thing: Were not customers till we start paying lol!
Poking holes in his logics? His point made perfect sence. Those "gameplay" vids WERE very shallow to say at best. The site does not have much information or anything and they do not give the impression they spend their time with the community explaining what they have and don't have so far.
And what the hell is a "professional beta tester" anyway? Most weird thing I've ever heard :P Is that like, the koreans that Blizzard gathered to play StarCraft 2? And there has been no leaks whatsoever about the beta... ALL games has that no matter what! Why not Darkfall? Odd.
And a side note, wth does QQ mean? It's annoying cus I see it everywhere but nobody ever explain what it stands for
QQ means whining or pouting about something. Kind of what you and the OP are doing with regards to Aventurine not adding up to your expectations. Enough said.
Poking holes in his logics? His point made perfect sence. Those "gameplay" vids WERE very shallow to say at best. The site does not have much information or anything and they do not give the impression they spend their time with the community explaining what they have and don't have so far.
And what the hell is a "professional beta tester" anyway? Most weird thing I've ever heard :P Is that like, the koreans that Blizzard gathered to play StarCraft 2? And there has been no leaks whatsoever about the beta... ALL games has that no matter what! Why not Darkfall? Odd.
And a side note, wth does QQ mean? It's annoying cus I see it everywhere but nobody ever explain what it stands for
What you refer to as a beta is just marketing really, it doesn't have much to do actually testing the game, you can see that by how little changes from "beta" to release.
These public beta's have only been happening for a few years, they didn't acutally exist until quite recently.
Why do you think Blizzard is doing the Starcraft 2 beta in Korea, which is their largest Starcraft market?
It seems a bit strange as all the feedback from bug testing would have to be painstakingly translated into English so the people fixing the bugs could actually do their job, unless it was it was extremely rudimentary multiple choice type stuff.
The translation would probably take a team of translators several years, hmmm maybe they are only moderate hardware testing and stress testing which would only take a week if that lol.
In my experience, companies that are dodgy or hide a lot of info from the public usually have a good reason for doing it -- there's usually a real problem. I'm not fortune teller, but it's pretty obvious to me that this game will not be coming out in 2008. Once again, a deadline will come and go.
In my experience, companies that are dodgy or hide a lot of info from the public usually have a good reason for doing it -- there's usually a real problem. I'm not fortune teller, but it's pretty obvious to me that this game will not be coming out in 2008. Once again, a deadline will come and go.
So being on national TV playing the game live is hiding?
In my experience, companies that are dodgy or hide a lot of info from the public usually have a good reason for doing it -- there's usually a real problem. I'm not fortune teller, but it's pretty obvious to me that this game will not be coming out in 2008. Once again, a deadline will come and go.
So being on national TV playing the game live is hiding?
I'll tell you what... If this game releases before Q2 of 2009, I'll admit to being wrong. Compared to every other MMO production I've seen, yes they are hiding something. There's a very noticable lack of information.
Of course, I'm just giving my opinion. If you disagree, good for you! I hope you are right.
In my experience, companies that are dodgy or hide a lot of info from the public usually have a good reason for doing it -- there's usually a real problem. I'm not fortune teller, but it's pretty obvious to me that this game will not be coming out in 2008. Once again, a deadline will come and go.
So being on national TV playing the game live is hiding?
I'll tell you what... If this game releases before Q2 of 2009, I'll admit to being wrong. Compared to every other MMO production I've seen, yes they are hiding something. There's a very noticable lack of information.
Of course, I'm just giving my opinion. If you disagree, good for you! I hope you are right.
Deathstrike2, please provide some clear evidence of this "very noticable" lack of information you are claiming about, besides this little insignificant thread that a few people are agreeing with the OP and complaining about the lack of information.
Everyone should start demanding a new release date because they cant obviously finish beta, have an open beta, and then release all this year. They have taken 7 years making this game and they still only have very little information coming out. I have seen this crap before. (Dark and Light/Mourning for examples) They always have this awesome list of features and make their game out to be in perfect shape then they hit us with a load of crap after years of hype. By now they should honor everyone with a weekend test to see what it is like or start showing off more videos or keep us up to date as the game gets closer to a release. Some of you may take the typical stand for your game like they should be busy working on the game, etc. Dont waste your time this game needs to stop jerking around and give people something to get confident in this game. MMOs are far to untrustworthy these days if they want any success they have to be giving every detail perfection if they want to compete.
I hate to say it but I share the same concerns as you, despite the fact that they already said this and that and its being tested and blah blah
Just been there done that before like dark and light. Was promised the world for years. Major lack of info but promises of "Its being tested everything is running GREAT" Then look what happened.
I think its basic logic to have the same skepticism the op is showing with the track record of not only MMO's but with small development companies such as aventurine.
In my experience, companies that are dodgy or hide a lot of info from the public usually have a good reason for doing it -- there's usually a real problem. I'm not fortune teller, but it's pretty obvious to me that this game will not be coming out in 2008. Once again, a deadline will come and go.
My point exactly! You explained it much easier. They would restore alot of confidence if they put out some more proof of their systems in and working perfectly.
When you have followed MMOs as long as some of us have you know when a game is shaping up to be a let down. This game makes me feel strongly that way. A little more involvement with us is all im asking and its well deserved after this long. The recent burst of information was good but its just not enough.
You sound like every person defending dark and light and mourning. People have doubts about and game and you scream troll. If anyone is immature it is you. He is right, I see pictures with good graphics and others without. Same with videos. That is a very bad sign.
The features of the game are beyong great. No one is denying it if you actaully read out posts. I would love to see this game come out and be awesome. I dont have the confidence (like many others) to even say the game will come out. I especially dont have the confidence in it to say it will do well.
If anyone could be wasting ur time its the devs if they release the game without the features you and I are so excited about.
In my experience, companies that are dodgy or hide a lot of info from the public usually have a good reason for doing it -- there's usually a real problem. I'm not fortune teller, but it's pretty obvious to me that this game will not be coming out in 2008. Once again, a deadline will come and go.
So being on national TV playing the game live is hiding?
I'll tell you what... If this game releases before Q2 of 2009, I'll admit to being wrong. Compared to every other MMO production I've seen, yes they are hiding something. There's a very noticable lack of information.
Of course, I'm just giving my opinion. If you disagree, good for you! I hope you are right.
Well it might turn out a bad game, but at this stage I don't really see what else they can do with regard to information.
There are video's, there are screen shots, there are voluminous dev journals. That is quite a lot of information.
All they can really do now is let people play the game. Until beta any kind of public beta starts there not much more they can tell us with out people experiencing it first hand.
They could make multiple walkthrough video's of the features but I think thats a bit much to ask for. They don't employ a full time video production crew and people to specifically to pump out info like big publishers probably do so it's all extra expense and time that could be used on the game. Which other mmo's are you talking about? They probably have big publishers doing the advertising.
You sound like every person defending dark and light and mourning. People have doubts about and game and you scream troll. If anyone is immature it is you. He is right, I see pictures with good graphics and others without. Same with videos. That is a very bad sign. The features of the game are beyong great. No one is denying it if you actaully read out posts. I would love to see this game come out and be awesome. I dont have the confidence (like many others) to even say the game will come out. I especially dont have the confidence in it to say it will do well. If anyone could be wasting ur time its the devs if they release the game without the features you and I are so excited about.
Don't try to tell the fans, they never care/listen. And I completely agree, this feels very much deja vu to the Dark And Light days. It's the same situation we were in back there.
If I shall try to be anywhere near reasonable I'd say that IF, yes IF this game comes out it will probably be about 2/3 (or 1/2) of what was promised. Not that it could not be good, but I just see NO way they could pull everything off as great as it sounds right now.
And even IF they pull everything off it still has to be FUN and bug free. And a game of theese proportions are more often than not a complete haven for bugs and other roaches. And from a small dev team like this being able to terminate them all fast would not feel so likely.
I really hope this game will do well, but at this point it's all just a myth carried on by forum-fan-cults here and there.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
You sound like every person defending dark and light and mourning. People have doubts about and game and you scream troll. If anyone is immature it is you. He is right, I see pictures with good graphics and others without. Same with videos. That is a very bad sign. The features of the game are beyong great. No one is denying it if you actaully read out posts. I would love to see this game come out and be awesome. I dont have the confidence (like many others) to even say the game will come out. I especially dont have the confidence in it to say it will do well. If anyone could be wasting ur time its the devs if they release the game without the features you and I are so excited about.
Don't try to tell the fans, they never care/listen. And I completely agree, this feels very much deja vu to the Dark And Light days. It's the same situation we were in back there.
If I shall try to be anywhere near reasonable I'd say that IF, yes IF this game comes out it will probably be about 2/3 (or 1/2) of what was promised. Not that it could not be good, but I just see NO way they could pull everything off as great as it sounds right now.
And even IF they pull everything off it still has to be FUN and bug free. And a game of theese proportions are more often than not a complete haven for bugs and other roaches. And from a small dev team like this being able to terminate them all fast would not feel so likely.
I really hope this game will do well, but at this point it's all just a myth carried on by forum-fan-cults here and there.
Well to be fair how is masses of info any guarentee of good game? Aoc and WAR looked frickin amazing pre release and look how they turned out.
There seems to be no parallel between info and good game in my eyes.
Well to be fair how is masses of info any guarentee of good game? Aoc and WAR looked frickin amazing pre release and look how they turned out. There seems to be no parallel between info and good game in my eyes.
No guarantee, but it helps to terminate un-wanted fanboyism and lets people get a better idea of how the game is going to be like in advance.
I did not ever follow up on AoC so I can't say how that situation was, neither have I ever played it. But I never followed it because I knew it was not going to be anything special. And today, you hear far too much about how awful it is.
Warhammer I followed closely for a long time. And it has turned out very well. Not everything got into final game, but pretty damn close! Which is amazing IMO. And they are doing one hell of a job giving the players patches and hotfixes. Even 1.1 coming in december adding two of the cut classes and balance changes.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Well to be fair how is masses of info any guarentee of good game? Aoc and WAR looked frickin amazing pre release and look how they turned out. There seems to be no parallel between info and good game in my eyes.
No guarantee, but it helps to terminate un-wanted fanboyism and lets people get a better idea of how the game is going to be like in advance.
I did not ever follow up on AoC so I can't say how that situation was, neither have I ever played it. But I never followed it because I knew it was not going to be anything special. And today, you hear far too much about how awful it is.
Warhammer I followed closely for a long time. And it has turned out very well. Not everything got into final game, but pretty damn close! Which is amazing IMO. And they are doing one hell of a job giving the players patches and hotfixes. Even 1.1 coming in december adding two of the cut classes and balance changes.
I would say that it does the exact opposite really and promotes rampant fanboyism, which is the whole point of marketing. Nobody on this forum can says it's a certain thing that Darkfall will be a good game, all they can say is that they like the proposed features. They can see if they like when hopefully they get to trial the actual finished game for free, not a segemented peep hole type view in a beta or after paying for it.
AoC and WAR had masses of videos and actively lead people on, and now there are a of lot complaints about buggy game, missing features, unexpected TOA grinds ect. Just look on those games forums or any game forum and they heaving with complaints.
Darkfall has not really done that, anyone who's overhyped about this game has nobody to blame but themselves.
There was way too much lack of information for this game since its inception. I too want to play this game - I've just given up on the hype. I'll be totally shocked if this game releases in 2009 at all. Does anyone consider the cost involved for creating a game for the past 7 years? Assume they have only 10 people working on the game making a modest $50,000 per year. That's $3.5 million in expenses in salary alone with no income at all. It's not hard to see why some people are so skeptical of this game. But I do hope it comes out.... eventually....
As an x marketing person for many consumer products....I have to say I am stunned at how potential customers are treated by the company.Heck...you can encourage the mass of customers AT LEAST to encourage, hold ,and even build interest.They could release a few screen shots......answer forum questions.....give progress reports etc etc.What company wouldn't love throngs of customers standing outside their door pounding on it for the slightest bit of information..orly to receive NOTHING but files of a conference to a few of the media and fans in a language only a small percentage of the world understands.This lack of interest in encouraging potential consumers suggests similar behavior going forward.Have a need to speak to a customer service rep....that may be a challenge.Have a billing issue....perhaps an issue.Got a technical problem...hope you can write Greek.There is nothing more valuable than a potential customers good will...and this concept just doesn't seem to have even the slightest comprehension among the Darkfall management and staff.
Frankly I think the "game" deserves exactly the same level of attention from potential subscribers as the company has given TO those potential customers......and in my opinion thats very little.
As an x marketing person for many consumer products....I have to say I am stunned at how potential customers are treated by the company.Heck...you can encourage the mass of customers AT LEAST to encourage, hold ,and even build interest.They could release a few screen shots......answer forum questions.....give progress reports etc etc.What company wouldn't love throngs of customers standing outside their door pounding on it for the slightest bit of information..orly to receive NOTHING but files of a conference to a few of the media and fans in a language only a small percentage of the world understands.This lack of interest in encouraging potential consumers suggests similar behavior going forward.Have a need to speak to a customer service rep....that may be a challenge.Have a billing issue....perhaps an issue.Got a technical problem...hope you can write Greek.There is nothing more valuable than a potential customers good will...and this concept just doesn't seem to have even the slightest comprehension among the Darkfall management and staff.
They have done most of what you have said as shown in this thread here, it's easy to find if you look.
What they haven't done is plaster themselves all over youtube yelling "This is the best game ever!!!1!"
Is that what people want these days? That way they get to buy top quality games like Aoc, WAR or Vanguard with the assurance of the marketing team that it really is amazing and they will never need another game and we have video's to prove it!.
I would say that it does the exact opposite really and promotes rampant fanboyism, which is the whole point of marketing. Nobody on this forum can says it's a certain thing that Darkfall will be a good game, all they can say is that they like the proposed features. They can see if they like when hopefully they get to trial the actual finished game for free, not a segemented peep hole type view in a beta or after paying for it. AoC and WAR had masses of videos and actively lead people on, and now there are a of lot complaints about buggy game, missing features, unexpected TOA grinds ect. Just look on those games forums or any game forum and they heaving with complaints. Darkfall has not really done that, anyone who's overhyped about this game has nobody to blame but themselves.
The difference with those games and Darkfall were at least that people discussed things that were described into details and written about alot. Even alot of things that were constantly leaked at many places so people were CERTAIN about many things.
Whatever you see or read on forums, WAR is doing well, and will continue on doing so with Mythic by the rudders. They know their deal and they marketed Warhammer in a great way and in all honesty WAR - today - IS exactly what it was said to be.
The reason people are so hyped about Darkfall in many cases is that they don't KNOW much enough and therefore their IMAGINATION kicks in to fill the gaps they don't know about. Creating their own perfect game in their minds
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I would say that it does the exact opposite really and promotes rampant fanboyism, which is the whole point of marketing. Nobody on this forum can says it's a certain thing that Darkfall will be a good game, all they can say is that they like the proposed features. They can see if they like when hopefully they get to trial the actual finished game for free, not a segemented peep hole type view in a beta or after paying for it. AoC and WAR had masses of videos and actively lead people on, and now there are a of lot complaints about buggy game, missing features, unexpected TOA grinds ect. Just look on those games forums or any game forum and they heaving with complaints. Darkfall has not really done that, anyone who's overhyped about this game has nobody to blame but themselves.
The difference with those games and Darkfall were at least that people discussed things that were described into details and written about alot. Even alot of things that were constantly leaked at many places so people were CERTAIN about many things.
Whatever you see or read on forums, WAR is doing well, and will continue on doing so with Mythic by the rudders. They know their deal and they marketed Warhammer in a great way and in all honesty WAR - today - IS exactly what it was said to be.
The reason people are so hyped about Darkfall in many cases is that they don't KNOW much enough and therefore their IMAGINATION kicks in to fill the gaps they don't know about. Creating their own perfect game in their minds
I can't speak for anyone else but I am not expecting the perfect game. I am expecting full loot, ffapvp. no levels ect, how it is actually implemented I don't know until I play it, but if I am playing for free for a while then that doesn't really matter.
People are mostly hyped because of the oldschool style which hasn't been seen for a while, and that is something we are certain of because the devs has said it is ffa pvp with full loot and skills, that is not really something that can cock up. It might be a bad game but it will have some of features we like, which will make up for other failings as long as they aren't utterly game breaking.
I'm sorry gonna to have give WAR a bit of bashing now.
Paul Barnett insisted on youtube that there was no grind in WAR, or strongly suggested it, and now it turns out there is a 5 full set TOA grind that you have to do in order to do the endgame.
I would rather have no info at all on DF than that kind of dubious marketing.
I would say that it does the exact opposite really and promotes rampant fanboyism, which is the whole point of marketing. Nobody on this forum can says it's a certain thing that Darkfall will be a good game, all they can say is that they like the proposed features. They can see if they like when hopefully they get to trial the actual finished game for free, not a segemented peep hole type view in a beta or after paying for it. AoC and WAR had masses of videos and actively lead people on, and now there are a of lot complaints about buggy game, missing features, unexpected TOA grinds ect. Just look on those games forums or any game forum and they heaving with complaints. Darkfall has not really done that, anyone who's overhyped about this game has nobody to blame but themselves.
The difference with those games and Darkfall were at least that people discussed things that were described into details and written about alot. Even alot of things that were constantly leaked at many places so people were CERTAIN about many things.
Whatever you see or read on forums, WAR is doing well, and will continue on doing so with Mythic by the rudders. They know their deal and they marketed Warhammer in a great way and in all honesty WAR - today - IS exactly what it was said to be.
The reason people are so hyped about Darkfall in many cases is that they don't KNOW much enough and therefore their IMAGINATION kicks in to fill the gaps they don't know about. Creating their own perfect game in their minds
Dude is this all you have to do is come on darkfall and try to convert us to warhammer fans???? We dont give a crap about Warhammer and how they work. Darkfall is what it is and will be what people expect. They havnt rushed anything. They supplyed us with enough info. Darkfall will not need to be a big advertisement like Warhammer did people will play it because it's good not because they advertised it.
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I can't speak for anyone else but I am not expecting the perfect game. I am expecting full loot, ffapvp. no levels ect, how it is actually implemented I don't know until I play it, but if I am playing for free for a while then that doesn't really matter. People are mostly hyped because of the oldschool style which hasn't been seen for a while, and that is something we are certain of because the devs has said it is ffa pvp with full loot and skills, that is not really something that can cock up. It might be a bad game but it will have some of features we like, which will make up for other failings as long as they aren't utterly game breaking. I'm sorry gonna to have give WAR a bit of bashing now. Paul Barnett insisted on youtube that there was no grind in WAR, or strongly suggested it, and now it turns out there is a 5 full set TOA grind that you have to do in order to do the endgame. I would rather have no info at all on DF than that kind of dubious marketing.
I would probably guess there would be some degree of leveling/grind in Darkfall at least. Wether it would be using one skill 1000 times to "level it" or something similar. Or killing mobs to get money to buy stuff (you know, the usual)
And I wish all DF fans were as bright as you are on the front where you realize you might not get the perfect game but it's all good and you will bear with it as long as you have a couple of features you really really like. In your case full-loot, ffapvp and so on.
And about your WAR issue, whoever swallowed every word Paul said is completely deluded. I saw him for what he was, a marketing monkey. Sure he knows alot and has alot of power within the company, but he really was just a marketing icon and a figure of humor! I enjoy every second with Paul and I can do that because I know that he exaggerates and not everything he say might be as interesting as it actually is.
Also I'd like to hear from any person in the world who really believed there would be no "grind" in WAR. OFC it would! It has levels, that alone is considered "grind" by most.
I don't consider TETRIS grinding for an example, you only do ONE thing over and over, yet it's so addicting and you love the feeling each time when you get a "line". That addicting feeling of MORE! And I could be grinding my *** off without knowing it as long as I have FUN while doing it and doesn't have to think about it.
And I haven't really confirmed the issue you stated, do you need to get a full set gear to be able to participate in the end-game? Could you link some source that can explain to me or could you personally fill me in? It would really stink if you had to do that indeed, but as long as the method of getting the gear is fun I wouldn't care too much.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Dude is this all you have to do is come on darkfall and try to convert us to warhammer fans???? We dont give a crap about Warhammer and how they work. Darkfall is what it is and will be what people expect. They havnt rushed anything. They supplyed us with enough info. Darkfall will not need to be a big advertisement like Warhammer did people will play it because it's good not because they advertised it.
No... I am not trying to convert anyone. I drew a couple of comparisons from Warhammer and used it as a reference to my arguments to make my points.
Calm down, drink something cold.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
All im asking for is some more involvement with giving some of us something real to look at instead of the FAQ's thats been the exact same for years. Im not asking for all the marketing. They have alot of things on their website that they havent proven in a video to show us they have been working on it. Setting the laws of the land, setting up patrols of your npcs, etc etc. Theres many features in their FAQs that I doubt are in. They havent even discussed most of them for years.
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Why do they need to give us more info?
There was a time when games weren't announced until they were released. They just appeared in your local games shop or you saw them reviewed in that months game magazines.
Basically you want free entertainment such as video's, stuff to read on websites, screenshots ect.
Gonna pay for all that? Because it does actually cost them time and money to entertain you in such a fashion.
If you want to know detailed information about it's features then play it when it comes out, if you like it you can buy it.
Any other information should viewed as a freebie from the devs.
Poking holes in his logics? His point made perfect sence. Those "gameplay" vids WERE very shallow to say at best. The site does not have much information or anything and they do not give the impression they spend their time with the community explaining what they have and don't have so far.
And what the hell is a "professional beta tester" anyway? Most weird thing I've ever heard :P Is that like, the koreans that Blizzard gathered to play StarCraft 2? And there has been no leaks whatsoever about the beta... ALL games has that no matter what! Why not Darkfall? Odd.
And a side note, wth does QQ mean? It's annoying cus I see it everywhere but nobody ever explain what it stands for
QQ means whining or pouting about something. Kind of what you and the OP are doing with regards to Aventurine not adding up to your expectations. Enough said.
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Poking holes in his logics? His point made perfect sence. Those "gameplay" vids WERE very shallow to say at best. The site does not have much information or anything and they do not give the impression they spend their time with the community explaining what they have and don't have so far.
And what the hell is a "professional beta tester" anyway? Most weird thing I've ever heard :P Is that like, the koreans that Blizzard gathered to play StarCraft 2? And there has been no leaks whatsoever about the beta... ALL games has that no matter what! Why not Darkfall? Odd.
And a side note, wth does QQ mean? It's annoying cus I see it everywhere but nobody ever explain what it stands for
What you refer to as a beta is just marketing really, it doesn't have much to do actually testing the game, you can see that by how little changes from "beta" to release.
These public beta's have only been happening for a few years, they didn't acutally exist until quite recently.
Why do you think Blizzard is doing the Starcraft 2 beta in Korea, which is their largest Starcraft market?
It seems a bit strange as all the feedback from bug testing would have to be painstakingly translated into English so the people fixing the bugs could actually do their job, unless it was it was extremely rudimentary multiple choice type stuff.
The translation would probably take a team of translators several years, hmmm maybe they are only moderate hardware testing and stress testing which would only take a week if that lol.
In my experience, companies that are dodgy or hide a lot of info from the public usually have a good reason for doing it -- there's usually a real problem. I'm not fortune teller, but it's pretty obvious to me that this game will not be coming out in 2008. Once again, a deadline will come and go.
So being on national TV playing the game live is hiding?
So being on national TV playing the game live is hiding?
I'll tell you what... If this game releases before Q2 of 2009, I'll admit to being wrong. Compared to every other MMO production I've seen, yes they are hiding something. There's a very noticable lack of information.
Of course, I'm just giving my opinion. If you disagree, good for you! I hope you are right.
So being on national TV playing the game live is hiding?
I'll tell you what... If this game releases before Q2 of 2009, I'll admit to being wrong. Compared to every other MMO production I've seen, yes they are hiding something. There's a very noticable lack of information.
Of course, I'm just giving my opinion. If you disagree, good for you! I hope you are right.
Deathstrike2, please provide some clear evidence of this "very noticable" lack of information you are claiming about, besides this little insignificant thread that a few people are agreeing with the OP and complaining about the lack of information.
I hate to say it but I share the same concerns as you, despite the fact that they already said this and that and its being tested and blah blah
Just been there done that before like dark and light. Was promised the world for years. Major lack of info but promises of "Its being tested everything is running GREAT" Then look what happened.
I think its basic logic to have the same skepticism the op is showing with the track record of not only MMO's but with small development companies such as aventurine.
My point exactly! You explained it much easier. They would restore alot of confidence if they put out some more proof of their systems in and working perfectly.
When you have followed MMOs as long as some of us have you know when a game is shaping up to be a let down. This game makes me feel strongly that way. A little more involvement with us is all im asking and its well deserved after this long. The recent burst of information was good but its just not enough.
You sound like every person defending dark and light and mourning. People have doubts about and game and you scream troll. If anyone is immature it is you. He is right, I see pictures with good graphics and others without. Same with videos. That is a very bad sign.
The features of the game are beyong great. No one is denying it if you actaully read out posts. I would love to see this game come out and be awesome. I dont have the confidence (like many others) to even say the game will come out. I especially dont have the confidence in it to say it will do well.
If anyone could be wasting ur time its the devs if they release the game without the features you and I are so excited about.
So being on national TV playing the game live is hiding?
I'll tell you what... If this game releases before Q2 of 2009, I'll admit to being wrong. Compared to every other MMO production I've seen, yes they are hiding something. There's a very noticable lack of information.
Of course, I'm just giving my opinion. If you disagree, good for you! I hope you are right.
Well it might turn out a bad game, but at this stage I don't really see what else they can do with regard to information.
There are video's, there are screen shots, there are voluminous dev journals. That is quite a lot of information.
All they can really do now is let people play the game. Until beta any kind of public beta starts there not much more they can tell us with out people experiencing it first hand.
They could make multiple walkthrough video's of the features but I think thats a bit much to ask for. They don't employ a full time video production crew and people to specifically to pump out info like big publishers probably do so it's all extra expense and time that could be used on the game. Which other mmo's are you talking about? They probably have big publishers doing the advertising.
Don't try to tell the fans, they never care/listen. And I completely agree, this feels very much deja vu to the Dark And Light days. It's the same situation we were in back there.
If I shall try to be anywhere near reasonable I'd say that IF, yes IF this game comes out it will probably be about 2/3 (or 1/2) of what was promised. Not that it could not be good, but I just see NO way they could pull everything off as great as it sounds right now.
And even IF they pull everything off it still has to be FUN and bug free. And a game of theese proportions are more often than not a complete haven for bugs and other roaches. And from a small dev team like this being able to terminate them all fast would not feel so likely.
I really hope this game will do well, but at this point it's all just a myth carried on by forum-fan-cults here and there.
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Don't try to tell the fans, they never care/listen. And I completely agree, this feels very much deja vu to the Dark And Light days. It's the same situation we were in back there.
If I shall try to be anywhere near reasonable I'd say that IF, yes IF this game comes out it will probably be about 2/3 (or 1/2) of what was promised. Not that it could not be good, but I just see NO way they could pull everything off as great as it sounds right now.
And even IF they pull everything off it still has to be FUN and bug free. And a game of theese proportions are more often than not a complete haven for bugs and other roaches. And from a small dev team like this being able to terminate them all fast would not feel so likely.
I really hope this game will do well, but at this point it's all just a myth carried on by forum-fan-cults here and there.
Well to be fair how is masses of info any guarentee of good game? Aoc and WAR looked frickin amazing pre release and look how they turned out.
There seems to be no parallel between info and good game in my eyes.
No guarantee, but it helps to terminate un-wanted fanboyism and lets people get a better idea of how the game is going to be like in advance.
I did not ever follow up on AoC so I can't say how that situation was, neither have I ever played it. But I never followed it because I knew it was not going to be anything special. And today, you hear far too much about how awful it is.
Warhammer I followed closely for a long time. And it has turned out very well. Not everything got into final game, but pretty damn close! Which is amazing IMO. And they are doing one hell of a job giving the players patches and hotfixes. Even 1.1 coming in december adding two of the cut classes and balance changes.
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
No guarantee, but it helps to terminate un-wanted fanboyism and lets people get a better idea of how the game is going to be like in advance.
I did not ever follow up on AoC so I can't say how that situation was, neither have I ever played it. But I never followed it because I knew it was not going to be anything special. And today, you hear far too much about how awful it is.
Warhammer I followed closely for a long time. And it has turned out very well. Not everything got into final game, but pretty damn close! Which is amazing IMO. And they are doing one hell of a job giving the players patches and hotfixes. Even 1.1 coming in december adding two of the cut classes and balance changes.
I would say that it does the exact opposite really and promotes rampant fanboyism, which is the whole point of marketing. Nobody on this forum can says it's a certain thing that Darkfall will be a good game, all they can say is that they like the proposed features. They can see if they like when hopefully they get to trial the actual finished game for free, not a segemented peep hole type view in a beta or after paying for it.
AoC and WAR had masses of videos and actively lead people on, and now there are a of lot complaints about buggy game, missing features, unexpected TOA grinds ect. Just look on those games forums or any game forum and they heaving with complaints.
Darkfall has not really done that, anyone who's overhyped about this game has nobody to blame but themselves.
There was way too much lack of information for this game since its inception. I too want to play this game - I've just given up on the hype. I'll be totally shocked if this game releases in 2009 at all. Does anyone consider the cost involved for creating a game for the past 7 years? Assume they have only 10 people working on the game making a modest $50,000 per year. That's $3.5 million in expenses in salary alone with no income at all. It's not hard to see why some people are so skeptical of this game. But I do hope it comes out.... eventually....
As an x marketing person for many consumer products....I have to say I am stunned at how potential customers are treated by the company.Heck...you can encourage the mass of customers AT LEAST to encourage, hold ,and even build interest.They could release a few screen shots......answer forum questions.....give progress reports etc etc.What company wouldn't love throngs of customers standing outside their door pounding on it for the slightest bit of information..orly to receive NOTHING but files of a conference to a few of the media and fans in a language only a small percentage of the world understands.This lack of interest in encouraging potential consumers suggests similar behavior going forward.Have a need to speak to a customer service rep....that may be a challenge.Have a billing issue....perhaps an issue.Got a technical problem...hope you can write Greek.There is nothing more valuable than a potential customers good will...and this concept just doesn't seem to have even the slightest comprehension among the Darkfall management and staff.
Frankly I think the "game" deserves exactly the same level of attention from potential subscribers as the company has given TO those potential customers......and in my opinion thats very little.
They have done most of what you have said as shown in this thread here, it's easy to find if you look.
forums.darkfallonline.com/forumdisplay.php
What they haven't done is plaster themselves all over youtube yelling "This is the best game ever!!!1!"
Is that what people want these days? That way they get to buy top quality games like Aoc, WAR or Vanguard with the assurance of the marketing team that it really is amazing and they will never need another game and we have video's to prove it!.
The difference with those games and Darkfall were at least that people discussed things that were described into details and written about alot. Even alot of things that were constantly leaked at many places so people were CERTAIN about many things.
Whatever you see or read on forums, WAR is doing well, and will continue on doing so with Mythic by the rudders. They know their deal and they marketed Warhammer in a great way and in all honesty WAR - today - IS exactly what it was said to be.
The reason people are so hyped about Darkfall in many cases is that they don't KNOW much enough and therefore their IMAGINATION kicks in to fill the gaps they don't know about. Creating their own perfect game in their minds
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
The difference with those games and Darkfall were at least that people discussed things that were described into details and written about alot. Even alot of things that were constantly leaked at many places so people were CERTAIN about many things.
Whatever you see or read on forums, WAR is doing well, and will continue on doing so with Mythic by the rudders. They know their deal and they marketed Warhammer in a great way and in all honesty WAR - today - IS exactly what it was said to be.
The reason people are so hyped about Darkfall in many cases is that they don't KNOW much enough and therefore their IMAGINATION kicks in to fill the gaps they don't know about. Creating their own perfect game in their minds
I can't speak for anyone else but I am not expecting the perfect game. I am expecting full loot, ffapvp. no levels ect, how it is actually implemented I don't know until I play it, but if I am playing for free for a while then that doesn't really matter.
People are mostly hyped because of the oldschool style which hasn't been seen for a while, and that is something we are certain of because the devs has said it is ffa pvp with full loot and skills, that is not really something that can cock up. It might be a bad game but it will have some of features we like, which will make up for other failings as long as they aren't utterly game breaking.
I'm sorry gonna to have give WAR a bit of bashing now.
Paul Barnett insisted on youtube that there was no grind in WAR, or strongly suggested it, and now it turns out there is a 5 full set TOA grind that you have to do in order to do the endgame.
I would rather have no info at all on DF than that kind of dubious marketing.
The difference with those games and Darkfall were at least that people discussed things that were described into details and written about alot. Even alot of things that were constantly leaked at many places so people were CERTAIN about many things.
Whatever you see or read on forums, WAR is doing well, and will continue on doing so with Mythic by the rudders. They know their deal and they marketed Warhammer in a great way and in all honesty WAR - today - IS exactly what it was said to be.
The reason people are so hyped about Darkfall in many cases is that they don't KNOW much enough and therefore their IMAGINATION kicks in to fill the gaps they don't know about. Creating their own perfect game in their minds
Dude is this all you have to do is come on darkfall and try to convert us to warhammer fans???? We dont give a crap about Warhammer and how they work. Darkfall is what it is and will be what people expect. They havnt rushed anything. They supplyed us with enough info. Darkfall will not need to be a big advertisement like Warhammer did people will play it because it's good not because they advertised it.
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I would probably guess there would be some degree of leveling/grind in Darkfall at least. Wether it would be using one skill 1000 times to "level it" or something similar. Or killing mobs to get money to buy stuff (you know, the usual)
And I wish all DF fans were as bright as you are on the front where you realize you might not get the perfect game but it's all good and you will bear with it as long as you have a couple of features you really really like. In your case full-loot, ffapvp and so on.
And about your WAR issue, whoever swallowed every word Paul said is completely deluded. I saw him for what he was, a marketing monkey. Sure he knows alot and has alot of power within the company, but he really was just a marketing icon and a figure of humor! I enjoy every second with Paul and I can do that because I know that he exaggerates and not everything he say might be as interesting as it actually is.
Also I'd like to hear from any person in the world who really believed there would be no "grind" in WAR. OFC it would! It has levels, that alone is considered "grind" by most.
I don't consider TETRIS grinding for an example, you only do ONE thing over and over, yet it's so addicting and you love the feeling each time when you get a "line". That addicting feeling of MORE! And I could be grinding my *** off without knowing it as long as I have FUN while doing it and doesn't have to think about it.
And I haven't really confirmed the issue you stated, do you need to get a full set gear to be able to participate in the end-game? Could you link some source that can explain to me or could you personally fill me in? It would really stink if you had to do that indeed, but as long as the method of getting the gear is fun I wouldn't care too much.
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
No... I am not trying to convert anyone. I drew a couple of comparisons from Warhammer and used it as a reference to my arguments to make my points.
Calm down, drink something cold.
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
All im asking for is some more involvement with giving some of us something real to look at instead of the FAQ's thats been the exact same for years. Im not asking for all the marketing. They have alot of things on their website that they havent proven in a video to show us they have been working on it. Setting the laws of the land, setting up patrols of your npcs, etc etc. Theres many features in their FAQs that I doubt are in. They havent even discussed most of them for years.