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How can people still call Aion "just another Asian grinder"?

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  • joeshmoejoeshmoe Member Posts: 84

    That's pretty much why I raised the question, since you can make your character look pretty much any way you want, and that doesnt skip out on realistic looks either. Those screenshots are a testament to that. If he ment the overall look as in how everyone else makes their characters look, well, that depends on the individuals of the community, really. I know people will make characters that look like they jumped out of an anime when the NA servers go live, but I doubt EVERYONE is going to follow suit. But either way, you can't blame people for likeing what they like. Hell, look at it this way. If you can't stand anime, you can make your character as real or as but ugly as you see fit, then find people of the opposing faction that made their characters look anime-esque and then have the satisfaction of slaying them in armed combat. It's a win-win situation, lol.

     

    Edit: hehe, the more I look at that Asmodian pic, the more it reminds me of Rasputin from the first Hellboy movie, well, without the mohawk that is.

  • N1ghtsta1kerN1ghtsta1ker Member Posts: 112

    I created this topic more or less to draw attention to a game that doesn't get enough of it.  Looking back on my OP, I'll admit it was quite rediculous and virtually useless.

    I could've listed points and reasons as to why it isn't going to be a typical Korean MMO, but really, would that have changed anybody's minds?  Blind fanbois aren't going to change, so pretty much anything I could've said wouldn't have had an effect on anyone.  I created the topic to start some discussion aabout the game, obviously that has happened.

    Back on topic, why is everyone complaining about the game being a "traditional" MMO?  People cried for innovation and they got Tabula Rasa, Age of Conan, Auto Assault, among other games.  All of them have failed miserably, with Auto Assault even closing it's servers very early in its lifespan due to lack of interest.  WoW built on traditional concepts, and 11 million people play it.  Warhammer used the same traditional MMO structure and tweaked a few things, and it's popular now as well.  I think it's obvious people want improvements, not entirely new concepts.

    And the guy who has a problem with Aion's animations clearly has no idea what he's talking about.  The battle animations are much smoother and more complex than most Western MMOs.  And you say the game looks like anime?  Compare a pic of Aion to one of Naruto.  That's what I thought.

  • RayanaRayana Member UncommonPosts: 525
    Originally posted by N1ghtsta1ker 
    Back on topic, why is everyone complaining about the game being a "traditional" MMO?  People cried for innovation and they got Tabula Rasa, Age of Conan, Auto Assault, among other games.  All of them have failed miserably, with Auto Assault even closing it's servers very early in its lifespan due to lack of interest.  WoW built on traditional concepts, and 11 million people play it.  Warhammer used the same traditional MMO structure and tweaked a few things, and it's popular now as well.  I think it's obvious people want improvements, not entirely new concepts.

    There are also plenty of traditional MMOs that failed just as much (Archlord, RF Online, Vanguard... to name a few). The question is: why did innovative MMOs fail? Was it because they had new concepts, or because of something else? :) I don't think it's that obvious, as you call it, that people don't want entirely new concepts.

    Another example: Guildwars was a new concept, so much so that some people don't even regard it as an MMO. And look how popular that is. Or Eve. Barely generic either and it didn't fail. So new concepts CAN succeed.

    Btw, traditional MMOs are fine. For other people besides me. Got tired of them, basically. Really, why should I play a new MMO when it's basically just the same experience as 10 other MMOs I've played, except for a different lore and different graphics? I just don't see any point in it. It's the reason I don't see any point in picking up Aion either, since it's a traditional MMO.

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  • redrum666erredrum666er Member Posts: 168
    Originally posted by Netzoko


    Aion has nothing promising...

    Levels? Check
    PvE Based? Check
    Instancing? Check
    Grind? Check
    Anime Graphics? Check
    Made in Korea? Check
    Not at all innovative? Check

    Sounds like the other korean grinders to me.



     

    I wonder if your other 734 that you have made on this bored are as lacking in intelligence as this one.

    Do some research on the game before trolling.

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  • ardohainardohain Member Posts: 103
    Originally posted by Leoj


    ...
    Give me some facts about it that are different and I'll listen and maybe change my mind.
    ....

     

    i'm not extremely educated on all the mmo's that have been out, but is one thing that's different about aion that the look and feel of the world will change depending on the strength of the controling faction? if it isn't i'd definitely like to know which ones included this. thanks

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    Originally posted by Silverchild


    Well, the devs can say anything they want, I wont beleive it till I read the reviews of  the released game, not beta. I'm tired of empty promises.
    For example, take WAR; it was supposed to be "no grind!" open world PVP, war is everywhere...and thats what the beta tester said too. The beta was fun apparently. But right before release, Mythic increased the ammount of XP needed to lvl up. The result? In the released game, everyone is only GRINDING scenarios and the open RVR is dead.
     
    Boring game, its WoW battleground grind all over again, even if on paper the game was great (By the way, I have nothing against wow... WAR was marketed as something different. It WASNT supposed to be wow 2.0, but IT IS. Except with more bugs. And slower gameplay). The WAR beta was great too. But one stupid retarded change from the devs and this is the result. Also, did you follow AoC? Empty promises, again. (But you know what, even when playing open beta, we had no way of finding how broken the game was)
     
    I followed both games, and I had hope that the devs wouldnt lie. Both games were disapointing. Now you may say ncsoft is different... but now one knows, sadly. From my experience, its all about money and selling the most copies. And how do you do that? Either you make a great game (thats what we hope) or either you hype and hype and hype a bad game and hope players rush to buy it when its released (thats what we dont want,but this is getting more and more popular these days with new MMOs.)
     
    So... thats why AION will be a grindfest. But I would love to be wrong.
     
     



     

    The problem here is that you are only hearing what you want to hear.

    No one is saying that this is revolutionary gameplay. No one is saying that you won't have to kill "x" amount of "y" in order to get "z".

    There are no "promises" being made to be broken. Nothing. So let this go.

    The only thing they are saying is that when you think of korean based games you think of long, long grinder games like Lineage 2.

    this game will not have that type of grind. And from what all the beta testers have said it will not have that type of grind.

    But they are also saying that it will have typical mmo gameplay with some twists such as flying. Not at any time have they ever proposed that this game will be something that will break down the mmo barrier and forge new ground. They just want to make a game that is fun and will appeal to people who like the mmo gameplay.

     

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  • IhmoteppIhmotepp Member Posts: 14,495

    If you like Asian Anime, you might like Aion. Kinda like Grenada Espada or something.

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  • SilverchildSilverchild Member UncommonPosts: 118
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    The problem here is that you are only hearing what you want to hear.
    No one is saying that this is revolutionary gameplay. No one is saying that you won't have to kill "x" amount of "y" in order to get "z".
    There are no "promises" being made to be broken. Nothing. So let this go.
    The only thing they are saying is that when you think of korean based games you think of long, long grinder games like Lineage 2.
    this game will not have that type of grind. And from what all the beta testers have said it will not have that type of grind.
    But they are also saying that it will have typical mmo gameplay with some twists such as flying. Not at any time have they ever proposed that this game will be something that will break down the mmo barrier and forge new ground. They just want to make a game that is fun and will appeal to people who like the mmo gameplay.
     

    The promise here is that it wont be another asian grindfest. So far its looking good, but I'm still waiting to see if they'll increase by 2 or 3 the ammount of XP needed to lvl, riiight before release. AoC did it, WaR did it, its insanely retarded, but it seems like its a popular thing to do.

     

  • SharajatSharajat Member Posts: 926
    Originally posted by Silverchild

    Originally posted by Sovrath
    The problem here is that you are only hearing what you want to hear.
    No one is saying that this is revolutionary gameplay. No one is saying that you won't have to kill "x" amount of "y" in order to get "z".
    There are no "promises" being made to be broken. Nothing. So let this go.
    The only thing they are saying is that when you think of korean based games you think of long, long grinder games like Lineage 2.
    this game will not have that type of grind. And from what all the beta testers have said it will not have that type of grind.
    But they are also saying that it will have typical mmo gameplay with some twists such as flying. Not at any time have they ever proposed that this game will be something that will break down the mmo barrier and forge new ground. They just want to make a game that is fun and will appeal to people who like the mmo gameplay.
     

    The promise here is that it wont be another asian grindfest. So far its looking good, but I'm still waiting to see if they'll increase by 2 or 3 the ammount of XP needed to lvl, riiight before release. AoC did it, WaR did it, its insanely retarded, but it seems like its a popular thing to do.

     

    Look, if it does that I'll jump on the boat condemning them right along with you.  I can't stress this enough - I am not a fanboy.  I am NOT saying preorder it.  I urge you to go to youtube and see the HUNDREDS of gameplay videos.   www.youtube.com.   Check them out.  There's absolutely no NDA, you can watch the game in action for yourself and decide if you like what you see.  Moreover, I will happily honestly review it when I get some solid experience with it.

    But calling it 'just another Asian grinder' is like saying "Oh, Darkfall or Star Wars will be just another grinder because they could potentially change the entire game right before they release it."

    Oh and AoC and War?  Not being produced by well-respected companies, very secretive, tight budget, needed limited beta test time.  Exactly the opposite of Aion, which has been in beta since pretty much forever now, because they want to get it right (also they have a constant money supply so they don't have to release tomorrow to pay back investors).

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  • metalhead980metalhead980 Member Posts: 2,658

    Maybe its just bad marketing, personally I thought the game was a cool looking asian grinder myself.

    They need to get the word out or it will do very poorly on release.

    In NA and Euro anyway.

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  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827
    Originally posted by Blodpls


    Personally I just don't like the style of asian mmorpgs. 
    I do not like high gloss, ridiculously over the top, fairy tale, disney-esque games.
    Just look at this: uk.youtube.com/watch
    It makes me want to chunder.



     

    Same for me it looks terible just terible.

    Another asian glossy game, witch we already have few hundred on mmo market.

    And 100% copy lineage2 so what you ecspect other then asian grind mmo:P

    Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
    In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.

  • EphimeroEphimero Member Posts: 1,860
    Originally posted by Evasia
     
    Same for me it looks terible just terible.
    Another asian glossy game, witch we already have few hundred on mmo market.
    Tastes, I don't think we have a hundred of mmo on the market with similar graphics, if you're so sure about it, make a comparative, not so hard.
    And 100% copy lineage2 so what you ecspect other then asian grind mmo:P
    Mind developing how "100% copy lineage2"?
  • SgtFrogSgtFrog Member Posts: 5,001
    Originally posted by Evasia

    Originally posted by Blodpls


    Personally I just don't like the style of asian mmorpgs. 
    I do not like high gloss, ridiculously over the top, fairy tale, disney-esque games.
    Just look at this: uk.youtube.com/watch
    It makes me want to chunder.



     

    Same for me it looks terible just terible.

    Another asian glossy game, witch we already have few hundred on mmo market.

    And 100% copy lineage2 so what you ecspect other then asian grind mmo:P

     

    you cry and moan when people troll in the darkfall forums yet you troll yourself...

    your just a hypocrite

    1) comming from darkfall you are the last person on earth that can complain about a game looking ugly

    2)no this game is not a lineage 2 clone, you do not know a thing about the game.

    3)do not compare it to a trashy f2p

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  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827
    Originally posted by SgtFrog

    Originally posted by Evasia

    Originally posted by Blodpls


    Personally I just don't like the style of asian mmorpgs. 
    I do not like high gloss, ridiculously over the top, fairy tale, disney-esque games.
    Just look at this: uk.youtube.com/watch
    It makes me want to chunder.



     

    Same for me it looks terible just terible.

    Another asian glossy game, witch we already have few hundred on mmo market.

    And 100% copy lineage2 so what you ecspect other then asian grind mmo:P

     

    you cry and moan when people troll in the darkfall forums yet you troll yourself...

    your just a hypocrite

    1) comming from darkfall you are the last person on earth that can complain about a game looking ugly

    2)no this game is not a lineage 2 clone, you do not know a thing about the game.

    3)do not compare it to a trashy f2p

    show me where i cry in darkfall forum?

    And have you looked at the avatars aion and lineage2 there almost identical:P

    Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
    In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.

  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827

    Ok i agree that 100% is bit over top hehe, but aion is evolved from a game like lineage2.

    Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
    In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.

  • EphimeroEphimero Member Posts: 1,860
    Originally posted by Evasia


    but aion is evolved from a game like lineage2.

     

    How so?

  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827

    nevermind:P

    Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
    In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.

  • EphimeroEphimero Member Posts: 1,860

    Figured.

  • SgtFrogSgtFrog Member Posts: 5,001
    Originally posted by Evasia

    Originally posted by SgtFrog

    Originally posted by Evasia

    Originally posted by Blodpls


    Personally I just don't like the style of asian mmorpgs. 
    I do not like high gloss, ridiculously over the top, fairy tale, disney-esque games.
    Just look at this: uk.youtube.com/watch
    It makes me want to chunder.



     

    Same for me it looks terible just terible.

    Another asian glossy game, witch we already have few hundred on mmo market.

    And 100% copy lineage2 so what you ecspect other then asian grind mmo:P

     

    you cry and moan when people troll in the darkfall forums yet you troll yourself...

    your just a hypocrite

    1) comming from darkfall you are the last person on earth that can complain about a game looking ugly

    2)no this game is not a lineage 2 clone, you do not know a thing about the game.

    3)do not compare it to a trashy f2p

    show me where i cry in darkfall forum?

    And have you looked at the avatars aion and lineage2 there almost identical:P

     

    Its all over the darkfall forums.

    anyway how do they look the same?

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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196

    What I find stupid is these people saying that because AION will not Break The Mold that its not going to be good. Is Diabo 3 going to break the mold? Is Starcraft 2 going to break the mold? What about Call Of Duty 5 or Resistance 2, Halo 3 or Grand Theft Auto 4? All these games are games that are not Breaking The Mold but all of them are or will be kick ass games that people love.

    If you know AION is not going to Break The Mold then why are you here? Why not go to the forum of a game that nobody has ever heard of and nobody cares about and hope it turns out to be what you want. I for one am not looking for to Break The Mold. I am more than happy with what I am playing now and am glad that AION is going to be the game that it is.

  • RayanaRayana Member UncommonPosts: 525
    Originally posted by Korvenus 
    If you know AION is not going to Break The Mold then why are you here? Why not go to the forum of a game that nobody has ever heard of and nobody cares about and hope it turns out to be what you want.

     

    This is the General forum? The thread is not in the Aion forum. If you post about a specific game in General, you can expect criticism. I'm not even sure why it wasn't moved to the Aion subforum by now. Usually, mods move threads like these to the subforum where they belong.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    Originally posted by SgtFrog

    Originally posted by Evasia


    show me where i cry in darkfall forum?
    And have you looked at the avatars aion and lineage2 there almost identical:P

     

    Its all over the darkfall forums.

    anyway how do they look the same?

     



     

    Well, truth be told, they are done by the same artist(s). I think what people are picking up on is that

    a, the asian style tends to favor slightly more photrealistic models

    b, the armor style tends to favor highly florid ornamentation with two tone color combos.

    So "no" they aren't the same but one could say that they could see the influence the artists particular style.

     

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  • x_rast_xx_rast_x Member Posts: 745
    Originally posted by Korvenus


    What I find stupid is these people saying that because AION will not Break The Mold that its not going to be good. Is Diabo 3 going to break the mold? Is Starcraft 2 going to break the mold? What about Call Of Duty 5 or Resistance 2, Halo 3 or Grand Theft Auto 4? All these games are games that are not Breaking The Mold but all of them are or will be kick ass games that people love.
    If you know AION is not going to Break The Mold then why are you here? Why not go to the forum of a game that nobody has ever heard of and nobody cares about and hope it turns out to be what you want. I for one am not looking for to Break The Mold. I am more than happy with what I am playing now and am glad that AION is going to be the game that it is.



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    As for Aion, I've been WoW free for over a year now.  I'll still try Aion and sub if I like it.  I don't really give a damn what 11 million WoW subscribers do with their money, unless for some reason they all decide to give it to me - the whole "It's from Asia so it will suck" seems to be a straw man arguement to me - what sucks for you might be hella fun for me.

  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519
    Originally posted by Korvenus


    What I find stupid is these people saying that because AION will not Break The Mold that its not going to be good. Is Diabo 3 going to break the mold? Is Starcraft 2 going to break the mold? What about Call Of Duty 5 or Resistance 2, Halo 3 or Grand Theft Auto 4? All these games are games that are not Breaking The Mold but all of them are or will be kick ass games that people love.
    If you know AION is not going to Break The Mold then why are you here? Why not go to the forum of a game that nobody has ever heard of and nobody cares about and hope it turns out to be what you want. I for one am not looking for to Break The Mold. I am more than happy with what I am playing now and am glad that AION is going to be the game that it is.

    What you fail to understand is that the Dev's themselves have stated that there game is not breaking the mold as far as mmo's go. There just taking what is out there and making it better and more fun to play....Relax bro.

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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196

    I understand totally what AION is. I never said that AION was going to Break The Mold. I stated that I am not looking for anything to Break The Mold. I know AION is going to follow the same formala that present MMOs have I am happy that it is and so are the other people that are waiting for AION. We have found the game that we are looking for and we have seen and heard the praise that its getting from everybody that sees it or plays it. The game has already been stated to be good and people just need to accept it. Its like people who cant find anything to play are dissing AION because its not what they are looking for. Every MMO will not appeal to every person. A MMO player should already know this.

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