Originally posted by Fishermage Had she asked Obama if he was a Marxist, that too would have been a fair question, because he IS one one -- although of course not a consistent one. Care to defend your assertion? However, she did not ask that. She asked, isn't "spreading the wealth around" Marxism -- a much more softball version ofthe same question. She left it open to explain how spreading the wealth around is not Marxism. Instead, Biden answered by saying Obama was lying when he said that. Um, no. Care to watch the interview?
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
Originally posted by Fishermage Had she asked Obama if he was a Marxist, that too would have been a fair question, because he IS one one -- although of course not a consistent one. Care to defend your assertion? However, she did not ask that. She asked, isn't "spreading the wealth around" Marxism -- a much more softball version ofthe same question. She left it open to explain how spreading the wealth around is not Marxism. Instead, Biden answered by saying Obama was lying when he said that. Um, no. Care to watch the interview?
I've made that assertion and defended it elsewhere on these forums. Why should I have to make the case yet again here?
However, in that I am a magnanimous sort of dude, here's one link where I provide some evidence, that he is exactly what I said he is, I non-consistent Marxist:
The rest you can easily find elsewhere on this forum
He's shown Marxist leanings his whole life. He uses Marxist codewords on a regular basis. His memoirs betray a Marxist background. His "bitter clingers" comment is pure Marxism. His class warfare rhetoric is as well. Now, taken on it's own, any of these things might be simple pandering, or a flubb. The fact is, this has been consistent throughout his career. The man is a Marxist, typical of the university-bred Marxists I studied with and under way back when.
Again, he is not a consistent Marxist, and I don't think he is Marxist/Leninist. He is certainly a modern Marxist though.
I watched the interview several times -- I'm the one who posted it.
It has everything to do with amount. More amount is more chances for potential voters to only see McCain and Republicans beat up a majority of the time. Deservedly so. The facts are already out there. McCain is beat up an average of 60%+ of time while spoon fed Obama is beat up only 30%+ average of time. I explained this in my last post. McCain has made more mistakes than Obama. The news has reported both, there has just been far more mistakes made by the McCain campaign - monumental mistakes even. If they only reported ligitimate issues why is Fox more balanced at an average of 40%+ for each candidate? I call farse on it only being how campaigns were run. I've seen more attacks than that. Have you even read the previous two pages of discussion? It's because Fox News leans conservative. They will spin a McCain campaign negative into a positive. The country as a whole thinks the Palin selection was a bad choice. Only conservatives are energized by her presence. Therefore, Fox News is elated with her candidacy. See my point? You say the MSM is liberally biased, when actually, their reports represent the consensus of the nation. I've seen things like Palin's clothes attacked. Clothes that isn't even technically owned by her. I have an entire thread devoted to how I couldn't care less about her clothes. This is not a smear though, it's sensationalizing a non-issue, and it's done by all sources without partisanship. The media's job is to sell ad spots. For reasons unknown, viewers want 'dirty laundry'. I am deeply troubled by the migration of news sources toward 'infotainment'. Cries of racism against McCain which aren't true. Which network reported that McCain is a racist? I'll boycott the network. I'm not going to go on but had to counter this nonsense it's only because how the candidates have ran their campaigns. Then you are ignoring the events of the past 6 months. What are these negative reports about McCain that don't criticize either his presidential campaign or his political positions?
Originally posted by Fishermage I've made that assertion and defended it elsewhere on these forums. Why should I have to make the case yet again here? However, in that I am a magnanimous sort of dude, here's one link where I provide some evidence, that he is exactly what I said he is, I non-consistent Marxist: fishermage.blogspot.com/2008/10/more-evidence-that-obama-is-marxist.html Here's a bit more from Bill Sammon: elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/obama-affinity-marxists-dates-college-days/ The rest you can easily find elsewhere on this forum Yeah, unfortunately for you I read that nonsense. He cites... nothing. Vague insinuations. To quote the article: "In search of some inspiration, I went to hear Kwame Toure, formerly Stokely Carmichael of Black Panther fame, speak at Columbia," Obama wrote in "Dreams," which he published in 1995. "At the entrance to the auditorium, two women, one black, one Asian, were selling Marxist literature." I'm glad your evidence is so solid. He's shown Marxist leanings his whole life. He uses Marxist codewords on a regular basis. His memoirs betray a Marxist background. His "bitter clingers" comment is pure Marxism. His class warfare rhetoric is as well. Now, taken on it's own, any of these things might be simple pandering, or a flubb. The fact is, this has been consistent throughout his career. The man is a Marxist, typical of the university-bred Marxists I studied with and under way back when. This reminds me of the 9/11 truthers who were insisting that Obama flashed the NWO sign at some event. He "uses Marxist codewords." Well, hope that drums up some fear so your candidate doesn't totally humiliate himself. Just explain how a rational and reasonable plan is actually a Marxist codeword for rounding everyone up and putting them in Gulags! Again, he is not a consistent Marxist, and I don't think he is Marxist/Leninist. He is certainly a modern Marxist though. Certainly? I don't think that word means what you think it means. I watched the interview several times -- I'm the one who posted it. Awesome. Now try listening to it.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
Originally posted by Fishermage I've made that assertion and defended it elsewhere on these forums. Why should I have to make the case yet again here? However, in that I am a magnanimous sort of dude, here's one link where I provide some evidence, that he is exactly what I said he is, I non-consistent Marxist: fishermage.blogspot.com/2008/10/more-evidence-that-obama-is-marxist.html Here's a bit more from Bill Sammon: elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/obama-affinity-marxists-dates-college-days/ The rest you can easily find elsewhere on this forum Yeah, unfortunately for you I read that nonsense. He cites... nothing. Vague insinuations. To quote the article: "In search of some inspiration, I went to hear Kwame Toure, formerly Stokely Carmichael of Black Panther fame, speak at Columbia," Obama wrote in "Dreams," which he published in 1995. "At the entrance to the auditorium, two women, one black, one Asian, were selling Marxist literature." I'm glad your evidence is so solid. He's shown Marxist leanings his whole life. He uses Marxist codewords on a regular basis. His memoirs betray a Marxist background. His "bitter clingers" comment is pure Marxism. His class warfare rhetoric is as well. Now, taken on it's own, any of these things might be simple pandering, or a flubb. The fact is, this has been consistent throughout his career. The man is a Marxist, typical of the university-bred Marxists I studied with and under way back when. This reminds me of the 9/11 truthers who were insisting that Obama flashed the NWO sign at some event. He "uses Marxist codewords." Well, hope that drums up some fear so your candidate doesn't totally humiliate himself. Just explain how a rational and reasonable plan is actually a Marxist codeword for rounding everyone up and putting them in Gulags! Again, he is not a consistent Marxist, and I don't think he is Marxist/Leninist. He is certainly a modern Marxist though. Certainly? I don't think that word means what you think it means. I watched the interview several times -- I'm the one who posted it. Awesome. Now try listening to it.
Of course you veered into personal attacks, appeal to ridicule, and your usual host of logical fallacies. Nice playing with you.
I'm not afraid nor am I trying to drum up any fear -- I am just calling him what he is, and you are rather impolitely disagreeing.
I find there is sufficient evidence that the man is a Marxist; you do not -- at least I don't need to launch into fallacious nonsense, as you do.
Haha that interviewer is so funny. Using nation becoming like Sweden as something to be feared...Nordic nations have constantly been rated as the best places in the world to live in and having the happiest citizens. Yes that is definitely something to avoided.
Anyway back to coal mines for me...I just hope McCain/Palin get elected and maybe they will come liberate us!
Haha that interviewer is so funny. Using nation becoming like Sweden as something to be feared...Nordic nations have constantly been rated as the best places in the world to live in and having the happiest citizens. Yes that is definitely something to avoided. Anyway back to coal mines for me...I just hope McCain/Palin get elected and maybe they will come liberate us!
They have been rated the best places to live -- by socialists. Happy can also mean "complacent." All of those are very subjective. The real test is planet earth chooses the US as the place more people want to get into than anywhere else.
Haha that interviewer is so funny. Using nation becoming like Sweden as something to be feared...Nordic nations have constantly been rated as the best places in the world to live in and having the happiest citizens. Yes that is definitely something to avoided. Anyway back to coal mines for me...I just hope McCain/Palin get elected and maybe they will come liberate us!
They have been rated the best places to live -- by socialists. Happy can also mean "complacent." All of those are very subjective. The real test is planet earth chooses the US as the place more people want to get into than anywhere else.
Surveys say one thing. Human action says another.
Actually no the survey I was referring to is done annually by The Economist, and you can find plenty of surveys from tons of different sources all pointing to the fact that US is not the best place to live in atm. Also pretty much every European nation is actually having problems with more people trying to immigrate than they can take. But this really poor indicator because in the end it just shows that there are huge gaps in the standard of living around the world and people are trying to beat them through immigration.
Haha that interviewer is so funny. Using nation becoming like Sweden as something to be feared...Nordic nations have constantly been rated as the best places in the world to live in and having the happiest citizens. Yes that is definitely something to avoided. Anyway back to coal mines for me...I just hope McCain/Palin get elected and maybe they will come liberate us!
They have been rated the best places to live -- by socialists. Happy can also mean "complacent." All of those are very subjective. The real test is planet earth chooses the US as the place more people want to get into than anywhere else.
Surveys say one thing. Human action says another.
Actually no the survey I was referring to is done annually by The Economist, and you can find plenty of surveys from tons of different sources all pointing to the fact that US is not the best place to live in atm. Also pretty much every European nation is actually having problems with more people trying to immigrate than they can take. But this really poor indicator because in the end it just shows that there are huge gaps in the standard of living around the world and people are trying to beat them through immigration.
The economist is socialist. Not by Europen standards, of course. Spin the real evidence any way you wish; the world speaks with its feet: America is where people wan to be, not Sweden.
fyi... Independent: Ralph Nader, Connecticut, green party, peace and freedom party Matt Gonzalez, California running mate.
Libertarian (LP): Bob Barr, R-Georgia congressman Wayne Root, Nevada
Constitution (CP): pastor Charles Baldwin (D/R/anti-bush2/prolifer), Florida attorney Darrell Castle, Tennessee
Green (GP): Cynthia McKinney, D-Georgia congresswoman (human rights, dignity of spirit) Rosa Clemente, NY
Independent (AIP): Alan Keyes, R-Maryland (anti-abortion, pro Vietnam war, disowned lesbian daughter) Brian Rohrbough, Colorado (prolife)
Socialism and Liberation (PSL): Gloria La Riva, Calif, comunist Eugene Puryear, Wash DC (22yr old anti war [inelig VP, US Const 12th amendment 35yr old VP})
Socialist (SP): Brian Moore, Fla (peace corps, impeach bush-cheney) Stewart Alexander, Calif
Boston Tea (BTP): Charles Jay, Fla Thomas Knapp, Missouri
Prohibition (PRO: minister Gene Amondson, Washington (anti-tobacco) Leroy Pletten, Michigan
Reform (RP): Ted Weill, Mississippi Frank McEnulty, Calif
Socialist Workers (SWP): Roger Calero, NY (inelig Pres [born in Nicaragua], all immigrant legalization) Alyson Kennedy, New Jersey
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In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
I've made that assertion and defended it elsewhere on these forums. Why should I have to make the case yet again here?
However, in that I am a magnanimous sort of dude, here's one link where I provide some evidence, that he is exactly what I said he is, I non-consistent Marxist:
fishermage.blogspot.com/2008/10/more-evidence-that-obama-is-marxist.html
Here's a bit more from Bill Sammon:
elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/obama-affinity-marxists-dates-college-days/
The rest you can easily find elsewhere on this forum
He's shown Marxist leanings his whole life. He uses Marxist codewords on a regular basis. His memoirs betray a Marxist background. His "bitter clingers" comment is pure Marxism. His class warfare rhetoric is as well. Now, taken on it's own, any of these things might be simple pandering, or a flubb. The fact is, this has been consistent throughout his career. The man is a Marxist, typical of the university-bred Marxists I studied with and under way back when.
Again, he is not a consistent Marxist, and I don't think he is Marxist/Leninist. He is certainly a modern Marxist though.
I watched the interview several times -- I'm the one who posted it.
fishermage.blogspot.com
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
Of course you veered into personal attacks, appeal to ridicule, and your usual host of logical fallacies. Nice playing with you.
I'm not afraid nor am I trying to drum up any fear -- I am just calling him what he is, and you are rather impolitely disagreeing.
I find there is sufficient evidence that the man is a Marxist; you do not -- at least I don't need to launch into fallacious nonsense, as you do.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Haha that interviewer is so funny. Using nation becoming like Sweden as something to be feared...Nordic nations have constantly been rated as the best places in the world to live in and having the happiest citizens. Yes that is definitely something to avoided.
Anyway back to coal mines for me...I just hope McCain/Palin get elected and maybe they will come liberate us!
They have been rated the best places to live -- by socialists. Happy can also mean "complacent." All of those are very subjective. The real test is planet earth chooses the US as the place more people want to get into than anywhere else.
Surveys say one thing. Human action says another.
fishermage.blogspot.com
They have been rated the best places to live -- by socialists. Happy can also mean "complacent." All of those are very subjective. The real test is planet earth chooses the US as the place more people want to get into than anywhere else.
Surveys say one thing. Human action says another.
Actually no the survey I was referring to is done annually by The Economist, and you can find plenty of surveys from tons of different sources all pointing to the fact that US is not the best place to live in atm. Also pretty much every European nation is actually having problems with more people trying to immigrate than they can take. But this really poor indicator because in the end it just shows that there are huge gaps in the standard of living around the world and people are trying to beat them through immigration.
They have been rated the best places to live -- by socialists. Happy can also mean "complacent." All of those are very subjective. The real test is planet earth chooses the US as the place more people want to get into than anywhere else.
Surveys say one thing. Human action says another.
Actually no the survey I was referring to is done annually by The Economist, and you can find plenty of surveys from tons of different sources all pointing to the fact that US is not the best place to live in atm. Also pretty much every European nation is actually having problems with more people trying to immigrate than they can take. But this really poor indicator because in the end it just shows that there are huge gaps in the standard of living around the world and people are trying to beat them through immigration.
The economist is socialist. Not by Europen standards, of course. Spin the real evidence any way you wish; the world speaks with its feet: America is where people wan to be, not Sweden.
fishermage.blogspot.com
fyi...
Independent:
Ralph Nader, Connecticut, green party, peace and freedom party
Matt Gonzalez, California running mate.
Libertarian (LP):
Bob Barr, R-Georgia congressman
Wayne Root, Nevada
Constitution (CP):
pastor Charles Baldwin (D/R/anti-bush2/prolifer), Florida
attorney Darrell Castle, Tennessee
Green (GP):
Cynthia McKinney, D-Georgia congresswoman (human rights, dignity of spirit)
Rosa Clemente, NY
Independent (AIP):
Alan Keyes, R-Maryland (anti-abortion, pro Vietnam war, disowned lesbian daughter)
Brian Rohrbough, Colorado (prolife)
Socialism and Liberation (PSL):
Gloria La Riva, Calif, comunist
Eugene Puryear, Wash DC (22yr old anti war [inelig VP, US Const 12th amendment 35yr old VP})
Socialist (SP):
Brian Moore, Fla (peace corps, impeach bush-cheney)
Stewart Alexander, Calif
Boston Tea (BTP):
Charles Jay, Fla
Thomas Knapp, Missouri
Prohibition (PRO:
minister Gene Amondson, Washington (anti-tobacco)
Leroy Pletten, Michigan
Reform (RP):
Ted Weill, Mississippi
Frank McEnulty, Calif
Socialist Workers (SWP):
Roger Calero, NY (inelig Pres [born in Nicaragua], all immigrant legalization)
Alyson Kennedy, New Jersey
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