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Was 9-11 an inside job?
konrad16660
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This thread is not to cause people to get mad or crazy either way. It is simply to have a poll and a cal conversation about 9-11 and if it was an inside job or not. This is not a new topic in the world. With 86% of Russians now believing that the US government had something to do with the falling of its own towers now, and the rest of the world now choosing to not believe the US's official story what is your take?
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I voted yes. the planes took off from american soil and crashed into american towers. Clearly it was a Inside job.
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Has it been a week already?
Damn, time flies during election season.
9/11 Truthers =
Simple as that. Really nothing else to say. They're insane, misguided, deeply stupid, or usually a combination of all 3.
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9-11 was not an inside job.
However, it was facilitated by a deliberate lack of action on the inside.
I think they knew something was coming, but didn't know the details.
Which is why the deserting coward went into the deer in the headlights mode that morning.
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This post is win ;p
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This was not the sort of discussion that I explained in the threads opening that I wanted. Most 9-11 truthers believe that people that don't believe it was an inside job are as you so nicely emoted
There is just to much evidence that it was an inside job, and almost no evidence that it was done by the supposed terrorists. In addition the government hasn't made any effort to give us the evidence to prove that it was done by the terrorists. There are more people that believe that 9-11 was an inside job than you think. Why do you think it is that people don't really celebrate the anniversary of 9-11 like they first did? When I ask people they say it is because they don't feel that they are getting the real story and they don't want to celebrate something that is "bullcrap". This coming from people that are not very political as well.
This was not the sort of discussion that I explained in the threads opening that I wanted. Most 9-11 truthers believe that people that don't believe it was an inside job are as you so nicely emoted
There is just to much evidence that it was an inside job, and almost no evidence that it was done by the supposed terrorists. In addition the government hasn't made any effort to give us the evidence to prove that it was done by the terrorists.
What evidence? It's all nonsense. Thermite/Thermate? No Planes? Cruise Missiles? Planted Charges? It's all insanity. Your evidence is bad physics and lies. I can tear it apart all day long, and if you think I'm alone, I invite you to google "JREF" and come bug us over there. We enjoy it!
There are more people that believe that 9-11 was an inside job than you think. Why do you think it is that people don't really celebrate the anniversary of 9-11 like they first did? When I ask people they say it is because they don't feel that they are getting the real story and they don't want to celebrate something that is "bullcrap". This coming from people that are not very political as well.
Does it matter how many people believe nonsense? Yours is hilariously bad. Please, tell me your version of the events of 9/11.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
This was not the sort of discussion that I explained in the threads opening that I wanted. Most 9-11 truthers believe that people that don't believe it was an inside job are as you so nicely emoted
There is just to much evidence that it was an inside job, and almost no evidence that it was done by the supposed terrorists. In addition the government hasn't made any effort to give us the evidence to prove that it was done by the terrorists.
What evidence? It's all nonsense. Thermite/Thermate? No Planes? Cruise Missiles? Planted Charges? It's all insanity. Your evidence is bad physics and lies. I can tear it apart all day long, and if you think I'm alone, I invite you to google "JREF" and come bug us over there. We enjoy it!
There are more people that believe that 9-11 was an inside job than you think. Why do you think it is that people don't really celebrate the anniversary of 9-11 like they first did? When I ask people they say it is because they don't feel that they are getting the real story and they don't want to celebrate something that is "bullcrap". This coming from people that are not very political as well.
Does it matter how many people believe nonsense? Yours is hilariously bad. Please, tell me your version of the events of 9/11.
Weee lets go to the Amazing Randi's site! You call me a nut job, you just reffered me to a site run by an ex-magician. All he does now is go "hrumph hrumph" all day long now and try to debunk everything. My challenge to you is to try to prove that 9-11 was't an inside job. I mean c'mon now, I can't get a commercial plane within 5 miles of a marine base without getting radio contact or being trailed by jets. Yea and you can just pound planes into the pentagon and the twin towers? Oh yea, and the fact they didn't release any videos to back up the pentagon hit. Then years later they release like 3 frames of a cessna flying into the pentagon?!?! what?!?!?! Cheny takes over for NORAD? Why would he even do that? Way to much doesn't add up including lack of debris, the "vaporisation" of the plane into the pentagon. When it was first claimed to be a 747. Then there is building 7. I didn't even know about building 7 until I went to New York again and I was looking down from the metal walkway and was like, "hey, what is that whole over there?" I had to literally ask people walking by what the whole was from and then they told me there was another building. I asked how it fell and a lot of them said they didn't know. Then some of them told me that the other buildings fell on it.
Ready Set......go try to prove 9-11 wasn't an inside job.
You are wasting your time here konrad. This discussion has gone on time and time again here and there are simply some people who outright refuse to even question how all the things that took place that day actually happened.
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This was not the sort of discussion that I explained in the threads opening that I wanted. Most 9-11 truthers believe that people that don't believe it was an inside job are as you so nicely emoted
There is just to much evidence that it was an inside job, and almost no evidence that it was done by the supposed terrorists. In addition the government hasn't made any effort to give us the evidence to prove that it was done by the terrorists.
What evidence? It's all nonsense. Thermite/Thermate? No Planes? Cruise Missiles? Planted Charges? It's all insanity. Your evidence is bad physics and lies. I can tear it apart all day long, and if you think I'm alone, I invite you to google "JREF" and come bug us over there. We enjoy it!
There are more people that believe that 9-11 was an inside job than you think. Why do you think it is that people don't really celebrate the anniversary of 9-11 like they first did? When I ask people they say it is because they don't feel that they are getting the real story and they don't want to celebrate something that is "bullcrap". This coming from people that are not very political as well.
Does it matter how many people believe nonsense? Yours is hilariously bad. Please, tell me your version of the events of 9/11.
Weee lets go to the Amazing Randi's site! You call me a nut job, you just reffered me to a site run by an ex-magician. All he does now is go "hrumph hrumph" all day long now and try to debunk everything.
Ah, you've heard of us already I see.
The actual truth that hard on you?
My challenge to you is to try to prove that 9-11 was't an inside job.
And mine to you is to prove that unicorns don't exist. Which one of your insane claims do you want me to answer?
I mean c'mon now, I can't get a commercial plane within 5 miles of a marine base without getting radio contact or being trailed by jets. Yea and you can just pound planes into the pentagon and the twin towers?
Yes, because these commercial jet liners were clearly not supposed to be in the air and there's clearly no Air traffic near NYC and Washington DC so radar operators could quickly identify them. Well, false analogy is dead. Identifying planes when no planes are supposed to go near military bases = easy. Identifying one plane out of the dozens in the air around two of the biggest cities in the United States = not so easy.
Oh yea, and the fact they didn't release any videos to back up the pentagon hit. Then years later they release like 3 frames of a cessna flying into the pentagon?!?! what?!?!?!
Lets see. I wonder why security cameras are not angled to catch airborne objects? Lets try to figure this one out together.
Cheny takes over for NORAD? Why would he even do that? Way to much doesn't add up including lack of debris, the "vaporisation" of the plane into the pentagon.
www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
Well that claim is gone.
When it was first claimed to be a 747. Then there is building 7. Ididn't even know about building 7 until I went to New York again and I was looking down from the metal walkway and was like, "hey, what is that whole over there?" I had to literally ask people walking by what the whole was from and then they told me there was another building. I asked how it fell and a lot of them said they didn't know. Then some of them told me that the other buildings fell on it.
Yes, lets not mention it was on fire for hours. That'll be funny!
Ready Set......go try to prove 9-11 wasn't an inside job.
Well that was easy enough. Any more?
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
Oh, well with the Russians believing it's all a conspiracy, it must be true!
Oh, well with the Russians believing it's all a conspiracy, it must be true!
With a media as free as Russia has always had how can we doubt them on this?
I don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
I do believe that the plane of Pennsylvania was shot down. I think it may have happened AFTER the passengers retook control of it, unknown at the time to whoever gave the order. Gives one a good reason to lie about this.
I also believe that secondary explosives were involved in the collapse of WTC7. I don't speculate as to why or who. I just cannot believe that building fell like that because of a little fire and superficial damage to the exterior.
*shrugs*
Doesn't really matter either way.
It's really amazing how much purely bad information they've managed to put out there, isn't it? Superficial? Judge for yourself.
www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html
www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html
P.S. That destroyed building you see in the foreground in front of WTC 7? That's the 'intact' building that was closer to WTC 1 than WTC 7 was, and which was 'not damaged' in the fall. Judge for yourself.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
Sorry- but after seeing that building in Spain burn for a day, down to nothing but a steel frame- and still stand. I will never buy WTC7 official stories.
Did that building take structial damage as a result from a nearby building coming down right next to it? Were they built using the exact same heat protection materials?
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Sorry, recheck the building. The steel frame collapsed.
There it is, lying all over the building.
Now the concrete? The concrete is okay. Unlike steel, concrete is a lousy conductor of heat, has a high capacitance, and does not become brittle at high temperatures. It's much more fire resistant.
But once again, another falsehood has been put out. The 'steel frame' just isn't. That's the columns, right there. They're concrete.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
AMEN!
Yep. Parts of the tower in Spain fell off. The thing is still standing though. There was no pancake collapse which indicates a complete failure of the core. WTC7's core should not have failed because no airplane slammed into it. There was superficial exterior damage and *some* of the floors were on fire.
It just doesn't make sense.
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I do not think 9-11 was an inside job - at all. I do, however, have some questions that have never been answered. Just seems like, gosh, a guy from a cave can coordinate and plan an attack in which buildings collapse in the middle of Manhattan? Where is the intel? They can look through ordinary people's laptops and cell phone records and so forth but people from a cave can launch this scale of an attack? It just seems almost unbelievable. With YOUR greater resources you could not bring down a SMALL building in Pakistan, let alone the middle of Manhattan. Just seems crazy to ME, and it is crazy.
The irony is that I have become somewhat ... questioning since the banker bail-out.
The banker bail-out, in spite of years of college education studying political science, participating in politics, attending meetings, etc. showed me how definitely certain special interests (bankers, finance, insurers) control both parties.
Here...
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
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Steel beams become brittle when exposed to heat for a prolonged duration. Moreover the two buildings were of an entirely different design - WTC 7, to incorporate the subway system and underground features, had a lower safety margin than most buildings, especially in the middle (note where the failure beings).
The prolonged fire are exactly the sort of situations that destroy the structural integrity of buildings. Note what happened to the Windsor Tower - it was demolished as unsafe.
www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
Firehouse: Other people tell me that there were a lot of firefighters in the street who were visible, and they put out traffic cones to mark them off?
Hayden: Yeah. There was enough there and we were marking off. There were a lot of damaged apparatus there that were covered. We tried to get searches in those areas. By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o?clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o?clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
No other Steel framed building has ever collapsed due to fire in history.
There still isn't any proof of a plane hitting the pentagon.
Why did they take all the cameras just like they did with the London bombings. Why is it that so much of the 9/11 commission report was removed. Why was it that Bush and Cheny did not go under oath and did not allow reporters when they were interviwed for the report. Why was it that the 9/11 investigative commitee was lead by the same guy that wrote the pre-emptive strategy to attack Iraq? Why was it that the witnessess for 9/11 were not allowed to testify?
9/11= still an inside job.
This was not the sort of discussion that I explained in the threads opening that I wanted. Most 9-11 truthers believe that people that don't believe it was an inside job are as you so nicely emoted
There is just to much evidence that it was an inside job, and almost no evidence that it was done by the supposed terrorists. In addition the government hasn't made any effort to give us the evidence to prove that it was done by the terrorists.
What evidence? It's all nonsense. Thermite/Thermate? No Planes? Cruise Missiles? Planted Charges? It's all insanity. Your evidence is bad physics and lies. I can tear it apart all day long, and if you think I'm alone, I invite you to google "JREF" and come bug us over there. We enjoy it!
There are more people that believe that 9-11 was an inside job than you think. Why do you think it is that people don't really celebrate the anniversary of 9-11 like they first did? When I ask people they say it is because they don't feel that they are getting the real story and they don't want to celebrate something that is "bullcrap". This coming from people that are not very political as well.
Does it matter how many people believe nonsense? Yours is hilariously bad. Please, tell me your version of the events of 9/11.
Weee lets go to the Amazing Randi's site! You call me a nut job, you just reffered me to a site run by an ex-magician. All he does now is go "hrumph hrumph" all day long now and try to debunk everything. My challenge to you is to try to prove that 9-11 was't an inside job. I mean c'mon now, I can't get a commercial plane within 5 miles of a marine base without getting radio contact or being trailed by jets. Yea and you can just pound planes into the pentagon and the twin towers? Oh yea, and the fact they didn't release any videos to back up the pentagon hit. Then years later they release like 3 frames of a cessna flying into the pentagon?!?! what?!?!?! Cheny takes over for NORAD? Why would he even do that? Way to much doesn't add up including lack of debris, the "vaporisation" of the plane into the pentagon. When it was first claimed to be a 747. Then there is building 7. I didn't even know about building 7 until I went to New York again and I was looking down from the metal walkway and was like, "hey, what is that whole over there?" I had to literally ask people walking by what the whole was from and then they told me there was another building. I asked how it fell and a lot of them said they didn't know. Then some of them told me that the other buildings fell on it.
Ready Set......go try to prove 9-11 wasn't an inside job.
Wow, dude you need to loosen your tin-foil hat a little I think it may be compressing your brain. No 9-11 was a horrible attack by terrorists that even took credit for doing it. Anyone that thinks otherwise is just nuts.
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