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Dragging religion into this will go nowhere. The bible quite clearly got an anti-gay message. You have to be a bleeding idiot not to be able to see and read that.
I think gays and lesbians should be able to marry whoever/whenever it's just the adoption issue I got a few problems with. I really don't give a damn in their rights to adopt as it's not about them at all. It's about the children. How would a child fostered by gays/lesbians grow up and what will it experience during that time? I think the experience will be more negative than positive, conserning bullying at school, gender issues and so on.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
Research shows that gay parents are just as capable parents as straigth parents
I quote:
"The American Academy of Pediatrics has confirmed that "[a] growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual." American Academy of Pediatrics, Technical Report: Coparent or Second-Parent Adoption by Same-Sex Parents, 109 Pediatrics 341 (Feb. 2002). "Not a single study has found children of gay or lesbian parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents."
I'm sorry, but bullying at school? What kind of argument is that? I worked as a volunteer at an elementry school (or primary scool, depending on where you live) and kids will find any excuse to bully and tease each other. Heck, we can take this a step beyond just gay adoption if we start taking bullying into consideration? "Sorry miss, but we found out your husband happens to be a janitor and we don't want to risk that the child might possibly be teased at school"
Pretty sure thats still never been proven.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
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Pretty sure thats still never been proven.
It is still the opinion of the vast majority of the scientific community.
I'm pretty sure they have done a little bit more research on this subject than you have.
*sigh* you know out of 1.2 billion Christans in the world I don't think as many as you think take that stance. I have never been to a church that is so worried about who is homosexual or not and that is in Texas. This is like when people say all Muslims are crazy running around with bombs on....but on wait........its bad to call them all that, but we can lump all Christans together.
Im all for letting them have civil unions and having equal rights of heterosexual couples. But Im am not for having the gov't force religions to perform a religious marriage when it is clearly aganist that religions laws. That would be over stepping what the govt can do and so shouldn't happen anyways.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
Yes love the sinner hate the sin. Im all for letting them have civil unions and having equal rights of heterosexual couples. But Im am not for having the gov't force religions to perform a religious marriage when it is clearly aganist that religions laws. That would be over stepping what the govt can do and so shouldn't happen anyways.
A homsexual couple should be able to have a religious wedding if the particular church is in agreement with this.
I hear that! If you don't agree with gay marriage you are a bigot. doesn't matter that you disagree with polygamy and such also. I do know Muslims in Spain and Europe have no conflicts about gay marriage, and they are the growing demographic there. You will miss your Christians there.
Pretty sure thats still never been proven.
It is still the opinion of the vast majority of the scientific community.
I'm pretty sure they have done a little bit more research on this subject than you have.
Research doesn't make it true.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
Yes love the sinner hate the sin. Im all for letting them have civil unions and having equal rights of heterosexual couples. But Im am not for having the gov't force religions to perform a religious marriage when it is clearly aganist that religions laws. That would be over stepping what the govt can do and so shouldn't happen anyways.
A homsexual couple should be able to have a religious wedding if the particular church is in agreement with this.
Well yeah....but a church saying ok is different then the gov't saying you have no choice.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
Pretty sure thats still never been proven.
It is still the opinion of the vast majority of the scientific community.
I'm pretty sure they have done a little bit more research on this subject than you have.
Research doesn't make it true.
When the vast majority of the scientific community thinks this is the way it happened, it's safe to say that is how it happened. It's clearly a much more reliable source than religious faith, that's for sure.
Pretty sure thats still never been proven.
It is still the opinion of the vast majority of the scientific community.
I'm pretty sure they have done a little bit more research on this subject than you have.
Research doesn't make it true.
When the vast majority of the scientific community thinks this is the way it happened, it's safe to say that is how it happened. It's clearly a much more reliable source than religious faith, that's for sure.
World use to think the world was flat, that the Earth was the center of the universe, and other misconeptions that were later proved false with science. Untill they can prove there is a gene then it doesn't matter that they "think" there is one. And how is it a religious faith? Doesn't say in the bible that there is no gay gene.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
*sigh* you know out of 1.2 billion Christans in the world I don't think as many as you think take that stance. I have never been to a church that is so worried about who is homosexual or not and that is in Texas. This is like when people say all Muslims are crazy running around with bombs on....but on wait........its bad to call them all that, but we can lump all Christans together.
Im all for letting them have civil unions and having equal rights of heterosexual couples. But Im am not for having the gov't force religions to perform a religious marriage when it is clearly aganist that religions laws. That would be over stepping what the govt can do and so shouldn't happen anyways.
Not to be rude, but I didn't lump all Christians together, or even close to that. I was addressing those in the thread, who were using religious beliefs to justify discrimination.
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It also has an even louder, clearer message about tolerance, acceptance, and forgiveness. My question is why some choose to ignore that?
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*sigh* you know out of 1.2 billion Christans in the world I don't think as many as you think take that stance. I have never been to a church that is so worried about who is homosexual or not and that is in Texas. This is like when people say all Muslims are crazy running around with bombs on....but on wait........its bad to call them all that, but we can lump all Christans together.
Im all for letting them have civil unions and having equal rights of heterosexual couples. But Im am not for having the gov't force religions to perform a religious marriage when it is clearly aganist that religions laws. That would be over stepping what the govt can do and so shouldn't happen anyways.
Not to be rude, but I didn't lump all Christians together, or even close to that. I was addressing those in the thread, who were using religious beliefs to justify discrimination.
That wasn't aimed at you, it just seems like people wnna dump all Christans together when they talk about a issue that has a religioius connection.
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I know I put 2nd person in there but I just type that way sometimes.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
No harm, no foul.
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It also has an even louder, clearer message about tolerance, acceptance, and forgiveness. My question is why some choose to ignore that?
Cause just like in every religion their are the radicals that chose to ignore those kind of things.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
It also has an even louder, clearer message about tolerance, acceptance, and forgiveness. My question is why some choose to ignore that?
Cause just like in every religion their are the radicals that chose to ignore those kind of things.
Well...1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Yeah, I grew in religion and that one I still remember since it was preached so often. I personally look at it as the ignorant speech written down by primitive men I wouldn't trust to sit the right way on a toilet seat. But the bible say clearly what it means about homosexuality alot of places. The bible also speak of tolerance, acceptance and forgiveness, but there are sins in the bible which there is no forgiveness, homosexuality being one of them.
That is why I think that dragging religion into this is a damn waste cause those people can't see past their own ignorance which been spoonfeed them since they joined up with whatever cult they decided to follow like some mindless zombie.
This must be looked at with a clear mind, totally without bias or preconceived notions, and if there is one thing religious thinkers lack, it's those things.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
Good example, you found a verse in the bible, you found a specific translation of that verse that supports your prejudice, and you've used it as clear evidence of your position, while simultaneously ignoring the overall message that your messiah seemingly preached. I think I've had enough of this thread.
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Homosexuals are a part of society. Why don't you quit trying to use your lifestyle "choice" to try to push them out of it?
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Good example, you found a verse in the bible, you found a specific translation of that verse that supports your prejudice, and you've used it as clear evidence of your position, while simultaneously ignoring the overall message that your messiah seemingly preached. I think I've had enough of this thread.
"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
Steven Weinberg
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What do we want gays to do???.....repent
Are you serious?
I think I just threw up a little picturing you with your smug self-righteousness actually typing that. Something tells me that even if they were to repent to your god it still would not be enough for you to get over yourself.
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I hope you were joking, because if you are a fellow, straight, christian male, like myself, once again I will state as I did in my previous post, I am ashamed to be Christian in your company.
In respect to the OP, I voted in favor of Gay Marraige. Equal rights is equal love, and as a Christian I must follow the ways of "unconditional" love. As a human being, I feel this to be the ultimate truth that is a unifying common denominator of all us humans.
And I say all this, despite and inspite of what is taken out of context from the bible by my fellow Christian to further their obvious justification for hate and inequality.
Not all Christians are closed-mined biggots, who are too blind to look in a mirror without any concious self-analysis of their own hypocracy.
It's undeniable that kids gain no harm from being adopted by homosexual parents, nearly every study around the globe supports this. I don't even understand why you're trying to argue, You have no chance of winning. You don't form your opinion based on results of scientific research results or common sense, your opinion is formed out of prejudice and bias.
You also keep claiming that gay marriage isn't beneficial to society. Actually it is for reasons I already explained. Having a relationship is healthy for a person. having a person enjoying life improves their mood, which in return improves their social relationships and productivity. Allowing gay marriage also helps improve tolerance.
is it about the kids? If that is the case you HAVE to agree with the following suggestions to not be a hypocrite:
- Straigth couples who are unable to get kids are not allowed to be married
- straigth couples must have kids during a specific time period after their marriage.
Saying it's a defective gene so it can be fixed is ignorant. You can't just flip a switch and change genes.
Homosexuals are a part of society. Why don't you quit trying to use your lifestyle "choice" to try to push them out of it?
Did I say they where not?..and where did I say they should be pushed out of society?
I said basically there is no legitimate reason to codify the lifestyle as beneficial to society..and frankly that concept either went right over your head or you never got past reading the one sentence you quoted.
Live your life as you wish..without harming others..but don't expect society to legitimize how you live your life as "normal" by changing its basic tenets to placate it.
A relation between a man and a woman has obvious benefits to society as a whole. Which is why every society on the planet recognizes it and codifies it with contract/or laws. Barring the personal gratification of those involved homosexuality does not offer such...which is why barring very small acceptances of such unions the majority of the planet rejects it to one degree or another.
You may not agree with me but clearly more people on this planet and in this nation agree with me then with you.
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Those who play the Bigots routine or Rights routines are imo simply incapable of dealing with reality. They prove this by applying Rights that do not exist or catchy terms to defame opponents that have no basis in fact. IOW they discredit themselves from the start. The are not thinking...they are just reciting.
Nothing went over my head, including your implications.
News flash to you, there is no "normal" lifestyle. There are as many varied lifestyles as there are people. What there is in this country that is promised to everyone equitably is freedom and equality under the law. And one other news flash to you, we don't live in a country that places an importance on majority rules (or as I like to call it mob rules). We live in a country that has a Constitution and Bill of Rights that promises the protection of the individual from the majority. And last I heard, everyone taking the oath to a government office promises to protect and uphold that Constitution.
There are plenty of democracies that have sprung up in this world and none of them have survived. They always end up in a mob rules scenario that causes the people to erode their society from within. Ours was a unique government where the founders did not want to head down this tried and untrue path.
Either there is freedom and equality for us all, or there is no freedom and equality at all. Once you start letting your personal differences get in the way of protecting your fellow American's rights you've given up on the founding documents and have shown a desire to follow a historically destructive path.
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