thats all? with 12 million players they only sold 2.8 million? seriously I think that 12 million sub statement by blizzard is bullshit. Think about it who the hell plays wow without all the Xpacs? Anyway grats to blizzard on the Xpac, but i still think the sub number is fabricated to make them look good.
2.8 million during the first 24 hours, they don't say how much they sold so far.
This is verry good.
We will see, If WotLK doesnt equal the WoW playerbase in sales i call the sub number every fanboi waves in front of a non-WoW players face bullshit.
Thats because it is BS and it is fabricated..Remember they posted a story about a guy who has 36 accounts all Shamans? Yeah they count each of those as a different subscription even though its 1 person playing all 36..and who knows how many more people have multiple accounts...The majority of their alleged subs come from EU...
Most of those people, not all, but most of them are gold and power leveling accounts..Blizz counts them as actual subs... WOW sub numbers if you leave out multiple accounts, gold/powerleveling accounts is somewhere around 6 maybe 7 million...
Yes I agree with you the number is fabricated..just look at all the nerfing they did of the game..Lowered the xp needed to level..lowered the HP elite bosses have...made it easier to kill Elite bosses..Recruit a fruit program..all of these things point to serious issues that the game has..No one in their right mind would take a so called successful game and change it that drastically if they weren't worried about something..
LOL 2.8 million and they have *cough**cough* 12 million subs...thats nothing to cheer about. I have seen lots of copies (around 50) sitting stacked on tables in Best Buy, End shelves in Wal Mart... and in Gamestop..The game sold less than TBC and that if people felt TBC was garbage...give it some time with wotlk when people level cap to 80 and have nothing to do for the next 3 years, but run 4 year old BG's and arena's day in an day out..
people like this crack me up. You do realize the 2.8M copies it sold is only for NA and EU. So 2.8M out of about 6M. That means 50% of players bought the expansion..... wait for it..... ON THE FIRST DAY!!!. Yes, if in 3 months, only 50% of players have bought the expansion.. that might not be so good. But we are talking about 'fanatic' people here. We are talking about people who went out and bought the expansion as soon as it was available.
Another thing to remember.. In the 3 months before the expansion.. WOW vanilla was still on the best selling list. Which means there are probably a substantial number of players who aren't even ready for Wrath yet.
So tell me about your game? is it Warhammer with it's merging servers and box sales ranked at number 468 on sales charts? Or is it AOC? (lol). If WOW's sales are so abysmal, what game is doing good?
Imagine if an expansion for <insert-so-much-superior-than-WoW-MMO-here> expansion hit 2.8 million in 24 hours. We'd never heard the end of it. And of course, none of the arguments that apply here would be valid.
Blizzard has announced that second of World of Warcraft expansion Wrath of the Lich King racked up 2.8 million sales worldwide in its first 24 hours on release. This makes it the fastest-selling PC game ever released. It also keeps the title in the family; the previous record-holder was first WOW expansion The Burning Crusade, which managed 2.4 million in one day in January last year. Most of those 2.8 million sales will have come from North America and Europe, although Lich King benefited from the addition of Chile, Argentina and Russia to Blizzard's domain. Australasia and south-east Asia got the expansion a day or two later, and China's still waiting. World of Warcraft has 11 million players worldwide now, versus the 8 million it had when Burning Crusade launched - so in terms of sell-through to subscribers, Lich King performed fractionally less well than its predecessor. The 3.5 million copies Burning Crusade sold in its first month will be the next of its own records Blizzard is looking to beat. One analyst has predicted that Lich King could net 5 million in the same period, according to Gamasutra.
who cares how many copies a game sells, that doesn't make it a good game, just a well marketed one.
LMAO @ the never relenting WoW-haters. Imagine if an expansion for <insert-so-much-superior-than-WoW-MMO-here> expansion hit 2.8 million in 24 hours. We'd never heard the end of it. And of course, none of the arguments that apply here would be valid. Gotta love WoW-hater hypocrisy.
gotta love the wow fanboi when all he can say about wow is how many people play it. I think most of you just play it because its popular.
speaking of wow graphics, how do their graphics rate compared to other mmorpg's out there with what being the best and worst with wow at what rank? I was thinking the beta and alpha aion or global agenda might take the cake as far as mmorpgs go... did WotLK add or change anything visually or in system requirements?
Originally posted by bodypass Listen I ve played AOCxxxx graphics and Warhammer clunk. Both had ... graphics. But graphics in videogames are NOT still pictures. They have to be animated, alive, controlled, fluid, non stuttering, artistic. Actually, AoCs animations floats mighty fine, WARs is another matter sadly. Everyone sees the difference when playing WotLK. That world is alive. The breath of characters show little white circles, birds in the sky, rabbits on the grass,... Every inch in Northrend shows you are playing in a living world. Why revamp an engine if that engine is simply better than what we had to endure these last months? Because the hardware is changing fast. What was the GFX card that was the hot stuff in april 2004? compare it with what is out today. And multi core processors, a computer handles a lot more. Besides, it is not WAR or AoC that will show us what an GFX engine can make, it is Guildwars 2. Guess who is programming it? Jeff Strain, the guy who made wows engine. Seen the graphics on KOTOR already? Why do you think they use these same kind of graphics in MMO's? Because Old republic online is still in early alpha? I am not talking about the art style but about effects and high resolution. Pixels don't make a good videogame. Ever counted the pixels in the Pokemon games ? 50 million copies sold. Meaning: graphics don't sell subscriptions or games. Gameplay does. Diablo is a great game, but it is old so almost no one plays it. Games will get too old, you have to accept that one day will wow look as old as Diablo do today. You really think they still can be the biggest MMO then? Blizzard knows this themselves, that is why they are making a new MMO (Wow maybe 2?).
I have seen lots of copies (around 50) sitting stacked on tables in Best Buy, End shelves in Wal Mart... and in Gamestop..
I guess Gamestop is in on with Blizzard then because...
"After a single day of availability, Wrath of the Lich King is already the bestselling PC game of 2008 at GameStop and ranks as one of our top-selling products so far this year," said Bob McKenzie, GameStop’s senior vice president of merchandising. "In keeping with the tradition established by their previous releases, Blizzard Entertainment has again created a product that not only reflects their high standards of quality but is clearly an instant hit with gamers around the country."
The best selling PC game of 2008....in 1 day. Yeah, sounds like a flop to me.
LoL nobody plays diablo????? Lol Diablo and D2 probably has more current players than war., aoc, lotro, and vanguard combined. Infact all of blizzard games probably have more players currently playing them than all the games listed on this site put together X10.
i duno about diablo 2 cuz i lost my cd's thus my cd key so i haven't bothered but i checked the origional diablo not but a week ago shortly after checking on the status of daiblo 3. I can say for sure that the player base of the origional diablo game on b.net is down to around 3-5 players, of course maybe with the addition of the gold sellers on diablo 2 plus the player base you may still be right.
LoL nobody plays diablo????? Lol Diablo and D2 probably has more current players than war., aoc, lotro, and vanguard combined. Infact all of blizzard games probably have more players currently playing them than all the games listed on this site put together X10.
i duno about diablo 2 cuz i lost my cd's thus my cd key so i haven't bothered but i checked the origional diablo not but a week ago shortly after checking on the status of daiblo 3. I can say for sure that the player base of the origional diablo game on b.net is down to around 3-5 players, of course maybe with the addition of the gold sellers on diablo 2 plus the player base you may still be right.
Ever notice when someone wants to discount subscriber numbers, they always say " everyone is a gold-seller or a multi-boxer". I read a post somewhere and some guy honestly said that 4-5M of wow's subscribers are gold-sellers.
Blizzard has announced that second of World of Warcraft expansion Wrath of the Lich King racked up 2.8 million sales worldwide in its first 24 hours on release. This makes it the fastest-selling PC game ever released. It also keeps the title in the family; the previous record-holder was first WOW expansion The Burning Crusade, which managed 2.4 million in one day in January last year. Most of those 2.8 million sales will have come from North America and Europe, although Lich King benefited from the addition of Chile, Argentina and Russia to Blizzard's domain. Australasia and south-east Asia got the expansion a day or two later, and China's still waiting. World of Warcraft has 11 million players worldwide now, versus the 8 million it had when Burning Crusade launched - so in terms of sell-through to subscribers, Lich King performed fractionally less well than its predecessor. The 3.5 million copies Burning Crusade sold in its first month will be the next of its own records Blizzard is looking to beat. One analyst has predicted that Lich King could net 5 million in the same period, according to Gamasutra.
Im sure its been said but Ill say it again. Its not the fastest selling PC game, Its may be the fastest selling expansion. I wouldn't concider WOTLK a game all buy its self cuz you cant go out and buy it and play it without having the others installed so its not really a game, its just part of one. Not to rain on anyones parade or anything, Its is impressive though that it sold that many in that amount of time.
nope, sorry. FASTEST SELLING PC GAME of all times. Not expansion, game. no other sold so much in a day. The previous holder of the title was Burning Crusade so they know what they are talking about.
what it is NOT is the Fastest Selling GAME of all times. With the console market bigger than the PC by a 10:1 factor, WotLK is not that. GTA IV is that with 3.6 millions sold in a day.
However, as far as pc games go, 2.8 in a day is incredible.
to others: Blizzard is part of Vivendi, a public traded company that publish quarterly results. such results are puclic, anyone can go check them out and they MUST be authentic facts. so the 11 millions subscriptions is a real number and DOES NOT include trials or cancelled subscriptions. It of course count those players that own multiple accounts as it is higly impossible to verify who owns what. Beside, dual or triple boxing is nothing new and EVERYONE of wow's competitors counts subscribers in the SAME EXACT way, so counting dual boxer as 2 subscription.... and why shouldn't they? the guy is paying double.
I would wish people would stop to be so blindly negative about the numbers, just check the servers, there are hundreds, several hundreds, more than any other mmorpg around and 22 new servers opened, do you think Blizzard would open up new servers if not needed and so spend more money on maintenance? nu-uh, companies all work on the same principle, spend the least possiblt to achieve the best possible result. Opening up servers for nothing is not something any company would do.
Then again, if you want to delude yourself for some reason about WoW not being as big as it is, well go ahead, I do not see the point, no one is making you play the damn thing, so stop whining about the numbers and go play what you like.
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Lol those are big numbers...I wonder what will happen when blizzard will close WoW...in 4-5 years ( or more) from now...there will be a wave of collective suicide...in china mainly
but blizzard alrdy told they will have another expansion...but the graphic engine will be so outdated since then I can believe someone will want to play with these graphics because they will have much better PC in 2 years
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thats alot of retards buying a game in a 24 hour clip, wonder if there were any nervous breakdowns over people not getting their pre-orders. pathetic.
yeah because it's somehow strange to not want to play through tons of beautifully designed content, instances which capture the feel of vanilla wow, while retaining the well designed aspect of tbc instances?
New battlegrounds, etc etc.
Is normal?
Standing around in the old content waiting a week to go pick up a copy, just for the sake of waiting? That's not normal.
It's being lazy.
All you haters can go shove it up your ear.(censored). WoW is the best mmorpg out there, and it proves it.
You may want a sandbox, you may want a different type of game, you may not like wow. That's all perfectly fine. But just because you have your own idea for the perfect mmo game, doesn't mean it's right. So stop acting like you do.
The McDonalds comments don't work either. Goldselling is practically NON-EXISTANT. And is now mainly through keyloggers and hacked accounts.
less then 5% of the playerbase has multiple accounts less then .000001% of the playerbase has more then 2 accounts.
They don't count trials, they don't count canceled subscriptions.
Well that 2.8mil + is the hardcore OMG I gotta have this and get to lvl 80 and see everything before anyone else first crowd. There are millions of casuals that aren't ready to jump into Lich King right away.
I'm kinda in that crowd as a more hardcore/casual, meaning I can put a ton of time into the game but I don't have to be first to see stuff and would rather wait on the mad rush to spread out so I'm not fighting over mobs in the first quest areas...if ya know what I mean!
Hmm..Millions of people that hasn't reached the endgame !! In a game that is now 4+ years old , unless these are somewhat new players then I do not buy this statement at all...
Most people that plays a game and likes it also buys the expansion heads on, atleast in the guilds I have been in there has ALWAYS been a 99% ratio..
As the above poster states, the figures should be very close to the 11 million mark or there simply isn't that many subscribers..
Atleast 8-9 mil should have bought the expansion the first 24 hours..
All my friends that still play and enjoys WoW has bought the expansion on release, this is a 100 % ratio, althou this is a small fraction of the game it still tells me something..
I know many ppl who didint bought it yet , my bud at work still dont have it cause he just started playing wow and he dont have enough money , Bunch of ppl in his noob guild dont have expension yet . You are totaly wrong if you thing that 9 milion out of 11 mil bought the expension in the first 24 hours .
Well that 2.8mil + is the hardcore OMG I gotta have this and get to lvl 80 and see everything before anyone else first crowd. There are millions of casuals that aren't ready to jump into Lich King right away.
I'm kinda in that crowd as a more hardcore/casual, meaning I can put a ton of time into the game but I don't have to be first to see stuff and would rather wait on the mad rush to spread out so I'm not fighting over mobs in the first quest areas...if ya know what I mean!
Hmm..Millions of people that hasn't reached the endgame !! In a game that is now 4+ years old , unless these are somewhat new players then I do not buy this statement at all...
Most people that plays a game and likes it also buys the expansion heads on, atleast in the guilds I have been in there has ALWAYS been a 99% ratio..
As the above poster states, the figures should be very close to the 11 million mark or there simply isn't that many subscribers..
Atleast 8-9 mil should have bought the expansion the first 24 hours..
All my friends that still play and enjoys WoW has bought the expansion on release, this is a 100 % ratio, althou this is a small fraction of the game it still tells me something..
I played WoW for 4 years and my highest character is only 52, what is your point? I only have the first expansion for the game and didn't get that till I needed it. There are many more like me. Your just generalizing people on how you perceive things to be.
people like this crack me up. You do realize the 2.8M copies it sold is only for NA and EU. So 2.8M out of about 6M. That means 50% of players bought the expansion..... wait for it..... ON THE FIRST DAY!!!. Yes, if in 3 months, only 50% of players have bought the expansion.. that might not be so good. But we are talking about 'fanatic' people here. We are talking about people who went out and bought the expansion as soon as it was available. Another thing to remember.. In the 3 months before the expansion.. WOW vanilla was still on the best selling list. Which means there are probably a substantial number of players who aren't even ready for Wrath yet. So tell me about your game? is it Warhammer with it's merging servers and box sales ranked at number 468 on sales charts? Or is it AOC? (lol). If WOW's sales are so abysmal, what game is doing good?
WoW has 2.5m NA and 2 m European subscribers - according to Blizzard itself. I wonder, when will you ever learn the fact that WoW does NOT have 6m NA+European customers. Seriously...
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LMAO @ the never relenting WoW-haters. Imagine if an expansion for <insert-so-much-superior-than-WoW-MMO-here> expansion hit 2.8 million in 24 hours. We'd never heard the end of it. And of course, none of the arguments that apply here would be valid. Gotta love WoW-hater hypocrisy.
gotta love the wow fanboi when all he can say about wow is how many people play it. I think most of you just play it because its popular.
When will the WoW marketing experts in these forums realize that number of boxes sold don't mean sh*t for tons of people?
I mean, I never cared for some multimedia product's popularity, ever.
When Michael Jackson was selling like newspapers in the 80s, I was not listening to him. Same with the hip hop stuff today. I never owned a pop album, ever.
I don't eat at McDonalds when there are hundreds of millions of people in the world visiting McDonalds every day. It's not that I care about my health or anything, but just because people go there does NOT make me try those.
Same with the most popular movies. I never went to theatres for Titanic for example. Instead I want to go to a movie which I would enjoy, not to the movies people go in the opening weekend.
So what's the deal here, seriously? If more than 100k people are playing an MMO it's more than enough. It only depends on the server management of the producer. If they open too many servers and the population is spread out, it's not fun. Therefore, I am all for the server merges, if it's needed for a game.
Have fun playing with 11 million other people, where there are 5.5 million Asian players and a few million gold farmers and multi account owners. If you are having fun, that's great! But please, do not come to forums and brag about it.
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When will the WoW marketing experts in these forums realize that number of boxes sold don't mean sh*t for tons of people? I mean, I never cared for some multimedia product's popularity, ever. When Michael Jackson was selling like newspapers in the 80s, I was not listening to him. Same with the hip hop stuff today. I never owned a pop album, ever. I don't eat at McDonalds when there are hundreds of millions of people in the world visiting McDonalds every day. It's not that I care about my health or anything, but just because people go there does NOT make me try those. Same with the most popular movies. I never went to theatres for Titanic for example. Instead I want to go to a movie which I would enjoy, not to the movies people go in the opening weekend. So what's the deal here, seriously? If more than 100k people are playing an MMO it's more than enough. It only depends on the server management of the producer. If they open too many servers and the population is spread out, it's not fun. Therefore, I am all for the server merges, if it's needed for a game. Have fun playing with 11 million other people, where there are 5.5 million Asian players and a few million gold farmers and multi account owners. If you are having fun, that's great! But please, do not come to forums and brag about it.
Well that's great.
However, there are people who ARE listening to this music, like these movies and like WoW.
So just because there are a lot of boxes being sold it doesn't discount that they are being sold to people who are excited and interested in the product.
the reverse is true to you know.
Tell me how much you listen to 12 tone music each day and how much you love it.
I think it's perfectly ok for people to be excited and want to shout to the rafters that something they like/love is doing well. I don't see why it is necessary to tear that down.
Well that's great. However, there are people who ARE listening to this music, like these movies and like WoW. So just because there are a lot of boxes being sold it doesn't discount that they are being sold to people who are excited and interested in the product. the reverse is true to you know. Tell me how much you listen to 12 tone music each day and how much you love it. I think it's perfectly ok for people to be excited and want to shout to the rafters that something they like/love is doing well. I don't see why it is necessary to tear that down.
WoW feels like the MTV of the MMO world. Too popular, yet nothing worthy. But that's just a personal opinion of course.
I was never the MTV person, but I respect the people who enjoy popular things. Just don't make a fuzz about it
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Originally posted by Bladin Come back when you aren't clueless.
less then 5% of the playerbase has multiple accounts less then .000001% of the playerbase has more then 2 accounts.
I hope those aren't actual results, by those numbers "..000001%" means with a player base of say 12 million, less than 1/8th of a player has a multiple account. (that's not even 1 whole member) so it would take 7/8ths more of a person for someone to have a multiple account.
Well if we start splitting people into fractions that would be murder, I personally do not volunteer to be a member of your absurd statistic as I do not want to be chopping into 8 pieces...
Also if less than 5% of the player base has multiple accounts and only .000001% of those players has than two accounts, we can safely say that you have violated the laws of "statistic over exaggeration" and you will probably (if you haven't already) fail your statistics class if you have or ever plan on taking one.
I hope someone found this as entertaining to read as I found it to write, no offense intended I am just playing with your words.
Originally posted by barshems
i duno about diablo 2 cuz i lost my cd's thus my cd key so i haven't bothered but i checked the origional diablo not but a week ago shortly after checking on the status of daiblo 3. I can say for sure that the player base of the origional diablo game on b.net is down to around 3-5 players, of course maybe with the addition of the gold sellers on diablo 2 plus the player base you may still be right.
Ever notice when someone wants to discount subscriber numbers, they always say " everyone is a gold-seller or a multi-boxer". I read a post somewhere and some guy honestly said that 4-5M of wow's subscribers are gold-sellers.
Okay I am a newbie at forums I think that is obvious. Anyhow I would like to clearly state, so that there is no confusion, that I in no way was intending to discredit diablo 2 by my comment of gold sellers on the game...
Well that's great. However, there are people who ARE listening to this music, like these movies and like WoW. So just because there are a lot of boxes being sold it doesn't discount that they are being sold to people who are excited and interested in the product. the reverse is true to you know. Tell me how much you listen to 12 tone music each day and how much you love it. I think it's perfectly ok for people to be excited and want to shout to the rafters that something they like/love is doing well. I don't see why it is necessary to tear that down.
WoW feels like the MTV of the MMO world. Too popular, yet nothing worthy. But that's just a personal opinion of course.
I was never the MTV person, but I respect the people who enjoy popular things. Just don't make a fuzz about it
I think you sort of have it.
the problem here (which I think is hilarious) is that Video games seem to have a "classical" or more serious era. Suddenly there is a popularity and a lot of concepts that we find in popular movies/music find themselves now in video games.
There is absolutely nothing different here that hasn't gone before regarding how people react to something that takes hold in hte public's conscious. I know that many of you probably listen to some sort of rock, even if it's not "pop". Well, remember, when rock was first introduced there were many people who absolutely hated it and thought it would never last. Heck, my mother thought it was a joke album the very first time she heard a rock record.
People... this is why we study history. so we understand the cycles of how humanity works. This is all old hat and nothing unexpected.
But see my Schoenberg example in my post above for all those who want to wrap themselves around something that's NOT popular ; )
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When Michael Jackson was selling like newspapers in the 80s, I was not listening to him. Same with the hip hop stuff today. I never owned a pop album, ever. I don't eat at McDonalds when there are hundreds of millions of people in the world visiting McDonalds every day. It's not that I care about my health or anything, but just because people go there does NOT make me try those. Same with the most popular movies. I never went to theatres for Titanic for example. Instead I want to go to a movie which I would enjoy, not to the movies people go in the opening weekend.
So let me get this straight. You won't try some things just because they are popular? Some times there are good reasons that something is popular. Sure, there are some stupid fads that come and go and for awhile they are popular, but WoW isn't one of them. WoW has been popular for 4 straight years now. It's not some fad. Now that doesn't mean that YOU will like it. You may not. But to avoid something JUST because it's popular is pretty narrow minded if you ask me.
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Yes, the game is obviously dying
2.8 million during the first 24 hours, they don't say how much they sold so far.
This is verry good.
We will see, If WotLK doesnt equal the WoW playerbase in sales i call the sub number every fanboi waves in front of a non-WoW players face bullshit.
Thats because it is BS and it is fabricated..Remember they posted a story about a guy who has 36 accounts all Shamans? Yeah they count each of those as a different subscription even though its 1 person playing all 36..and who knows how many more people have multiple accounts...The majority of their alleged subs come from EU...
Most of those people, not all, but most of them are gold and power leveling accounts..Blizz counts them as actual subs... WOW sub numbers if you leave out multiple accounts, gold/powerleveling accounts is somewhere around 6 maybe 7 million...
Yes I agree with you the number is fabricated..just look at all the nerfing they did of the game..Lowered the xp needed to level..lowered the HP elite bosses have...made it easier to kill Elite bosses..Recruit a fruit program..all of these things point to serious issues that the game has..No one in their right mind would take a so called successful game and change it that drastically if they weren't worried about something..
LOL 2.8 million and they have *cough**cough* 12 million subs...thats nothing to cheer about. I have seen lots of copies (around 50) sitting stacked on tables in Best Buy, End shelves in Wal Mart... and in Gamestop..The game sold less than TBC and that if people felt TBC was garbage...give it some time with wotlk when people level cap to 80 and have nothing to do for the next 3 years, but run 4 year old BG's and arena's day in an day out..
people like this crack me up. You do realize the 2.8M copies it sold is only for NA and EU. So 2.8M out of about 6M. That means 50% of players bought the expansion..... wait for it..... ON THE FIRST DAY!!!. Yes, if in 3 months, only 50% of players have bought the expansion.. that might not be so good. But we are talking about 'fanatic' people here. We are talking about people who went out and bought the expansion as soon as it was available.
Another thing to remember.. In the 3 months before the expansion.. WOW vanilla was still on the best selling list. Which means there are probably a substantial number of players who aren't even ready for Wrath yet.
So tell me about your game? is it Warhammer with it's merging servers and box sales ranked at number 468 on sales charts? Or is it AOC? (lol). If WOW's sales are so abysmal, what game is doing good?
LMAO @ the never relenting WoW-haters.
Imagine if an expansion for <insert-so-much-superior-than-WoW-MMO-here> expansion hit 2.8 million in 24 hours. We'd never heard the end of it. And of course, none of the arguments that apply here would be valid.
Gotta love WoW-hater hypocrisy.
who cares how many copies a game sells, that doesn't make it a good game, just a well marketed one.
gotta love the wow fanboi when all he can say about wow is how many people play it. I think most of you just play it because its popular.
speaking of wow graphics, how do their graphics rate compared to other mmorpg's out there with what being the best and worst with wow at what rank? I was thinking the beta and alpha aion or global agenda might take the cake as far as mmorpgs go... did WotLK add or change anything visually or in system requirements?
I guess Gamestop is in on with Blizzard then because...
"After a single day of availability, Wrath of the Lich King is already the bestselling PC game of 2008 at GameStop and ranks as one of our top-selling products so far this year," said Bob McKenzie, GameStop’s senior vice president of merchandising. "In keeping with the tradition established by their previous releases, Blizzard Entertainment has again created a product that not only reflects their high standards of quality but is clearly an instant hit with gamers around the country."
The best selling PC game of 2008....in 1 day. Yeah, sounds like a flop to me.
And im one of those few million. /feels special
i duno about diablo 2 cuz i lost my cd's thus my cd key so i haven't bothered but i checked the origional diablo not but a week ago shortly after checking on the status of daiblo 3. I can say for sure that the player base of the origional diablo game on b.net is down to around 3-5 players, of course maybe with the addition of the gold sellers on diablo 2 plus the player base you may still be right.
i duno about diablo 2 cuz i lost my cd's thus my cd key so i haven't bothered but i checked the origional diablo not but a week ago shortly after checking on the status of daiblo 3. I can say for sure that the player base of the origional diablo game on b.net is down to around 3-5 players, of course maybe with the addition of the gold sellers on diablo 2 plus the player base you may still be right.
Ever notice when someone wants to discount subscriber numbers, they always say " everyone is a gold-seller or a multi-boxer". I read a post somewhere and some guy honestly said that 4-5M of wow's subscribers are gold-sellers.
Im sure its been said but Ill say it again. Its not the fastest selling PC game, Its may be the fastest selling expansion. I wouldn't concider WOTLK a game all buy its self cuz you cant go out and buy it and play it without having the others installed so its not really a game, its just part of one. Not to rain on anyones parade or anything, Its is impressive though that it sold that many in that amount of time.
http://eu.blizzard.com/en/press/081120.html
nope, sorry. FASTEST SELLING PC GAME of all times. Not expansion, game. no other sold so much in a day. The previous holder of the title was Burning Crusade so they know what they are talking about.
what it is NOT is the Fastest Selling GAME of all times. With the console market bigger than the PC by a 10:1 factor, WotLK is not that. GTA IV is that with 3.6 millions sold in a day.
However, as far as pc games go, 2.8 in a day is incredible.
to others: Blizzard is part of Vivendi, a public traded company that publish quarterly results. such results are puclic, anyone can go check them out and they MUST be authentic facts. so the 11 millions subscriptions is a real number and DOES NOT include trials or cancelled subscriptions. It of course count those players that own multiple accounts as it is higly impossible to verify who owns what. Beside, dual or triple boxing is nothing new and EVERYONE of wow's competitors counts subscribers in the SAME EXACT way, so counting dual boxer as 2 subscription.... and why shouldn't they? the guy is paying double.
I would wish people would stop to be so blindly negative about the numbers, just check the servers, there are hundreds, several hundreds, more than any other mmorpg around and 22 new servers opened, do you think Blizzard would open up new servers if not needed and so spend more money on maintenance? nu-uh, companies all work on the same principle, spend the least possiblt to achieve the best possible result. Opening up servers for nothing is not something any company would do.
Then again, if you want to delude yourself for some reason about WoW not being as big as it is, well go ahead, I do not see the point, no one is making you play the damn thing, so stop whining about the numbers and go play what you like.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
face facts wow is the top dog no matter how much some may dislike it
Lol those are big numbers...I wonder what will happen when blizzard will close WoW...in 4-5 years ( or more) from now...there will be a wave of collective suicide...in china mainly
but blizzard alrdy told they will have another expansion...but the graphic engine will be so outdated since then I can believe someone will want to play with these graphics because they will have much better PC in 2 years
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What's a "grocery store"? Is that like McDonald's?
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Kind of, just without the rapist.
yeah because it's somehow strange to not want to play through tons of beautifully designed content, instances which capture the feel of vanilla wow, while retaining the well designed aspect of tbc instances?
New battlegrounds, etc etc.
Is normal?
Standing around in the old content waiting a week to go pick up a copy, just for the sake of waiting? That's not normal.
It's being lazy.
All you haters can go shove it up your ear.(censored). WoW is the best mmorpg out there, and it proves it.
You may want a sandbox, you may want a different type of game, you may not like wow. That's all perfectly fine. But just because you have your own idea for the perfect mmo game, doesn't mean it's right. So stop acting like you do.
The McDonalds comments don't work either. Goldselling is practically NON-EXISTANT. And is now mainly through keyloggers and hacked accounts.
less then 5% of the playerbase has multiple accounts less then .000001% of the playerbase has more then 2 accounts.
They don't count trials, they don't count canceled subscriptions.
Come back when you aren't clueless.
Hmm..Millions of people that hasn't reached the endgame !! In a game that is now 4+ years old , unless these are somewhat new players then I do not buy this statement at all...
Most people that plays a game and likes it also buys the expansion heads on, atleast in the guilds I have been in there has ALWAYS been a 99% ratio..
As the above poster states, the figures should be very close to the 11 million mark or there simply isn't that many subscribers..
Atleast 8-9 mil should have bought the expansion the first 24 hours..
All my friends that still play and enjoys WoW has bought the expansion on release, this is a 100 % ratio, althou this is a small fraction of the game it still tells me something..
I know many ppl who didint bought it yet , my bud at work still dont have it cause he just started playing wow and he dont have enough money , Bunch of ppl in his noob guild dont have expension yet . You are totaly wrong if you thing that 9 milion out of 11 mil bought the expension in the first 24 hours .
Hmm..Millions of people that hasn't reached the endgame !! In a game that is now 4+ years old , unless these are somewhat new players then I do not buy this statement at all...
Most people that plays a game and likes it also buys the expansion heads on, atleast in the guilds I have been in there has ALWAYS been a 99% ratio..
As the above poster states, the figures should be very close to the 11 million mark or there simply isn't that many subscribers..
Atleast 8-9 mil should have bought the expansion the first 24 hours..
All my friends that still play and enjoys WoW has bought the expansion on release, this is a 100 % ratio, althou this is a small fraction of the game it still tells me something..
I played WoW for 4 years and my highest character is only 52, what is your point? I only have the first expansion for the game and didn't get that till I needed it. There are many more like me. Your just generalizing people on how you perceive things to be.
WoW has 2.5m NA and 2 m European subscribers - according to Blizzard itself. I wonder, when will you ever learn the fact that WoW does NOT have 6m NA+European customers. Seriously...
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
gotta love the wow fanboi when all he can say about wow is how many people play it. I think most of you just play it because its popular.
More fun than not playing it for the same reason.
When will the WoW marketing experts in these forums realize that number of boxes sold don't mean sh*t for tons of people?
I mean, I never cared for some multimedia product's popularity, ever.
When Michael Jackson was selling like newspapers in the 80s, I was not listening to him. Same with the hip hop stuff today. I never owned a pop album, ever.
I don't eat at McDonalds when there are hundreds of millions of people in the world visiting McDonalds every day. It's not that I care about my health or anything, but just because people go there does NOT make me try those.
Same with the most popular movies. I never went to theatres for Titanic for example. Instead I want to go to a movie which I would enjoy, not to the movies people go in the opening weekend.
So what's the deal here, seriously? If more than 100k people are playing an MMO it's more than enough. It only depends on the server management of the producer. If they open too many servers and the population is spread out, it's not fun. Therefore, I am all for the server merges, if it's needed for a game.
Have fun playing with 11 million other people, where there are 5.5 million Asian players and a few million gold farmers and multi account owners. If you are having fun, that's great! But please, do not come to forums and brag about it.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
Well that's great.
However, there are people who ARE listening to this music, like these movies and like WoW.
So just because there are a lot of boxes being sold it doesn't discount that they are being sold to people who are excited and interested in the product.
the reverse is true to you know.
Tell me how much you listen to 12 tone music each day and how much you love it.
I think it's perfectly ok for people to be excited and want to shout to the rafters that something they like/love is doing well. I don't see why it is necessary to tear that down.
(oh... for your listening pleasure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8LXYm0QO1c )
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
WoW feels like the MTV of the MMO world. Too popular, yet nothing worthy. But that's just a personal opinion of course.
I was never the MTV person, but I respect the people who enjoy popular things. Just don't make a fuzz about it
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
I hope those aren't actual results, by those numbers "..000001%" means with a player base of say 12 million, less than 1/8th of a player has a multiple account. (that's not even 1 whole member) so it would take 7/8ths more of a person for someone to have a multiple account.
Well if we start splitting people into fractions that would be murder, I personally do not volunteer to be a member of your absurd statistic as I do not want to be chopping into 8 pieces...
Also if less than 5% of the player base has multiple accounts and only .000001% of those players has than two accounts, we can safely say that you have violated the laws of "statistic over exaggeration" and you will probably (if you haven't already) fail your statistics class if you have or ever plan on taking one.
I hope someone found this as entertaining to read as I found it to write, no offense intended I am just playing with your words.
Originally posted by barshems
i duno about diablo 2 cuz i lost my cd's thus my cd key so i haven't bothered but i checked the origional diablo not but a week ago shortly after checking on the status of daiblo 3. I can say for sure that the player base of the origional diablo game on b.net is down to around 3-5 players, of course maybe with the addition of the gold sellers on diablo 2 plus the player base you may still be right.
Ever notice when someone wants to discount subscriber numbers, they always say " everyone is a gold-seller or a multi-boxer". I read a post somewhere and some guy honestly said that 4-5M of wow's subscribers are gold-sellers.
Okay I am a newbie at forums I think that is obvious. Anyhow I would like to clearly state, so that there is no confusion, that I in no way was intending to discredit diablo 2 by my comment of gold sellers on the game...
I am done.
WoW feels like the MTV of the MMO world. Too popular, yet nothing worthy. But that's just a personal opinion of course.
I was never the MTV person, but I respect the people who enjoy popular things. Just don't make a fuzz about it
I think you sort of have it.
the problem here (which I think is hilarious) is that Video games seem to have a "classical" or more serious era. Suddenly there is a popularity and a lot of concepts that we find in popular movies/music find themselves now in video games.
There is absolutely nothing different here that hasn't gone before regarding how people react to something that takes hold in hte public's conscious. I know that many of you probably listen to some sort of rock, even if it's not "pop". Well, remember, when rock was first introduced there were many people who absolutely hated it and thought it would never last. Heck, my mother thought it was a joke album the very first time she heard a rock record.
People... this is why we study history. so we understand the cycles of how humanity works. This is all old hat and nothing unexpected.
But see my Schoenberg example in my post above for all those who want to wrap themselves around something that's NOT popular ; )
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
So let me get this straight. You won't try some things just because they are popular? Some times there are good reasons that something is popular. Sure, there are some stupid fads that come and go and for awhile they are popular, but WoW isn't one of them. WoW has been popular for 4 straight years now. It's not some fad. Now that doesn't mean that YOU will like it. You may not. But to avoid something JUST because it's popular is pretty narrow minded if you ask me.