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Why have Online Games become so bad.?
ZANGFEI
Member Posts: 439
Hi all.
There are two or three games i would love to play but GOD they are nothing but a home for just about everything that one like myself does not need in a Game. Can't these people be punished for this type of nonsense they create.
Start taking there computers or gaming devices away from them or closing down shops that don't care.
Am i the only one that thinks that it out of hand?. Games were meant to have fun, why now does it bother me so much then to play. Has this happened because of so many free games around and none seem to care at all about what happens. It's getting to the point where i do not even want to do Betas anymore......... /sigh
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No, you are not ony one to feel this. There is a bit of story behind all this and its part of marketing charts and marketing progression and influence on devs that are more a greedy lurkers than devs who really play and enjoy games. The main value that seems forgoten in this dark age of gaming is gameplay, good fun gamepalay. Investments became to huge that only the stupid people who have the money can ride the horse today.
"Claps"
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Blitz
Customer service cost money and its really sad because most companies for get that their customers are living a breathing people that have a brain and can think! Its really sad to see all these games that come out and they have no GM's and then you get pay games and by the time someone comes to help you dont want to play anymore because they took too damn long to help you. I am not giving up on companies just because there are always a few out there that care about their players and EA Mythic proved that to me. I know it looks bad right now but dont give up.
About 4 years ago it stopped being about making a great game that even they the developers wanted to play and became about making as much money as possible as quickly as possible.
When were they ever good? Ultima Online had it right but it was instantly derailed by carebears, to whom concessions were made, and the subsequent release of everquest.
I had a 3 year love/hate relationship with PlanetSide since then and a several month stint in the Face of Mankind beta.
The rest of my time? I've been playing F.E.A.R. team death match (most under-rated multiplayer of the decade) and BF2142. Going to be getting into Left 4 Dead if I can ever find the time.
Not missing MMOs one bit. Call me when MMOFPS starts rolling out.
Just to clarify, it has always been about making as much money as possible. They didn't make UO or EQ hoping to make as little money as possible. Nobody spends their time and investment, hoping to go bankrupt.
I have zero interest in a MMOFPS. FPS games are fun right now, I don't need them to be more "massive". I can get shot a million times, and shoot people a million times already. I don't need 5,000 players in the game, I already can't shoot all the players in a Battlefield 2142 game.
Call me when a good mmo RPG starts rolling out, where the players can change the game world.
..basically what the other people have already said. Everyone is too focused on money and ignoring the fun aspect, and if it's not that then their developers are ignorant or new to the MMO genre and lack the full understanding of what makes a good game.
Have to agree with money but if developers go that extra yard i'm pretty sure they would reap the rewards. Oh and Imhotepp I think you forgot about Funcom and Age of Conan
Bankruptcy here we come.
I'll place my bet down on SWG preCU that this won't happen.
I'll place my bet down on SWG preCU that this won't happen.
With some minor tweaks. I don't think the Jedi thing works, now that we know you become Jedi by grinding every skill in the game.
The very simple solution is to vote with your wallet. The reality is, if the companies don't make money, they won't stay open. If they DO make money, they're obviously fulfilling someone's needs (a relatively large group of someones, at that). Just because you may dislike a game does not mean other people do, keep looking until you find something interesting that works for you. If developers aren't making games you want to play, you're either too picky or too small of a percentage of the market to attract the money. In that case, you're pretty much stuck, unless you learn to develop MMOs yourself and make what you consider the perfect game (which, admitedly, is not all that likely). Until then, developers are going to continue to create whatever will make them money, and I personally find it rather hard to fault them for wanting to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads.
TBH... I don't like any of the new games.. they all blow chunks, they do not give me what I am looking for in a game and are not something I can play with friends and have everyone enjoy. They have taken huge steps backwards not forwards in my view. Better graphix does not mean better gameplay and gameplay these days is LAME. I would give up AOC graphix any day to have player freedoms and more content. And by more content I am not talking about repetitious boring more monsters to kill in a game, or never ending quests
I want real strategy and things for the players to do themselves. I want to be able to make everything in the game that players use and be able to use them in every way possible. I want everything to be customizable and be able to access all game content from one player not being forced into "classes to access limited content" I want to be able to mage in range gear, range in melee gear, and do all in combat or one in combat as I feel like doing so. and be able to do that when I feel like it not when the game determines it for me. I want to be able to kill whoever I want ,wearing whatever I want, any and every way possible in the game with one character. Until gaming has reached that level it is still in the dark ages and will not see sunlight until some smart dev pulls their head out and gives players what they desire most. This pre scripted, repetitious, insanely limited BS they dish out is certainly not it.
Sounds like you want to play off-line RPGs. What's the point of making the MMOs when one character can kill anything it wants wearing whatever it wants? Check into things like the Elder Scrolls series, they sound more like what you're looking for (and I'm being serious here, not trying to be snarky).
LOL no... I want to be able to make and trade anything to anyone in the game, pk in a ms clause outfit with a whip and 5 inch heels and give it the defense stats of full armor, and be able to go where I want in the game when I want without being led around on a leash... I could care less if there were any NPC's in a game at all.. only players .. all quests and content based around player interaction , sorry but prescripted blah blah blah story lines just doesn't do it for me ... I want to be able to train soley on players if I see fit, and train whatever I choose in the game not have game tell me what I can and cannot do.. I do not need a daddy.. I already have one of those.
The smart devs have pulled their heads out, and given players what they want. They call it WoW. The rest of us want some sort of niche game, but most of us dont' want the same niche.
The smart devs have pulled their heads out, and given players what they want. They call it WoW. The rest of us want some sort of niche game, but most of us dont' want the same niche.
Wow is LAME too! it doesn;t give me any of these things ... it's crafting is lame, it's quests are lame and it's pvp has much to be desired. You cannot make everything in the game and kill everyone in the game with it .. so what is the point?
The smart devs have pulled their heads out, and given players what they want. They call it WoW. The rest of us want some sort of niche game, but most of us dont' want the same niche.
Wow is LAME too! it doesn;t give me any of these things ... it's crafting is lame, it's quests are lame and it's pvp has much to be desired. You cannot make everything in the game and kill everyone in the game with it .. so what is the point?
11 million players, over 1 billion in revenues, shows this is what the players desire most. Not the one player that is you, but the majority of players.
The rest of us want a niche game. But the niche game I want, and the niche game you want are nothing alike.
In otherwords, it's not really a good investment to design an entire MMORPG, just for devilicious to play. You're talking about what YOU want, not the majority of players. They want WoW.
The smart devs have pulled their heads out, and given players what they want. They call it WoW. The rest of us want some sort of niche game, but most of us dont' want the same niche.
Wow is LAME too! it doesn;t give me any of these things ... it's crafting is lame, it's quests are lame and it's pvp has much to be desired. You cannot make everything in the game and kill everyone in the game with it .. so what is the point?
11 million players, over 1 billion in revenues, shows this is what the players desire most. Not the one player that is you, but the majority of players.
The rest of us want a niche game. But the niche game I want, and the niche game you want are nothing alike.
In otherwords, it's not really a good investment to design an entire MMORPG, just for devilicious to play. You're talking about what YOU want, not the majority of players. They want WoW.
LOL! that is because there has been nothing better yet made.. you see it is not that players desires are being filled, it is that they have not made anything better yet, by a reputable company and heavily advertised it. but ask any wow player and I am sure they have plenty they would like more from the game. no see that is the thing.. I want a game that I can play with my friends, I do not want a niche game, I want a game that everyone can play the way they want to play it and all havbe fun.. that is why I say mmos are still in the dark ages, instead of making a well rounded game they make all these "niche " games. If a game has great crafting it blows at pvp, if it has great pvp it blows at crafting... see why can't we have both in one game?
See I like massive pvp, some of my friend are just plain sad when it comes to pvp so they like to craft, that way they can have fun crafting and I can have fun killing everyone I see on the same game. See Runescape as much as I hate that game figured out a few things right, and one was to have one character that can access all content, many different areas to do different things in, many different skills and everything accessable from one character. now if you take those aspects and then give the game even more features such as socketing the items you make ( like diablo) to give them the stats you want, allowing for you to dye them how you want, and then give it the graphics style and pvp gameplay of guild wars and you will have a best seller that many different types of players can play and enjoy. If you want to train a skill great, if you don;t great it is your choice to train as many or as few skills as you want and can still enjoy the game that way... why would anyone want to have someone else telling them what they can and cannot do in a game? I don't get that... lol.
The smart devs have pulled their heads out, and given players what they want. They call it WoW. The rest of us want some sort of niche game, but most of us dont' want the same niche.
Wow is LAME too! it doesn;t give me any of these things ... it's crafting is lame, it's quests are lame and it's pvp has much to be desired. You cannot make everything in the game and kill everyone in the game with it .. so what is the point?
11 million players, over 1 billion in revenues, shows this is what the players desire most. Not the one player that is you, but the majority of players.
The rest of us want a niche game. But the niche game I want, and the niche game you want are nothing alike.
In otherwords, it's not really a good investment to design an entire MMORPG, just for devilicious to play. You're talking about what YOU want, not the majority of players. They want WoW.
LOL! that is because there has been nothing better yet made.. you see it is not that players desires are being filled, it is that they have not made anything better yet, by a reputable company and heavily advertised it.
Name one game that would beat WoW with advertising dollars?
It's not the ad money, it's the game.
WAR isn't failing to get subs because of the ad money. Players left Wow, went to WAR, then went back to WoW because they like it better.
You just have to face the reality that just becasue you don't like WoW, doesn't mean it's not what the majority of players want.
If the players desires aren't being [ful] filled, then why 11 million of them playing it?
The smart devs have pulled their heads out, and given players what they want. They call it WoW. The rest of us want some sort of niche game, but most of us dont' want the same niche.
Wow is LAME too! it doesn;t give me any of these things ... it's crafting is lame, it's quests are lame and it's pvp has much to be desired. You cannot make everything in the game and kill everyone in the game with it .. so what is the point?
11 million players, over 1 billion in revenues, shows this is what the players desire most. Not the one player that is you, but the majority of players.
The rest of us want a niche game. But the niche game I want, and the niche game you want are nothing alike.
In otherwords, it's not really a good investment to design an entire MMORPG, just for devilicious to play. You're talking about what YOU want, not the majority of players. They want WoW.
LOL! that is because there has been nothing better yet made.. you see it is not that players desires are being filled, it is that they have not made anything better yet, by a reputable company and heavily advertised it.
Name one game that would beat WoW with advertising dollars?
It's not the ad money, it's the game.
WAR isn't failing to get subs because of the ad money. Players left Wow, went to WAR, then went back to WoW because they like it better.
You just have to face the reality that just becasue you don't like WoW, doesn't mean it's not what the majority of players want.
If the players desires aren't being [ful] filled, then why 11 million of them playing it?
War's graphix style was the first turn off for me .. don't like it bleh so I am not bothering with it. I didn't say I didn;t like WOW, yes it is lame and has much to be desired, but has good features as well. Like I said before, What else is out there to play by reputable companies? AOC.. gameplay blew chunks on that one and they flat out lied to players on release, WAR appears to be aimed more for boys .. at least WOW has somethings that appeal to women like myself. Many people that are playing WOW it is their first MMO. I know man y people who have never played any online games prior that are now playing WOW. It can be purchased anywhere, and has had heavy press. I am not saying that it was just their advertising budget, but it's free press from many sources have really given it a boost in sales. I play WOW, I have many friends that play WOW, why? because there is not any other even remotely decent games out there that we can all play. I sure as hell am not playing an asian grindfest, and my friends won't play anything sci fi so what does that leave us with? Most people that actually play WOW have no clue what a mmorpg even is, nor do they even know other games exist. It appeals to the casual gamer, why can there not be a game that appeals to the casual and hardcore gamer that has great crafting, great pvp, and great quest? If one exists I sure as hell haven't seen it yet. If someone creates it and pulls off lag free bug free gameplay and great customer service to go along with it and we will finally get a winner!
World of Warcraft happened.
The end.
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why are they do bad? B/c they try to be the end-all-be-all of MMORPGs. Rather than accecpting and building toward a niche market, they try to corner the market by trying to be THE GAME for everyone.
Darkfall looks promising in terms of skill based builds and open pvp. Hopefully they'll stick to their guns when they realize they arent pulling the RPers and PvEers
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People only want WoW because they don't know any better.
If someone made a game that was a very fun, updated sandbox game, the WoW players might just like that better. But they are never going to leave WoW if every other game out there is a clone of it. To get the WoW crowd to try something else, the something else has to be significantly different. I am sure they are getting tired of WoW by now since they've been playing it several years.
Why would a company innovate to try and make something groundbreaking ?
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Come up with the some old tried and tested waffle (which they claim is different) aka the safe option.
For anyone who buys the Edge magazine, read up on Decembers' edition about EA trying to come up with new IPs. Good times ahead, its just taking time to get the right people in. And that is not just EA, that is across the industry.
For the moment, it's the tried and tested option and matter of industry statistics.