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I just signed up today, and guess what, I'm having FUN! This baby may be closing down in a couple of months but i think I'm going to stick with it 'til the end. Great interface, good graphics and fun gameplay...what more could you ask for?
I'd always stayed away from thi one because of all the negative feedback I'd seen. Either they've changed the game a great deal since launch or there are just a bunch of flaming losers out there who can't see this is a damn good game! Anyway, my little tirade is complete. Thsoe of you who are interested, feel free to sign up, and I do mean FREE. Those of you who wish to flame me...light the matches. 
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You just started today, that explains why you are in love with the game. Knocking people who played for months and reached top level after your whole entire first day is lame. Not to mention you know nothing about the game yet and you still assume that people who knock the game are losers. When you reach level 50 come back and tell us all how great the game is.
I suggest that you take the time to update your research - no one will argue with you that the game was released in a somewhat unfinished state, however the Devs have been working hard and the game now is much, much, better than then. That would be like comparing EvE-Exodus to EVE-Quantum Rise. It seems that you are very quick to cry foul of this game but that your experiences are a year out of date.
There are more missions, bigger badder enemies, mechs and PAU's coming in the next update (D16) and even an FPS view. The CP combat system is absolutely brilliant and has been the most fun that I have ever had in an MMO. As far as I can see the only weak point to it as an MMO is that there are not that many people playing it, less since the announcement about it's closure so finding a squad is harder than it was.Personally I would suggest that people try a game for themselves before making their mind up - after all its not like they have to pay for it atm is it?
To put this in perspective, I used to be a mad Eve player - it nearly cost me my marriage three times - this game has never become a job, has always been fun and never stops giving me those moments when I think "I just did that".
the moment i played this game, i could tell it was one of those games that was good but was still missing somthing. all mmos seem to end up being the same, they just keep you busy instead of entertained. not to mention everything is either fantasy or scifi. barely any other types. theres only like, 4 or 5 modernday ones and so called sport mmos.
when are they gonna get creative and make something thats fun instead of hard work
UK...do you ever stop and consider that maybe your view of reality is a bit off "normal"? The above comment shows that, to a certain extent, you lack a certain balance when it comes to gaming. I'm not disrespecting you, simply pointing out that you, by your own words, completely immerse yourself in the game you are playing. That's great, however it can be unhealthy, and it certainly gives you a larger "stake" in hyping the game.
I understand you are happy with TR, especially while free. You should understand, however, that this game has failed, and is going bye-bye. Nothing you can say puts a positive spin on that. When asked to pay money for this title, even many rabid fans of the game quickly said "no thank you". Many of those that stuck it through to the end, were disappointed at 50, and left at that time.
Your opinion is that the game is great. Many others would agree. Most people that have tried the game disagree, however, and that is why the plug is being pulled.
The game is closing due to unwise decisions made by NCSoft with respect to outlays, fees paid to RG, and marketing of the game, and as much as the TR haters want to link these factors to the actual quality of the game, any connection is weak at best. While it's not a matter of the haters being "losers," there are some pretty obvious agendas in lots of the TR hate here and other places.
All that said, I won't be playing a dying game myself, despite the fact that I loved TR. As far as the constant whine about limited content in TR, I played for over two months, and based on lots of experience in MMOs, estimate that there were another 6-8 months of engaging gameplay ahead for me in TR from the existing content alone. I only scratched the surface in 2+ months.
Like the game, don't like it,. whatever, it's pretty transparent that when someone posts a positive post about a game that is being shut down, and instead of posting reasonable counterpoints, haters make personal attacks on the poster who is having fun, re: their gaming style, newness to the game, etc., that there is something fishy about such attacks. No rational poster would take OP's original "losers" comment seriously as a legitimate flame of people who don't like TR.
but is this game free forever of wasn't it just free for a month, before it would go offline for good?
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waiting for ... nothing..
In 35 years I have yet to meet a "normal" and "balanced" person, so I don't know what you could possibly mean by that.
Rok, why are you crapping on someone for liking the game? I played to 50 and know plenty about it. I liked it a lot, so what's the problem?
I didn't like WAR, but you won't find me crapping on their forums. Some people like WAR and that's great for them. Some people like Hello Kitty Online too, but I don't see Rok crapping on their forums. What makes TR so special that you feel the need to complain about it incensantly?
I suggest that you take the time to update your research - no one will argue with you that the game was released in a somewhat unfinished state, however the Devs have been working hard and the game now is much, much, better than then. That would be like comparing EvE-Exodus to EVE-Quantum Rise. It seems that you are very quick to cry foul of this game but that your experiences are a year out of date.
There are more missions, bigger badder enemies, mechs and PAU's coming in the next update (D16) and even an FPS view. The CP combat system is absolutely brilliant and has been the most fun that I have ever had in an MMO. As far as I can see the only weak point to it as an MMO is that there are not that many people playing it, less since the announcement about it's closure so finding a squad is harder than it was.Personally I would suggest that people try a game for themselves before making their mind up - after all its not like they have to pay for it atm is it?
To put this in perspective, I used to be a mad Eve player - it nearly cost me my marriage three times - this game has never become a job, has always been fun and never stops giving me those moments when I think "I just did that".
While finding old posts of mine you might want to find the one that stated I started playing again in July and August, then quit because it was the same easy nothing to do MMO, so my research was not nearly a year old. What they are adding now is all the things they needed a year ago. The PAus are still not what was supposedly in development last year. Instead of one per class they are adding 2 PAUs and a couple of Mechs into a game that has no content hard enough to need these things.
TR is a failure as an MMO from almost every angle and not just the one you say of not many people. There are not many people because TR offered very little to keep them.
If you want to attack my knowledge, you need more research. The problem with TR is too many missions and not enough fighting the war that is supposed to be for mankinds very survival. Instead of delivering porn and candy and liquor we should have been fighting a WAR.
So it is ok for him to make a losers comment but it is not ok for me to point out that making such a comment on your first day of playing the game and saying how great it is are wrong?
TR failed because almost everyone who tried it quit before the announcement was made to kill the game. Do you think people who bought the game left due to poor marketing? NO. They left due to poor content. The game had nothing to do at high level and with thin content through most levels it had very low replayability. It is not like you could play another class and do the game entirely different. You would need to still run the same quests because there were barely enough to get you from level to level. CPs should have been a bigger part of leveling and combat in general should have been as it was a war game.
I would guess you were a very casual player as 2+ months was for many people the reached 50 what do I do stage? Nothing wrong with it, but you are the exception when it comes to thinking TR had almost a years content.
I have to laugh when people play a bad game and then blame the entire internet for having an agenda. Did you ever think maybe the game just is not that good? Look up the numbers. They went from 38k subs at the end of Q2 to 28k subs at the end of Q3 they lost 10k in one 3 month period and that was before the plug got pulled. Do you think those people left because of outlays, money paid to RG or advertising? No they left because they were bored and the game was moving too slowly.
In 35 years I have yet to meet a "normal" and "balanced" person, so I don't know what you could possibly mean by that.
Rok, why are you crapping on someone for liking the game? I played to 50 and know plenty about it. I liked it a lot, so what's the problem?
I didn't like WAR, but you won't find me crapping on their forums. Some people like WAR and that's great for them. Some people like Hello Kitty Online too, but I don't see Rok crapping on their forums. What makes TR so special that you feel the need to complain about it incensantly?
I never played WAR or Hello Kitty, why would I crap on games I never played? That would be really stupid.
He called people who flame TR losers, I felt like explaining to him why that was a less than intelligent thing to say on the first day you play a game. If we all decided how great a game was on the first day I think TR would have a million players since the beginning is TRs best moments.
If you do not want to read what I have to say about TR, then ignore me, this is not TR fanboy site, this site allows honest opinions about a game. If you want the lovefest you think TR deserves go back to PTR and sit with the rest of the people who think TR shut down with 100k subs and the ones who think it makes a profit and whatever other daydreams they enjoy there. This is reality, or a lot closer to it than PTR was ever willing to allow.
UK...do you ever stop and consider that maybe your view of reality is a bit off "normal"? The above comment shows that, to a certain extent, you lack a certain balance when it comes to gaming. I'm not disrespecting you, simply pointing out that you, by your own words, completely immerse yourself in the game you are playing. That's great, however it can be unhealthy, and it certainly gives you a larger "stake" in hyping the game.
I understand you are happy with TR, especially while free. You should understand, however, that this game has failed, and is going bye-bye. Nothing you can say puts a positive spin on that. When asked to pay money for this title, even many rabid fans of the game quickly said "no thank you". Many of those that stuck it through to the end, were disappointed at 50, and left at that time.
Your opinion is that the game is great. Many others would agree. Most people that have tried the game disagree, however, and that is why the plug is being pulled.
As I said I prefer TR because it is fun. I had subscribed to it when they made it free, and for those that are interested it is free to play until 28th Feb 2009. But as you said my opinion is that it is great, and I do like the game, I find it enjoyable and mindless in the same sort of way that I found HL2 fun and mindless. But they are not the same game... at all. I love the fluid battles for the control points that occur in TR, when you start attacking and the NPC dropships land behind you dispatching reinforcements... or vice versa. I like the way that you can clone characters but still retain the same identity (a big bugbear of mine in EO) but what I really like is that I can progress through the game at my own speed, usually just a couple of nights a week, chill out with it and not get ganked by some 13 year old with an 133T complex and put two months of toil in the bin.
To me its a happy blend of FPS and RPG with the ablity to group up if wanted. I like it. But that is MY opinion. Others should make up their own mind, but on the game as it is now, not as it was pre-release or shortly there-after. Even if they do pull the plug, theres a couple of months of free play left to those that want to take part, why deny them that opportunity.
To those that have defended me thank you, but I'm an adult and I've heard kids screaming abuse over Vent enough times to be immune to it. It's what any mature, balanced person would do, just make your point and move on.
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To Rok: I am sorry about the flaming losers comment if that indeed offended you, it was more pointed toward the likes of the people who started the "Vindication" thread. However my comments still stand though i did not think it would generate such hostillity. My post was meant more to inform people about the fact that TR had gone free and to get people in on it while there was still time. Please have a nice day, and thank you for shopping
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Fair enough... It still seems strange to me that when I stopped playing TR last May you were all over the forums complaining about TR. Low and behold six months later when I start playing again I see that you're still here complaining about the game. There must be something compelling you to stick around and do what you do. People don't normally do something for that long unless they enjoy it. Heh, you must enjoy complaining about TR much more than you ever did playing it.
Of course you can stick around and express your opinions until the end of time, but it would be nice to hear you acknowledge that there are a fair number of people who really enjoy TR because there are.
So it is ok for him to make a losers comment but it is not ok for me to point out that making such a comment on your first day of playing the game and saying how great it is are wrong?
TR failed because almost everyone who tried it quit before the announcement was made to kill the game. Do you think people who bought the game left due to poor marketing? NO. They left due to poor content. The game had nothing to do at high level and with thin content through most levels it had very low replayability. It is not like you could play another class and do the game entirely different. You would need to still run the same quests because there were barely enough to get you from level to level. CPs should have been a bigger part of leveling and combat in general should have been as it was a war game.
I would guess you were a very casual player as 2+ months was for many people the reached 50 what do I do stage? Nothing wrong with it, but you are the exception when it comes to thinking TR had almost a years content.
I have to laugh when people play a bad game and then blame the entire internet for having an agenda. Did you ever think maybe the game just is not that good? Look up the numbers. They went from 38k subs at the end of Q2 to 28k subs at the end of Q3 they lost 10k in one 3 month period and that was before the plug got pulled. Do you think those people left because of outlays, money paid to RG or advertising? No they left because they were bored and the game was moving too slowly.
We play in an MMO market where games overpromise and underdeliver content as part of the ordinary course of business. Sure, it's less than desirable, but in no way a TR specific complaint. As is the case with all cutting edge graphics games, lots left, or didn't buy the box to begin with, because of performance issues or inability to meet the specs. A very large contingent of players weaned on WoW or EQ model grinders leave games (and I estimate left TR) because there are no addictive endgame timesinks (raiding/gear grind) to keep their unhealthy relationship with the game fueled and bemoan the "lack of content" on their way out the door (AND IN THE CASE OF LOTS OF POSTERS HERE, FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AFTERWARDS). And of course you are correct, some leave because they just don't like the game or find it boring..
NCSoft's major errors consisted in 1) paying way too much money to secure the services of RG, 2) Not reining the dev team and RG to get the game timely published and within a realistic budget, 3) Not selling enough boxes to cushion the inevitable losses a first year MMO will suffer, 3) Not supporting the game with effective post-release marketing, and 4) Having unrealistic expectations of a niche scifi game in an MMO universe ruled by elves and orcs. None of these very real and empirically demonstrable factors stem from game quality issues. Sure, like all MMOs, TR had lots and lots of first year issues (as did WoW, UO, EQ, AOC, and every other MMO ever released). Summarizing what happened to TR as "The game was bad, just look at the subscription numbers for proof of that" is not a fair statement all things considered.
Personally, after 2+ months of TR, I had one lvl 50 toon, another lvl 42, and some various 15-30 clones. Playstyle among the different classes was very different, and I found the "grinding/leveling" features of TR to be more entertaining than any other game I've played, so was enthusiastic to continue creating more and different toons. I had explored maybe 25% of the existing content in 2+ months playing 20+ hours per week, and enjoyed repeating the content. But it must be that I am a more casual (read "less than") gamer because I found the content in TR to be both expansive and engaging, right?
the game is quite great now compared to last year .i have been playing my lvl 40 charcter and its fun
Fair enough... It still seems strange to me that when I stopped playing TR last May you were all over the forums complaining about TR. Low and behold six months later when I start playing again I see that you're still here complaining about the game. There must be something compelling you to stick around and do what you do. People don't normally do something for that long unless they enjoy it. Heh, you must enjoy complaining about TR much more than you ever did playing it.
Of course you can stick around and express your opinions until the end of time, but it would be nice to hear you acknowledge that there are a fair number of people who really enjoy TR because there are.
At last count in Q3 that number was 28k down from 38k at the end of the quarter before. So that fair number was too small for TR to make money and the game was cancelled. Do I think they could have had a profitable game? Yes, if they did a lot of things different.
So it is ok for him to make a losers comment but it is not ok for me to point out that making such a comment on your first day of playing the game and saying how great it is are wrong?
TR failed because almost everyone who tried it quit before the announcement was made to kill the game. Do you think people who bought the game left due to poor marketing? NO. They left due to poor content. The game had nothing to do at high level and with thin content through most levels it had very low replayability. It is not like you could play another class and do the game entirely different. You would need to still run the same quests because there were barely enough to get you from level to level. CPs should have been a bigger part of leveling and combat in general should have been as it was a war game.
I would guess you were a very casual player as 2+ months was for many people the reached 50 what do I do stage? Nothing wrong with it, but you are the exception when it comes to thinking TR had almost a years content.
I have to laugh when people play a bad game and then blame the entire internet for having an agenda. Did you ever think maybe the game just is not that good? Look up the numbers. They went from 38k subs at the end of Q2 to 28k subs at the end of Q3 they lost 10k in one 3 month period and that was before the plug got pulled. Do you think those people left because of outlays, money paid to RG or advertising? No they left because they were bored and the game was moving too slowly.
We play in an MMO market where games overpromise and underdeliver content as part of the ordinary course of business. Sure, it's less than desirable, but in no way a TR specific complaint. As is the case with all cutting edge graphics games, lots left, or didn't buy the box to begin with, because of performance issues or inability to meet the specs. A very large contingent of players weaned on WoW or EQ model grinders leave games (and I estimate left TR) because there are no addictive endgame timesinks (raiding/gear grind) to keep their unhealthy relationship with the game fueled and bemoan the "lack of content" on their way out the door (AND IN THE CASE OF LOTS OF POSTERS HERE, FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AFTERWARDS). And of course you are correct, some leave because they just don't like the game or find it boring..
NCSoft's major errors consisted in 1) paying way too much money to secure the services of RG, 2) Not reining the dev team and RG to get the game timely published and within a realistic budget, 3) Not selling enough boxes to cushion the inevitable losses a first year MMO will suffer, 3) Not supporting the game with effective post-release marketing, and 4) Having unrealistic expectations of a niche scifi game in an MMO universe ruled by elves and orcs. None of these very real and empirically demonstrable factors stem from game quality issues. Sure, like all MMOs, TR had lots and lots of first year issues (as did WoW, UO, EQ, AOC, and every other MMO ever released). Summarizing what happened to TR as "The game was bad, just look at the subscription numbers for proof of that" is not a fair statement all things considered.
Personally, after 2+ months of TR, I had one lvl 50 toon, another lvl 42, and some various 15-30 clones. Playstyle among the different classes was very different, and I found the "grinding/leveling" features of TR to be more entertaining than any other game I've played, so was enthusiastic to continue creating more and different toons. I had explored maybe 25% of the existing content in 2+ months playing 20+ hours per week, and enjoyed repeating the content. But it must be that I am a more casual (read "less than") gamer because I found the content in TR to be both expansive and engaging, right?
No being casual does not make you less of a gamer, too many people see that word as an insult when it is not. Casual gamers are the reason many MMOs are still making money. I said casual because TR to me did not have 10 months of content and I was playing around the same 20 or so hours a week when I played. To me the replayability was poor except for CP combat. Had fighting and CPs been better at leveling than quests it would have been more fun. To me too many of the quests had nothing to do with the war that was supposed to be fought. My biggest issues with TR all stem from that same root cause, they tended to get away from the war too much.
Even free this game is just not worth the time and trouble to download.
Let me amend that, download this if you are 8-11 years of age (but cannot play fps games), bored out of your mind and have exhausted every possible avenue of entertainment...
Downloading Tabula Rasa is like picking up a turd and bringing it inside the house:
It stinks and you wish you hadn't done it.
In 35 years I have yet to meet a "normal" and "balanced" person, so I don't know what you could possibly mean by that.
Rok, why are you crapping on someone for liking the game? I played to 50 and know plenty about it. I liked it a lot, so what's the problem?
I didn't like WAR, but you won't find me crapping on their forums. Some people like WAR and that's great for them. Some people like Hello Kitty Online too, but I don't see Rok crapping on their forums. What makes TR so special that you feel the need to complain about it incensantly?
I never played WAR or Hello Kitty, why would I crap on games I never played? That would be really stupid.
He called people who flame TR losers, I felt like explaining to him why that was a less than intelligent thing to say on the first day you play a game. If we all decided how great a game was on the first day I think TR would have a million players since the beginning is TRs best moments.
If you do not want to read what I have to say about TR, then ignore me, this is not TR fanboy site, this site allows honest opinions about a game. If you want the lovefest you think TR deserves go back to PTR and sit with the rest of the people who think TR shut down with 100k subs and the ones who think it makes a profit and whatever other daydreams they enjoy there. This is reality, or a lot closer to it than PTR was ever willing to allow.
Well said.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
TR is no Planetside. Thank god it ain't, because I don't have the reflexes anymore to play a twitch shooter. But it feels like one. It gives you the nice immersion qualities of a FPS without the need to aim.
Yes, I like that. Yes, I know that it's skill-less and that I can't play competitively in FPS games. So what? I like it that way.
TR has a nice story. I like the dark sci-fi world, Earth being overrun by aliens and us being refugees on some godforsaken planet somewhere around the corner of nowhere. Yes, I like that feel.
TR lacks in the endgame department. And, honestly, it still does. Which isn't so terribly important to those that plan to play for the two months left, you won't really miss it. The difference to most MMOs out there is that leveling is actually fun. The game doesn't start at maxlevel as it is in far too many games today, where you have to chew and gnaw and grind through the levels and just want toget them past you so you can finally start playing. Why the heck would I want to do what I hate to do so I'm finally "allowed" to do what I want to do, in an effing GAME? Leveling in TR is fun. So time spent playing TR won't be "wasted" since "you won't see the big boys playground before it closes". There is no such thing to speak of. But you're in for a fun ride because the fun doesn't start at top levels, it's fun from the start. YMMV, of course, but I know I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed the quests, I honestly did. Most of them were a refreshing difference to the ordinary "slay X, get X of Y" quests that you do in most other games these days. Some actually drove the story. Others are just funny. Yet others present you with a moral decision (and you can actually decide whether you want to finish the quest one way or the other).
Yes, I enjoy this game. If you don't, well, play something else. I'm not here to be a missionary. I'd like to encourage everyone who hasn't tried it to give it a try, as you may have seen by now, there are generally two kinds of people, those that loved it and those that hated it. So far, I haven't seen a single one going "meh" over it and shrug it away.
I played the game when it first came out and did not like it at all , very laggy, confusing, poor tutorial, no crafting to speak of, etc. I started again the other day and i see major improvements , it is alot less confusing, less lag, and just more fun, I am a casual player so I am not worried about the end game, to bad it is closiing because I would continue to play!
Only lag I had at the start was Mires and that was bad for everyone. The tutorial seemed fine, I learned the game from it and found it not to be confusing at all. I found TR to be very user friendly and not hard to understand or play even for a beginner. I still think it being so easy and simple was one of its biggest downsides.
Even casual players need to worry about end game, because one day you will get there too. TR was so short and easy to level that even casual players were looking for end game after a few months. The people who stayed were generally people who liked making new characters and liked the game enough to do that, people like me who found the game to be lacking generally got a character or two to high level and then left. Tr needed to do more to keep the interest of the people who bought the game and quit, since that number was much higher than those who stayed.
I agree - even playing extremely casually - I had fun for 9 months, reached max level then left. There was nothing to keep me in the game once I hit max level.
Sure I could have gone back to a different class and done it all again - but for me - where I alt a lot on other games I found no replayability there wasn't enough differentiation in class/skill to make the game play significantly different for another class and there wasn't different race/content that other games have.
They did away with a lot of the time wasting /grind that other games have which is great, but since they didnt double the content everyone ran through it fast and left.
I agree - even playing extremely casually - I had fun for 9 months, reached max level then left. There was nothing to keep me in the game once I hit max level.
Sure I could have gone back to a different class and done it all again - but for me - where I alt a lot on other games I found no replayability there wasn't enough differentiation in class/skill to make the game play significantly different for another class and there wasn't different race/content that other games have.
They did away with a lot of the time wasting /grind that other games have which is great, but since they didnt double the content everyone ran through it fast and left.
Yeah I was not happy with the over all skill choices to make a class different from others in the same class. The choices you made as a spy were basicly the same for any spy and if you tried different ones the game really did not change so much that it was worth repeating. Had their been enough skills and choices to make that sometimes you had to pick between two great skills and both would make your character much different it would have been more fun and then worth doing again.
Not sure if you played or know of DDO, but there is a game where classes really can be different. The ability to multiclass(TR was way to rigid) or pick between so many skills, feats and enhancements meaks that DDO has entire sites dedicated to builds and what you can do with them. TR because it was so limited never generated that kind of excitement or loyalty. DDO is a niche game with a small population as well, but making alts in DDO can be more fun because you have so much class diversity.
DDO I know of and I used to play P&P d&D back in the day - but I refuse to pay for DDO when I can play Neverwinternights for free.
I think NWN was the killer for DDO.
I liked Guild Wars class/skill setup - primary/secondary class and you pick the skill set of 8 skills you want to take out on each adventure.