Just think of all those people that have lived throughout history, and none of them have had the opportunity to witness the end of the world. This will really be something special that we will live through. You can tell your grandchildren all about it.
so what exactly does the end of the world mean in this sense. is it just going to explode and thats it or is something else going to happen. in biblical terms, Jesus reigns on earth for 1000 years before the end of the world. Also, i dont think any of nostrodamus' predictions have come true. i could be wrong on that one. whos to say this clown didnt read that about the mayans and throw that in the mix as well.
notrodamos predicted Hitler, The Twin Towers, the demise of a king, the iraq war, and many other things yes they could just be luck, i dont think anything of your fairytale will come to pass though. no offense religous ppl
I think whether or not something's actually going to happen is beside the point. Think about it. If this many people believe that something is going to happen on a specific date that can be powerful enough to cause some kind of effect.
Just musing for a minute though... The theory I like the most is this supposed partial planetary alignment in December. The 7 planets, to some, are a macrocosm of the 7 human chakras that when aligned and receiving light cause the kundalini awakening which brings enlightment. The change can bring uncomfortable symptoms though and may even damage the person not ready for it. It's like an immediate detox on all levels. So I can see why some people focus on the more positive prospect of world enlightment. But that doesn't mean there won't be catastrophies during the shift and elements on earth that resist change making it hard.
For all your information, the Mayans didn't predict that the world would end in 2012. Just some of it - whatever that means. This end, that the Mayans predict, will also mark a new beginning.
But if there was a poll on what might be the biggest disaster of the end of 2012, I would be happy to vote.
lol at global warming yes its a problem, but its nothing we have to panic about, oh no the ice caps are melting the earth will be covered with water in 100 years what should we do?
You're dumb. It means whole countries will flood and diseases will break out.
Ignorant post of the millenium award is awarded to you. /clap
Actually the only thing melting is a very small outside edge of the ice. Which is normal....there is no global warming and it is nothing but a way to spend more of the people's tax dollars that will end up in politicians pockets. Al Gore was a kook in office and is more of one now when he goes around sprouting all this BS information just to further any political clout he thinks he has. Funny how the guy wastes more energy than anyone else but tells others how to live.
Forgive the long post, lots of stuff ties into this notion.
The "Mayan Calendar" is in fact extraordinary accurate, more accurate in fact than the one we are familiar with (The Gregorian being the "de facto" standard, though there are many others in use for mostly, but not excusively, religious reasons).
The biggest reasons that the Maya needed such an accurate calendar was that their agriculture was extremely tenuous & difficult to maintain, due to climate & terrain, & so their highly developed calandar helped to ensure the survival of their civilisation, they established that the earth "wobbled" on it's axis approximately every 26,000 years, that it's orbit around the sun was ecliptical, & they were able to predict sunspot activity with remarkable accuracy due to extensive observation & recording, they were fastidious record-keepers & they had some evidence to suggest they had an intimate knowledge of both the Earth & the Sun & Moon's magnetic fields, & evidence suggests they had established that the sun had 6 magnetic "poles" or 3 magnetic axis, the North & South that we have on Earth & 4 at it's equator.
The Mayans revered a Mythical figure known as Quetzalcoatl or "The Winged Serpent", who was a bearded caucasian/european looking man who taught the ancient Maya about geometry, astrology, mathematics & medicine, recently there has been genetic evidence to show that may well have been the case & that the earliest humans to find & occupy the Americas may well have been of white-skinned european decent & pre-dated the later migrations of what became the ancestors of the Native American Indian & South American peoples (notably the Aztecs who adopted the Quetzalcoatl myth, among many other cultural references from the Maya were easily defeated when Cortez' Conquistadors arrived & capitalised on it, convincing the Aztecs he was Quetzalcoatl returning to them).
The Maya believed there had been 4 prior "ages of Mankind" & that they (& us) were living in the 5th age, & though they did not precict the end of the world on December 21st 2012 there are some academics that suggest the reason there was no formal calendar for after that date was because of a galactic-alignment event which would mean their current calendar system may not be accurate as a result of whatever changes this alignment may cause, though they also say the real reason may simply be a mundane "they didn't need it yet" & only plotted a certain number of years into the future.
Nostradamus has quite a following, he wrote "quatrains" which were convoluted 4 line poem-like verses that could be interpreted in so many ways that they could bear relevance to a multitude of events, whether they occured or not, indeed there are a lot of Quatrains that bear no relevance to any event known about, so everything he wrote is open to interpretation, & it's usually the case with such things that people fit an interpretation to mtch an event, rather than how it should be done in any kind of scientific sense, these quatrains are to all intents and purposes just the ramblings of a madman, though without a doubt even a rambling madman is not always wrong.
Nostradamus wasn't totally mad though, he was quite a forward-thinker in many ways & was one of the earliest critics of the use of leeches & sponsors of seperating patients of disease from each other to stem the spread of infection, & before his fame as a prophet became highly criticised in medical & scientific circles for his unconventional views, though he was later to be proven correct on many of his views.
Edgar Cayce is another much-lauded "prophet" & he too spouted guff much like Nostradamus did & while he did seem to be incredibly accurate, it again comes down to interpretations of what he spoke of during his trances, rather than explicit descriptions of clear events with instantly recognisable details, & again, a huge amount of his ramblings have no relevance to any known events.
There's a school of thought that suggests there is a "dark planet" Nbiru that is due to either collide or pass so close to the Earth as to cause catastrophe, but this may well have come about as a result of mis-translation of Sumerian texts.
"Armageddon" Is regarded by some scholars of ancient Hebrew to have been a mis-translation & instead of being interpreted as the end of the world, should be translated more like "end of the world as we know it" essentially a great change, though whether that change is good or bad is open to debate,
The thing is that there are a great many catastrophes that have happened in Earth's history, at a primal level there is a fear that all we know may be obliterated by some unimaginable force of destruction & with very good reason.
From Earth-based geological natural disasters such as Massive Earthquakes, Volcanoes, "Super-Volcanoes" & their associated "volcanic winters" "Tsunamis", meteorlogical disasters such as climate shifts, ice ages, droughts, global-warming, to the cosmological ones such as sun-spots, solar-flares, magnetic storms, magellan-belt related gamma radiation peaks, asteroids, comets, etc etc there really is a lot of stuff that can go badly wrong even before you get into purely hypothetical stuff such as Magnetic pole shifts & solar & galaxy alignment (though there is "some" evidence that may suggest a past alignment caused a global catastrophe it's not a clear cut case, there may be other explanations we haven't arrived at yet.
So essentially it has become "fashionable" to have these doomsday myths because it enables humans to put a label on their base fears, it's a psychology common to all humans, & but one of the multitude reasons religions continue to hold sway, myths be they creation or destruction or salvation help calm our inner fears by giving them a story & giving them form, which is less scary than the pure & total unknown.
Though, the real important thing is, we are here because of those past catastrophes, they were necessary for humans to have come to exist, & one day one such catastrophe might spell the end of our existence & pave the way for new creatures, we are in existence by a long string of lucky breaks over the last 4 billion years of plant Earth's life, & yet we may turn out to be the destroyer of ourselves, the world itself will survive our mistakes, we may not be so lucky.
PS. about 60 quatrains (Centurie VII) of 16th century Nostradamus were purged and suppressed by the rcc. He used 4 verse quatrains and 6 verse sixains collected from several letters; they were not sequential by chronological date. Most of the almanac like Prognostications were all fulfilled 440 yrs ago. ref1
edit in the fabricated nt (new testament), the eschatological Revelation (Apocalypse of John) indicates over 80% of mankind will be exterminated at 'end times.' That is more than 4 BILLION exterminated in about seven years (great tribulation) preceded by a rapture and followed by a resurrection of the dead (that would be what, about 106 BILLION resurrected from the last 500 to 700K years on earth? you think it is crowded now with only 6B!). About 6% of all humans EVER born are alive today in 2009. Except, most ALL population and history evaluations ignore the lack of evidence before the most recent ice age 18K yrs ago. Much of recorded history just starts about 5K yrs ago. (5769 yrs ago according to the jews) PSS The 1918 Spanish Flu (Influenza H1N1) was only about 3% lethal; plagues Bubonic was about 30%, Pneumonic 90% and Septicemic 100% lethal; small pox (variola vox) was 30% in contrast TB (the leading cause of death globally from infectious disease) is 12% (excluding the drug resistant MDR and XDR-TB at 64%) and Ebola 90% lethal.
The world won't end. Only the virus that is killing it. It's called an immune system. We trigger it.. It kills us.. Yay Earth!
Oddly enough I was going to go into detail but the above post says what I was going to say in perfect plain English.
Nicely put. Allow me to tag some numbers onto this train of thought
World Population Estimate: 6,752,037,320 at 14:49 GMT (EST+5) Jan 06, 2009 Link
This number increases at 2.5 per second as per the BOD (birth over death) rate Link
Biodiversity loss is said to be around 27000 per year or 1 every 20 minutes LinkLink2
So every 20 minutes humans increase by 3000 and other species decrese by 1
What are humans doing to help sort this out? NOTHING
We try to cure diseases which will increase the number of humans. Disease is a natural population control measure.
We treat infertility to increase the number of humans. Infertility exists across all small percentage of all species and is a natural population control measure.
THE NUMBER OF HUMANS IS THE PROBLEM AND WE SPEND A FORTUNE AND USE MILLIONS OF MAN HOURS TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORSE.
Nature will slap us for this stupidity sooner or later and we deserve it big time.
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The world won't end. Only the virus that is killing it. It's called an immune system. We trigger it.. It kills us.. Yay Earth!
Oddly enough I was going to go into detail but the above post says what I was going to say in perfect plain English.
Nicely put. Allow me to tag some numbers onto this train of thought
World Population Estimate: 6,752,037,320 at 14:49 GMT (EST+5) Jan 06, 2009 Link
This number increases at 2.5 per second as per the BOD (birth over death) rate Link
Biodiversity loss is said to be around 27000 per year or 1 every 20 minutes LinkLink2
So every 20 minutes humans increase by 3000 and other species decrese by 1
What are humans doing to help sort this out? NOTHING
We try to cure diseases which will increase the number of humans. Disease is a natural population control measure.
We treat infertility to increase the number of humans. Infertility exists across all small percentage of all species and is a natural population control measure.
THE NUMBER OF HUMANS IS THE PROBLEM AND WE SPEND A FORTUNE AND USE MILLIONS OF MAN HOURS TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORSE.
Nature will slap us for this stupidity sooner or later and we deserve it big time.
I'm just glad the housing market will start to do good again. I hear that's the first sign of the economy getting back on track - a boost in the housing sales... my dad's a homebuilder (management).
My only idea for a coming catastrophe is a giant hurricane/flood/earthquake, maybe an assasination... I don't think war will escalate to WWIII (world war 3) by the end of 2012 though. I think that any "Hitlers" left in the world wouldn't last as long, or conquer as much territory in bloodshed, as the original Hitler.
C'mon H5N1 hurry up and mutate so you can attach to the nasel lining and throat of homo sapians rather than the deep lung tissue.
Mind you, spanish flu apparantly killed only 50 million. The human population grows by 50 million in less than 8 months so this would have very little if any effect on the environment. We would need it to kill about 4.2 Billion to make a sufficient difference.
That would drop us to 2.5 billion which was the human population of 1950-1952 . 2.5 billion is also quoted as the sustainable level of humans i.e. the level where we can do little, if any, harm to the planet and biodiversity. Some say 3 billion is the correct mark.
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Ofc the world will end in 2012, havent you watched the X-files?! Thats when the alien invasion will happen.
ha i agree. i reallly reallly doubt the world will end.. ever.. energy cant be destroyed or made. booyah i pay attention in bio class
wouldn't that be physics...
Yes it will. Barack is the harbinger of doom!
I sure hope so.
Just think of all those people that have lived throughout history, and none of them have had the opportunity to witness the end of the world. This will really be something special that we will live through. You can tell your grandchildren all about it.
notrodamos predicted Hitler, The Twin Towers, the demise of a king, the iraq war, and many other things yes they could just be luck, i dont think anything of your fairytale will come to pass though. no offense religous ppl
I think whether or not something's actually going to happen is beside the point. Think about it. If this many people believe that something is going to happen on a specific date that can be powerful enough to cause some kind of effect.
Just musing for a minute though... The theory I like the most is this supposed partial planetary alignment in December. The 7 planets, to some, are a macrocosm of the 7 human chakras that when aligned and receiving light cause the kundalini awakening which brings enlightment. The change can bring uncomfortable symptoms though and may even damage the person not ready for it. It's like an immediate detox on all levels. So I can see why some people focus on the more positive prospect of world enlightment. But that doesn't mean there won't be catastrophies during the shift and elements on earth that resist change making it hard.
For all your information, the Mayans didn't predict that the world would end in 2012. Just some of it - whatever that means. This end, that the Mayans predict, will also mark a new beginning.
But if there was a poll on what might be the biggest disaster of the end of 2012, I would be happy to vote.
You're dumb. It means whole countries will flood and diseases will break out.
Ignorant post of the millenium award is awarded to you. /clap
Actually the only thing melting is a very small outside edge of the ice. Which is normal....there is no global warming and it is nothing but a way to spend more of the people's tax dollars that will end up in politicians pockets. Al Gore was a kook in office and is more of one now when he goes around sprouting all this BS information just to further any political clout he thinks he has. Funny how the guy wastes more energy than anyone else but tells others how to live.
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Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Will the world end on December 21st 2012?
Forgive the long post, lots of stuff ties into this notion.
The "Mayan Calendar" is in fact extraordinary accurate, more accurate in fact than the one we are familiar with (The Gregorian being the "de facto" standard, though there are many others in use for mostly, but not excusively, religious reasons).
The biggest reasons that the Maya needed such an accurate calendar was that their agriculture was extremely tenuous & difficult to maintain, due to climate & terrain, & so their highly developed calandar helped to ensure the survival of their civilisation, they established that the earth "wobbled" on it's axis approximately every 26,000 years, that it's orbit around the sun was ecliptical, & they were able to predict sunspot activity with remarkable accuracy due to extensive observation & recording, they were fastidious record-keepers & they had some evidence to suggest they had an intimate knowledge of both the Earth & the Sun & Moon's magnetic fields, & evidence suggests they had established that the sun had 6 magnetic "poles" or 3 magnetic axis, the North & South that we have on Earth & 4 at it's equator.
The Mayans revered a Mythical figure known as Quetzalcoatl or "The Winged Serpent", who was a bearded caucasian/european looking man who taught the ancient Maya about geometry, astrology, mathematics & medicine, recently there has been genetic evidence to show that may well have been the case & that the earliest humans to find & occupy the Americas may well have been of white-skinned european decent & pre-dated the later migrations of what became the ancestors of the Native American Indian & South American peoples (notably the Aztecs who adopted the Quetzalcoatl myth, among many other cultural references from the Maya were easily defeated when Cortez' Conquistadors arrived & capitalised on it, convincing the Aztecs he was Quetzalcoatl returning to them).
The Maya believed there had been 4 prior "ages of Mankind" & that they (& us) were living in the 5th age, & though they did not precict the end of the world on December 21st 2012 there are some academics that suggest the reason there was no formal calendar for after that date was because of a galactic-alignment event which would mean their current calendar system may not be accurate as a result of whatever changes this alignment may cause, though they also say the real reason may simply be a mundane "they didn't need it yet" & only plotted a certain number of years into the future.
Nostradamus has quite a following, he wrote "quatrains" which were convoluted 4 line poem-like verses that could be interpreted in so many ways that they could bear relevance to a multitude of events, whether they occured or not, indeed there are a lot of Quatrains that bear no relevance to any event known about, so everything he wrote is open to interpretation, & it's usually the case with such things that people fit an interpretation to mtch an event, rather than how it should be done in any kind of scientific sense, these quatrains are to all intents and purposes just the ramblings of a madman, though without a doubt even a rambling madman is not always wrong.
Nostradamus wasn't totally mad though, he was quite a forward-thinker in many ways & was one of the earliest critics of the use of leeches & sponsors of seperating patients of disease from each other to stem the spread of infection, & before his fame as a prophet became highly criticised in medical & scientific circles for his unconventional views, though he was later to be proven correct on many of his views.
Edgar Cayce is another much-lauded "prophet" & he too spouted guff much like Nostradamus did & while he did seem to be incredibly accurate, it again comes down to interpretations of what he spoke of during his trances, rather than explicit descriptions of clear events with instantly recognisable details, & again, a huge amount of his ramblings have no relevance to any known events.
There's a school of thought that suggests there is a "dark planet" Nbiru that is due to either collide or pass so close to the Earth as to cause catastrophe, but this may well have come about as a result of mis-translation of Sumerian texts.
"Armageddon" Is regarded by some scholars of ancient Hebrew to have been a mis-translation & instead of being interpreted as the end of the world, should be translated more like "end of the world as we know it" essentially a great change, though whether that change is good or bad is open to debate,
The thing is that there are a great many catastrophes that have happened in Earth's history, at a primal level there is a fear that all we know may be obliterated by some unimaginable force of destruction & with very good reason.
From Earth-based geological natural disasters such as Massive Earthquakes, Volcanoes, "Super-Volcanoes" & their associated "volcanic winters" "Tsunamis", meteorlogical disasters such as climate shifts, ice ages, droughts, global-warming, to the cosmological ones such as sun-spots, solar-flares, magnetic storms, magellan-belt related gamma radiation peaks, asteroids, comets, etc etc there really is a lot of stuff that can go badly wrong even before you get into purely hypothetical stuff such as Magnetic pole shifts & solar & galaxy alignment (though there is "some" evidence that may suggest a past alignment caused a global catastrophe it's not a clear cut case, there may be other explanations we haven't arrived at yet.
So essentially it has become "fashionable" to have these doomsday myths because it enables humans to put a label on their base fears, it's a psychology common to all humans, & but one of the multitude reasons religions continue to hold sway, myths be they creation or destruction or salvation help calm our inner fears by giving them a story & giving them form, which is less scary than the pure & total unknown.
Though, the real important thing is, we are here because of those past catastrophes, they were necessary for humans to have come to exist, & one day one such catastrophe might spell the end of our existence & pave the way for new creatures, we are in existence by a long string of lucky breaks over the last 4 billion years of plant Earth's life, & yet we may turn out to be the destroyer of ourselves, the world itself will survive our mistakes, we may not be so lucky.
link
world vegetation map at end of last ice age (about 18K yrs ago)
mankind went from stone into bronze age 5K yrs ago, homo sapiens goes back about 230K yrs;
current world vegetation map 2009
map details
PS. about 60 quatrains (Centurie VII) of 16th century Nostradamus were purged and suppressed by the rcc. He used 4 verse quatrains and 6 verse sixains collected from several letters; they were not sequential by chronological date.
Most of the almanac like Prognostications were all fulfilled 440 yrs ago.
ref1
edit
in the fabricated nt (new testament), the eschatological Revelation (Apocalypse of John) indicates over 80% of mankind will be exterminated at 'end times.' That is more than 4 BILLION exterminated in about seven years (great tribulation) preceded by a rapture and followed by a resurrection of the dead
(that would be what, about 106 BILLION resurrected from the last 500 to 700K years on earth? you think it is crowded now with only 6B!). About 6% of all humans EVER born are alive today in 2009.
Except, most ALL population and history evaluations ignore the lack of evidence before the most recent ice age 18K yrs ago. Much of recorded history just starts about 5K yrs ago. (5769 yrs ago according to the jews)
PSS
The 1918 Spanish Flu (Influenza H1N1) was only about 3% lethal;
plagues Bubonic was about 30%, Pneumonic 90% and Septicemic 100% lethal;
small pox (variola vox) was 30% in contrast TB (the leading cause of death globally from infectious disease) is 12% (excluding the drug resistant MDR and XDR-TB at 64%) and Ebola 90% lethal.
Oddly enough I was going to go into detail but the above post says what I was going to say in perfect plain English.
Nicely put. Allow me to tag some numbers onto this train of thought
World Population Estimate: 6,752,037,320 at 14:49 GMT (EST+5) Jan 06, 2009 Link
This number increases at 2.5 per second as per the BOD (birth over death) rate Link
Biodiversity loss is said to be around 27000 per year or 1 every 20 minutes Link Link2
So every 20 minutes humans increase by 3000 and other species decrese by 1
What are humans doing to help sort this out? NOTHING
We try to cure diseases which will increase the number of humans. Disease is a natural population control measure.
We treat infertility to increase the number of humans. Infertility exists across all small percentage of all species and is a natural population control measure.
THE NUMBER OF HUMANS IS THE PROBLEM AND WE SPEND A FORTUNE AND USE MILLIONS OF MAN HOURS TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORSE.
Nature will slap us for this stupidity sooner or later and we deserve it big time.
I used to visit this site a lot however in recent years it has become the home of negative forum posts, illogical opinions and tantrums so I visit less often.
Played or Beta'd: UO / DAOC / Horizons / EQ2 / DDO / EVE / Archlord / PirateKingsOnline / Tabula Rasa / LOTRO / AOC / Champions / Darkfall / Mortal Online / DCUO / Rift / STO / SWTOR / TSW
Oddly enough I was going to go into detail but the above post says what I was going to say in perfect plain English.
Nicely put. Allow me to tag some numbers onto this train of thought
World Population Estimate: 6,752,037,320 at 14:49 GMT (EST+5) Jan 06, 2009 Link
This number increases at 2.5 per second as per the BOD (birth over death) rate Link
Biodiversity loss is said to be around 27000 per year or 1 every 20 minutes Link Link2
So every 20 minutes humans increase by 3000 and other species decrese by 1
What are humans doing to help sort this out? NOTHING
We try to cure diseases which will increase the number of humans. Disease is a natural population control measure.
We treat infertility to increase the number of humans. Infertility exists across all small percentage of all species and is a natural population control measure.
THE NUMBER OF HUMANS IS THE PROBLEM AND WE SPEND A FORTUNE AND USE MILLIONS OF MAN HOURS TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORSE.
Nature will slap us for this stupidity sooner or later and we deserve it big time.
I'm just glad the housing market will start to do good again. I hear that's the first sign of the economy getting back on track - a boost in the housing sales... my dad's a homebuilder (management).
My only idea for a coming catastrophe is a giant hurricane/flood/earthquake, maybe an assasination... I don't think war will escalate to WWIII (world war 3) by the end of 2012 though. I think that any "Hitlers" left in the world wouldn't last as long, or conquer as much territory in bloodshed, as the original Hitler.
I think a good dose of flu is in order.
C'mon H5N1 hurry up and mutate so you can attach to the nasel lining and throat of homo sapians rather than the deep lung tissue.
Mind you, spanish flu apparantly killed only 50 million. The human population grows by 50 million in less than 8 months so this would have very little if any effect on the environment. We would need it to kill about 4.2 Billion to make a sufficient difference.
That would drop us to 2.5 billion which was the human population of 1950-1952 . 2.5 billion is also quoted as the sustainable level of humans i.e. the level where we can do little, if any, harm to the planet and biodiversity. Some say 3 billion is the correct mark.
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Link 2 VHEMT (I am a member)
Link 3 Pentti Linkola (I am a fan)
Link 4 Optimum Population Trust (member)
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