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I predict a rapid growth to 12 million players for Wow in the beginning of 2009
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sooo ur saying u predict a increase of .5 million for WoW... considering it has only been out for like 4~5 years and has 11.5 million. DUUUHHHHHHHHHH lololol sorry too funny
Simple: you guys (i.e. you, your friends, your guild, those other 50 people you know who quit) don't matter in the big picture. Hard to accept, but that's how it is. ;-)
12 million owe boy
The meaning: More crashing servers, Longer login time, More down time, More crying nubs to deal with. I don't know about you but I am ready for a new game. The larger this game gets the more problems we all have to deal with, This game is turning into nothing more than a corp cash wheel. This game use to be a gamers game, Now its the car that every kid must have to drive to look cool. Is this game great Yes one of the best its just sad that its getting as large as it is, I'm looking for something new that I can play that I dont have to worry about all the drama..
Here is an interesting article on a prediction from "specialists" for Wow 2009.
So between12.500.000 and 13.000.000 in 2009.
Happy I found some good support for my theory
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For the pessimists, I would say, ---- do NOT underestimate the influence of the now famous patch cycles.
Each time the new "season" and 'dungeon" starts, it is practically a new expansion boom without the negative effect of class adjustments and dps output.
Here is the article:
http://www.worldiv.com/blog/?p=225
Beautiful graph
All you guys do is toss numbers around, we already know that WoW has a crap ton of sheep playing the game, im fine with it.
Now bodypass if I remember correctly a few posts ago you said you only exclusively pvp in WoW? Basically just arena right? so why are you such a die hard supporter of the game if you don't really play World of warcraft? everyone knows wow pvp is just a basic addon and the only real players that blizzard cares about are the raiders (proven by the massive amount of content dungeon runners and 10-25 man players get to do). while you my friend get to play in 4-5 maps all day.
Is this why you post so much on the forums? seriously I for once would like your opinion on why you actually play WoW when players like you are considered lesser mortals to all raiders (the real playerbase).
I dont mean to be mean I was just wondering this while reading all ur crazy fanboi psycho babble you post on these forums.
Edit: Hell blizzard devs even took shots at arena players starting the welfare epic phrase. with that alone I would be pissed I dont know how anyone could be a raging fanboi when the devs release a statement like that. man, they actually said the raiders are the real players of WoW, just check some panel videos on raiding for proof.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
All you guys do is toss numbers around, we already know that WoW has a crap ton of sheep playing the game, im fine with it.
Now bodypass if I remember correctly a few posts ago you said you only exclusively pvp in WoW? Basically just arena right? so why are you such a die hard supporter of the game if you don't really play World of warcraft? everyone knows wow pvp is just a basic addon and the only real players that blizzard cares about are the raiders (proven by the massive amount of content dungeon runners and 10-25 man players get to do). while you my friend get to play in 4-5 maps all day.
Is this why you post so much on the forums? seriously I for once would like your opinion on why you actually play WoW when players like you are considered lesser mortals to all raiders (the real playerbase).
I dont mean to be mean I was just wondering this while reading all ur crazy fanboi psycho babble you post on these forums.
If the numbers are accurate and provable, is that such a BAD thing? I never knew fact based data could be so troublesome. I guess it WOULD be more fun to throw around numbers with no basis and make wild claims... makes for much for funner threads and flaming! Woot! Nah, there's too much of that going on in Warhammer forums right now.
The part about someone being a supporter of a game they don't really play? What's weird about that? Does someone have to be an engineer to study, collect and talk about trains? Trainspotting, hello?
Is someone who is afraid to fly in an airplane and never will automatically excluded from ever discussing at length the history of aviation and the best planes ever made if they know what they are talking about?
Should people with no arms or legs be barred from any discussion on Vintage racing and muscle cars simply because they can't drive or ridiculed for a misguided interest in them based on their non-driving?
Because someone has an active interest in something doesn't mean they have to experience every thing about that interest to the fullest, friend. Hence, you CAN have an interest in a game and its discussion and NOT actually play it. Kinda weird I know, but millions do it everyday.
That's like saying someone playing EVE should be on NASA forums chatting in they are SOOOO interested in a game about deep space.
"TO MICHAEL!"
See, statements like this are why your dreaded "numbers" need to be included. You are so far off base with this, numbers would actually have helped you with this one if you found some before posting this.
The 'real' playerbase of Wow are raiders? I think someone needs a Garmin for directions.
"TO MICHAEL!"
See, statements like this are why your dreaded "numbers" need to be included. You are so far off base with this, numbers would actually have helped you with this one if you found some before posting this.
The 'real' playerbase of Wow are raiders? I think someone needs a Garmin for directions.
Everyone knows WoW is a Pve game first, please go find the blizzard raid panel videos on youtube were the devs slam anyone wanting Welfare epics. If you don't think raiders are what matter to blizzard you havent been playing WoW long.
The raiders are the players that will keep playing this game long after blizzard releases thier next mmo. just like in Eq the only players that are left are the extremely hardcore noone else has remained.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
See, statements like this are why your dreaded "numbers" need to be included. You are so far off base with this, numbers would actually have helped you with this one if you found some before posting this.
The 'real' playerbase of Wow are raiders? I think someone needs a Garmin for directions.
Everyone knows WoW is a Pve game first, please go find the blizzard raid panel videos on youtube were the devs slam anyone wanting Welfare epics. If you don't think raiders are what matter to blizzard you havent been playing WoW long.
What you are saying, is weird that's all.
If the majority of Wow base are raiders, yet raiders are "tired" of the "boring endgame" content and leaving Wow for other games as you say... then WHO the hell are all those people still playing the game?
Poltergeists?? I know; they are alts that have developed A.I. somehow and now play Wow themselves without a subscription needed. That one makes more sense than your suggestion.
I also think its weird when you say bodypass spends all day posting on forums when you have over 100 more posts than he does.
Doh! Sorry... I'm throwing around boring, dreaded numbers again.
"TO MICHAEL!"
You sir, should write a book. I could see this just that way.
Another thing they did was with economy. Goldsellers were dominating the areas early on. The only people who could afford anything were high end guilds who could sell off their winnings (had the best gear anyways), serious crafters and farmers, or people who bought gold. The average person logging into Wow for a few hours a night would have to farm for at least one of those in order to buy stuff off the AH. So how could Blizzard allow the average gamer to keep up with AH inflation? Those dailies again.
The average gamer could now log on and do up to 25 dailies a day, with many giving almost 10G to finish each. And since it wasn't just farming nodes or skins (zzzz), they were actually fighting stuff and experiencing content in a combat way. Just doing a few of them a day would net you enough that in a few days, you could buy most of what you wanted on the AH. Again, adjusting the game to the mass base, not the raiders. Cut out the need to buy any gold or mass raid.
I saw a vid on Youtube of a 70yr old guy. He had 6/7 Level70characters and was asked how he kept them all geared. He said simply, I have them all do dailies and it takes me less than a few hours.
"TO MICHAEL!"
You delicate flowers just keep thinking pvp is a small group of people all the way till your Carebear ways destroy wow just like you did over at UO, worthless spineless scumbag punks.
You guys just need Smurf and Carebear land just you some KY jelly and Gargamel. Then you'll get your wish you can kill the same mob all day, have Zero risk, collect smurf berries and Win a really big prize in the end.
WoW's got another 4-7 years on it, but guess what. Soon after WoW dies WoW2 or world of diablo or some other Bliz MMO will be out to take its place.
wow will be replaced way before wow2 is out nugget.
All the original talent at wow is gone, anything new they release is a pale shadow of their former selves, you want new Blizz games your better off going to NCsoft, they have more original Blizz devs than Blizz.
Lol, no reason for the quote other than to laugh at it.
Templarga, good synopsis and I was one of those who welcomed the transition away from 40 man raids. As I've said many times previously, the casual pace of WoW is one of the main reaons I still play.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Cause we all know once the original person who creates anything leave or dies, things just grind to a halt cause they are irreplaceable.
I wish Henry Ford and the Wright Brothers were still around. Cars and airplanes suck SO much more now that they are gone than they did in their day.
Thanks genius. Well, look at the bright side.. if you keep posting here, eventually you'll get to 25.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Hahaha, half the world is salivating on Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 + the mystery Next gen MMO Blizz is working on.
Let me guess... You must have left Wow in mid 2007? Correct? Or perhaps even a lttile bit earlier.
It's a pity Blizzard doesn't publish stats on who plays how in Wow. I think a lot of you guys would be surprised how many play Wow for its PvP. 50 open BG of just one type were no exception before the WotLK launch and even now you see dozens of BG's open (after the leveling out process).
These days you can play Wow the way you like. It is no longer the sole raiding game it used to be.
But I was surprised today, because I visited some RL friends of my warhammer TT club.
Why ? Of the 5 guys I met, only one was 80, the rest were standing at level 76,/75. They all bought the expansion in November. The real surprise was that 2 of the MOST casual Wow players in that club already did ... 4 different dungeons ! (they played the game for 3.5 years and had never done the dungeons before).
One of them told me they did now (at level 75) Raids to Kara. Greatest fun we ever had - he said.
Suddenly it stroke me ! These guys play the game for almost 4 years straight now and only begin NOW with dungeon crawling. Oh and these are the guys who pay a yearly subscription. Not the nerds - like we - on mmorpg.com.
Makes you think... Blizzard has the stats....
I never said raiders were leaving WoW, I simply asked a known supporter of WoW on this site a question.
Anyway you guys are going in a total different direction in no way does non raider = casual.
Neither does pvp = casual. What blizzard has done is try to bring the casual players into the raiding scene cause that is blizzards focus for the game.
Still after all this time even with a reduced raid size its all about Raiders/pve players first then the players that like the pvp addon.
Blizzard noticed only a few percent were deep into raiding during vanilla wow so they changed things up a bit to cater to more people but in no way does that take away from my "raiders are the tru playerbase" comment.
actually it reinforces it since blizzard isnt totally taking away the raid game but actually making it easier for casual players to experience blizzards crazy amount of pve content and raids.
Yet all they do for the pvpers is give you one more BG and create some newb Esport add an arena map and you guys think pvpers are actually playing WoW? comeon guys.
All wow is doing is giving the pvp player just enough so they stay subbed they know that you guys only want new gear so they keep adding seasons without giving any type of content to you.
Those guys are taking pvpers money and creating raid content for the pvers (the real playbase) and yet pvpers like bodypass continue to support them.
this is why I asked him that question.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
Alot of people question just how many subs Blizzard has....The 4.5 number for NA/EU has been holding pretty steady for quite awhile now but the number for Asia seems to be the one that goes up all the time......If it makes you guys feel good to say the game has 11 or 12 million thats fine but the Asian countries really shouldnt count if they dont pay the 15 dollar monthly like everyone else......
I couldn't disagree more.
I know some very very good PvP players in RL. They swear with the PvP mechanics of Wow.
Why? it is the ONLY fantasy MMORPG where you actually DO control your characters fully. The competition never overcame the clunky unresponsive controls already first generations of MMORPH had.
Wow is also the ONLY MMORPG with a rated PvP ranking based on a competitive ladder system.
Arena gives the data to constantly fine tune further the classes. All other games lack these tools.
How in god's name can you fine tune interaction in PVP if you don't have the combat data results given by millions of Arena plays.
So both in control - depth of classes - data analysis and of course very different BG's settings, makes Wow a heaven for the real PvP competition player.
And that's what video games are ALL about. Individual control - to the fullest - of your character.
That about sums it up why a lot of people play PvP in Wow.
... and you don't loose hours for raiding either. Have 30 minutes ... Hop in, do a BG or world PvP when it's up and have fun...
Fun.
Let me guess... You must have left Wow in mid 2007? Correct? Or perhaps even a lttile bit earlier.
It's a pity Blizzard doesn't publish stats on who plays how in Wow. I think a lot of you guys would be surprised how many play Wow for its PvP. 50 open BG of just one type were no exception before the WotLK launch and even now you see dozens of BG's open (after the leveling out process).
These days you can play Wow the way you like. It is no longer the sole raiding game it used to be.
But I was surprised today, because I visited some RL friends of my warhammer TT club.
Why ? Of the 5 guys I met, only one was 80, the rest were standing at level 76,/75. They all bought the expansion in November. The real surprise was that 2 of the MOST casual Wow players in that club already did ... 4 different dungeons ! (they played the game for 3.5 years and had never done the dungeons before).
One of them told me they did now (at level 75) Raids to Kara. Greatest fun we ever had - he said.
Suddenly it stroke me ! These guys play the game for almost 4 years straight now and only begin NOW with dungeon crawling. Oh and these are the guys who pay a yearly subscription. Not the nerds - like we - on mmorpg.com.
Makes you think... Blizzard has the stats....
Of course I've played Wotlk, I even wrote a good review on it with only one or two negatives that kept me from subbing full time but I still recommended the game to people. I may talk shit when flaming WoW fanbois get on my nerves but If i discount the wow community wow alone is actually a good game.
When I played I was a raider Im not stupid, im not going to start up wow thinking its going to be a pvp game. thats like playing Eve and waiting to do pve content only its lame.
Right now (i checked on my brothers PC,he playes wow) there are a good amount of ques for one or two BGs but the LFG, trade and raid areas are freaking packed. so many more people finally have a chance to raid now. like it or not this game is a pve focused game. Ill give blizzard credit they know exactly how to hold the pvp playerbase in thier game but its clear raiding and dungeon content are king in WoW.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum