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Channce
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no one has edited thier rating since launch? I gave it high marks the first few weeks, but now? more like a 7.0
When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.
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I kinda agree with you. I was a big and unf obnoxoius fanboi at one time. The game has disappointed me, but still fun to play once in a while.
Played : WOW, LOTRO, COH/COV, EQ2, SWG, and WAR.
Playing EVE Online and AOC.
Wtg for SW:TOR and WOD
the game is fun to play if you like pvp, but the pve sucks. when im playing another mmo and doing the regular grind to get to the good part of the game i start to think of war. pvp from level one, yes please.
I'm still having a great time with WAR and I still think it's the best MMO available right now. And it's only gonna get better. So I don't feel the need to adjust my first rating.
WAR is so much fun for me.
I seriously don't think i'll get bored of this game for a while.
Some people just can't take WAR being a fun game they need to pick it apart saying the PVE is bland or the combat is slow.
I just have a good time playing it and for me thats all that matters.
I don't give a shit if it doesn't reinvent the wheel or that its not uber challenging.
Its a fun game I get to log in smack the shit out of some order players and log off.
I personally feel 8.3 is too low for such an enjoyable game.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Didn't rate it too nicely at first but have upped it as the game's been getting improvements.
I disagree, I believe an 8.3 is about right for WAR. Obviously, nothing is a 10, and WAR isnt a 9. Somewhere in the mid 8s is where I placed WAR.
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
Yeah im sure some people havent edited their rating. I think I dropped mine to like a 7 or so. Cant really remember. It was fun for a few months and i loved the Open PvP and keeps but the rest of the game just wasn't cutting it for me. They cut out a lot of the things I like in MMO's, that some people call an Inconvenience now days.
When there is a large, rabid fanbase before a game's release, it almost always has a great rating the instant you can rate it because they automatically give it a great rating even if they haven't played it yet. While some may later change their rating when they actually play the game, most won't. So you get situations where games have much better ratings than they should.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Well, I like the game too, but some things brought the score down for me, which gave it a lower rating I'd of imagined giving it. I gave it a 6.0, because the bad community, bad role-playing atmosphere, and performance problems the game has. I guess the low ratings there and the mediocre ratings that I gave it in the graphics, value, and customer service was enough to bring it down. But I find the game fun enough for me.
If you think WAR's pve sucks for a PvP game - then try Darkfall and come back - you'll be thinking WAR has the best PvE every made.
But I do miss the politic stuff in DF, craft basically anything, the big risks, clan cities, mounted combat, armor/weps, etc. Too bad that couldn't build a decent foundation so I could enjoy the other really cool features a lot more.
Bad role-playing atmosphere? What game has a good one besides LotRO possibly? Performance problems? Sounds like that is your issue not theirs. Graphics are fine.
I'd hate to see what you score a game I'd consider 'average' if you give WAR a 6.0.
Not sure about the bad community or Roleplaying either, maybe thats a server specific issue.
I recently came back and played the game a second time. I was definetly a follower of warhammer, leading up to its release. I was in closed and opened beta and played the first and a half after its launch. I rated the game last week and gave it a 4.9. I will say that I think I was too harsh in my rating, but at the time, I rated it from my heart and what I felt.
I will say this: Warhammer is an average mmorpg. It is inferior to WoW, Lotro, Eve, and EQ2, all which I consider to be top mmorpgs.
With the exception of Eve, those are all hardcore pve games. And Eve is just in a world of its own with its freedom.
I've enjoyed this game a lot more than LotRO and EQ2. I had a good time in WoW for a few years and it was the most fun I have had since DAoC when WoW was first released - but I think a large part of that was just my guild and having so many friends I know play the game.
Bad role-playing atmosphere? What game has a good one besides LotRO possibly? Performance problems? Sounds like that is your issue not theirs. Graphics are fine.
I'd hate to see what you score a game I'd consider 'average' if you give WAR a 6.0.
The more tools and openess a game has to encourage a community to RP, the better score it gets. A prime example of a good RPing atmosphere in my opinion is or was SWG. Housing, image designer, entertainers, clothing options, furniture...need I say more.
I need not post my specs or defend my position to you, but my computer is great, my connection is fine, and I'm not the only one who has issues. Go to the forums, as in-game, do whatever it is you do to validate a persons opinion. But ask people what happens when people gather in one place, start casting spells, and doing other things in WAR. Hell, read the patch notes if you want. The developers even admit and point out that there is a lag problem and delays when pressing an ability. As a ranged class, this doesn't make much of a difference, but when the range of your ability is 5m, it makes a world of difference.
Graphics is subject to opinion. The rating asks you to rate things based on your opinion. Did I really need to point that out to you? In my opinion, AoC's graphics are fine. Vanguards graphics are fine. LoTRO's environmental graphics are fine. In WAR, my view distance is scaled to be really shallow, details don't pop up until you get close enough to the object and etc. and this is on high settings. Character models and spell effects look good, but the game isn't all about character models and spell effects. If I cannot see a mountain range from at a distance that I normally could in real life, the graphics have been scaled down to unrealistic parameters. LoTRO allows you to see miles upon miles in the distance, which is realistic. I know why WAR does things like that, but the graphics aren't good enough to justify having lag at the same time. As I said, my computer is fine, unless a 8800 GT, 4 gigs of RAM, and a C2D 2.66 isn't good enough to run graphics on the level of WAR, yet is good enough to run AoC, LoTRO, Vanguard and practically all of the latest games graphically on max settings.
I score games based on their own merits. While I draw comparisons in the post, I do not compare the games so much in my ratings. Just because a RPIng atmosphere is rare in MMO's, doesn't justify rating it a 10.
Yeah, communities are server specific, and on my server, people are a bunch of selfish pricks. There are some good peole on the server, which is why the community rating didn't get a 1, but the community is a sum of all its parts. A good community buffs those they come across, acts unselfishly, isn't exclusive or elitists, is not immature or immoral, and are good communicators. I have never met a community that has all of this, which would be a 10 in my opinion, but I have met some communities that came close, but that was pre-WoW or in games with extremely small communities, such as Saga of Ryzom.
In WAR, on Dark Craag, Regional chat is full of people spouting non sense about this or that, degrading someone, is full of disrespect, bashing other games while playing another, among other irrational, thoughtless and immature talk. Groups sometimes are exclusive, forgetting that it's an us against them game, not a xp and gear game. Most people are consumed with the desire to level, get gear, and camp the enemy, that they forget the true objective of WAR is to conquer zones. Something DAoC players didn't seem to forget until later after release.
Do I have high expectations? Yes, but a rating of 10 is a perfect score requiring perfect execution of said category to get it. The majority of people on this sight under value the rating system, because they do not understand what numbers really mean. Numbers are a way of quantifying things, which in this case is the level of quality a game offers in each category listed.
Are you going to tell me the WAR community and RPing atmosphere is perfect, therefore deserves a 10, the best rating available for a MMORPG on this website?
6.5-7.5 is about right for this game imo. But that is all it is, my opinion. The only time you can be quanitative about your approach is when you start to judge it against other games and look at specific factors. e.g. graphics, music, performance, customer service etc.
That is why I feel 8.3 is unrealistic as WAR really doesn't hit too many 8.0's or higher for specific parts of the game.
Voting is always going to be lobsided because its either fanbois or trolls who vote.
Bad role-playing atmosphere? What game has a good one besides LotRO possibly? Performance problems? Sounds like that is your issue not theirs. Graphics are fine.
I'd hate to see what you score a game I'd consider 'average' if you give WAR a 6.0.
The more tools and openess a game has to encourage a community to RP, the better score it gets. A prime example of a good RPing atmosphere in my opinion is or was SWG. Housing, image designer, entertainers, clothing options, furniture...need I say more.
I need not post my specs or defend my position to you, but my computer is great, my connection is fine, and I'm not the only one who has issues. Go to the forums, as in-game, do whatever it is you do to validate a persons opinion. But ask people what happens when people gather in one place, start casting spells, and doing other things in WAR. Hell, read the patch notes if you want. The developers even admit and point out that there is a lag problem and delays when pressing an ability. As a ranged class, this doesn't make much of a difference, but when the range of your ability is 5m, it makes a world of difference.
Graphics is subject to opinion. The rating asks you to rate things based on your opinion. Did I really need to point that out to you? In my opinion, AoC's graphics are fine. Vanguards graphics are fine. LoTRO's environmental graphics are fine. In WAR, my view distance is scaled to be really shallow, details don't pop up until you get close enough to the object and etc. and this is on high settings. Character models and spell effects look good, but the game isn't all about character models and spell effects. If I cannot see a mountain range from at a distance that I normally could in real life, the graphics have been scaled down to unrealistic parameters. LoTRO allows you to see miles upon miles in the distance, which is realistic. I know why WAR does things like that, but the graphics aren't good enough to justify having lag at the same time. As I said, my computer is fine, unless a 8800 GT, 4 gigs of RAM, and a C2D 2.66 isn't good enough to run graphics on the level of WAR, yet is good enough to run AoC, LoTRO, Vanguard and practically all of the latest games graphically on max settings.
I score games based on their own merits. While I draw comparisons in the post, I do not compare the games so much in my ratings. Just because a RPIng atmosphere is rare in MMO's, doesn't justify rating it a 10.
Heh - if AoC's and LotRO's graphics are "fine" then what qualifies as great or good or a perfect 10 in graphics? Basically nothing since we're still improving in technology every day? A perfect 10, imo (in graphics), should goto the best graphical game available at the time - and rate each game according to that. So AoC would be the standard atm. Why penalize the games when the computer technology hasn't been invented yet just because it doesn't look exactly like real life. AoC's and LotRO's graphics are more than just 'fine'.
And I have no problems. An 8800GT is fine - could be better though. I don't have issues in WAR compared to other mmos. It's actually been pretty smooth compared to most. There was some issues at release - but nothing compared to the crap AoC brought. Yeah - there are other people complaining about performance - but they're still in the minority here.
You really need to get off your high horse here - even the best mmorpg on the market wouldn't achieve anything greater than a 7 with your standards it would seem. What did you rate WoW? How low did you rate its community/roleplay atmosphere/graphics?
Bad role-playing atmosphere? What game has a good one besides LotRO possibly? Performance problems? Sounds like that is your issue not theirs. Graphics are fine.
I'd hate to see what you score a game I'd consider 'average' if you give WAR a 6.0.
The more tools and openess a game has to encourage a community to RP, the better score it gets. A prime example of a good RPing atmosphere in my opinion is or was SWG. Housing, image designer, entertainers, clothing options, furniture...need I say more.
I need not post my specs or defend my position to you, but my computer is great, my connection is fine, and I'm not the only one who has issues. Go to the forums, as in-game, do whatever it is you do to validate a persons opinion. But ask people what happens when people gather in one place, start casting spells, and doing other things in WAR. Hell, read the patch notes if you want. The developers even admit and point out that there is a lag problem and delays when pressing an ability. As a ranged class, this doesn't make much of a difference, but when the range of your ability is 5m, it makes a world of difference.
Graphics is subject to opinion. The rating asks you to rate things based on your opinion. Did I really need to point that out to you? In my opinion, AoC's graphics are fine. Vanguards graphics are fine. LoTRO's environmental graphics are fine. In WAR, my view distance is scaled to be really shallow, details don't pop up until you get close enough to the object and etc. and this is on high settings. Character models and spell effects look good, but the game isn't all about character models and spell effects. If I cannot see a mountain range from at a distance that I normally could in real life, the graphics have been scaled down to unrealistic parameters. LoTRO allows you to see miles upon miles in the distance, which is realistic. I know why WAR does things like that, but the graphics aren't good enough to justify having lag at the same time. As I said, my computer is fine, unless a 8800 GT, 4 gigs of RAM, and a C2D 2.66 isn't good enough to run graphics on the level of WAR, yet is good enough to run AoC, LoTRO, Vanguard and practically all of the latest games graphically on max settings.
I score games based on their own merits. While I draw comparisons in the post, I do not compare the games so much in my ratings. Just because a RPIng atmosphere is rare in MMO's, doesn't justify rating it a 10.
Heh - if AoC's and LotRO's graphics are "fine" then what qualifies as great or good or a perfect 10 in graphics? Basically nothing since we're still improving in technology every day? A perfect 10, imo (in graphics), should goto the best graphical game available at the time - and rate each game according to that. So AoC would be the standard atm. Why penalize the games when the computer technology hasn't been invented yet just because it doesn't look exactly like real life. AoC's and LotRO's graphics are more than just 'fine'.
And I have no problems. An 8800GT is fine - could be better though. I don't have issues in WAR compared to other mmos. It's actually been pretty smooth compared to most. There was some issues at release - but nothing compared to the crap AoC brought. Yeah - there are other people complaining about performance - but they're still in the minority here.
Get off your high horse - even the best mmorpg on the market wouldn't achieve anything greater than a 7 with your standards it would seem.
When I said fine, I really meant I had no complaints. I'd rate AoC's graphics as a 10, LoTRO and Vanguards probably a 9, and EQ 2' somewhere around an 8. I rated WAR's graphics a 7, which is higher than the majority of MMORPG"s out there.
I ran AoC fine at release, so because I ran it fine, could I of then said it was your computer that was the problem? No, it'd upset you just as much as it upsets me that you assume it's my computer. WAR has technical problems, which are actually the same technical problems DAoC has. Problems that no upgrade helps, because they're server side problems.
As for me being on a high horse, call it what you will. Having high standards is a good thing. If you're going to judge something, even yourself, it should be against the highest standards, or else what's the point? Why hold lower standards for something when they can be higher? It's no secret that MMORPG's are not very good right now. Some MMORPG's have some good qualities, but they all have something seriously wrong with them. So why wouldn't you expect many MMORPG's to have low scores?
I think WoW is the best MMORPG out there, but it'd suffer a lower score than probably WAR. MMO PvE is pretty sad and that's what people like the most about it. The graphics are worse than WAR's, although their view distance and detail is better. The community is about the same. Performance and Lag is much better in WoW. Value is much better in WoW considering the wide range of things to do in that game for the same price.
Basically all I'm saying is that I don't let bias cloud my judgement when I rate a game. I take a neutral non-biased, impartial approach. Just because I like WAR more, due to it's instant PvP, doesn't mean I think it's a better game than WoW. It just means the one thing I look for in a MMORPG, WAR does better than it's competition. The last game I felt had an all around good package was SWG, but SOE ruined it.
Bad role-playing atmosphere? What game has a good one besides LotRO possibly? Performance problems? Sounds like that is your issue not theirs. Graphics are fine.
I'd hate to see what you score a game I'd consider 'average' if you give WAR a 6.0.
The more tools and openess a game has to encourage a community to RP, the better score it gets. A prime example of a good RPing atmosphere in my opinion is or was SWG. Housing, image designer, entertainers, clothing options, furniture...need I say more.
I need not post my specs or defend my position to you, but my computer is great, my connection is fine, and I'm not the only one who has issues. Go to the forums, as in-game, do whatever it is you do to validate a persons opinion. But ask people what happens when people gather in one place, start casting spells, and doing other things in WAR. Hell, read the patch notes if you want. The developers even admit and point out that there is a lag problem and delays when pressing an ability. As a ranged class, this doesn't make much of a difference, but when the range of your ability is 5m, it makes a world of difference.
Graphics is subject to opinion. The rating asks you to rate things based on your opinion. Did I really need to point that out to you? In my opinion, AoC's graphics are fine. Vanguards graphics are fine. LoTRO's environmental graphics are fine. In WAR, my view distance is scaled to be really shallow, details don't pop up until you get close enough to the object and etc. and this is on high settings. Character models and spell effects look good, but the game isn't all about character models and spell effects. If I cannot see a mountain range from at a distance that I normally could in real life, the graphics have been scaled down to unrealistic parameters. LoTRO allows you to see miles upon miles in the distance, which is realistic. I know why WAR does things like that, but the graphics aren't good enough to justify having lag at the same time. As I said, my computer is fine, unless a 8800 GT, 4 gigs of RAM, and a C2D 2.66 isn't good enough to run graphics on the level of WAR, yet is good enough to run AoC, LoTRO, Vanguard and practically all of the latest games graphically on max settings.
I score games based on their own merits. While I draw comparisons in the post, I do not compare the games so much in my ratings. Just because a RPIng atmosphere is rare in MMO's, doesn't justify rating it a 10.
Heh - if AoC's and LotRO's graphics are "fine" then what qualifies as great or good or a perfect 10 in graphics? Basically nothing since we're still improving in technology every day? A perfect 10, imo (in graphics), should goto the best graphical game available at the time - and rate each game according to that. So AoC would be the standard atm. Why penalize the games when the computer technology hasn't been invented yet just because it doesn't look exactly like real life. AoC's and LotRO's graphics are more than just 'fine'.
And I have no problems. An 8800GT is fine - could be better though. I don't have issues in WAR compared to other mmos. It's actually been pretty smooth compared to most. There was some issues at release - but nothing compared to the crap AoC brought. Yeah - there are other people complaining about performance - but they're still in the minority here.
Get off your high horse - even the best mmorpg on the market wouldn't achieve anything greater than a 7 with your standards it would seem.
When I said fine, I really meant I had no complaints. I'd rate AoC's graphics as a 10, LoTRO and Vanguards probably a 9, and EQ 2' somewhere around an 8. I rated WAR's graphics a 7, which is higher than the majority of MMORPG"s out there.
I ran AoC fine at release, so because I ran it fine, could I of then said it was your computer that was the problem? No, it'd upset you just as much as it upsets me that you assume it's my computer. WAR has technical problems, which are actually the same technical problems DAoC has. Problems that no upgrade helps, because they're server side problems.
As for me being on a high horse, call it what you will. Having high standards is a good thing. If you're going to judge something, even yourself, it should be against the highest standards, or else what's the point? Why hold lower standards for something when they can be higher? It's no secret that MMORPG's are not very good right now. Some MMORPG's have some good qualities, but they all have something seriously wrong with them. So why wouldn't you expect many MMORPG's to have low scores?
I think WoW is the best MMORPG out there, but it'd suffer a lower score than probably WAR. MMO PvE is pretty sad and that's what people like the most about it. The graphics are worse than WAR's, although their view distance and detail is better. The community is about the same. Performance and Lag is much better in WoW. Value is much better in WoW considering the wide range of things to do in that game for the same price.
Basically all I'm saying is that I don't let bias cloud my judgement when I rate a game. I take a neutral non-biased, impartial approach. Just because I like WAR more, due to it's instant PvP, doesn't mean I think it's a better game than WoW. It just means the one thing I look for in a MMORPG, WAR does better than it's competition. The last game I felt had an all around good package was SWG, but SOE ruined it.
You obviously did not play AoC before the "miracle" patch if you think it ran fine. Point is 99.9% of the users found that it ran horribly before that patch and even a lot afterward. WAR only has a small group complaining about junk - so no - it would not be the same as saying my computer had issues. I'd like to know what these technical problems are that it has that were also in DAoC as well. If you tell me I may have the same issues - but they obvious aren't that big of a deal (to me atleast) since I can't think of them off the top of my head..
I think WAR has equal graphics to EQ2. I do not like Vanguard's graphics at all - they tried way too hard for realism and ended up with plastic models that look terrible. The world look good though. You just may not like the art style of WAR. But I'd definitely put LOTRO/AoC above WAR in that department.
I don't think WoW is the best mmorpg out there. It's obvious the most successful due to it's marketing and it's easiness. A 10-year-old kid could be very successful in WoW. No problem with that - I enjoyed WoW for a few years. I think LOTRO is the most solid mmorpg right now - but it didn't have much innovation to offer over WoW.
But WAR is one of the top few mmorpg's on the market. There is no denying that. Don't see how anyone can rate it a 6. What makes you say mmorpgs are very good right now? They're just a different style than they were 10 years ago. It's the nostalgia that makes us think every game is crap and not up to par (I do it as well). It's impossible to rate a game compared to what we think an mmorpg should be like at its very best due to preferences. I know for a fact I will never be able to get the same sustained feeling and enjoyment I got when I first played EQ (for pve) and DAoC (pvp). MMOs were new to me then and were the first major ones of each category. You can't get that brand new feeling so a majority of people are just burnt out on mmos and will never be happy with a game.
I find it funny that people rate WAR on features that weren't intended on being in the game.
Like giving it a 6.0 since it doesn't have WoW like Raids and dungeons or SWG like crafting.
Mythic never intended WAR to have a robust PVE experience, It's basically a side game like WoWs battlegrounds/arenas or LotROs monster play.
You don't fuck up and entire games rating because you feel it should have more then it does.
Thats like rating L4D a 6.0 because it didnt have RPG elements and a solo player game as good as Resident evil.
You take this game as it is.
Are WARs Scenarios fun and well done? Yes, I would give them a 9.0 they're freaking awesome.
IS WARs ORvR engaging, fun and challenging? YES! I would give it a 8.5 since it is population dependant and sometimes you cant do ORvR due to noone willing to group up.
Does WAR have Solo quests? PQs? ToK unlocks? Dungeons? Yes! are all of these well done and fun to do/play? Yes!!
I would easily give WAR a 9.5 if it didnt have balance issues and some stability issues so I give it a 8.75 which in my book is a fantastic game.
As for rating the game on community or roleplaying, How could you blame mythic for the type of people they have playing the game? It's not their fault people are assholes and they don't like to RP lol.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Bad role-playing atmosphere? What game has a good one besides LotRO possibly? Performance problems? Sounds like that is your issue not theirs. Graphics are fine.
I'd hate to see what you score a game I'd consider 'average' if you give WAR a 6.0.
The more tools and openess a game has to encourage a community to RP, the better score it gets. A prime example of a good RPing atmosphere in my opinion is or was SWG. Housing, image designer, entertainers, clothing options, furniture...need I say more.
I need not post my specs or defend my position to you, but my computer is great, my connection is fine, and I'm not the only one who has issues. Go to the forums, as in-game, do whatever it is you do to validate a persons opinion. But ask people what happens when people gather in one place, start casting spells, and doing other things in WAR. Hell, read the patch notes if you want. The developers even admit and point out that there is a lag problem and delays when pressing an ability. As a ranged class, this doesn't make much of a difference, but when the range of your ability is 5m, it makes a world of difference.
Graphics is subject to opinion. The rating asks you to rate things based on your opinion. Did I really need to point that out to you? In my opinion, AoC's graphics are fine. Vanguards graphics are fine. LoTRO's environmental graphics are fine. In WAR, my view distance is scaled to be really shallow, details don't pop up until you get close enough to the object and etc. and this is on high settings. Character models and spell effects look good, but the game isn't all about character models and spell effects. If I cannot see a mountain range from at a distance that I normally could in real life, the graphics have been scaled down to unrealistic parameters. LoTRO allows you to see miles upon miles in the distance, which is realistic. I know why WAR does things like that, but the graphics aren't good enough to justify having lag at the same time. As I said, my computer is fine, unless a 8800 GT, 4 gigs of RAM, and a C2D 2.66 isn't good enough to run graphics on the level of WAR, yet is good enough to run AoC, LoTRO, Vanguard and practically all of the latest games graphically on max settings.
I score games based on their own merits. While I draw comparisons in the post, I do not compare the games so much in my ratings. Just because a RPIng atmosphere is rare in MMO's, doesn't justify rating it a 10.
Heh - if AoC's and LotRO's graphics are "fine" then what qualifies as great or good or a perfect 10 in graphics? Basically nothing since we're still improving in technology every day? A perfect 10, imo (in graphics), should goto the best graphical game available at the time - and rate each game according to that. So AoC would be the standard atm. Why penalize the games when the computer technology hasn't been invented yet just because it doesn't look exactly like real life. AoC's and LotRO's graphics are more than just 'fine'.
And I have no problems. An 8800GT is fine - could be better though. I don't have issues in WAR compared to other mmos. It's actually been pretty smooth compared to most. There was some issues at release - but nothing compared to the crap AoC brought. Yeah - there are other people complaining about performance - but they're still in the minority here.
Get off your high horse - even the best mmorpg on the market wouldn't achieve anything greater than a 7 with your standards it would seem.
When I said fine, I really meant I had no complaints. I'd rate AoC's graphics as a 10, LoTRO and Vanguards probably a 9, and EQ 2' somewhere around an 8. I rated WAR's graphics a 7, which is higher than the majority of MMORPG"s out there.
I ran AoC fine at release, so because I ran it fine, could I of then said it was your computer that was the problem? No, it'd upset you just as much as it upsets me that you assume it's my computer. WAR has technical problems, which are actually the same technical problems DAoC has. Problems that no upgrade helps, because they're server side problems.
As for me being on a high horse, call it what you will. Having high standards is a good thing. If you're going to judge something, even yourself, it should be against the highest standards, or else what's the point? Why hold lower standards for something when they can be higher? It's no secret that MMORPG's are not very good right now. Some MMORPG's have some good qualities, but they all have something seriously wrong with them. So why wouldn't you expect many MMORPG's to have low scores?
I think WoW is the best MMORPG out there, but it'd suffer a lower score than probably WAR. MMO PvE is pretty sad and that's what people like the most about it. The graphics are worse than WAR's, although their view distance and detail is better. The community is about the same. Performance and Lag is much better in WoW. Value is much better in WoW considering the wide range of things to do in that game for the same price.
Basically all I'm saying is that I don't let bias cloud my judgement when I rate a game. I take a neutral non-biased, impartial approach. Just because I like WAR more, due to it's instant PvP, doesn't mean I think it's a better game than WoW. It just means the one thing I look for in a MMORPG, WAR does better than it's competition. The last game I felt had an all around good package was SWG, but SOE ruined it.
You obviously did not play AoC before the "miracle" patch if you think it ran fine. Point is 99.9% of the users found that it ran horribly before that patch and even a lot afterward. WAR only has a small group complaining about junk - so no - it would not be the same as saying my computer had issues. I'd like to know what these technical problems are that it has that were also in DAoC as well. If you tell me I may have the same issues - but they obvious aren't that big of a deal (to me atleast) since I can't think of them off the top of my head..
I think WAR has equal graphics to EQ2. I do not like Vanguard's graphics at all - they tried way too hard for realism and ended up with plastic models that look terrible. The world look good though. You just may not like the art style of WAR. But I'd definitely put LOTRO/AoC above WAR in that department.
I don't think WoW is the best mmorpg out there. It's obvious the most successful due to it's marketing and it's easiness. A 10-year-old kid could be very successful in WoW. No problem with that - I enjoyed WoW for a few years. I think LOTRO is the most solid mmorpg right now - but it didn't have much innovation to offer over WoW.
But WAR is one of the top few mmorpg's on the market. There is no denying that. Don't see how anyone can rate it a 6. What makes you say mmorpgs are very good right now? They're just a different style than they were 10 years ago. It's the nostalgia that makes us think every game is crap and not up to par (I do it as well). It's impossible to rate a game compared to what we think an mmorpg should be like at its very best due to preferences. I know for a fact I will never be able to get the same sustained feeling and enjoyment I got when I first played EQ (for pve) and DAoC (pvp). MMOs were new to me then and were the first major ones of each category. You can't get that brand new feeling so a majority of people are just burnt out on mmos and will never be happy with a game.
This isn't about feelings, as I already said. Feelings lead to biasness, which should be kept out of reviews. It's not nostalgia either, because MMO's were worse before WoW came out if I looked at it objectively, even if I did have more fun in MMO's then. I had more fun, because the communities were more tight knit and a lot less solo centric. I had fun in DAoC, because the community cared about their realm, had pride in their realm, and fought tooth and nail for the keeps and etc. In WAR, people are selfish and could care less about the BO's. They'd rather farm Destruction at their warcamp as the BO's are being taken.
You can argue with me all you want, but my opinion won't change until I hear a compelling argument to change it. PvE in a game will be dull untill devs find a way to offer meaningful content with real consequences and choices. Good PvE is found in single player games. Pick a MMO and you will see bad PvE. So in my opinion, no MMO has good PvE, unless you consider good PvE killing 12 boars for 3 boar intestines. Or maybe delivering a Dear John letter to Sue across town is better PvE. The only "good" PvE I've found in MMO's are dungeons, and that's because it offers a raw hack n slash type of gameplay. Who here doesn't like a good dungeon crawl? I loved dungeon crawls in DAoC; moreso than dungeon crawls in DnD single player games. So PvE has a long way to go in order for it to be rated high.
PvP in my opinion is best when in FPS mode. FPS requires a player to win based on skill + experience. A person who trains with an assault rifle for weeks on end and has learn strategies and counter attacks to other players will be better. But it's something most people can learn with time, and all people are on a level playing field. The more crutches you give a person to PvP with, the worse the PvP is. For example, in WAR you have big red names above the enemies head, which makes sneaking away from you impossible. You can also zoom your camera out to get a wide range view of your surroundings. Some people like RPG style PvP and that's just personal preference. However, rating PvP in WAR can't be too bad, since WAR offers PvP from the start and the balancing really isn't that bad. It also offers a purpose to keep PvPing, which provides hours upon hours of content. That makes WAR a win MMO for me over any other MMORPG out there.
I think the rating system on this website is crap and I created a thread on the general forum to create a new rating system. Since it wasn't flame material, the selfish people on this forum didn't give two thoughts towards the thread, so it's barried now. I guess people like the rating system. I'd rather rate a game based on what it's good at, instead of being forced to rate how "Fun" a game is when fun is such a subjective thing. I'd much rather rate it's PvE, PvP, RP and etc., which would provide readers a much clearer picture of what the game has to offer and is good at.
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Yes, I would rate the RP and community as 8 on my server in WAR...not run into an idiot yet (or if I have, they have been very quiet)...I also play on a RP server...so, the RP gets a big + there.
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PvP, RP, PvE quality are just as subjective as fun....unless we all like the same thing in pvp, rp and pve...which I am fairly confident we dont...and the quality of these 3 is what makes up the fun of a game.
For example, you say you think pvp is best in FPS mode...that to me is a 0 rating..I won't touch a game that has that pvp style.
EDIT: Just because people didnt think your ratings suggestion was really good, does not make them selfish.
i would give WAR a nine, but i'm a warhammer nerd, so thats me. The game seems to be doing better since its launch in september, and all the new classes now make it seem even better. I did the trial, but without a job i can't play as much as i want, but i know as soon i get some income i'm playing this game. The PvE wasn't to bad in my opinion, though in the dwarf area it seems you have to PvP with the PvE, which was neat, but sucks if your the only loan slayer in a group of choppas.
So basically, this is all one big opinion, others don't like how its made, others do. Its not wrong, though just nitpicking it after you played it from just launch and not really doing a trial to see all the new changes won't really help anything.