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Since marijuana is illegal should cigarettes be illegal as well?

IchbenIchben Member UncommonPosts: 296

Gang, I really want to know your thoughts on this issue.

Since both cigarettes and marijuana are bad for a person's health, should both products be illegal?

I asked my red father this same question and he got very mad. He bitched slapped me and told me to shut the hell up. "Don't you ever ask me a stupid question again!!" he said. "Don't you EVER!!!" I said I was sorry but he didn't listen, I don't think the man really cared. He was drunk when I brought the question to his attention. He told me to get the hell out of his face and I did. I retreated to my little shed in the back of my garden and cried my eyes out. I cried myself to sleep that night dreaming of a green fairy with long legs and beautiful eyes. She said she loved me, she said she'd hold my hand....

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  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562

    also we need to make butter illegal, alcohol, and McDonald's, as well as aspirin (abuse will kill ya), as well as certain emotions like anger, stress, disagreements (lead to violence), books, newspapers, the internet, in fact all thoughts need to be made illegal because someone somewhere might use them to cause someone, or something harm.

    Love is the cause of much human suffering. Ban it.

  • BalterBalter Member Posts: 1,015
    Originally posted by Ichben

    I asked my red father this same question and he got very mad. He bitched slapped me and told me to shut the hell up. "Don't you ever ask me a stupid question again!!" he said. "Don't you EVER!!!" I said I was sorry but he didn't listen, I don't think the man really cared. He was drunk when I brought the question to his attention. He told me to get the hell out of his face and I did. I retreated to my little shed in the back of my garden and cried my eyes out. I cried myself to sleep that night dreaming of a green fairy with long legs and beautiful eyes. She said she loved me, she said she'd hold my hand....

     

    You write good fiction.

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  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586

    Lets ban High Fructose Corn Syrup! Its making people fat!

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  • EnkinduEnkindu Member Posts: 1,098

    Bah.  Legalize it all- people should have the right to kill themselves however they want.  Things that endanger OTHERS though, like second hand smoke and driving under the influence... penalties for those things should be made a LOT harsher.

    deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)

  • ScalebaneScalebane Member UncommonPosts: 1,883

    We should be free to do anything we want, even kill each other.

     

     

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  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627

    Lets make breathing illegal.   lol  OK start holding your breathes.   Go on.

  • IchbenIchben Member UncommonPosts: 296
    Originally posted by Balter

    Originally posted by Ichben

    I asked my red father this same question and he got very mad. He bitched slapped me and told me to shut the hell up. "Don't you ever ask me a stupid question again!!" he said. "Don't you EVER!!!" I said I was sorry but he didn't listen, I don't think the man really cared. He was drunk when I brought the question to his attention. He told me to get the hell out of his face and I did. I retreated to my little shed in the back of my garden and cried my eyes out. I cried myself to sleep that night dreaming of a green fairy with long legs and beautiful eyes. She said she loved me, she said she'd hold my hand....

     

    You write good fiction.

     

    Balter, in your eyes and ears my words may seem and sound like fiction. But in my eyes and ears, they say and speak the truth. I really did see the fairy Balter, and my father really did beat me. When he beats me or calls me names I go to the garden, I go to my favorite spot in the grass. I pay a visit to the fairy and the fairy makes me well again. The green fairy makes me feel good and I feel good being with her. I can hold her hand without feeling guilty, I can hold her hand without feeling ashamed!!!

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  • sephersepher Member Posts: 3,561

    How far is "too far" when it comes to substance use? Is it all ok, or is none of it is? Serious question. For unrelated reasons I was sorting thorugh Georgia Law the other day and found like an entire section on model glue; cocaine and heroin had to share a section.

    Would it really be wise to legalize every substance out there, marijuana included? Crack, meth, the whole nine? Should the concept of behind the counter prescriptions be done away with too?

    For anyone that supports legalizing marijuana, I'd appreciate hearing where they'd draw any limits with substance use. The reason I ask is because I support legalizing marijuana; but don't think crack and heroin and etc. should be legal. Not sure how I feel about glue. All and all I think we're going to forever be stuck in hypocrisy; what's to stop weed advocates being replaced by huffing advocates, and how do we tell them no?

  • SabiancymSabiancym Member UncommonPosts: 3,150

    In order to be truly free you should be able to do whatever you want as long as you don't harm other people.

     

    The government should have no say as to what we put into our own bodies.

  • Dynamo112Dynamo112 Member Posts: 240
    Originally posted by sepher


    How far is "too far" when it comes to substance use? Is it all ok, or is none of it is? Serious question. For unrelated reasons I was sorting thorugh Georgia Law the other day and found like an entire section on model glue; cocaine and heroin had to share a section.
    Would it really be wise to legalize every substance out there, marijuana included? Crack, meth, the whole nine? Should the concept of behind the counter prescriptions be done away with too?
    For anyone that supports legalizing marijuana, I'd appreciate hearing where they'd draw any limits with substance use. The reason I ask is because I support legalizing marijuana; but don't think crack and heroin and etc. should be legal. Not sure how I feel about glue. All and all I think we're going to forever be stuck in hypocrisy; what's to stop weed advocates being replaced by huffing advocates, and how do we tell them no?

     

    I don't think it's a good idea to legalize all substances. There's good reason why people push the legal pot topic so much. It simply has more pros than cons. By a long shot!

    It would hurt the lumber business very significantly as farmers could just grow hemp as a paper replacement. The good side to this is that it would help our environment by a very large margin. So if you're one of those green earth activist, hemp is the way to go.

    Fuel. Hemp is a much better source of biofuels. Better than corn.

    These are just a very small portion of benefits we could gain from legalizing cannabis/hemp.

    But what are the cons?

    A possible increase in nationwide cannabis consumers.

    And that's pretty much it.

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627

    Marijuana should be legalized.   lol - no seriously...it should be...I am all for it!  Woohoo!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ScalebaneScalebane Member UncommonPosts: 1,883

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  • Speaking of green fairies, someone told me that absinthe is on a comeback and legally available in the United States. I guess the stuff must not be as harmful as they thought it was. If someone wanted to go on a Victorian binge Laudanum is also available as a prescription in the US.



    I also think that anyone interested in the total legalization of all controlled substances should probably focus all their effort on marijuana. You're not going to just wake up tomorrow and convince a nation that some of the heavier stuff should be legalized, so focusing on a milder target would probably give you a more willing audience.



    I will say, having a great deal of experience in the pharmacy business, that some drugs are outright deadly to the uninformed. If you play around with something like oxycodone, you're playing with your life. It is incredibly easy to OD on, or become addicted to. I'm pretty conservative on the issue, I could be persuaded to support legalizing marijuana, but I would fight strongly against removing the controlled status of most narcotics.

  • SabiancymSabiancym Member UncommonPosts: 3,150
    Originally posted by Sawtooth






    I will say, having a great deal of experience in the pharmacy business, that some drugs are outright deadly to the uninformed. If you play around with something like oxycodone, you're playing with your life. It is incredibly easy to OD on, or become addicted to. I'm pretty conservative on the issue, I could be persuaded to support legalizing marijuana, but I would fight strongly against removing the controlled status of most narcotics.

     

    Guns are extremely deadly and plenty of those are legal.

     

    Why are people smart enough to handle items designed to kill others but not smart enough to decide what they put in their bodies?

  • dlooneydlooney Member Posts: 306
    Originally posted by Sabiancym

    Originally posted by Sawtooth






    I will say, having a great deal of experience in the pharmacy business, that some drugs are outright deadly to the uninformed. If you play around with something like oxycodone, you're playing with your life. It is incredibly easy to OD on, or become addicted to. I'm pretty conservative on the issue, I could be persuaded to support legalizing marijuana, but I would fight strongly against removing the controlled status of most narcotics.

     

    Guns are extremely deadly and plenty of those are legal.

     

    Why are people smart enough to handle items designed to kill others but not smart enough to decide what they put in their bodies?

    Because every person knows that if you point a gun and shoot someone in the head it will kill them, however most of the time they don't know that if they pop all those pills they will od.

  • ReanemeikoReanemeiko Member Posts: 183

    What I have noticed, to be able to be legalized is to pay for tax like CIgarette which is considered as legal because they're paying the tax but Marijuana don't.  That is just what i've observer so far..by paying tax it will be legal....  ^^

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  • Dynamo112Dynamo112 Member Posts: 240
    Originally posted by dlooney

    Originally posted by Sabiancym

    Originally posted by Sawtooth






    I will say, having a great deal of experience in the pharmacy business, that some drugs are outright deadly to the uninformed. If you play around with something like oxycodone, you're playing with your life. It is incredibly easy to OD on, or become addicted to. I'm pretty conservative on the issue, I could be persuaded to support legalizing marijuana, but I would fight strongly against removing the controlled status of most narcotics.

     

    Guns are extremely deadly and plenty of those are legal.

     

    Why are people smart enough to handle items designed to kill others but not smart enough to decide what they put in their bodies?

    Because every person knows that if you point a gun and shoot someone in the head it will kill them, however most of the time they don't know that if they pop all those pills they will od.

     

    Part of the War on Drugs campaign was to educate people on these things. Obviously it isnt working so other measures need to be taken.

  • wihtgarwihtgar Member UncommonPosts: 119

    Legalize Lynching.

  • Originally posted by Sabiancym

    Originally posted by Sawtooth






    I will say, having a great deal of experience in the pharmacy business, that some drugs are outright deadly to the uninformed. If you play around with something like oxycodone, you're playing with your life. It is incredibly easy to OD on, or become addicted to. I'm pretty conservative on the issue, I could be persuaded to support legalizing marijuana, but I would fight strongly against removing the controlled status of most narcotics.

     

    Guns are extremely deadly and plenty of those are legal.

     

    Why are people smart enough to handle items designed to kill others but not smart enough to decide what they put in their bodies?

     

    <sigh> Look, I'm not getting into the guns drugs rahrahrah argument. All I'm telling you, is that if you removed all restrictions on the sales of something like oxycodone, people will die as a result. Whether or not you should care about their deaths is a matter for debate, and for 99% of those cases I probably wouldn't. But, our socio-economic situation would not handle it well. If such a thing happened the first thing my pharmacy would do is refuse to sell it to anyone without a prescription regardless of the new rules. We'd probably get sued for discrimination or something, but it's better than being sued for selling something that killed someone, and I personally don't want it on my head regardless of the stupidity of the patient involved. Our society presently is not prepared to deal with that kind of scenario.



    Which is why I always tell people who want to get these kinds of things legalized and such, I recommend you focus your efforts on Marijuana. This is an issue that will not change over night, and I think your best shot at achieving the kind of change you want is to go gradually and start in areas that people are more prepared to listen to. Personally, if you could guarantee me as a retailer immunity from prosecution for anything I sell or refuse to sell, stringent prosecution for people who hurt other people under the influence of whatever it is you want to legalize (the reaction times of people actively under the influence of narcotics tends to be very bad), and laws making it illegal to wander around the streets under the influence (just like public intoxication laws), I dare say that I might actually agree and vote in your favor.

  • MunkiMunki Member CommonPosts: 2,128
    Originally posted by Dynamo112

    Originally posted by dlooney

    Originally posted by Sabiancym

    Originally posted by Sawtooth






    I will say, having a great deal of experience in the pharmacy business, that some drugs are outright deadly to the uninformed. If you play around with something like oxycodone, you're playing with your life. It is incredibly easy to OD on, or become addicted to. I'm pretty conservative on the issue, I could be persuaded to support legalizing marijuana, but I would fight strongly against removing the controlled status of most narcotics.

     

    Guns are extremely deadly and plenty of those are legal.

     

    Why are people smart enough to handle items designed to kill others but not smart enough to decide what they put in their bodies?

    Because every person knows that if you point a gun and shoot someone in the head it will kill them, however most of the time they don't know that if they pop all those pills they will od.

    Part of the War on Drugs campaign was to educate people on these things. Obviously it isnt working so other measures need to be taken.

    If it was easy to educate the population on drugs, that would really make medical biochemistry a moot point wouldnt it?

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  • MassivelyMOMassivelyMO Member Posts: 21
    Originally posted by wihtgar


    Legalize Lynching.

    <sigh>  You have issues dude... You should talk to someone about that.

    If burning a plant is illegal, the cancer sticks the manmade cancer sticks should be also.

  • IchbenIchben Member UncommonPosts: 296
    Originally posted by MassivelyMO

    Originally posted by wihtgar


    Legalize Lynching.

    <sigh>  You have issues dude... You should talk to someone about that.

    If burning a plant is illegal, the cancer sticks the manmade cancer sticks should be also.

     

    Well said Mr. Massively, well said indeed.

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  • JackcoltJackcolt Member UncommonPosts: 2,170

    Ahh it's been too long since your last thread Ichbin. Still looking for the white tower I presume?

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  • SargothSargoth Member Posts: 558
    Originally posted by Ichben


    Gang, I really want to know your thoughts on this issue.
    Since both cigarettes and marijuana are bad for a person's health, should both products be illegal?
    I asked my red father this same question and he got very mad. He bitched slapped me and told me to shut the hell up. "Don't you ever ask me a stupid question again!!" he said. "Don't you EVER!!!" I said I was sorry but he didn't listen, I don't think the man really cared. He was drunk when I brought the question to his attention. He told me to get the hell out of his face and I did. I retreated to my little shed in the back of my garden and cried my eyes out. I cried myself to sleep that night dreaming of a green fairy with long legs and beautiful eyes. She said she loved me, she said she'd hold my hand....
    Ichben Einberliner

     

    Cigarettes should be illegal because of second hand smoke.  Your an idiot to argue that cigarettes are not harmful.  Inflicting them upon other people in public should be made against the law. 

    I'm not so sure about your methodology though.  There are many reasons against marijuana besides healthcare. 

    When a piscating wizard floods every thread I can understand why people leave.

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