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College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader
vonomous
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A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they’re thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment.
“The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey. That’s when one student grabbed a gun out of a backpack and shot at the invader who was watching the men. The gunman ran out of the apartment.
Bailey said he is just thankful one student risked his life to keep others alive.
"If you can't out wit them, report them till they're banned!"- PopinJ'
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How many situations like this per day happen? Theres a few accidental shooting deaths a day.
I'm still not completely sure on my position on gun control. On one hand, I think people should be free to do what they please as long as they don't hurt others. Guns, drugs, etc. But on the other hand, guns were invented to kill and legally obtained ones do so quite often.
I've never felt any need to have one.
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Using individual events like these are poor examples in favor or against gun control.
This is an example of where owning a gun possibly saved someones life. I can mention events where lives would have been saved if gun control was enforced.
Using individual events like these are poor examples in favor or against gun control.
This is an example of where owning a gun possibly saved someones life. I can mention events where lives would have been saved if gun control was enforced.
Yep
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Good.
Now we wait and see how long it takes for someone to post that it's isolated incidents like these that illustrate why everyone needs an Uzi in their home, and anyone who disagrees is wiping their ass with the Second Amendment.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Using individual events like these are poor examples in favor or against gun control.
This is an example of where owning a gun possibly saved someones life. I can mention events where lives would have been saved if gun control was enforced.
Yep
Guys, he's doing the best he can. He doesn't have any help to search furiously for links.
He simply doesn't have much material to work with on this topic. It's not like this thing happens once a month in any of the 50 states. It's like Halley's Comet.. gotta get the pics when you can.
Unfortunely, this happens WAY more often than his story.
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Gotta give him credit though... Von tries.
/Special Olympic golf clap.
"TO MICHAEL!"
A Foolish Faith in Authority is the Worst Enemy of Truth
-- Albert Einstein
The gun control legacy lives on. The debate whether the Second Amendent confers an "individual" or "collective" right lives on. The question about whether or not gun ownership is a "fundamental" right (speech, e.g.) lives on.
When the smoke clears --no pun intended, believe it or not-- the issue comes down to safety. Some people believe that they will be safer when guns are HIGHLY regulated. Some people believe they will be safer when gunds are HIGHLY unregulated.
The truth is that those who sit-around and wait for the "authorities" to arrive are not only naive but will wind-up dead.
One, disarming regular people does not make them, you, or me any (any) safer. The problem is that lawful purchases of firearms end-up into the hands of criminals. We need to enforce the laws on the books.
Two, in a culture such as ours --and this is without criticism-- guns, weapons, firearms, individualism, self-defense and so forth are deeply rooted in the tradition and culture. Changing culture takes decades. You have to begin in the classroom with revised textbooks, and other institutions such as religion and so forth have to be on board. How, then, do we deal with it? Culturally, encourage --even expand-- responsible gun ownership. Education and training in the proper use, maintenance, storage, handling, and so forth of weapons.
Three, gun violence is a lamentably serious and severe issue. Its cure, however, is not going after lawful, responsible, and ordinary gun owners.
Four, the link between massacres and gun ownership needs to explored with greater seriousness and sensitivity. The issue is often how easy it was for an unlawful individual to obtain a firearm and create a massacre. The issue, however, is never how difficult it is for a lawful individual to obtain and use a firearm to defend himself. Folks, I am just asking, and I am not implicitly making a policy statement, would massacres be avoided --such as the one described in the video-- is more and not less individuals were legally permitted to carry concealed firearms?
Five, gun control needs to be reasonable and effective. Should citizens be allowed to "bear arms" in the streets? Yes/no? Wouldn't it defeat the purpose, though, of deterrence? If citizens' weapons are not concealed, then the robber, mugger, murderer, rapist, thug, etc. knows who to and who not to target. In a community where everyone is disarmed, you can attack just about anyone and everyone: higher crime areas.
Respect the Constitution
Our respect, as citizens, for the Constitution requires that we respect the Second Amendment. I thought the Second Amendment was going to turn into a property rights issue. That is, the federal government will provide minimal protections, but the states are free to choose.
Answered
Does the Constitution confer an individual' right to "keep and bear arms" in the privacy of one's home?
Does the Constitution confer an individual right to use the firearm in one's own home?
Unanswered
Does the Constitution confer an individual right to keep and bear arms in public?
Does the Constitution confer an individual right to use the firearm in self-defense in public?
If the answer is yes, which it is (basically), then we need to explore means of creating a culture of responsible gun ownership. Certain regulations, however, are perfectly valid and lawful: preventing the mentally disabled from owning firearms.
TREATIES
Briefly, treaties approved by 2/3rds of the Senate are federal law and binding. Treaties trump federal law if they conflict with a federal law that was passed prior to passage of the treaty.
We could, if we really wanted to, slip in many and varied gun regulations through Treaties.
Treaties that conflict with the Constitution are not binding. However, guns can be regulated; and certain "kinds" of weapons can be regulated. Thus, a treaty could ban Americans from possessing assault weapons; or really just about any kind of weapon.
I, personally, believe that gun ownership IS a fundamental right. I do not own any guns. I live with two people who do. My father does. My two stepbrothers do. Many friends do.
I don't own a gun because I don't NEED a gun. I don't hunt (although I have, and I have taken hunter safety courses and been licensed). I don't sport shoot (although I have, and it is enjoyable to squeeze off a few rounds at a target). I don't need one for protection. I don't live in a bad neighborhood.
That said, I don't think completely unfettered gun ownership is responsible. I'm sorry, but one does not need an arsenal. One does not NEED an assault rifle for hunting or protection.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
I personally am in favor of gun control.
I do not trust the average human being able to hande the responsibility of such fireweapons. Humans are very unstable creatures that can cause a huge amount of damage with weapons. One might argue that other weapons, such as knives or even cars are capable of the same thing, but I think the benefits of the uses those things were designed for far outweigth the risks. After all,life would be difficult without cars and knives.
Guns, however, have no other feature than to kill.
Some might argue that we need it for our protection, but in my opinion, there is no stopping once you use that argument.
One says people who can wish to harm them use hand guns, so we need handguns too for our protection.
Another can say it's better to be better equiped than those who wish to bring harm, so we should allow assault rifles, grenades and we can just keep going untill everyone is allowed to transform their home into a bunker.
If I was an American I would have to take the constitution of the US into consideration, but I don't think the Constitution is a document that creates an ideal environment for every generation. I believe that the 2nd amendment might have been necessary in the time the document was written, but is no longer needed in todays society.
Personally if guns were banned that would be a great chance for me to begin robbing/mugging people(if I really wanted to). Not only am I sorely short on cash these days, but my physical strength and fighting experience is far greater than most people in the area(not to mention blinding me doesn't work since I have training in fighting and moving(including running) blind). Not to mention I have a fairly forgettable body type(average height, average weight).
If guns are banned just hope ya don't come against a crook bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter(when it comes to fighting) than you are. Particularly if they really want to hurt you(I for example would mind attempting to break my victim's jaw too keep them quite/stun them. In a fight you go for the kill, simple as that). Guns are the great equalizer. They allow a weaker individual to defend themselves against stronger individuals(I personally greatly dislike guns... such cowardly weapons(same with most modern weapons)). However, even I, Mr. Confident in my own physical abilities, am not dumb enough to take on someone with a gun(even if I have one myself) if I have any choice whatsoever in the matter; it just isn't worth it(and I recall seeing a prison survey that indicated that most criminals feel the same way).
The problems likely stem from three sources. Obviously you have problems when people purposely use something to commit a crime(whehter it is a car, a gun, an elephant, or a candy cane doesn't matter).
Some problems arise with irresponsible ownership of guns. Just as problems arise with irresponsible ownership of cars, knives, airplanes, etc. The way around this is to simply create an educated population. And perhaps enforce certain safety measures(you know like how you have to have car insurance or special licenses to drive certain vehicles, etc).
And other problems arise from those who don't know how to properly use guns in self-defense. In many cases a gun being used in self-defense shouldn't be fired(this can end in a fire fight which any reasonable individual would want to avoid). The weapon is a deterrent. Most people(criminals included) would rather go away than get involved in a gun fight with someone who looks like they know how to use the weapon(this is the second part, if you look incapable of using it you ruin the effect).
I personally am in favor of gun control.
I do not trust the average human being able to hande the responsibility of such fireweapons. Humans are very unstable creatures that can cause a huge amount of damage with weapons. One might argue that other weapons, such as knives or even cars are capable of the same thing, but I think the benefits of the uses those things were designed for far outweigth the risks. After all,life would be difficult without cars and knives.
Guns, however, have no other feature than to kill.
Some might argue that we need it for our protection, but in my opinion, there is no stopping once you use that argument.
One says people who can wish to harm them use hand guns, so we need handguns too for our protection.
Another can say it's better to be better equiped than those who wish to bring harm, so we should allow assault rifles, grenades and we can just keep going untill everyone is allowed to transform their home into a bunker.
If I was an American I would have to take the constitution of the US into consideration, but I don't think the Constitution is a document that creates an ideal environment for every generation. I believe that the 2nd amendment might have been necessary in the time the document was written, but is no longer needed in todays society.
Oh, I am in favor of gun CONTROL. Gun control (which I interpret to mean regulation) and the outright banning of firearms are two entirely different things, IMHO.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Oh Kobie, they only want an inch. Just give them an inch. Whats the big deal? Its just a little inch! Hop on this slippery slope, government loves you and everything is going to be ok!
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The real power is smart enough to hide itself BEHIND the throne. Every President is a Public Relations agent for that obscured power, and nothing more.
Tbh guns need to be made illegal like over here in the UK.
So sick and tired of the baseless anti-gun sentiment in this country. It's getting downright stupid.
I had some folks invite me out to a lakeside cabin in northern michigan last summer. That's bear country. The guy a mile down the road was feeding the bears and we suspected he was trapping/poaching. They said they'd had several run-ins with bears where they had to wait them out in the car.
Did they have a firearm? No. Could I bring my firearm? No.
Ok- you're staying in the freaking woods with wild animals that are unpredictable and tremendously dangerous should they be in a bad mood that day. Mother nature is not soft and cuddly, mother nature kills shit.
These are the same people who don't think twice about doing illegal drugs every day and/or drinking and then hopping in a vehicle. Last I checked, cars kill several magnitudes more folks in this country than guns do... and most of those are suicides.
People are so f**cking stupid.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Using individual events like these are poor examples in favor or against gun control.
This is an example of where owning a gun possibly saved someones life. I can mention events where lives would have been saved if gun control was enforced.
Would love for you to mention them
The majority of car deaths in the country are suicides and more than gun suicides?
The most recent statistics from the American Association of Suicidology, Suicide.org, and the CDC.
Firearm suicides caused 16,883 deaths and account 50.7% of all suicides.
Wow, what a terrible argument for gun ownership. A Yogi the Bear and Booboo "pickanick basket" feeding the bear story and some lies. Before debating with adults, please turn off Boomerang.
Troll elsewhere.
"TO MICHAEL!"
You can't trust the government! The government will one day betray its own people, quick everyone, fill up your basement which shotguns, I'm sure we stand a good fighting chance against an army of highly trained marines which carry the latest tech weapon and equipment!
Using individual events like these are poor examples in favor or against gun control.
This is an example of where owning a gun possibly saved someones life. I can mention events where lives would have been saved if gun control was enforced.
Would love for you to mention them
While already one was mentioned by another poster, I can give you another one.
A couple of months ago in germany, a 17 year old boy went to his high school and killed 15 people before he got killed in a shootout with the police. How he got the weapon?
His father was part of the local shooting club and kept guns in his house.
What about the question that the massacres are a result of "controlled" environments in which everyone is disarmed with the exception of the offender?
Do we encourage massacres, as a society, here or in Germany, when we create "gun free zones" and armed offenders slaughter us there?
Would you like to fight-back with more than mere words? What about fair fights?
What about the question that the massacres are a result of "controlled" environments in which everyone is disarmed with the exception of the offender?
Do we encourage massacres, as a society, here or in Germany, when we create "gun free zones" and armed offenders slaughter us there?
Would you like to fight-back with more than mere words? What about fair fights?
The point is that in that case, kids wouldn't be able to fight back unless you want to argue kids should carry guns as well. That would leave only teachers with a gun, and having a gun in a high school in todays society is asking for trouble.
fair fights? Gun fights are hardly fair. I believe that in the vast majority of cases, the victim never had a chance to fight back even if he had a gun.
I believe that the negative things that come from a society with no gun control far outweigth the positive cases. I don't believe for a second that people are able to handle the responsibility that comes with a firearm. We should be moving away from the Wild West, not moving towards it.
edit: changed slightly to avoid confusion.
What about the question that the massacres are a result of "controlled" environments in which everyone is disarmed with the exception of the offender?
Do we encourage massacres, as a society, here or in Germany, when we create "gun free zones" and armed offenders slaughter us there?
Would you like to fight-back with more than mere words? What about fair fights?
The point is that in that case, kids wouldn't be able to fight back unless you want to argue kids should carry guns as well. That would leave only teachers with a gun, and having a gun in a high school in todays society is asking for trouble.
fair fights? Gun fights are hardly fair. I believe that in the vast majority of cases, the victim never had a chance to fight back even if he had a gun.
I believe that the negative things that come from pro gun far outweigth the positive cases. I don't believe for a second that people are able to handle the responsibility that comes with a firearm. We should be moving away from the Wild West, not moving towards it.
Why does this sound so logical, but people just discount it so easily?
"TO MICHAEL!"
What about the question that the massacres are a result of "controlled" environments in which everyone is disarmed with the exception of the offender?
Do we encourage massacres, as a society, here or in Germany, when we create "gun free zones" and armed offenders slaughter us there?
Would you like to fight-back with more than mere words? What about fair fights?
The point is that in that case, kids wouldn't be able to fight back unless you want to argue kids should carry guns as well. That would leave only teachers with a gun, and having a gun in a high school in todays society is asking for trouble.
fair fights? Gun fights are hardly fair. I believe that in the vast majority of cases, the victim never had a chance to fight back even if he had a gun.
I believe that the negative things that come from pro gun far outweigth the positive cases. I don't believe for a second that people are able to handle the responsibility that comes with a firearm. We should be moving away from the Wild West, not moving towards it.
Why does this sound so logical, but people just discount it so easily?
That's just it, it sounds logical but it is not due to one sentence in Gameloadings post that is the real reason why people just discount it so easily.
The Brave Do Not Fear The Grave
While already one was mentioned by another poster, I can give you another one.
A couple of months ago in germany, a 17 year old boy went to his high school and killed 15 people before he got killed in a shootout with the police. How he got the weapon?
His father was part of the local shooting club and kept guns in his house.
So a seventeen year old, who was not legally allowed to be in possesion of a gun anyway, steals his father's gun and we blame the gun? Didn't his dad own a gun safe? Didn't his dad keep strict control over the access to that safe? Didn't the father teach his son early on to stay the fuck away from guns except in very controlled circumstances?
A seventeen year old boy broke the law to obtain the guns used in the massacre. This simply proves that criminals don't give a shit about words on paper. By your logic, we should all be punished because someone else may potentially use our property to commit a crime.
Do we ban cars because someone may steal a car and use it as a getaway car for a bank robbery? Do ban weedwackers and hedge trimmers because a serial killer may steal them and then commit terrible murders with them? Maybe I should apply for a license to go to the hardware store or the gas station because I could use the material purchased there to make IEDs.
For future reference, informal fallicies are bad and you should try to avoid them.
What about the question that the massacres are a result of "controlled" environments in which everyone is disarmed with the exception of the offender?
Do we encourage massacres, as a society, here or in Germany, when we create "gun free zones" and armed offenders slaughter us there?
Would you like to fight-back with more than mere words? What about fair fights?
The point is that in that case, kids wouldn't be able to fight back unless you want to argue kids should carry guns as well. That would leave only teachers with a gun, and having a gun in a high school in todays society is asking for trouble.
fair fights? Gun fights are hardly fair. I believe that in the vast majority of cases, the victim never had a chance to fight back even if he had a gun.
I believe that the negative things that come from pro gun far outweigth the positive cases. I don't believe for a second that people are able to handle the responsibility that comes with a firearm. We should be moving away from the Wild West, not moving towards it.
Why does this sound so logical, but people just discount it so easily?
Not sure what the "Logical" part is you are talking about. The "Baa, you won't be able to get to your gun and defend yourself so you might as well just face it the music and get robbed/killed" argument?
By the way, the NRA magizines have several stories every month of people defending themselves with guns. Even the biased media reports them but when it is just an old granny it is just a humorus filler. In my own experience, I would say 75%, if not more, of people where I live own guns and we don't have gun battles and accident epidemics.
High Times magazine has stories each month where people write in on how they were busted. Half are fake just like those NRA stories. People have to sell magazines, dude.
I'm betting you even thought those Penthouse forum letters were real too, right?
"Dear Penthouse,
You won't believe this, but I ended up stranded on a desert island with the Swedish Bikini Team after my plane crashed."
It's all mostly fake guy, it's all mostly fake.
And...
Holy crap, dude! You dudes need to start importing WOMEN, and stop importing guns... or someone's going to get hurt real bad soon. Either someone's going to get shot or have a serious carpal tunnel accident.
Is that a banjo I hear in the background???
"TO MICHAEL!"
My experience with guns is old men threatening to go inside and get their gun because my dog walked ont heir lawn. I saw cops arrest one of them one day