Did you just say you are going to quit DF to play GTA4?
Not to trash you personally or GTA4 but I think that sentence above says it all. It should be used as an advertisment to be honest to clearly identify the demographic of intrest here,
I cant stand the GTA series execpt for the cheats. Quest based, locked down crap that GTA series is.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
OP i do not believe it is hate directed on the game, but hate directed at the developers as the game falls miles short of what it claimed it would be. The game has essentially failed at doing what it said they would be able to do, and has left a sespool of terrible mechanics and gameplay in its wake. The developers have fooled around with peoples emotions, and people in general are upset with them for the steaming pile hat was released.
i watch the foroums quite a lot mostly on lotro and df.and in DF forums i keep seeing haters for the game!can you tell me a serious reason on why do you hate this game so much? btw havent played the game only saw some action from a friend. but it seemed good from what i saw
I dont hate the game, I havnt even played it and that is kinda the minimum to hate a game.
On the other hand I think Tasos is a moron, everythime he opens his mouth he say something stupid but that has really nothing to do with the game.
The big flame war right now is that some guy gave DF a bad review score and Tasos made the worst PR speach in gaming history. The review in itself was not that good but a lead dev should not say such things and now the flame war rage here.
But there are of course some people here that really hates the game and the fans are defending it too zealous, any critic even if well founded get flamed here and that aint helping the game either. When I said that Tasos made a bad situation worse people ask me why I hate the game, but Tasos and the game is not the same thing at all. I like EQ2 but dislike Smedley if you need something to compare with.
Basicly we got a few trolls hating and loving the game behind everything, and both sides are upsetting regular people.
i watch the foroums quite a lot mostly on lotro and df.and in DF forums i keep seeing haters for the game!can you tell me a serious reason on why do you hate this game so much? btw havent played the game only saw some action from a friend. but it seemed good from what i saw
I believe it was answered but I will repeat it again.
most people do not like DF because it promised but failed to deliver a lot of features. Various un-popular decisions and PR moves added more oil into the fire. Basically, the game is tough to sell (I don't mean physically sell) as it is. Aventurine is not helping much with the appeal of the game. Thats why it generates such an emotional responce from its player base, actual and potential.
i watch the foroums quite a lot mostly on lotro and df.and in DF forums i keep seeing haters for the game!can you tell me a serious reason on why do you hate this game so much? btw havent played the game only saw some action from a friend. but it seemed good from what i saw
I don't hate DF, it's most deffinently a thinking game and people hate it because they are not smark enough to think straight. All the retards hate darkfall. Theyre a bunch of nubs. DF RULEZ.
Flame me but DF rockx and you wil only prove my point becaise by flaming you are stuupid.
Irony.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
i watch the foroums quite a lot mostly on lotro and df.and in DF forums i keep seeing haters for the game!can you tell me a serious reason on why do you hate this game so much? btw havent played the game only saw some action from a friend. but it seemed good from what i saw
I don't hate DF, it's most deffinently a thinking game and people hate it because they are not smark enough to think straight. All the retards hate darkfall. Theyre a bunch of nubs. DF RULEZ.
Flame me but DF rockx and you wil only prove my point becaise by flaming you are stuupid.
I don't hate DF, it's most deffinently a thinking game and people hate it because they are not smark enough to think straight. All the retards hate darkfall. Theyre a bunch of nubs. DF RULEZ. Flame me but DF rockx and you wil only prove my point becaise by flaming you are stuupid.
Did you give your account to darkstar?...........or are you darkstar?
The game doesn't appeal to them and they can't understand how it can appeal to anyone else. And as if that wasn't enough, the devloper is basically telling them: "You don't like it so? You know where you can go.. You're credit card is welcome here at a time we decide and on our terms entirely"
What?! What?! WHAT?!!
It's a culture clash between an american short term way of selling an mmo (which has become the norm), in where the customer is always right to the extent that they will alter the premises of the game (and ruin it) if that only sells a few more copies, and a greek macho thing with a little norwegian weirdness mixed in.
You got people in this very thread who spend scary amounts of time online just watching for news and posts on a game they're not interested in playing, so they can stick another anti post in there. That's gotta be borderline _something_
But I'm no psychologist so all I can really say for sure is that it's intolerant, it's futile and it's sad. If anything, they're actually generating interest in the game rather than the oposite, which kinda makes it the ultimate irony.
They actively hate it cuz it's DIFFERENT. The game doesn't appeal to them and they can't understand how it can appeal to anyone else. And as if that wasn't enough, the devloper is basically telling them: "You don't like it so? You know where you can go.. You're credit card is welcome here at a time we decide and on our terms entirely" What?! What?! WHAT?!! It's a culture clash between an american short term way of selling an mmo (which has become the norm), in where the customer is always right to the extent that they will alter the premises of the game (and ruin it) if that only sells a few more copies, and a greek macho thing with a little norwegian weirdness mixed in. You got people in this very thread who spend scary amounts of time online just watching for news and posts on a game they're not interested in playing, so they can stick another anti post in there. That's gotta be borderline _something_ But I'm no psychologist so all I can really say for sure is that it's intolerant, it's futile and it's sad. If anything, they're actually generating interest in the game rather than the oposite, which kinda makes it the ultimate irony.
ok, break it down for me -- what is darkfall supposed to do? odds are, whatever you say it's there for -- it's broken, or is infested with an incredibly bad design and implementation. this includes all aspects of pvp ESPECIALLY the city/hamlet aspects.
different? no... poorly done, poorly thought out, poorly implemented and some yahoo who spends more damned time QQing about ONE BAD REVIEW than he does on doing something SIMPLE like updating their website or putting a bloody post with an etr on the server when it does its latest crash for the day.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
They actively hate it cuz it's DIFFERENT. The game doesn't appeal to them and they can't understand how it can appeal to anyone else. And as if that wasn't enough, the devloper is basically telling them: "You don't like it so? You know where you can go.. You're credit card is welcome here at a time we decide and on our terms entirely" What?! What?! WHAT?!! It's a culture clash between an american short term way of selling an mmo (which has become the norm), in where the customer is always right to the extent that they will alter the premises of the game (and ruin it) if that only sells a few more copies, and a greek macho thing with a little norwegian weirdness mixed in. You got people in this very thread who spend scary amounts of time online just watching for news and posts on a game they're not interested in playing, so they can stick another anti post in there. That's gotta be borderline _something_ But I'm no psychologist so all I can really say for sure is that it's intolerant, it's futile and it's sad. If anything, they're actually generating interest in the game rather than the oposite, which kinda makes it the ultimate irony.
Do you really believe what you wrote there?
American short term? Greek macho with a little norwegian weirdness?
Do you realize that you sound like a complete nut with a tin foil on your head? People dedicate their time to watch for DF news and post negative things about the game they are not interested in playing... for what reason? They want to bring it down? Because its different? That's crazy.
I don't listen to rap. Am I gonna find some rap-related forum and post my "dislike" there? I do not like green pepper, am I gonna find several pepper related sites and post my ranting there?
We post here, negative or positive, because we CARE. Because at one point of time we were interested in this game. Maybe some of us still are. The problem is, that we do not like some aspects of the game or the company behind it. We do not like the direction some changes are going. Maybe we do not like how the company did not deliver on what was promised. Maybe we do not like being lied to. Maybe we do not like how a legitimate business hires clowns like Tasos who make a fool out of himself (and the company).
If I had no interest in DF, I wouldn't be posting here, just like I am not posting ANYTHING in countless other MMORPGs I have absolutely no interest in. I think you watched too many X-Files, buddy. There is no conspiracy here. People talk about things that interest(ed) them. If someone likes the game, they post positive aspects of the game, showing their appreciation and encouraging others to join in the fun. If someone does not like the game, they post negative things, showing why they did not like it and informing others of their experience, so that those others do not make the same mistake. As long as people are respective to each other and their arguments are factual, there is no problem with either side.
They actively hate it cuz it's DIFFERENT. The game doesn't appeal to them and they can't understand how it can appeal to anyone else. And as if that wasn't enough, the devloper is basically telling them: "You don't like it so? You know where you can go.. You're credit card is welcome here at a time we decide and on our terms entirely" What?! What?! WHAT?!! It's a culture clash between an american short term way of selling an mmo (which has become the norm), in where the customer is always right to the extent that they will alter the premises of the game (and ruin it) if that only sells a few more copies, and a greek macho thing with a little norwegian weirdness mixed in. You got people in this very thread who spend scary amounts of time online just watching for news and posts on a game they're not interested in playing, so they can stick another anti post in there. That's gotta be borderline _something_ But I'm no psychologist so all I can really say for sure is that it's intolerant, it's futile and it's sad. If anything, they're actually generating interest in the game rather than the oposite, which kinda makes it the ultimate irony.
Some people just love to troll certain things. I think its interesting that your opinion is that trolls aren't interested in playing a certain game, but flame it mercilessly anyway.
For me, its the opposite. I post about games I genuinely am interested in, and don't joke around with excessively flaming. I tell it like it is, for good or bad.
I don't give a damn about those rape support group forums, and troll those frequently. I have nothing to do with those forums, but I get a kick out of breaking some of those poor bastards.
Its like bizarro world or something. Anyway, I think some of the trolls for Darkfall are just people who jump on a bandwagon, some are disgusted by the way the game was/is handled and are raging because of the wasted potential of the game, and some are just.. trolls.
I don't know. Just my opinion. For instance, I flame the hell out of Roma Victor because I was traumatized by how that game crashed and burned. Is it fair for me to do that? I don't know.
I highly doubt its a conspiracy of people who WANT the game to fail, however. No one on these forums has a vested interest in DF crashing out, I'm assuming.
There is no point trying to talk to the DFers, the few dedicated specials who have to stand out miles apart flashing a DF-lover sign. They are not here to talk to us, they are talking to themselves.
They do not reason, they just repeat their few meaningless words like a broken record.
Its time to let DF drop as a project for realisation, its only here as a lesson to learn about how not to get things screwed up, big time indeed. Lets hope the next game comes out better handled.
Fact is, I can't imagine how a game can screw up like DF has done, and yet, Tasos outperformed himself everyday in that aspect. Without this EG debacle, I would have stopped watching EG and started reading the other game information.
I think it is funny how everyone makes fun of the Darkfall community for being immature assholes. I went over to my friends house (WoW addict) as he was playing WoW. I told him my username here and I can only hope he reads this. But he is on a RP pvp server and is also an officer in his guild. He is in charge of all the Paladins in his guild.
Well, when one of his guildmates had just hit lvl 80 (i think, maybe a different lvl. thought it was max tho) Anyways, the guy hadn't purchased all of his new abilities yet as he had just hit max less than a couple hours beforehand. But my friend starts telling this guy how he is going to chop off the guys privates, feed them to the guys mother, make him get on his knees until he purchased his new abilities. I am just astonished how this guy could still be in the guild, let alone an officer.
If you guys want to speak of maturity you should hold a mirror to yourselves. I understand he isn't every person that plays the game, but the fans you hear of from darkfall aren't a majority of our population either. We are so defensive over our game because we would like other games to break the mold of eq, wow, war, aoc. There is no fun in playing games that are simply remakes of other games. We are fans of UO, EVE, DAoC and other games of the sort. But ever since WoW came out we have been getting rehashed version of it so companies can try hitting their numbers.
I for one am glad there is more than one type of MMO and I hope Darkfall succeeds as it would show developers that there is potential profit with a niche community. You don't have to have over a million subs to be successful. All you need is a community who is semi-happy with what they have, patient enough to wait for extra content, and faithful devs who understand what is missing.
Cooperation is only side of multiplayer game and sometimes people enjoy having a fairly fun, skilled fight instead of playing rock, paper, scissors all the time. I want to be able to cooperate with my friends and compete with others who are with their friends. I am upset with this review because it doesn't even cover the main logistics of darkfall, only mentions flaws (as they are evidently in game), and makes straight lies about somethings because he couldn't figure out how they work.
Their is a tutorial to the game, all ed had to do was click the help button on his system toolbar and it would have brought him to a page that explained how every action was performed. Their is also a bright flashy screen when you first log on that shows you all the buttons. Ed isn't retarded or anything, this just obviously isn't his style of game. When he realized this he should have mentioned to his editor he was unable to give a fair review instead of making generalizations and fabrications so he could get a paycheck. You wouldn't have a FPS junkie review and RPG, they same should apply in this situation.
I am not asking anyone here to play the game, or even to stop making fun of it. I just want people to see that just because someone doesn't play your game doesn't mean they are retarded. They have different tastes. Wait a year and if Darkfall hasn't crashed for any reasons, you may want to give the free trial a go. Try to find some people who aren't assholes who are already in game as this will make your initial experience much better.
Well, that is it. I just wanted to show you guys that there are rational fans of Darkfall and most of them are in major guilds that enjoy friendship and cooperation. Not just the forum whores who have no lives other than to make others experience on the internet a bit worse. Darkfall has a harsher world, a real world feel (large, unrestrictive, and no speed travel), great for RP'rs (as it allows them to have good days and bad days in game (as opposed to I died today but its okay cuz i just spawned five minutes away) So, good luck in whatever game you play and hopefully you have as much fun there as possible. If you get bored, come give darkfall a try (join a clan first) and you may come to enjoy it.
Edit: Most of us love the game for what it stands for: unrestricted play in an open world. To get anything done in game you have to have friends or be willing to lose tons of your time to gankers. I enjoy the danger that could be lurking around any corner and the interactions with other players that is a part of the game. It is a multiplayer game after all.
"I hope Darkfall succeeds as it would show developers that there is potential profit with a niche community." Well, everyone would hope that Kanon.... but the fact is, Darkfall pretty much succeeded in doing the opposite of that from what I've seen.
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Yeah, and we'll forever be stuck with games that try to take a great PvE experience and model every game after that. Some of us prefer competition as well as cooperation. But the games that keep coming out want every person to feel as if they are the awesomest leetest mofo on the server because his character is twinked out through experiences that cant be affected by other players and these ppl will never be off the top until the next expansion comes out and then a week later he is back to the same spot.
I just wish a UO vet had made that review and he probably would have at least gave it a 5/10. The PvP core is there but much of the fluff that makes other games great isn't there. The game is flawed (obviously) but I will give it time before I abandon ship. I played WAR and AoC for three months before I left. I was hoping they would bring back the fun in pvp, but simply found a game that I had played many times before with a different story and unfulfilled promises.
I hope MO will stick to what it says, but I highly doubt it will. But until another competitive game of its nature knocks it off, i will stay. I hate relying on numbers and statistics to win a fight. and i especially hate a lucky dice roll. My friend was telling about the ret bomb and how awesome it was, and it only succeeded in pushing me further from WoW. And then his brother started telling me about how awesome it was when 2 moonkin and a few deathknights could effective stun lock over 40 ppl and kill them all. I don't see the fun in this and I never will.
"I hope Darkfall succeeds as it would show developers that there is potential profit with a niche community." Well, everyone would hope that Kanon.... but the fact is, Darkfall pretty much succeeded in doing the opposite of that from what I've seen.
I agree that a niche game should succed, it would be very good for the genre in itself, then we might see a lot of other small games offering a different experience.
But DF isnt the only game trying this, Mortal online is trying the same thing so one of those 2 hopefully will make it. DFs problem is basicly the same as Vanguard, AoC and WAr: It released way too early. I understand that Avi was out of money but time is running out for it, it must fix all issues it have ASAP or the game will really fail.
A MMO needs a playerbase that is at least 75K to survive and Df both needs to fix the buggs it have, add more content and open up new servers now. It also needs to create a better noob experience so that people gets into it easier, or it will loose potential customers.
I still hope they can fix that but the clock is ticking. If it cant I hope MO can do it instead, but I am afraid that it will do the same thing and release way too early also. The real problem here is that making a MMO costs a lot of cash, particulary if you make your own engine for it. And cash is hard to get for small companies so they released it too early and think they fix the problems as the game runs but that makes them lose a lot of potential customers.
It may be that very soon only big companies can afford to make MMOs because of the costs. That is a bad thing but the only really succesful MMO from a small company the last 5 years is Guildwars and they have 3 of the worlds best programmers owning the company. It is a loss for us if things turn that way.
Indie company over hyped their game. Give us free trials, so we can form an opinion, instead of wasting $50 bucks to decide. From what i have seen, DF = lame... and i have been following it from forums + youtube visuals.... so far, it doesnt look good.
i watch the foroums quite a lot mostly on lotro and df.and in DF forums i keep seeing haters for the game!can you tell me a serious reason on why do you hate this game so much? btw havent played the game only saw some action from a friend. but it seemed good from what i saw
Outdated gfx engine. And this is not subjective, anyone who thinks this gfx engine is up to date for a game released 2009 does not know anything about the current gaming market.
Botched controls - In my 20 years of gaming I have to go back atleast 10 years to remember when a games controls was this unintuitive, unresponsive and just plain bad. Also why can I have only one hotbar visible? If there is a way to get more than one displayed I sure havent find any info on how to do that.
Lack of content - PvP is fun but I like other content as well and there are some goblins and stuff but the landscape is mostly empty.
Basic lack of professionalism - When I played the game they took down the servers during prime time in CET and it was down the whole evening. Now since this is a EUROPEAN game and the servers are in EUROPE there is no excuse for this behaviour other than unproffessionalism. Also the hissy fit that Tasos had over the Eurogame review was just embarrasing. I think I only seen this kind of dev behaviour from devs of games like Dark And Light and Mourning.
Forced 1st person view but only for archers and mages. Melees get some kind of 3rd person view but it is pretty bad. Some think this is a "feature" I think it just make the game limited.
Quest descruiption in piss poor english - Not a huge issue but really, how hard can it be for them to hire someone to have a sanity check of these descriptions?
Tons of lack of features - Their web site is promising everything and more but about half of all that is not in the game. Being too lazy to update your web site is not an excuse for this because most people will, correctly, assume that the info on a games web site should be up to date.
Bad combat - Heard this is FPS style combat but I have played alot of FPS and few have had this boring and unimaginative combat
No variety in different builds - Having a skill based system is not a recipe for success by itself. It needs to be balanced and tested as well and Darkfall system isnt. Basically everyone is a melee and most of those have some archery and magic so in other words there is only one viable build and that is melee/archer/mages hybrids.
Outdated gfx engine. And this is not subjective, anyone who thinks this gfx engine is up to date for a game released 2009 does not know anything about the current gaming market. Botched controls - In my 20 years of gaming I have to go back atleast 10 years to remember when a games controls was this unintuitive, unresponsive and just plain bad. Also why can I have only one hotbar visible? If there is a way to get more than one displayed I sure havent find any info on how to do that. Lack of content - PvP is fun but I like other content as well and there are some goblins and stuff but the landscape is mostly empty. Basic lack of professionalism - When I played the game they took down the servers during prime time in CET and it was down the whole evening. Now since this is a EUROPEAN game and the servers are in EUROPE there is no excuse for this behaviour other than unproffessionalism. Also the hissy fit that Tasos had over the Eurogame review was just embarrasing. I think I only seen this kind of dev behaviour from devs of games like Dark And Light and Mourning. Forced 1st person view but only for archers and mages. Melees get some kind of 3rd person view but it is pretty bad. Some think this is a "feature" I think it just make the game limited. Quest descruiption in piss poor english - Not a huge issue but really, how hard can it be for them to hire someone to have a sanity check of these descriptions? Tons of lack of features - Their web site is promising everything and more but about half of all that is not in the game. Being too lazy to update your web site is not an excuse for this because most people will, correctly, assume that the info on a games web site should be up to date. Bad combat - Heard this is FPS style combat but I have played alot of FPS and few have had this boring and unimaginative combat No variety in different builds - Having a skill based system is not a recipe for success by itself. It needs to be balanced and tested as well and Darkfall system isnt. Basically everyone is a melee and most of those have some archery and magic so in other words there is only one viable build and that is melee/archer/mages hybrids.
1) Graphics aren't great but they allow for lower end computers to handle larger numbers on screen. Graphics don't make a game, they may define part of it but no game should be based off of this.
2) It took me a whopping 5 minutes to get used to the control scheme and i didn't get any of the beta cake. As for the hotbars, can you not remember what buttons you have set those abilities to? or do you have to look at your screen everytime you need to use something?
3) There isn't a lot in the world so it feels like a real world. I will admit much is left out due to being unfinished, but i enjoy the fact there isn't some baddie sitting behind every tree for some odd reason. I take 30 minutes to drive to the next city over and i don't see 40 dear, 20 bears, 12 wolves, 170 other people, and a village that has been on fire for the last 5 years...
4) It is kind of refreshing to see a company act like human beings. It shows they aren't necessarily concerned only with the money. They are willing to put not only their business but their name on the line for this game. As for the server downtime, I am not sure of the reason honestly. You win there.
5) Range has the advantage of being able to hit over a distance and melee has a wider los to compensate. Where's the problem in that?
6)Who wants to do quests anyways? I know i'm not here for that reason. In other words you win, but in a small, small way.
7) Yes things are missing, but i hear that some games can patch themselves and add more content once its ready. They still plan on having most of whats in there. Maybe they should mention it isn't ready yet, but the ideas are still in the making. (some of them) This is one of the downsides of supporting a company that doesn't have other IP's to keep them afloat while they dump in more money to improve the game.
8) Thats your opinion. I find the combat better than facerolling the keyboard for a win.
9) god forbid your characters abilities be based off the skill you have instead of the skills your character doesn't. Since everybody is the same it allows anybody to be competitive against anyone.
p.s. The game does have its flaws and i'm not here to say it doesn't. But there are people who enjoy the game and talk about the positives without their reasons being 'stfu. uz not hardcoer enuf. u doesnt like becuz u suxorz and were looted to many times."
I think if Tasos hadnt hyped DF up to the point he had, there wouldnt be such a 'told you so' backlash against it. Tasos promised the world and the fans said 'in your face' to everyone else, but once the game released the truth came out that it was just an amatuer shell of a game. If it had been hyped for what it is, then I guess people wouldnt be so willing to come here and gloat. But claiming that your combat and AI is a revolution in MMO gaming and that your product is more polished and feature complete than any other recent MMO and then delivering this, its no surprise people are either pissed off or just here for a laugh.
1) Graphics aren't great but they allow for lower end computers to handle larger numbers on screen. Graphics don't make a game, they may define part of it but no game should be based off of this. Graphics are important for games. To say anything less is to not know the industry. 2) It took me a whopping 5 minutes to get used to the control scheme and i didn't get any of the beta cake. As for the hotbars, can you not remember what buttons you have set those abilities to? or do you have to look at your screen everytime you need to use something? Drivel. You are not saying anything beside I am good and you are not. Doesn't take away the fact that the controls are bad, regardless of you thinking that you are better than me or not. 3) There isn't a lot in the world so it feels like a real world. I will admit much is left out due to being unfinished, but i enjoy the fact there isn't some baddie sitting behind every tree for some odd reason. I take 30 minutes to drive to the next city over and i don't see 40 dear, 20 bears, 12 wolves, 170 other people, and a village that has been on fire for the last 5 years... haha, not heard this one before. The lack of content is what makes it feel like a real world LOL, you fanbots crack me up. 4) It is kind of refreshing to see a company act like human beings. It shows they aren't necessarily concerned only with the money. They are willing to put not only their business but their name on the line for this game. As for the server downtime, I am not sure of the reason honestly. You win there. Human beings? I work as a software developer and acting like they have done and using being human being as excuse does not cut it. Their behaviour has been anything but professional and customers pick up on that. 5) Range has the advantage of being able to hit over a distance and melee has a wider los to compensate. Where's the problem in that? The problem is that forced 1st person view is something that no MMORPG has ever tried before. I wonder why that is. Could it be because the massive majority of players does not like it because it works worse than 3rd person view? Why other is it forced if it works just as good as 3rd person view? 6)Who wants to do quests anyways? I know i'm not here for that reason. In other words you win, but in a small, small way. If you can't do it properly, or your playerbase does not want it, then why have it in the game at all? Just makes you look bad to have a bunch of quests with poor english. Again, unproffesional. 7) Yes things are missing, but i hear that some games can patch themselves and add more content once its ready. They still plan on having most of whats in there. Maybe they should mention it isn't ready yet, but the ideas are still in the making. (some of them) This is one of the downsides of supporting a company that doesn't have other IP's to keep them afloat while they dump in more money to improve the game. Even though it is common for MMORPGs to cut down on features, what we see in Darkfall is just extreme. I mean, over half of the stuff on their web site is not in the game, not just one or two stuff HALF. 8) Thats your opinion. I find the combat better than facerolling the keyboard for a win. Yeah because "facerolling the keyboard for a win" is what modern FPS games are like... 9) god forbid your characters abilities be based off the skill you have instead of the skills your character doesn't. Since everybody is the same it allows anybody to be competitive against anyone. So what? That is unresponsive to what I said. The problem is that there is only one viable build and you are saying that is good because then everyone are competetive? My good, then why not just give everyone the same class and be done with it? The point of a skill based system is that it, theoretically, gives room for many, many different combinations. However in reality that works only for a balanced and well tested skill based game, which Darkfall is not. p.s. The game does have its flaws and i'm not here to say it doesn't. But there are people who enjoy the game and talk about the positives without their reasons being 'stfu. uz not hardcoer enuf. u doesnt like becuz u suxorz and were looted to many times." There are people who enjoy being shit and pissed on. That is not an argument for something being good. However, I will give you credit for not being like the scores of other Darkfall fans that respond in the way you described.
i watch the foroums quite a lot mostly on lotro and df.and in DF forums i keep seeing haters for the game!can you tell me a serious reason on why do you hate this game so much? btw havent played the game only saw some action from a friend. but it seemed good from what i saw
If you like professional developers and MMOs, you have to hate Darkfall and Aventurine.
i watch the foroums quite a lot mostly on lotro and df.and in DF forums i keep seeing haters for the game!can you tell me a serious reason on why do you hate this game so much? btw havent played the game only saw some action from a friend. but it seemed good from what i saw
Well if you like a liar like Tasos will you support them? Tasos tactics are tasteless..The game is not near what it should be.But Taos charges full price regardless..
Dose anyone here really know that the game is FULLY released? Did Tasos say the game is fully released or is it still in Beta?You never get a refund if the game is still in beta.But you can when the game is Fully released if it does not live up to what it said it will do..Hint hint...
Some people rob you at gun point..Others will rob you at "Ball Point Pen"
They actively hate it cuz it's DIFFERENT. The game doesn't appeal to them and they can't understand how it can appeal to anyone else. And as if that wasn't enough, the devloper is basically telling them: "You don't like it so? You know where you can go.. You're credit card is welcome here at a time we decide and on our terms entirely" What?! What?! WHAT?!! It's a culture clash between an american short term way of selling an mmo (which has become the norm), in where the customer is always right to the extent that they will alter the premises of the game (and ruin it) if that only sells a few more copies, and a greek macho thing with a little norwegian weirdness mixed in. You got people in this very thread who spend scary amounts of time online just watching for news and posts on a game they're not interested in playing, so they can stick another anti post in there. That's gotta be borderline _something_ But I'm no psychologist so all I can really say for sure is that it's intolerant, it's futile and it's sad. If anything, they're actually generating interest in the game rather than the oposite, which kinda makes it the ultimate irony.
Do you really believe what you wrote there?
American short term? Greek macho with a little norwegian weirdness?
Do you realize that you sound like a complete nut with a tin foil on your head? People dedicate their time to watch for DF news and post negative things about the game they are not interested in playing... for what reason? They want to bring it down? Because its different? That's crazy.
I don't listen to rap. Am I gonna find some rap-related forum and post my "dislike" there? I do not like green pepper, am I gonna find several pepper related sites and post my ranting there?
We post here, negative or positive, because we CARE. Because at one point of time we were interested in this game. Maybe some of us still are. The problem is, that we do not like some aspects of the game or the company behind it. We do not like the direction some changes are going. Maybe we do not like how the company did not deliver on what was promised. Maybe we do not like being lied to. Maybe we do not like how a legitimate business hires clowns like Tasos who make a fool out of himself (and the company).
If I had no interest in DF, I wouldn't be posting here, just like I am not posting ANYTHING in countless other MMORPGs I have absolutely no interest in. I think you watched too many X-Files, buddy. There is no conspiracy here. People talk about things that interest(ed) them. If someone likes the game, they post positive aspects of the game, showing their appreciation and encouraging others to join in the fun. If someone does not like the game, they post negative things, showing why they did not like it and informing others of their experience, so that those others do not make the same mistake. As long as people are respective to each other and their arguments are factual, there is no problem with either side.
He hit the nail on the head the conspiracy theories are just insane on these sites.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
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Did you just say you are going to quit DF to play GTA4?
Not to trash you personally or GTA4 but I think that sentence above says it all. It should be used as an advertisment to be honest to clearly identify the demographic of intrest here,
I cant stand the GTA series execpt for the cheats. Quest based, locked down crap that GTA series is.
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OP i do not believe it is hate directed on the game, but hate directed at the developers as the game falls miles short of what it claimed it would be. The game has essentially failed at doing what it said they would be able to do, and has left a sespool of terrible mechanics and gameplay in its wake. The developers have fooled around with peoples emotions, and people in general are upset with them for the steaming pile hat was released.
I dont hate the game, I havnt even played it and that is kinda the minimum to hate a game.
On the other hand I think Tasos is a moron, everythime he opens his mouth he say something stupid but that has really nothing to do with the game.
The big flame war right now is that some guy gave DF a bad review score and Tasos made the worst PR speach in gaming history. The review in itself was not that good but a lead dev should not say such things and now the flame war rage here.
But there are of course some people here that really hates the game and the fans are defending it too zealous, any critic even if well founded get flamed here and that aint helping the game either. When I said that Tasos made a bad situation worse people ask me why I hate the game, but Tasos and the game is not the same thing at all. I like EQ2 but dislike Smedley if you need something to compare with.
Basicly we got a few trolls hating and loving the game behind everything, and both sides are upsetting regular people.
I believe it was answered but I will repeat it again.
most people do not like DF because it promised but failed to deliver a lot of features. Various un-popular decisions and PR moves added more oil into the fire. Basically, the game is tough to sell (I don't mean physically sell) as it is. Aventurine is not helping much with the appeal of the game. Thats why it generates such an emotional responce from its player base, actual and potential.
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I don't hate DF, it's most deffinently a thinking game and people hate it because they are not smark enough to think straight. All the retards hate darkfall. Theyre a bunch of nubs. DF RULEZ.
Flame me but DF rockx and you wil only prove my point becaise by flaming you are stuupid.
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I don't hate DF, it's most deffinently a thinking game and people hate it because they are not smark enough to think straight. All the retards hate darkfall. Theyre a bunch of nubs. DF RULEZ.
Flame me but DF rockx and you wil only prove my point becaise by flaming you are stuupid.
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They actively hate it cuz it's DIFFERENT.
The game doesn't appeal to them and they can't understand how it can appeal to anyone else. And as if that wasn't enough, the devloper is basically telling them: "You don't like it so? You know where you can go.. You're credit card is welcome here at a time we decide and on our terms entirely"
What?! What?! WHAT?!!
It's a culture clash between an american short term way of selling an mmo (which has become the norm), in where the customer is always right to the extent that they will alter the premises of the game (and ruin it) if that only sells a few more copies, and a greek macho thing with a little norwegian weirdness mixed in.
You got people in this very thread who spend scary amounts of time online just watching for news and posts on a game they're not interested in playing, so they can stick another anti post in there. That's gotta be borderline _something_
But I'm no psychologist so all I can really say for sure is that it's intolerant, it's futile and it's sad. If anything, they're actually generating interest in the game rather than the oposite, which kinda makes it the ultimate irony.
ok, break it down for me -- what is darkfall supposed to do? odds are, whatever you say it's there for -- it's broken, or is infested with an incredibly bad design and implementation. this includes all aspects of pvp ESPECIALLY the city/hamlet aspects.
different? no... poorly done, poorly thought out, poorly implemented and some yahoo who spends more damned time QQing about ONE BAD REVIEW than he does on doing something SIMPLE like updating their website or putting a bloody post with an etr on the server when it does its latest crash for the day.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Do you really believe what you wrote there?
American short term? Greek macho with a little norwegian weirdness?
Do you realize that you sound like a complete nut with a tin foil on your head? People dedicate their time to watch for DF news and post negative things about the game they are not interested in playing... for what reason? They want to bring it down? Because its different? That's crazy.
I don't listen to rap. Am I gonna find some rap-related forum and post my "dislike" there? I do not like green pepper, am I gonna find several pepper related sites and post my ranting there?
We post here, negative or positive, because we CARE. Because at one point of time we were interested in this game. Maybe some of us still are. The problem is, that we do not like some aspects of the game or the company behind it. We do not like the direction some changes are going. Maybe we do not like how the company did not deliver on what was promised. Maybe we do not like being lied to. Maybe we do not like how a legitimate business hires clowns like Tasos who make a fool out of himself (and the company).
If I had no interest in DF, I wouldn't be posting here, just like I am not posting ANYTHING in countless other MMORPGs I have absolutely no interest in. I think you watched too many X-Files, buddy. There is no conspiracy here. People talk about things that interest(ed) them. If someone likes the game, they post positive aspects of the game, showing their appreciation and encouraging others to join in the fun. If someone does not like the game, they post negative things, showing why they did not like it and informing others of their experience, so that those others do not make the same mistake. As long as people are respective to each other and their arguments are factual, there is no problem with either side.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Some people just love to troll certain things. I think its interesting that your opinion is that trolls aren't interested in playing a certain game, but flame it mercilessly anyway.
For me, its the opposite. I post about games I genuinely am interested in, and don't joke around with excessively flaming. I tell it like it is, for good or bad.
I don't give a damn about those rape support group forums, and troll those frequently. I have nothing to do with those forums, but I get a kick out of breaking some of those poor bastards.
Its like bizarro world or something. Anyway, I think some of the trolls for Darkfall are just people who jump on a bandwagon, some are disgusted by the way the game was/is handled and are raging because of the wasted potential of the game, and some are just.. trolls.
I don't know. Just my opinion. For instance, I flame the hell out of Roma Victor because I was traumatized by how that game crashed and burned. Is it fair for me to do that? I don't know.
I highly doubt its a conspiracy of people who WANT the game to fail, however. No one on these forums has a vested interest in DF crashing out, I'm assuming.
jimmy, egotrip, Mrblood ... never mind.
There is no point trying to talk to the DFers, the few dedicated specials who have to stand out miles apart flashing a DF-lover sign. They are not here to talk to us, they are talking to themselves.
They do not reason, they just repeat their few meaningless words like a broken record.
Its time to let DF drop as a project for realisation, its only here as a lesson to learn about how not to get things screwed up, big time indeed. Lets hope the next game comes out better handled.
Fact is, I can't imagine how a game can screw up like DF has done, and yet, Tasos outperformed himself everyday in that aspect. Without this EG debacle, I would have stopped watching EG and started reading the other game information.
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I think it is funny how everyone makes fun of the Darkfall community for being immature assholes. I went over to my friends house (WoW addict) as he was playing WoW. I told him my username here and I can only hope he reads this. But he is on a RP pvp server and is also an officer in his guild. He is in charge of all the Paladins in his guild.
Well, when one of his guildmates had just hit lvl 80 (i think, maybe a different lvl. thought it was max tho) Anyways, the guy hadn't purchased all of his new abilities yet as he had just hit max less than a couple hours beforehand. But my friend starts telling this guy how he is going to chop off the guys privates, feed them to the guys mother, make him get on his knees until he purchased his new abilities. I am just astonished how this guy could still be in the guild, let alone an officer.
If you guys want to speak of maturity you should hold a mirror to yourselves. I understand he isn't every person that plays the game, but the fans you hear of from darkfall aren't a majority of our population either. We are so defensive over our game because we would like other games to break the mold of eq, wow, war, aoc. There is no fun in playing games that are simply remakes of other games. We are fans of UO, EVE, DAoC and other games of the sort. But ever since WoW came out we have been getting rehashed version of it so companies can try hitting their numbers.
I for one am glad there is more than one type of MMO and I hope Darkfall succeeds as it would show developers that there is potential profit with a niche community. You don't have to have over a million subs to be successful. All you need is a community who is semi-happy with what they have, patient enough to wait for extra content, and faithful devs who understand what is missing.
Cooperation is only side of multiplayer game and sometimes people enjoy having a fairly fun, skilled fight instead of playing rock, paper, scissors all the time. I want to be able to cooperate with my friends and compete with others who are with their friends. I am upset with this review because it doesn't even cover the main logistics of darkfall, only mentions flaws (as they are evidently in game), and makes straight lies about somethings because he couldn't figure out how they work.
Their is a tutorial to the game, all ed had to do was click the help button on his system toolbar and it would have brought him to a page that explained how every action was performed. Their is also a bright flashy screen when you first log on that shows you all the buttons. Ed isn't retarded or anything, this just obviously isn't his style of game. When he realized this he should have mentioned to his editor he was unable to give a fair review instead of making generalizations and fabrications so he could get a paycheck. You wouldn't have a FPS junkie review and RPG, they same should apply in this situation.
I am not asking anyone here to play the game, or even to stop making fun of it. I just want people to see that just because someone doesn't play your game doesn't mean they are retarded. They have different tastes. Wait a year and if Darkfall hasn't crashed for any reasons, you may want to give the free trial a go. Try to find some people who aren't assholes who are already in game as this will make your initial experience much better.
Well, that is it. I just wanted to show you guys that there are rational fans of Darkfall and most of them are in major guilds that enjoy friendship and cooperation. Not just the forum whores who have no lives other than to make others experience on the internet a bit worse. Darkfall has a harsher world, a real world feel (large, unrestrictive, and no speed travel), great for RP'rs (as it allows them to have good days and bad days in game (as opposed to I died today but its okay cuz i just spawned five minutes away) So, good luck in whatever game you play and hopefully you have as much fun there as possible. If you get bored, come give darkfall a try (join a clan first) and you may come to enjoy it.
Edit: Most of us love the game for what it stands for: unrestricted play in an open world. To get anything done in game you have to have friends or be willing to lose tons of your time to gankers. I enjoy the danger that could be lurking around any corner and the interactions with other players that is a part of the game. It is a multiplayer game after all.
"I hope Darkfall succeeds as it would show developers that there is potential profit with a niche community." Well, everyone would hope that Kanon.... but the fact is, Darkfall pretty much succeeded in doing the opposite of that from what I've seen.
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Yeah, and we'll forever be stuck with games that try to take a great PvE experience and model every game after that. Some of us prefer competition as well as cooperation. But the games that keep coming out want every person to feel as if they are the awesomest leetest mofo on the server because his character is twinked out through experiences that cant be affected by other players and these ppl will never be off the top until the next expansion comes out and then a week later he is back to the same spot.
I just wish a UO vet had made that review and he probably would have at least gave it a 5/10. The PvP core is there but much of the fluff that makes other games great isn't there. The game is flawed (obviously) but I will give it time before I abandon ship. I played WAR and AoC for three months before I left. I was hoping they would bring back the fun in pvp, but simply found a game that I had played many times before with a different story and unfulfilled promises.
I hope MO will stick to what it says, but I highly doubt it will. But until another competitive game of its nature knocks it off, i will stay. I hate relying on numbers and statistics to win a fight. and i especially hate a lucky dice roll. My friend was telling about the ret bomb and how awesome it was, and it only succeeded in pushing me further from WoW. And then his brother started telling me about how awesome it was when 2 moonkin and a few deathknights could effective stun lock over 40 ppl and kill them all. I don't see the fun in this and I never will.
I agree that a niche game should succed, it would be very good for the genre in itself, then we might see a lot of other small games offering a different experience.
But DF isnt the only game trying this, Mortal online is trying the same thing so one of those 2 hopefully will make it. DFs problem is basicly the same as Vanguard, AoC and WAr: It released way too early. I understand that Avi was out of money but time is running out for it, it must fix all issues it have ASAP or the game will really fail.
A MMO needs a playerbase that is at least 75K to survive and Df both needs to fix the buggs it have, add more content and open up new servers now. It also needs to create a better noob experience so that people gets into it easier, or it will loose potential customers.
I still hope they can fix that but the clock is ticking. If it cant I hope MO can do it instead, but I am afraid that it will do the same thing and release way too early also. The real problem here is that making a MMO costs a lot of cash, particulary if you make your own engine for it. And cash is hard to get for small companies so they released it too early and think they fix the problems as the game runs but that makes them lose a lot of potential customers.
It may be that very soon only big companies can afford to make MMOs because of the costs. That is a bad thing but the only really succesful MMO from a small company the last 5 years is Guildwars and they have 3 of the worlds best programmers owning the company. It is a loss for us if things turn that way.
Indie company over hyped their game. Give us free trials, so we can form an opinion, instead of wasting $50 bucks to decide. From what i have seen, DF = lame... and i have been following it from forums + youtube visuals.... so far, it doesnt look good.
People like to argue.
I'm loving DF btw. It either is or isnt your game, depends what mindset you go in it with.
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1) Graphics aren't great but they allow for lower end computers to handle larger numbers on screen. Graphics don't make a game, they may define part of it but no game should be based off of this.
2) It took me a whopping 5 minutes to get used to the control scheme and i didn't get any of the beta cake. As for the hotbars, can you not remember what buttons you have set those abilities to? or do you have to look at your screen everytime you need to use something?
3) There isn't a lot in the world so it feels like a real world. I will admit much is left out due to being unfinished, but i enjoy the fact there isn't some baddie sitting behind every tree for some odd reason. I take 30 minutes to drive to the next city over and i don't see 40 dear, 20 bears, 12 wolves, 170 other people, and a village that has been on fire for the last 5 years...
4) It is kind of refreshing to see a company act like human beings. It shows they aren't necessarily concerned only with the money. They are willing to put not only their business but their name on the line for this game. As for the server downtime, I am not sure of the reason honestly. You win there.
5) Range has the advantage of being able to hit over a distance and melee has a wider los to compensate. Where's the problem in that?
6)Who wants to do quests anyways? I know i'm not here for that reason. In other words you win, but in a small, small way.
7) Yes things are missing, but i hear that some games can patch themselves and add more content once its ready. They still plan on having most of whats in there. Maybe they should mention it isn't ready yet, but the ideas are still in the making. (some of them) This is one of the downsides of supporting a company that doesn't have other IP's to keep them afloat while they dump in more money to improve the game.
8) Thats your opinion. I find the combat better than facerolling the keyboard for a win.
9) god forbid your characters abilities be based off the skill you have instead of the skills your character doesn't. Since everybody is the same it allows anybody to be competitive against anyone.
p.s. The game does have its flaws and i'm not here to say it doesn't. But there are people who enjoy the game and talk about the positives without their reasons being 'stfu. uz not hardcoer enuf. u doesnt like becuz u suxorz and were looted to many times."
I think if Tasos hadnt hyped DF up to the point he had, there wouldnt be such a 'told you so' backlash against it. Tasos promised the world and the fans said 'in your face' to everyone else, but once the game released the truth came out that it was just an amatuer shell of a game. If it had been hyped for what it is, then I guess people wouldnt be so willing to come here and gloat. But claiming that your combat and AI is a revolution in MMO gaming and that your product is more polished and feature complete than any other recent MMO and then delivering this, its no surprise people are either pissed off or just here for a laugh.
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If you like professional developers and MMOs, you have to hate Darkfall and Aventurine.
Well if you like a liar like Tasos will you support them? Tasos tactics are tasteless..The game is not near what it should be.But Taos charges full price regardless..
Dose anyone here really know that the game is FULLY released? Did Tasos say the game is fully released or is it still in Beta?You never get a refund if the game is still in beta.But you can when the game is Fully released if it does not live up to what it said it will do..Hint hint...
Some people rob you at gun point..Others will rob you at "Ball Point Pen"
Do you really believe what you wrote there?
American short term? Greek macho with a little norwegian weirdness?
Do you realize that you sound like a complete nut with a tin foil on your head? People dedicate their time to watch for DF news and post negative things about the game they are not interested in playing... for what reason? They want to bring it down? Because its different? That's crazy.
I don't listen to rap. Am I gonna find some rap-related forum and post my "dislike" there? I do not like green pepper, am I gonna find several pepper related sites and post my ranting there?
We post here, negative or positive, because we CARE. Because at one point of time we were interested in this game. Maybe some of us still are. The problem is, that we do not like some aspects of the game or the company behind it. We do not like the direction some changes are going. Maybe we do not like how the company did not deliver on what was promised. Maybe we do not like being lied to. Maybe we do not like how a legitimate business hires clowns like Tasos who make a fool out of himself (and the company).
If I had no interest in DF, I wouldn't be posting here, just like I am not posting ANYTHING in countless other MMORPGs I have absolutely no interest in. I think you watched too many X-Files, buddy. There is no conspiracy here. People talk about things that interest(ed) them. If someone likes the game, they post positive aspects of the game, showing their appreciation and encouraging others to join in the fun. If someone does not like the game, they post negative things, showing why they did not like it and informing others of their experience, so that those others do not make the same mistake. As long as people are respective to each other and their arguments are factual, there is no problem with either side.
He hit the nail on the head the conspiracy theories are just insane on these sites.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....