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This just in...TCG exapansion #3
Valeran
Member Posts: 925
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?&topic_id=924948
20 more loot cards...come try your luck of the lottery draw.
Do any of the funds from the TCG go back into the game?
My opinion is a resounding NO.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
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One current player's comments seem to summarize the situation accurately:
"Unfortunately like I'm sure you have gathered, the TCG system makes them more cash. If they can keep people buying packs like crazy, that more then makes up for the subs they could lose as a result. I don't like it either. I'd rather see effort = reward rather then $$$ and luck = the best loot, vehicles, structures, etc. That's the reality I'm afraid." (from the same link as the O.P.)
That's straight from a current player; I have nothing to add.
It wouldn't be a problem is they were schematics and SOE addec great rewards in the game. The problem is all the kool items are being added in by paying for them via loot cards and again crafters get the shaft because they don't get to craft the kool new items. So basically now the person with the most money wins where as the honest people who want to play the game to get the items lose out cause shit all is being added in the actual game like these items in the loot cards.
The problem is the NGE crowd love all this because they get to just throw money at it and get them instantly and then stand outside Mos eisley going "look at my kool new items" which is pathetic. I just don't understand how developers don't take into account the effect things have on a virtual world.
The people complaining on the forums should just quit like the rest of us, if you ain't happy then show SOE with the loss of your subscription because complaining on the forum giving them $15 a month ain't gonna help.
lol moved to the veteran refuge cause it has posts that say bad about the game and the mods are SWG fanbois.
I don't know how long it is going to take some players to realise this is the future for soe games. It was said a long time ago when they first introduced this type of garbage and some people were tripping over themselves to make excuses about how it wouldn't turn out that way.
SOE sure has enough time to crank out content for card games, real money transactions subsystems to the game and all manner of other direct payment content. They just never realize where all the development time for that comes from.
They really hate the community of this game to the point the Dev's them selves want to destroy whats left of SWG so theres not even a faded memory or what it used to have potential for now its a Shitty WoW clone with a Randomized Item Shop.
Go SOE should retitle it StarWars a Taste of Korea.
Mortal Online/EarthRise/Project V13
TheVindicators.com
Why was this post moved from General? This is a CURRENT gameplay discussion item.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
strange. this really is current not vet related.
strange. this really is current not vet related.
unfortunately, i am under the impression that some of us are being moderated by our name rather than by what we post. If BadgerSmacker had made this same post over at the general it would still be there.
One current player's comments seem to summarize the situation accurately:
"Unfortunately like I'm sure you have gathered, the TCG system makes them more cash. If they can keep people buying packs like crazy, that more then makes up for the subs they could lose as a result. I don't like it either. I'd rather see effort = reward rather then $$$ and luck = the best loot, vehicles, structures, etc. That's the reality I'm afraid." (from the same link as the O.P.)
That's straight from a current player; I have nothing to add.
The card game is the only chance SWG has to survive TOR's release. The current players should be buying all the card packs they can afford, instead of whining about the loot cards.
The card game gets 20+ new items every couple months, while the horrible main game gets one or two new items every few months. The update items have little to no effort into making them worthwhile because the developers don't think the playerbase will be happy with them anyway, so why bother trying? SOE isn't focusing on the card game loot items just to piss off the playerbase, though it wouldn't surprise me if it was a factor. They are doing it because the loot cards generate revenue. The person who dumps $50/month into card packs is much less likely to cancel their sub than the folks just paying their monthly fee and expecting some sort of effort put into the game by the developers.
At any rate, with the cancelation of MxO, SWG's future is shakey at best. MxO's cancelation is a change in strategy for SOE, who used to hype the fact that they still had several dead games among their service as some sort of badge of honor. For any current player who doesn't want the SWG to follow MxO into the dustbin, break out the credit card and start buying all the card packs you can afford, because the game is still horrible enough that you can't count on the subscriptions rising to a sustainable level. TOR will give SOE/LEC the cover to claim their destroying the game wasn't what killed it, so they can dump it and remain safely in denial. The TCG is your only hope.
I've logged in from time to time since the TCG came out, and I'm really not hearing any dissent from players. Granted I'm playing on Star Sider, the most populous server. Having taken into consideration that Blizzard has done this with the World of Warcraft trading card game for a while, along with the other obvious money grabs, I have seen little to no opposition. I think all of the people who dislike SOE are just using this as a new platform to vent. Where was the hate when Champions of Norrath came out? I must have missed it.
Now I can't to be quoted a dozen times by the same person.
Problem is WoW and EQ have content and expansions giving players kool things so TCG doens't matter. In SWG all the new kool items are TCG and seeing as the game was based on crafters they got the shaft with the NGE and now getting the shaft for items they should be crafting.
SWG is a different kind of game to EQ and WoW.
Yobviously have not reviewed the SWG oboards concerning TCG...oh thats right...the moderators there delete/moderate any TCG thread...
This has been covered many times...Wow's TCG and SWG's TCG is comparing apples and oranges....please do your homework.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
Yobviously have not reviewed the SWG oboards concerning TCG...oh thats right...the moderators there delete/moderate any TCG thread...
This has been covered many times...Wow's TCG and SWG's TCG is comparing apples and oranges....please do your homework.
Ok, so people buy trading card packs with hopes of getting in game loot and maybe playing the card game for both Warcraft and SWG. What's the difference? Is it because there's a third party making WoW's cards and Blizzard taking a cut out of each purchace? I know there's going to be some logic behind these threads, but I really find it hard to see anything but covert nerd rage.
I practic TCG every day two hours a day. One day Im very good and will beat u. But u dont know cards cause u dun have mony.
some of today's most heated posts at the obaords:
Appease the Non-TCG players
3rd TCG Expansion Announced
how do CARDS get more expansions then the game
btw - the only time ive seen player dissent from anything in-game is when everyone camped outside Theeds starport to complain at the NGE. Otherwise, people take their frustration to the forums (that's what they're for usually - to provide feedback).
Yobviously have not reviewed the SWG oboards concerning TCG...oh thats right...the moderators there delete/moderate any TCG thread...
This has been covered many times...Wow's TCG and SWG's TCG is comparing apples and oranges....please do your homework.
Ok, so people buy trading card packs with hopes of getting in game loot and maybe playing the card game for both Warcraft and SWG. What's the difference? Is it because there's a third party making WoW's cards and Blizzard taking a cut out of each purchace? I know there's going to be some logic behind these threads, but I really find it hard to see anything but covert nerd rage.
do your own homework...SWG TCG and WoW TCG are completely different beasts.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
Yobviously have not reviewed the SWG oboards concerning TCG...oh thats right...the moderators there delete/moderate any TCG thread...
This has been covered many times...Wow's TCG and SWG's TCG is comparing apples and oranges....please do your homework.
Ok, so people buy trading card packs with hopes of getting in game loot and maybe playing the card game for both Warcraft and SWG. What's the difference? Is it because there's a third party making WoW's cards and Blizzard taking a cut out of each purchace? I know there's going to be some logic behind these threads, but I really find it hard to see anything but covert nerd rage.
do your own homework...SWG TCG and WoW TCG are completely different beasts.
Why would I even accept that as an answer? How hard is it to explain the simple differences between the two if they're so profoundly different?
Yobviously have not reviewed the SWG oboards concerning TCG...oh thats right...the moderators there delete/moderate any TCG thread...
This has been covered many times...Wow's TCG and SWG's TCG is comparing apples and oranges....please do your homework.
Ok, so people buy trading card packs with hopes of getting in game loot and maybe playing the card game for both Warcraft and SWG. What's the difference? Is it because there's a third party making WoW's cards and Blizzard taking a cut out of each purchace? I know there's going to be some logic behind these threads, but I really find it hard to see anything but covert nerd rage.
do your own homework...SWG TCG and WoW TCG are completely different beasts.
Why would I even accept that as an answer? How hard is it to explain the simple differences between the two if they're so profoundly different?
whether you accept it or not makes me no difference...it has been answered on this very board many times. Search for it or don't. Look for a post by archangel
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
Yobviously have not reviewed the SWG oboards concerning TCG...oh thats right...the moderators there delete/moderate any TCG thread...
This has been covered many times...Wow's TCG and SWG's TCG is comparing apples and oranges....please do your homework.
Ok, so people buy trading card packs with hopes of getting in game loot and maybe playing the card game for both Warcraft and SWG. What's the difference? Is it because there's a third party making WoW's cards and Blizzard taking a cut out of each purchace? I know there's going to be some logic behind these threads, but I really find it hard to see anything but covert nerd rage.
do your own homework...SWG TCG and WoW TCG are completely different beasts.
Why would I even accept that as an answer? How hard is it to explain the simple differences between the two if they're so profoundly different?
whether you accept it or not makes me no difference...it has been answered on this very board many times. Search for it or don't. Look for a post by archangel
So are you telling me that you're not quite sure what the differences are? If you're going to counterpoint a post, at least do the poster a favor and let them know why they're wrong instead of just shouting out points from a thread tlong passed. The bottom line is, a cash grab is a cash grab, no matter how you look at it.
Yobviously have not reviewed the SWG oboards concerning TCG...oh thats right...the moderators there delete/moderate any TCG thread...
This has been covered many times...Wow's TCG and SWG's TCG is comparing apples and oranges....please do your homework.
Ok, so people buy trading card packs with hopes of getting in game loot and maybe playing the card game for both Warcraft and SWG. What's the difference? Is it because there's a third party making WoW's cards and Blizzard taking a cut out of each purchace? I know there's going to be some logic behind these threads, but I really find it hard to see anything but covert nerd rage.
do your own homework...SWG TCG and WoW TCG are completely different beasts.
Why would I even accept that as an answer? How hard is it to explain the simple differences between the two if they're so profoundly different?
whether you accept it or not makes me no difference...it has been answered on this very board many times. Search for it or don't. Look for a post by archangel
So are you telling me that you're not quite sure what the differences are? If you're going to counterpoint a post, at least do the poster a favor and let them know why they're wrong instead of just shouting out points from a thread tlong passed. The bottom line is, a cash grab is a cash grab, no matter how you look at it.
you can find the debate on that issue here mate.
the question on rmt has been discussed on several threads very recently that is why it may have come as a frustration reading it again. if you browse to page 2 on these forums you will find some other RMT threads as well.
Yobviously have not reviewed the SWG oboards concerning TCG...oh thats right...the moderators there delete/moderate any TCG thread...
This has been covered many times...Wow's TCG and SWG's TCG is comparing apples and oranges....please do your homework.
Ok, so people buy trading card packs with hopes of getting in game loot and maybe playing the card game for both Warcraft and SWG. What's the difference? Is it because there's a third party making WoW's cards and Blizzard taking a cut out of each purchace? I know there's going to be some logic behind these threads, but I really find it hard to see anything but covert nerd rage.
do your own homework...SWG TCG and WoW TCG are completely different beasts.
Why would I even accept that as an answer? How hard is it to explain the simple differences between the two if they're so profoundly different?
whether you accept it or not makes me no difference...it has been answered on this very board many times. Search for it or don't. Look for a post by archangel
So are you telling me that you're not quite sure what the differences are? If you're going to counterpoint a post, at least do the poster a favor and let them know why they're wrong instead of just shouting out points from a thread tlong passed. The bottom line is, a cash grab is a cash grab, no matter how you look at it.
you can find the debate on that issue here mate.
the question on rmt has been discussed on several threads very recently that is why it may have come as a frustration reading it again. if you browse to page 2 on these forums you will find some other RMT threads as well.
THanks for the help Tron...I didn't want to go dredging for it and didnt' feel like rehashing it for the koolaid drinker.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
Yobviously have not reviewed the SWG oboards concerning TCG...oh thats right...the moderators there delete/moderate any TCG thread...
This has been covered many times...Wow's TCG and SWG's TCG is comparing apples and oranges....please do your homework.
Ok, so people buy trading card packs with hopes of getting in game loot and maybe playing the card game for both Warcraft and SWG. What's the difference? Is it because there's a third party making WoW's cards and Blizzard taking a cut out of each purchace? I know there's going to be some logic behind these threads, but I really find it hard to see anything but covert nerd rage.
do your own homework...SWG TCG and WoW TCG are completely different beasts.
Why would I even accept that as an answer? How hard is it to explain the simple differences between the two if they're so profoundly different?
whether you accept it or not makes me no difference...it has been answered on this very board many times. Search for it or don't. Look for a post by archangel
So are you telling me that you're not quite sure what the differences are? If you're going to counterpoint a post, at least do the poster a favor and let them know why they're wrong instead of just shouting out points from a thread tlong passed. The bottom line is, a cash grab is a cash grab, no matter how you look at it.
you can find the debate on that issue here mate.
the question on rmt has been discussed on several threads very recently that is why it may have come as a frustration reading it again. if you browse to page 2 on these forums you will find some other RMT threads as well.
THanks for the help Tron...I didn't want to go dredging for it and didnt' feel like rehashing it for the koolaid drinker.
WoW's TCG: you purchase and own actual (as in real life) trading cards.
SWG's TCG: you purchase virtual playing cards that you don't own.
WoW's TCG: the cards with loot have a function in the Trading Card Game itself. They're useful in the TCG. You buy trading cards and you get trading cards.
SWG's TCG: the loot cards have no function in the TCG whatsoever. They are solely loot items for the SWG MMO. People are not buying trading cards and simply receiving trading cards. They are buying packs of virtual trading cards hoping that one may include an SWG loot item, something that has no function in the TCG whatsoever.
WoW's TCG: it's possible to verify the odds of winning a certain loot item because they are printed on actual cards that can be counted.
SWG's TCG: it's not possible to independently verify the odds of winning a certain loot item because they are not printed on actual cards that someone could count.
WoW's TCG: currently includes no loot items that give combat advantages in the WoW MMO.
SWG's TCG: currently offers a number of loot items that give combat advantages in the SWG MMO.
WoW's TCG tournaments: are legal in Nevada because although they offer prizes in what amounts to a game of chance (random draw of the cards), they do not charge a real cash entry fee.
SWG's TCG tournaments: some are illegal in Nevada because they offer prizes in what amounts to a game of chance (random draw of the cards), and they DO charge a real cash entry fee. They are also banned in a number of other states, where I have seen Blizzard running their TCG tournament.
They appear to me to be similar in name only. In all of these respects they seem to differ significantly. Oh also, because you own actual cards in the WoW TCG, you do not need to pay a fee to access them on Blizzard's severs. In the SWG TCG, you must pay a fee to continually access your virtual cards.
If I've missed or misrepresented anything, it's not intentional. I believe this is accurate. Let me know if I missed something.
Oops. I erred in being critical of the mounts available in WoW via the TCG. They take pains to prevent these from interfering with gameplay. Details can be found here:
http://thottbot.com/?i=53987 and here:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Reins_of_the_Swift_Spectral_Tiger.
A bit of a seperate thought here, so I hope y'all don't mind me putting it in it's own post:
TCG isn't the problem. It's the way the TCG is implemented I think that bugs people. All TCG's are not alike in the MMO world. Some seem to contain hidden fees and manipulative dynamics. Others don't. Some have real cards that you own. Others don't. Big differences, with implications for players regarding how much they are likely to spend, and what they are likely to get for their money.
It's kind of like RMT. All RMT in games is not the same. It's hard to compare RMT in SWG, for example, with RMT in other games. In SWG you pay Real Money for a chance to get a loot item. In other games, you pay for a specific item; there's no chance involved. You want to buy an item, you buy it for a small fee and get exactly what you paid for.
In SWG the items you may get are not yours. If SOE decides to delete them the day after you buy (win) them, you get no refund. In other games (one I'm beta testing atm) you lease an RMT item for a specified period of time. If that item is deleted or devalued before that time expires you are entitled to a pro-rated refund. Huge difference there, and to me a very important one.
It's also like comparing TCG tournaments. Is there a problem with tournaments in and of themselves? No, I don't think so. However, when you charge people a cash entry fee for a random chance at prizes, certain consumer protection legislation kicks in. So whether or not you charge a real cash entry fee and offer random prizes becomes a big issue.
Also, what about RMT items themselves? Do they give your character advantages over others or are they merely cosmetic? People seem more concerned about performance enhancing RMT items. Some games have these (e.g. SWG); others do not.
So, in many cases comparing TCGs or RMT from one game to the next can be a lot like comparing apples and oranges. It's important to look at how TCGs and RMT are implemented. There are many different approaches, and I think some are much more user friendly than others.
Not only the way its implemented by when its implemented. If a game is advertised to contain a certain business model prior to release then people can either agree or disagree, buy or not buy.
adding content, loot or whatever which requires separate payment in an existing and established MMO I find it unethical.
The problem is with TCG...
1. No new content with kool items are being added into the game like you can't get these items via playing SWG. I mean I wouldn't have a problem with it if there were schematics in the game for different versions of the loot in the TCG like different colours.
2. Crafters are a main focus of the game and they got the shaft with the NGE and CU already. Theres no decay anymore and weapons are looted in the game and even if Traders can make weapons better, theres no reason to do so if you are a PVE person which as I remember most people in SWG are. Seeing as Death is meaningless in SWG now you don't really care about losing in PVP anyways.
So when SOE add all these kool items into the game, it's just another blow to crafters. I mean they can't even craft eyewear and something the stupid collectors edition has had and you can't even buy anymore.
SOE just don't care about the effect on the game world these things have.