People have been sharing media and art for centuries. It isn't going to change and technology is only going to make it easier over time. Get over it.
Which is largely why most of the music being produced these days is absolute shit.
What's the point in pouring your heart and soul into making a great album if your "fans" are going to tear your livelyhood out from under you?
So typical.. people never understand how their own selfishness and stupidity really does make the world a crappier place to live.
Thanks for that.
Shitter than Britney?
Honestly who cares if she doesn't get paid.
The age of the recording artist getting "money for nothing" is over. If they want to get paid they have to go out and perform just like the rest of us.
As for always paying for the music you enjoy, how very sad. I prefer to listen to musicians who enjoy playing to me too.
Damn so back when i was younger recording songs from the radio on tapes and recording tv shows i was being a worthless good for nothing thief?!
If you were redistributing the copies, then yes.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
People have been sharing media and art for centuries. It isn't going to change and technology is only going to make it easier over time. Get over it.
Which is largely why most of the music being produced these days is absolute shit.
What's the point in pouring your heart and soul into making a great album if your "fans" are going to tear your livelyhood out from under you?
So typical.. people never understand how their own selfishness and stupidity really does make the world a crappier place to live.
Thanks for that.
Shitter than Britney?
Honestly who cares if she doesn't get paid.
The age of the recording artist getting "money for nothing" is over. If they want to get paid they have to go out and perform just like the rest of us.
As for always paying for the music you enjoy, how very sad. I prefer to listen to musicians who enjoy playing to me too.
The state of modern music is making more sense to me all the time.
I have to say this thread has been a real eye opener for me.
"Britney" is about what you deserve... and exactly what you are going to be left with. Have fun with that.
By the way, real irony here- the attitude you are displaying is exactly what Mark Knopfler was making fun of in Money for Nothing. Truly classic.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
People have been sharing media and art for centuries. It isn't going to change and technology is only going to make it easier over time. Get over it.
Which is largely why most of the music being produced these days is absolute shit.
What's the point in pouring your heart and soul into making a great album if your "fans" are going to tear your livelyhood out from under you?
So typical.. people never understand how their own selfishness and stupidity really does make the world a crappier place to live.
Thanks for that.
Shitter than Britney?
Honestly who cares if she doesn't get paid.
The age of the recording artist getting "money for nothing" is over. If they want to get paid they have to go out and perform just like the rest of us.
As for always paying for the music you enjoy, how very sad. I prefer to listen to musicians who enjoy playing to me too.
The state of modern music is making more sense to me all the time.
I have to say this thread has been a real eye opener for me.
"Britney" is about what you deserve... and exactly what you are going to be left with. Have fun with that.
By the way, real irony here- the attitude you are displaying is exactly what Mark Knopfler was making fun of in Money for Nothing. Truly classic.
O come down off that high horse. If this thread is an eye opener for you then you don't know anything and likely didn't learn anything here either.
Piracy is illegal. But there are some that feel the distribution methods of music and games give a bum deal to the consumer. There are some that will download because of this. There are also some that will download to download, hence the overflow of prisoners in our jail system.
Who wants to pay $50 for a paper weight of a PC game? Who wants to pay $15 dollars for two good songs on a CD? That's why there is piracy.
When a piscating wizard floods every thread I can understand why people leave.
It's distasteful. Anyone who says otherwise isn't being honest with theirselves. Quite simply put there are so many ways to legaly aquire anything digital now days there's really no reason to pirate unless you're under 18 or over it and living in a basement.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Likewise there is no need to charge for it. With the zero overheads needed to make and release music these days and the same abundance of people with a love of doing so, why attempt to charge anything for this at all?
If you offer a service worth paying for, people will. If you don't, they won't.
The world doesn't owe you a living. It's not your moral right to be paid for doing nothing of any worth.
Originally posted by Enkindu
Originally posted by baff
Originally posted by Enkindu
Originally posted by goneglockin
People have been sharing media and art for centuries. It isn't going to change and technology is only going to make it easier over time. Get over it.
Which is largely why most of the music being produced these days is absolute shit.
What's the point in pouring your heart and soul into making a great album if your "fans" are going to tear your livelyhood out from under you?
So typical.. people never understand how their own selfishness and stupidity really does make the world a crappier place to live.
Thanks for that.
Shitter than Britney?
Honestly who cares if she doesn't get paid.
The age of the recording artist getting "money for nothing" is over. If they want to get paid they have to go out and perform just like the rest of us.
As for always paying for the music you enjoy, how very sad. I prefer to listen to musicians who enjoy playing to me too.
The state of modern music is making more sense to me all the time.
I have to say this thread has been a real eye opener for me.
"Britney" is about what you deserve... and exactly what you are going to be left with. Have fun with that.
By the way, real irony here- the attitude you are displaying is exactly what Mark Knopfler was making fun of in Money for Nothing. Truly classic.
Britney is a product of the industry machine, not the free music movement. It's not what I deserve, it's a direct result of the payment model you advocate. Factory manufactured music. The promotion machine.
The publishing industry as it was is gameover.
We no longer need to pay people to advertise bands, print and distribute their music. Bands no longer need recording deals to get into a studio. They all own their own studios. Everyone does. They all distribute their own songs. There is no need for printing anything at all. They make their own videos. Everybody does. They have a website anyone in the world can access at any time.
The publishing industry is all sore because it is redundant where it used to be a mega-million pound industry. They are using that money to sue people into maintaining an outdated system.
It's not for the good of mankind. It doesn't produce better music.
Now the fun is all over, it's back to working for a living. Hard graft.
So my friends who paid for their own recording fees, equipment costs, to produce their CD's that they sell for $9.99 at their concerts and shows have no reason to charge for them? Not all artists start out having everything handed to them. Bands like Drowning Pool and Pantera started out by paying for everything themselves, it was not until later they started to see a return for their efforts. They got their name out there and obtained the funds they needed by selling their music themselves to start. The underground and just starting up bands are who get hurt the most by Piracy, not the big business.
It is not a matter of the service being worth paying for, it is juct currently people think, " why should I pay for something I can get for free or cheaper from somone else who ripped it?" So, because of people feeling this way, the industry is going to stop that from happening. They are already currently working on the technology to prevent you from recording their music. They already have software encoded. They are going to be telling us when and where we can listen to their music, play their games and watch their movies due to the sheer number of people who want them to work for free.
Enjoy our freedom while it lasts, because of people not caring about the artists they appreciate being paid, we will see a complete control over information coming very soon.
We all paid for our own instruments and studio's. Believe me it doesn't cost much these days. It's no longer a big deal. Woot you saved up and spent $1,000 on your hobby. How special you are, you now deserve a million pounds in royalties! LMAO.
Merchandising at concerts is one of the ways to make money from the gig.
I'm a lot more sympathetic to people who make the effort to earn a little bit of money than I am for people who do sod all and expect millions.
At least your friends bothered to buy and print a disc and give a performance and attempt to sell them for a reasonable rate.
People will always take a freebie first if it's available. You can't turn back time. You can't uninvent the wheel.
If you want to make money as a musician, you will have to go out and perform for it. Do some actual work.
The old model, that's gone. It's a service less and less people are willing to pay for any more. Get over it and move on.
The industry isn't going to stop anything happening. The industry is going diversify or it's going to run out of money and die. Instead of making bajillions on Britney's records sales, and less on her concerts, it will make more on her concerts and TV and radio royalties. She will make less money overall, they will still all make mucho money. More than enough to convince her to keep making those fantastic tunes she does!
The underground and just starting out bands don't get hurt by piracy at all. They don't have any sales to lose. They don't make any money. No one is stealing their music. No one even knows they exist, thats what the underground is all about. If you had a record deal, you wouldn't be underground.
Quite the opposite, home publishing and home distributing on services like Youtube and P2P networks are giving them a platform to get famous and to earn themselves an audience and following big enough to get them paying gigs. These people want you to download their music. They will do anything to reach an audience.
No more waiting to be spotted, no more waiting for your big break, it is easier and cheaper than ever before for a new band to get established, easier for underground acts to find and engage with their audiences.
But you see, that is not how it will go down. You see they will first make it VERY EASY to pirate software, music, movies ect .. ( where we currently are now) then more and more people will do this instead. So many they will have the fuel they need to push forth the effort to lock down all information and put a price on it, control how it will be used, and how you can obtain it. Like I said before, enjoy it while it lasts, because it will be very short lived. Technology and legislation is already moving towards this at present.
Because of the current and increasing piracy rate, they will use this as the fuel they need to control ALL of our information. This will not be limited to movies, games, and music: that will just be the fuel they neded to implement it. So by pirating now, we are feeding their movement. Everything has a cause and effect. This will be the effect of piracy run amuck. Honestly, I do not think there is anything we can do to stop this now, the wheels are in motion and going full speed. Piracy will come to a complete halt, and when it does so will our freedom to enjoy the information we currently enjoy.
Piracy is what keeps the PC platform alive, and make Intel, AMD, ATI, NVIDIA, Creative, Samsung, ASUS, and SUCH, selling hardware...
By the way getting rid of piracy wont make extra profit to developers.. pirates will simple go and pirate somewhere else...
Why would Piracy keep them alive? they make their money off of paying customers, not free ones. Their lock down controls on information will not make a diference, people are hooked, they need their software, and will pay for it .. how do you think MMO's get away with charging people $15 a month? people need their fix ... What it will do is limit what information we can have, where we can use it and how we are able to obtain it. Those without the cash will just be left in the dark. Big business has never cared for the poor anyways, what makes you think they would start caring now?
There is that great advert for PCworld on TV where all those Hollywood stars tell you how to runa wire from your PC to your TV to watch all your download movies with.
Rofls me.
MMo's is a service Devil. You pay $15 a month because you can't host a server like that yourself. They are offering you something you can't do yourself for free. Unlike distributing music, which we clearly all can.
That's the kind of diversified business that is the future.
They are building an online music player with all the big record companies catalogues on. that will find and play any song you can think of really fast. In return, like on the radio, there will be advert breaks every few songs.
There isn't going to be any crackdown. You can't go to war with the people you are trying to get to buy from you.
You have to offer them something they actually want to buy.
That is exactly my point, they are making it easy on purpose right now, they need it to become a very serious issue before they will gain enough support from industry to lock it down completely. They want you to pirate now ... so they will have an excuse to limit information. This is not the first time in our history they have pushed forth efforts to limit information, only now they are truly capable of implementing it.
ugh.. no one seems to "get " it. Pirating now, showing how easy it is to pirate is all a part of the plan ...they need a reason, they need the fuel to implement such harsh restrictions, and we are supplying it willingly. You have to see the big picture here.
We are already seeing them test the waters. Itunes, for example.. so many people are willing to pay for songs they can;t use where they want to use them. Spore, the limits on how many times you can load it. this is just the start of it .. it will get much worse, I have seen some of the things they are working on and it is not good for consumers...
The publishing industry doesn't want you to pirate now or ever. They like it best the old way when it was making them billions.
The PC hardware industry and the ISP industry, they know people want to pirate stuff and that it is driving their sales. Just as it did tape to tape machines in the 80's.
Everytime the publishing industry uses too harsh restrictions, they get taken to court and made to remove it. They don't make the rules.
The publishing industry doesn't want you to pirate now or ever. They like it best the old way when it was making them billions. The PC hardware industry and the ISP industry, they know people want to pirate stuff and that it is driving their sales.
The publishing industry isn;t who wants this lockdown on information.. no they will just dupe the publishing industry into supporting it due to them losing too much from piracy. You look at the small picture here, not the big picture. Governments would benefit the most from control over information, and they have been pushing this movement for a long time. The articles I first read about it dated back to the 70's ...Whoever controls the information controls the people.
Governments already have control over all the information. This is a commercial issue. My government really doesn't care if I listen to Britney Spears or not. They don't give a monkeys. They can tell if I downloaded her music, it's just that they aren't intrested any more than you are.
Yes they do, they want your tax dollars for paying for that music. This movement is on so mnay fronts right now, from newspaper companies, to RMT of virtual goods... it is in our very near future. You just see the benefits of all of our free stuff right now, you are not seeing the actual cause and effect. And yes, they do want to control what you are listening to, in fact they would much rather you listen to something mindless like Britany Spears instead of what is going on in politics... the more people that do not know what they are doing the better for them .
I've got to wonder what your trying to achieve with the whole business anyways. Are yall wanting to protect the multi-millionair song writers or the regular garage band. If anyone really wants to play, they can do gigs at the local bars, sell cd's and merchandise. The one's worried about piracy are the rich ones that need to maintain their houses and cars. It seems more that the anit-pirate wants to make sure that people can live the American "dream" and make millions doing nothing.
When a piscating wizard floods every thread I can understand why people leave.
I've got to wonder what your trying to achieve with the whole business anyways. Are yall wanting to protect the multi-millionair song writers or the regular garage band. If anyone really wants to play, they can do gigs at the local bars, sell cd's and merchandise. The one's worried about piracy are the rich ones that need to maintain their houses and cars. It seems more that the anit-pirate wants to make sure that people can live the American "dream" and make millions doing nothing.
I am not anti- pirate to make them more money. I am anti pirate to stop the control of information that will soon be taking place because of piracy. If we do not come up with alternative methods to stop piracy, they will use this as fuel to lockdown all of our information.
You may be right. I didn't care for when they stopped allowing the Jolly Roger Cookbook on the internet. The phishing stories on there were amusing.
A large catch to it all is to think of how much is being copyrighted everyday. There are only so many melodies and each day music sounds more and more like the year before. Plus all the silliness going on with youtube and others where you cannot show anything. To think, we are limiting sound so people can make more money.
When a piscating wizard floods every thread I can understand why people leave.
I've got to wonder what your trying to achieve with the whole business anyways. Are yall wanting to protect the multi-millionair song writers or the regular garage band. If anyone really wants to play, they can do gigs at the local bars, sell cd's and merchandise. The one's worried about piracy are the rich ones that need to maintain their houses and cars. It seems more that the anti-pirate wants to make sure that people can live the American "dream" and make millions doing nothing.
I am not anti- pirate to make them more money. I am anti pirate to stop the control of information that will soon be taking place because of piracy. If we do not come up with alternative methods to stop piracy, they will use this as fuel to lockdown all of our information.
governments around the world seem to be looking into all kinds of ways of shutting pirates down sadly a lot of other stuff will surely fall into their crosshairs over time.. I do find it funny that people are giving the ammo needed to shut them down to the people and industry they claim to hate so much.
Funny stuff they are actually starting to go the distance and shut down your internet access completely. as for not hurting anybody my wife pays for pirated stuff every time she goes to buy blank cd/dvd to store her artwork and photos on :;sigh:: she doesn't even have any music or movies on her PC, I don't know about where you guys are but here in canada there is a fee attatched to any blank media you buy that goes directly to publishers... money for nothing as I see it.
What people need to understand is that there is a much larger picture here.
Control over information is the most powerful tool in the world. If you control what information people have access to, you control their opinions, their beliefs. It is a form of mind control, and the most powerful weapon in existance today. This is not some " conspiracy theory" it is a well known and well used weapon used throughout history.
The politicians in the past did not have the support or power to implement such controls, but are gaining support for this movement at an alarming rate. The fuel to the fire is all the free stuff we are enjoying now. That is what is pushing all the industry from gaming to newspapers to give them support for this. They are now willing to trade freedom of information for security of their jobs.
The governments very much want this power, because it will allow them to control the mass populations without much resistance. There is so much more going on here, but people for the most part, are not seeing the wheels they are putting into motion by their enjoyment of all the free stuff made readily available now.
Due to the piracy supporters, we will lose our freedom to communicate freely in the manner we are now accustomed. Unless we can come up with a better solution to protect peoples work, so they are not losing their incomes over pirated products, they will be able to implement full information controls in the very near futre. I am not even sure if there is anything we can do to stop it now, they already have the support and abilty they need to carry this out.
Our opinions will not matter on this once they have gained full control over the net, because we will not be able to communicate them as we do now. They ALREADY see the net as a threat, and we have many in the US congress that want stricter control over the internet. By giving them this power, we will sacrfice our freedom.
Piracy is theft, plain and simple. If bands can't get paid for their work, they will no longer be able to afford to make the music we enjoy. If game developers can't get paid for their work, they will not longer be able to bring us games to enjoy. The same applies to software, videos, or anything else that is easily copied and redistributed. Bottom line is if we want great music, games, prgrams and movies we need to pay for them, to ensure we continue to have these things a part of our lives. Copyright laws and patents I have a disagreement with, MORE than one person can think of an idea at the same time, and more than one person should be able to make the same thing, regardless of who "filed for a patent" first. I do not believe there should be laws on ideas, only individual finished works.
Well put.
You are still making my eyes bleed btw...
First of all you enter into somethign I am familiar with.. Being in a band... Our band never made money from album sales, and never knew any band that really did... The only ones taht profit from album sales is labels... Which is the equiv of a publisher of a video game.
Bands always make their money from touring and would give awaay they're albums all day long, unfortunately, the labels dont let them do this..
And lets go to an example in which case I bet you have commited piracy before on your reasoning...
E: Can I borrow your dictionary tommorow? I have some spelling to correct on my homework assignment..
If you borrowed me your dictionary, is this not piracy? According to the game industry it is... They purposely install codes into games, so that you must register your code, so you can't share or sell it.. Can you sell your dictionary tommorow if you wanted? But you can't sell your video game? WTF nonsense is this? Is it not the same copyrighted material? You in effect are not buying anything, you are licensing? This is the real problem.
Has nothing to do with copyrights and must be what we face. Licensing.. what is legal to license, and what is the
pricy to pay for it, you are telling me its mine but its not.. So in this theory... we look at car sales..
Ok I lease a car.. I know I am renting it, not owning it.. So am I paying full price? No I get it cheaper... Is there an option for this in games or music sales.. Absolutely not.. its 100% in favor of the producer to assing me temp rights to nothing for the same money, but acting like i own it.. in which case i do not...
This is the true debate of copyright piracy issue. and until its identified and dealt with mainstream it creates extremism we are seeing today, which is the nature of man fighting the man
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Which is largely why most of the music being produced these days is absolute shit.
What's the point in pouring your heart and soul into making a great album if your "fans" are going to tear your livelyhood out from under you?
So typical.. people never understand how their own selfishness and stupidity really does make the world a crappier place to live.
Thanks for that.
Shitter than Britney?
Honestly who cares if she doesn't get paid.
The age of the recording artist getting "money for nothing" is over. If they want to get paid they have to go out and perform just like the rest of us.
As for always paying for the music you enjoy, how very sad. I prefer to listen to musicians who enjoy playing to me too.
If you were redistributing the copies, then yes.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Which is largely why most of the music being produced these days is absolute shit.
What's the point in pouring your heart and soul into making a great album if your "fans" are going to tear your livelyhood out from under you?
So typical.. people never understand how their own selfishness and stupidity really does make the world a crappier place to live.
Thanks for that.
Shitter than Britney?
Honestly who cares if she doesn't get paid.
The age of the recording artist getting "money for nothing" is over. If they want to get paid they have to go out and perform just like the rest of us.
As for always paying for the music you enjoy, how very sad. I prefer to listen to musicians who enjoy playing to me too.
The state of modern music is making more sense to me all the time.
I have to say this thread has been a real eye opener for me.
"Britney" is about what you deserve... and exactly what you are going to be left with. Have fun with that.
By the way, real irony here- the attitude you are displaying is exactly what Mark Knopfler was making fun of in Money for Nothing. Truly classic.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Which is largely why most of the music being produced these days is absolute shit.
What's the point in pouring your heart and soul into making a great album if your "fans" are going to tear your livelyhood out from under you?
So typical.. people never understand how their own selfishness and stupidity really does make the world a crappier place to live.
Thanks for that.
Shitter than Britney?
Honestly who cares if she doesn't get paid.
The age of the recording artist getting "money for nothing" is over. If they want to get paid they have to go out and perform just like the rest of us.
As for always paying for the music you enjoy, how very sad. I prefer to listen to musicians who enjoy playing to me too.
The state of modern music is making more sense to me all the time.
I have to say this thread has been a real eye opener for me.
"Britney" is about what you deserve... and exactly what you are going to be left with. Have fun with that.
By the way, real irony here- the attitude you are displaying is exactly what Mark Knopfler was making fun of in Money for Nothing. Truly classic.
O come down off that high horse. If this thread is an eye opener for you then you don't know anything and likely didn't learn anything here either.
Piracy is illegal. But there are some that feel the distribution methods of music and games give a bum deal to the consumer. There are some that will download because of this. There are also some that will download to download, hence the overflow of prisoners in our jail system.
Who wants to pay $50 for a paper weight of a PC game? Who wants to pay $15 dollars for two good songs on a CD? That's why there is piracy.
When a piscating wizard floods every thread I can understand why people leave.
It's distasteful. Anyone who says otherwise isn't being honest with theirselves. Quite simply put there are so many ways to legaly aquire anything digital now days there's really no reason to pirate unless you're under 18 or over it and living in a basement.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Likewise there is no need to charge for it. With the zero overheads needed to make and release music these days and the same abundance of people with a love of doing so, why attempt to charge anything for this at all?
If you offer a service worth paying for, people will. If you don't, they won't.
The world doesn't owe you a living. It's not your moral right to be paid for doing nothing of any worth.
Which is largely why most of the music being produced these days is absolute shit.
What's the point in pouring your heart and soul into making a great album if your "fans" are going to tear your livelyhood out from under you?
So typical.. people never understand how their own selfishness and stupidity really does make the world a crappier place to live.
Thanks for that.
Shitter than Britney?
Honestly who cares if she doesn't get paid.
The age of the recording artist getting "money for nothing" is over. If they want to get paid they have to go out and perform just like the rest of us.
As for always paying for the music you enjoy, how very sad. I prefer to listen to musicians who enjoy playing to me too.
The state of modern music is making more sense to me all the time.
I have to say this thread has been a real eye opener for me.
"Britney" is about what you deserve... and exactly what you are going to be left with. Have fun with that.
By the way, real irony here- the attitude you are displaying is exactly what Mark Knopfler was making fun of in Money for Nothing. Truly classic.
Britney is a product of the industry machine, not the free music movement. It's not what I deserve, it's a direct result of the payment model you advocate. Factory manufactured music. The promotion machine.
The publishing industry as it was is gameover.
We no longer need to pay people to advertise bands, print and distribute their music. Bands no longer need recording deals to get into a studio. They all own their own studios. Everyone does. They all distribute their own songs. There is no need for printing anything at all. They make their own videos. Everybody does. They have a website anyone in the world can access at any time.
The publishing industry is all sore because it is redundant where it used to be a mega-million pound industry. They are using that money to sue people into maintaining an outdated system.
It's not for the good of mankind. It doesn't produce better music.
Now the fun is all over, it's back to working for a living. Hard graft.
So my friends who paid for their own recording fees, equipment costs, to produce their CD's that they sell for $9.99 at their concerts and shows have no reason to charge for them? Not all artists start out having everything handed to them. Bands like Drowning Pool and Pantera started out by paying for everything themselves, it was not until later they started to see a return for their efforts. They got their name out there and obtained the funds they needed by selling their music themselves to start. The underground and just starting up bands are who get hurt the most by Piracy, not the big business.
It is not a matter of the service being worth paying for, it is juct currently people think, " why should I pay for something I can get for free or cheaper from somone else who ripped it?" So, because of people feeling this way, the industry is going to stop that from happening. They are already currently working on the technology to prevent you from recording their music. They already have software encoded. They are going to be telling us when and where we can listen to their music, play their games and watch their movies due to the sheer number of people who want them to work for free.
Enjoy our freedom while it lasts, because of people not caring about the artists they appreciate being paid, we will see a complete control over information coming very soon.
We all paid for our own instruments and studio's. Believe me it doesn't cost much these days. It's no longer a big deal. Woot you saved up and spent $1,000 on your hobby. How special you are, you now deserve a million pounds in royalties! LMAO.
Merchandising at concerts is one of the ways to make money from the gig.
I'm a lot more sympathetic to people who make the effort to earn a little bit of money than I am for people who do sod all and expect millions.
At least your friends bothered to buy and print a disc and give a performance and attempt to sell them for a reasonable rate.
People will always take a freebie first if it's available. You can't turn back time. You can't uninvent the wheel.
If you want to make money as a musician, you will have to go out and perform for it. Do some actual work.
The old model, that's gone. It's a service less and less people are willing to pay for any more. Get over it and move on.
The industry isn't going to stop anything happening. The industry is going diversify or it's going to run out of money and die. Instead of making bajillions on Britney's records sales, and less on her concerts, it will make more on her concerts and TV and radio royalties. She will make less money overall, they will still all make mucho money. More than enough to convince her to keep making those fantastic tunes she does!
The underground and just starting out bands don't get hurt by piracy at all. They don't have any sales to lose. They don't make any money. No one is stealing their music. No one even knows they exist, thats what the underground is all about. If you had a record deal, you wouldn't be underground.
Quite the opposite, home publishing and home distributing on services like Youtube and P2P networks are giving them a platform to get famous and to earn themselves an audience and following big enough to get them paying gigs. These people want you to download their music. They will do anything to reach an audience.
No more waiting to be spotted, no more waiting for your big break, it is easier and cheaper than ever before for a new band to get established, easier for underground acts to find and engage with their audiences.
But you see, that is not how it will go down. You see they will first make it VERY EASY to pirate software, music, movies ect .. ( where we currently are now) then more and more people will do this instead. So many they will have the fuel they need to push forth the effort to lock down all information and put a price on it, control how it will be used, and how you can obtain it. Like I said before, enjoy it while it lasts, because it will be very short lived. Technology and legislation is already moving towards this at present.
Because of the current and increasing piracy rate, they will use this as the fuel they need to control ALL of our information. This will not be limited to movies, games, and music: that will just be the fuel they neded to implement it. So by pirating now, we are feeding their movement. Everything has a cause and effect. This will be the effect of piracy run amuck. Honestly, I do not think there is anything we can do to stop this now, the wheels are in motion and going full speed. Piracy will come to a complete halt, and when it does so will our freedom to enjoy the information we currently enjoy.
Piracy is what keeps the PC platform alive, and make Intel, AMD, ATI, NVIDIA, Creative, Samsung, ASUS, and SUCH, selling hardware...
By the way getting rid of piracy wont make extra profit to developers.. pirates will simple go and pirate somewhere else...
Why would Piracy keep them alive? they make their money off of paying customers, not free ones. Their lock down controls on information will not make a diference, people are hooked, they need their software, and will pay for it .. how do you think MMO's get away with charging people $15 a month? people need their fix ... What it will do is limit what information we can have, where we can use it and how we are able to obtain it. Those without the cash will just be left in the dark. Big business has never cared for the poor anyways, what makes you think they would start caring now?
There is that great advert for PCworld on TV where all those Hollywood stars tell you how to runa wire from your PC to your TV to watch all your download movies with.
Rofls me.
MMo's is a service Devil. You pay $15 a month because you can't host a server like that yourself. They are offering you something you can't do yourself for free. Unlike distributing music, which we clearly all can.
That's the kind of diversified business that is the future.
They are building an online music player with all the big record companies catalogues on. that will find and play any song you can think of really fast. In return, like on the radio, there will be advert breaks every few songs.
There isn't going to be any crackdown. You can't go to war with the people you are trying to get to buy from you.
You have to offer them something they actually want to buy.
That is exactly my point, they are making it easy on purpose right now, they need it to become a very serious issue before they will gain enough support from industry to lock it down completely. They want you to pirate now ... so they will have an excuse to limit information. This is not the first time in our history they have pushed forth efforts to limit information, only now they are truly capable of implementing it.
ugh.. no one seems to "get " it. Pirating now, showing how easy it is to pirate is all a part of the plan ...they need a reason, they need the fuel to implement such harsh restrictions, and we are supplying it willingly. You have to see the big picture here.
We are already seeing them test the waters. Itunes, for example.. so many people are willing to pay for songs they can;t use where they want to use them. Spore, the limits on how many times you can load it. this is just the start of it .. it will get much worse, I have seen some of the things they are working on and it is not good for consumers...
The publishing industry doesn't want you to pirate now or ever. They like it best the old way when it was making them billions.
The PC hardware industry and the ISP industry, they know people want to pirate stuff and that it is driving their sales. Just as it did tape to tape machines in the 80's.
Everytime the publishing industry uses too harsh restrictions, they get taken to court and made to remove it. They don't make the rules.
The publishing industry isn;t who wants this lockdown on information.. no they will just dupe the publishing industry into supporting it due to them losing too much from piracy. You look at the small picture here, not the big picture. Governments would benefit the most from control over information, and they have been pushing this movement for a long time. The articles I first read about it dated back to the 70's ...Whoever controls the information controls the people.
Governments already have control over all the information. This is a commercial issue.
My government really doesn't care if I listen to Britney Spears or not.
They don't give a monkeys. They can tell if I downloaded her music, it's just that they aren't intrested any more than you are.
Yes they do, they want your tax dollars for paying for that music. This movement is on so mnay fronts right now, from newspaper companies, to RMT of virtual goods... it is in our very near future. You just see the benefits of all of our free stuff right now, you are not seeing the actual cause and effect. And yes, they do want to control what you are listening to, in fact they would much rather you listen to something mindless like Britany Spears instead of what is going on in politics... the more people that do not know what they are doing the better for them .
I've got to wonder what your trying to achieve with the whole business anyways. Are yall wanting to protect the multi-millionair song writers or the regular garage band. If anyone really wants to play, they can do gigs at the local bars, sell cd's and merchandise. The one's worried about piracy are the rich ones that need to maintain their houses and cars. It seems more that the anit-pirate wants to make sure that people can live the American "dream" and make millions doing nothing.
When a piscating wizard floods every thread I can understand why people leave.
I am not anti- pirate to make them more money. I am anti pirate to stop the control of information that will soon be taking place because of piracy. If we do not come up with alternative methods to stop piracy, they will use this as fuel to lockdown all of our information.
You may be right. I didn't care for when they stopped allowing the Jolly Roger Cookbook on the internet. The phishing stories on there were amusing.
A large catch to it all is to think of how much is being copyrighted everyday. There are only so many melodies and each day music sounds more and more like the year before. Plus all the silliness going on with youtube and others where you cannot show anything. To think, we are limiting sound so people can make more money.
When a piscating wizard floods every thread I can understand why people leave.
I am not anti- pirate to make them more money. I am anti pirate to stop the control of information that will soon be taking place because of piracy. If we do not come up with alternative methods to stop piracy, they will use this as fuel to lockdown all of our information.
Looks like they are already WELL underway in locking down the net it seems.... news.syberplanet.net/beejive-im-moves-to-block-out-iphone-pirates/
A little more info on what is going on... www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g9liaPPFBFdJUiTQLmJwtBJ5WJWw
governments around the world seem to be looking into all kinds of ways of shutting pirates down sadly a lot of other stuff will surely fall into their crosshairs over time.. I do find it funny that people are giving the ammo needed to shut them down to the people and industry they claim to hate so much.
Funny stuff they are actually starting to go the distance and shut down your internet access completely. as for not hurting anybody my wife pays for pirated stuff every time she goes to buy blank cd/dvd to store her artwork and photos on :;sigh:: she doesn't even have any music or movies on her PC, I don't know about where you guys are but here in canada there is a fee attatched to any blank media you buy that goes directly to publishers... money for nothing as I see it.
What people need to understand is that there is a much larger picture here.
Control over information is the most powerful tool in the world. If you control what information people have access to, you control their opinions, their beliefs. It is a form of mind control, and the most powerful weapon in existance today. This is not some " conspiracy theory" it is a well known and well used weapon used throughout history.
The politicians in the past did not have the support or power to implement such controls, but are gaining support for this movement at an alarming rate. The fuel to the fire is all the free stuff we are enjoying now. That is what is pushing all the industry from gaming to newspapers to give them support for this. They are now willing to trade freedom of information for security of their jobs.
The governments very much want this power, because it will allow them to control the mass populations without much resistance. There is so much more going on here, but people for the most part, are not seeing the wheels they are putting into motion by their enjoyment of all the free stuff made readily available now.
Due to the piracy supporters, we will lose our freedom to communicate freely in the manner we are now accustomed. Unless we can come up with a better solution to protect peoples work, so they are not losing their incomes over pirated products, they will be able to implement full information controls in the very near futre. I am not even sure if there is anything we can do to stop it now, they already have the support and abilty they need to carry this out.
Our opinions will not matter on this once they have gained full control over the net, because we will not be able to communicate them as we do now. They ALREADY see the net as a threat, and we have many in the US congress that want stricter control over the internet. By giving them this power, we will sacrfice our freedom.
Well put.
You are still making my eyes bleed btw...
First of all you enter into somethign I am familiar with.. Being in a band... Our band never made money from album sales, and never knew any band that really did... The only ones taht profit from album sales is labels... Which is the equiv of a publisher of a video game.
Bands always make their money from touring and would give awaay they're albums all day long, unfortunately, the labels dont let them do this..
And lets go to an example in which case I bet you have commited piracy before on your reasoning...
E: Can I borrow your dictionary tommorow? I have some spelling to correct on my homework assignment..
If you borrowed me your dictionary, is this not piracy? According to the game industry it is... They purposely install codes into games, so that you must register your code, so you can't share or sell it.. Can you sell your dictionary tommorow if you wanted? But you can't sell your video game? WTF nonsense is this? Is it not the same copyrighted material? You in effect are not buying anything, you are licensing? This is the real problem.
Has nothing to do with copyrights and must be what we face. Licensing.. what is legal to license, and what is the
pricy to pay for it, you are telling me its mine but its not.. So in this theory... we look at car sales..
Ok I lease a car.. I know I am renting it, not owning it.. So am I paying full price? No I get it cheaper... Is there an option for this in games or music sales.. Absolutely not.. its 100% in favor of the producer to assing me temp rights to nothing for the same money, but acting like i own it.. in which case i do not...
This is the true debate of copyright piracy issue. and until its identified and dealt with mainstream it creates extremism we are seeing today, which is the nature of man fighting the man
All kidding aside,
Peter Porker
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
LOL why you post that picture of an ugly pirate.. we all know girls make better pirates.
Girl pirates> boy pirates!