I want Aion to succeed, but it will take more than wings to get my interest. I'm not an NCSoft hater because Guildwars was a great game that held my attention far longer than anything else. If Aion as simularities to that game I'll have to check it out. To all those playing in the beta. Outside of wings what in your opinion sets the game apart from what is out there now?
A polished game. Everything works as it is supposed to unlike many other games. The only exception would be pvp but I take people's compalints about pvp with a grain of salt. Hardly any pvper believes pvp is balanced no matter what game it is. Since you have played Guild Wars then you understand what I mean about pvp.
finally a real pvp experience, asians mmo's do pvp the right way.
What a ridiculous statement. Most of their pvp was copied from US games lol.
I think Aion will do quite well initially, that is until the botters take over. NCSoft has in the past refused to control them and we all know how badly they can destroy any game.
You are... just wrong, with your first statement. Asian MMOs have always focused on PVP, and the only US MMO to assume PVP was the point of the game was UO. At least until Shadowbane came along. I assure you that no Koreans have ever copied anything from Shadowbane.
However, you're pretty on target with the second comment, at least historically. I do think that NCsoft is planning to take more action this time around. I didn't say it in the review, but there appear to be several tools built into the interface to report/deal with bots.
Well I disagree, Aion pvp reminds me very much of DAoC, I would have thought you noticed that not to say they have not improved on some aspects of it, but very little difference from my point of view.
I will say this, if Aion can control the botters, this game has the potential of giving Wow a run for it's money. The only thing I was disappointed with is the extremely short flight time. Something I hope they address before the servers go live.
Dunno on what it reminds you but you are wrong,cuz western pvp always was crap in compare with eastern.
NCsoft had brought pvp to the west with Lineage and GW.
Originally posted by Ephimero If by very late you mean 12 hours after starting if you know what you're doing, guess you're right. But no.
No, she obviously played the English client, which doesn't offer PVP at all, since only 1 race is available. How does she come out with statements like:
"Koreans know how to do PVP"
then?
I was replying to your "very late in the game" statement.
I wonder how many previews we will have to endure before PvP is mentioned in an MMORPG review. Specially in a game that is advertised as being a PvP game.
Judging from past reviews/previews we will probably see a footnote in the 5th preview or so...
So if it is not evident with my sarcasm, my question is. How is the PvP? Not looking for an elaborate description, as this is a first look, but rather maybe a first impression of the PvP. Are there PvP servers? Can you PvP from level 1? If not, when can you PvP? Do you get exp from PvP? Anything at all about PvP in a you know, in a game that has been advertised having strong PvP elements?
Dunno on what it reminds you but you are wrong,cuz western pvp always was crap in compare with eastern. NCsoft had brought pvp to the west with Lineage and GW.
UO, AC1 Darktide...both harder core PvP than anything in Lineage or GW. Especially GW, just a bunch of arena matches. And they were both around before anything Asian.
NCsoft had brought pvp to the west with Lineage and GW.
That was Ultime Online, not Lineage, an American company. UO had PVP before Lineage was even a pipe-dream.
Lineage was released 3 months after Ultima online. Pipe-dream?
Dude, you sure are on fire today.
It was released a year later. Go check your "facts".
Ultima online was released on september of 1997, haven't found anything more concrete abut Lineage than 1998, still, your pipe-dream comment was way off.
NCsoft had brought pvp to the west with Lineage and GW.
That was Ultime Online, not Lineage, an American company. UO had PVP before Lineage was even a pipe-dream.
Lineage was released 3 months after Ultima online. Pipe-dream?
Dude, you sure are on fire today.
It was released a year later. Go check your "facts".
Ultima online was released on september of 1997, haven't found anything more concrete abut Lineage than 1998, still, your pipe-dream comment was way off.
Lineage was released in September in Korea, exactly 1 year later. Keep pretending your "3months" is correct though, for your own sake.
I'm pointing out what a joke that the claim "Koreans know PVP" in this review is, that's all.
NCsoft had brought pvp to the west with Lineage and GW.
That was Ultime Online, not Lineage, an American company. UO had PVP before Lineage was even a pipe-dream.
Lineage was released 3 months after Ultima online. Pipe-dream?
Dude, you sure are on fire today.
It was released a year later. Go check your "facts".
Ultima online was released on september of 1997, haven't found anything more concrete abut Lineage than 1998, still, your pipe-dream comment was way off.
Lineage was released in September in Korea, exactly 1 year later. Keep pretending your "3months" is correct though, for your own sake.
I'm pointing out what a joke that the claim "Koreans know PVP" in this review is, that's all.
Still missing the link to prove what you're stating. Im not pretending anything, I just wikipedia'd it and that's what I got, in lieu of anything more concrete than 2008, 3 months prevail, if you have more concrete citations about it, feel free to post them.
Again, the pipe-dream comment was way off and I had to step, if you're not willing to take it back, it will only help my cause.
Really? Could I ask you what type of PVP you were involved in. Since I played CAion and know PVP doesn't start until very late into the game, I doubt you did any significant PVP at all. . . This review is way too optimistic, but then I expected nothing less, 99% of mmorpg's reviews are too postitive.
Obviously. If you havent noticed, this site is heavily dependant on adds from MMORPGs and hence they have an invested self interest to give good reviews to those companies. They have to balance it with still being credible to their users, namely us, but since we are paying them zero money that is probably secondary.
After reading their Darkfall preview/first look/whatever I stopped taking MMORPG reviews seriously as it was painting an overall positive picture of a completely worthless piece of crap MMORPG that is decades behind when it comes to MMORPG technology and playability and that review made me waste 50$ on a game that I would have otherwise not bought.
This thread breathes nostalgia, first we start talking about the 90s and the first MMOs, and now we start seeing the oldest and most overused forum troll tricks, still missing the link to prove wikipedia is wrong, tho.
Originally posted by Ephimero If by very late you mean 12 hours after starting if you know what you're doing, guess you're right. But no.
No, she obviously played the English client, which doesn't offer PVP at all, since only 1 race is available. How does she come out with statements like:
"Koreans know how to do PVP"
then?
I was replying to your "very late in the game" statement.
Truthfully Water has had a very vocal and exaggerated history with Aion often negative, ill-informed, and ill-experienced. Don't really read into what she says to much. Version 1.0 the cap is 45 and you quest to enter the abyss at 20, I believe we start at 1.2 and our cap will be 50. So by both measures...you PvP BEFORE even half of the game.
The one thing I can compromise with them about that statement is that the first levels aren't as action packed combat wise unless your a scout really, or flashy as the later levels. So it can feel like the game drags on with so many quests and small little movie scenes but it picks up and starts to fly by (personally for me it started at 16 with my ranger, 10 with my glad, 1 with my mage lol). If you refuse to group it may take longer for your class to aquire all the necessary abilities.
This game looks gorgeous, but that's not enough anymore. Puddle deep quests, poor translations, and the complete lack of backstory/lore, the annoying battle shouts...immediately turns me off from this game.
After experiencing the PvP of this game for a while, I can point out the best of it and the flaws. Pros: Group dynamics and setups play a really important role, many might fall against a few organized ones, im talking about a game where beating 32 people with 16 is possible. The PvP is sporadic and well done, you will never know when a group will come after you, so you better be ready for it. The collaborative efforts have been amazing so far in my experience, you see entire raids of unknow people fighting the enemy just to kick them out of their lands and lots of shouts warning of hostile pressence. The risk vs reward feels deffinetly right, you don't lose enough to go cut yourself in a corner, but you might feel a slap in your wrist if you die being a high ranked player. The game breathes elitism, unlike in other games, you don't rely in charts to tell you who is the best, you will notice who is the best. Cons (gotta clarify, some of these are more concerns about how well the game might do considering the "wester" mindset and not so much of a con to me). Gear and levels are pretty important, not L2 important, but pretty important, yeah. To make a fair comparision, in L2, at level 78 you got some imba skills, in Aion, there's no that imba skills level, so a 47 can outperform a level 50 easily, but a 42 might not have the same luck as the damage is heavily reduced. For gear, the same, even though Aion offers a huge variety of endgame gear, there are some sets that are pretty hard to get (specially the abyss ones) which will make the difference. Some people like to move a lot in MMOs PvP, Aion 1v1 is pretty static compared to WoWs, group PvP is a different story, specially since the main targets will always be moving around doing their thing and the enemies have to chase. The elitism of PvP might be a con for casual people, even tho there are a lot of PUGs for PvP in the abyss which can let some casual people experience endgame PvP, there will be some frustration whenever the elitist guild comes and kicks them all out.
About the preview, pretty spot on from my experience, and pretty descriptive, keep it up.
Sounds like another item treadmill designed specifically to divide the community between the haves and have-nots. Guess I will keep looking.
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After experiencing the PvP of this game for a while, I can point out the best of it and the flaws. Pros: Group dynamics and setups play a really important role, many might fall against a few organized ones, im talking about a game where beating 32 people with 16 is possible. The PvP is sporadic and well done, you will never know when a group will come after you, so you better be ready for it. The collaborative efforts have been amazing so far in my experience, you see entire raids of unknow people fighting the enemy just to kick them out of their lands and lots of shouts warning of hostile pressence. The risk vs reward feels deffinetly right, you don't lose enough to go cut yourself in a corner, but you might feel a slap in your wrist if you die being a high ranked player. The game breathes elitism, unlike in other games, you don't rely in charts to tell you who is the best, you will notice who is the best. Cons (gotta clarify, some of these are more concerns about how well the game might do considering the "wester" mindset and not so much of a con to me). Gear and levels are pretty important, not L2 important, but pretty important, yeah. To make a fair comparision, in L2, at level 78 you got some imba skills, in Aion, there's no that imba skills level, so a 47 can outperform a level 50 easily, but a 42 might not have the same luck as the damage is heavily reduced. For gear, the same, even though Aion offers a huge variety of endgame gear, there are some sets that are pretty hard to get (specially the abyss ones) which will make the difference. Some people like to move a lot in MMOs PvP, Aion 1v1 is pretty static compared to WoWs, group PvP is a different story, specially since the main targets will always be moving around doing their thing and the enemies have to chase. The elitism of PvP might be a con for casual people, even tho there are a lot of PUGs for PvP in the abyss which can let some casual people experience endgame PvP, there will be some frustration whenever the elitist guild comes and kicks them all out.
About the preview, pretty spot on from my experience, and pretty descriptive, keep it up.
Sounds like another item treadmill designed specifically to divide the community between the haves and have-nots. Guess I will keep looking.
You wont have many troubles finding your home considering the last batch of very casual insta gratification releases.
Sounds like another item treadmill designed specifically to divide the community between the haves and have-nots. Guess I will keep looking.
You wont have many troubles finding your home considering the last batch of very casual insta gratification releases.
The only thing that gratifies me is a fair fight. I don't need item rewards as a carrot to PvP. I know I'm better off in a FPS for PvP I guess.
Yep you answered your own question. Afterall, we know a FPS is the best place to get "fair" PvP since we all know there are no aim bots or anything like that.
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I would be very happy if it isnt a grindfest like Lineage 2.
I want Lineage 2 feel.. like it already seems there is (testing the beta tomorrow) but with western market mmo quests and fast lvling. Then it would be perfect.
I will buy the game but if I feel its a grindfest after some lvls then I will quit immediatly, uninstall it and burn the disc.
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A polished game. Everything works as it is supposed to unlike many other games. The only exception would be pvp but I take people's compalints about pvp with a grain of salt. Hardly any pvper believes pvp is balanced no matter what game it is. Since you have played Guild Wars then you understand what I mean about pvp.
What a ridiculous statement. Most of their pvp was copied from US games lol.
I think Aion will do quite well initially, that is until the botters take over. NCSoft has in the past refused to control them and we all know how badly they can destroy any game.
You are... just wrong, with your first statement. Asian MMOs have always focused on PVP, and the only US MMO to assume PVP was the point of the game was UO. At least until Shadowbane came along. I assure you that no Koreans have ever copied anything from Shadowbane.
However, you're pretty on target with the second comment, at least historically. I do think that NCsoft is planning to take more action this time around. I didn't say it in the review, but there appear to be several tools built into the interface to report/deal with bots.
Well I disagree, Aion pvp reminds me very much of DAoC, I would have thought you noticed that not to say they have not improved on some aspects of it, but very little difference from my point of view.
I will say this, if Aion can control the botters, this game has the potential of giving Wow a run for it's money. The only thing I was disappointed with is the extremely short flight time. Something I hope they address before the servers go live.
Dunno on what it reminds you but you are wrong,cuz western pvp always was crap in compare with eastern.
NCsoft had brought pvp to the west with Lineage and GW.
No, she obviously played the English client, which doesn't offer PVP at all, since only 1 race is available. How does she come out with statements like:
"Koreans know how to do PVP"
then?
I was replying to your "very late in the game" statement.
That was Ultime Online, not Lineage, an American company. UO had PVP before Lineage was even a pipe-dream.
That was Ultime Online, not Lineage, an American company. UO had PVP before Lineage was even a pipe-dream.
Lineage was released 3 months after Ultima online. Pipe-dream?
Dude, you sure are on fire today.
That was Ultime Online, not Lineage, an American company. UO had PVP before Lineage was even a pipe-dream.
Lineage was released 3 months after Ultima online. Pipe-dream?
Dude, you sure are on fire today.
It was released a year later. Go check your "facts".
I wonder how many previews we will have to endure before PvP is mentioned in an MMORPG review. Specially in a game that is advertised as being a PvP game.
Judging from past reviews/previews we will probably see a footnote in the 5th preview or so...
So if it is not evident with my sarcasm, my question is. How is the PvP? Not looking for an elaborate description, as this is a first look, but rather maybe a first impression of the PvP. Are there PvP servers? Can you PvP from level 1? If not, when can you PvP? Do you get exp from PvP? Anything at all about PvP in a you know, in a game that has been advertised having strong PvP elements?
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UO, AC1 Darktide...both harder core PvP than anything in Lineage or GW. Especially GW, just a bunch of arena matches. And they were both around before anything Asian.
That was Ultime Online, not Lineage, an American company. UO had PVP before Lineage was even a pipe-dream.
Lineage was released 3 months after Ultima online. Pipe-dream?
Dude, you sure are on fire today.
It was released a year later. Go check your "facts".
Ultima online was released on september of 1997, haven't found anything more concrete abut Lineage than 1998, still, your pipe-dream comment was way off.
That was Ultime Online, not Lineage, an American company. UO had PVP before Lineage was even a pipe-dream.
Lineage was released 3 months after Ultima online. Pipe-dream?
Dude, you sure are on fire today.
It was released a year later. Go check your "facts".
Ultima online was released on september of 1997, haven't found anything more concrete abut Lineage than 1998, still, your pipe-dream comment was way off.
Lineage was released in September in Korea, exactly 1 year later. Keep pretending your "3months" is correct though, for your own sake.
I'm pointing out what a joke that the claim "Koreans know PVP" in this review is, that's all.
That was Ultime Online, not Lineage, an American company. UO had PVP before Lineage was even a pipe-dream.
Lineage was released 3 months after Ultima online. Pipe-dream?
Dude, you sure are on fire today.
It was released a year later. Go check your "facts".
Ultima online was released on september of 1997, haven't found anything more concrete abut Lineage than 1998, still, your pipe-dream comment was way off.
Lineage was released in September in Korea, exactly 1 year later. Keep pretending your "3months" is correct though, for your own sake.
I'm pointing out what a joke that the claim "Koreans know PVP" in this review is, that's all.
Still missing the link to prove what you're stating. Im not pretending anything, I just wikipedia'd it and that's what I got, in lieu of anything more concrete than 2008, 3 months prevail, if you have more concrete citations about it, feel free to post them.
Again, the pipe-dream comment was way off and I had to step, if you're not willing to take it back, it will only help my cause.
That's fine.
Obviously. If you havent noticed, this site is heavily dependant on adds from MMORPGs and hence they have an invested self interest to give good reviews to those companies. They have to balance it with still being credible to their users, namely us, but since we are paying them zero money that is probably secondary.
After reading their Darkfall preview/first look/whatever I stopped taking MMORPG reviews seriously as it was painting an overall positive picture of a completely worthless piece of crap MMORPG that is decades behind when it comes to MMORPG technology and playability and that review made me waste 50$ on a game that I would have otherwise not bought.
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That's fine.
This thread breathes nostalgia, first we start talking about the 90s and the first MMOs, and now we start seeing the oldest and most overused forum troll tricks, still missing the link to prove wikipedia is wrong, tho.
I can't wait for Aion - hoping it will be a blast (never played a NCsoft product before as I didnt like GW and L1/L2).
And in terms of PVP - unless you state that EVE Online is the best PVP MMO game to ever launch, you are misinformed.
No, she obviously played the English client, which doesn't offer PVP at all, since only 1 race is available. How does she come out with statements like:
"Koreans know how to do PVP"
then?
I was replying to your "very late in the game" statement.
Truthfully Water has had a very vocal and exaggerated history with Aion often negative, ill-informed, and ill-experienced. Don't really read into what she says to much. Version 1.0 the cap is 45 and you quest to enter the abyss at 20, I believe we start at 1.2 and our cap will be 50. So by both measures...you PvP BEFORE even half of the game.
The one thing I can compromise with them about that statement is that the first levels aren't as action packed combat wise unless your a scout really, or flashy as the later levels. So it can feel like the game drags on with so many quests and small little movie scenes but it picks up and starts to fly by (personally for me it started at 16 with my ranger, 10 with my glad, 1 with my mage lol). If you refuse to group it may take longer for your class to aquire all the necessary abilities.
This game looks gorgeous, but that's not enough anymore. Puddle deep quests, poor translations, and the complete lack of backstory/lore, the annoying battle shouts...immediately turns me off from this game.
Sounds like another item treadmill designed specifically to divide the community between the haves and have-nots. Guess I will keep looking.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Sounds like another item treadmill designed specifically to divide the community between the haves and have-nots. Guess I will keep looking.
You wont have many troubles finding your home considering the last batch of very casual insta gratification releases.
You wont have many troubles finding your home considering the last batch of very casual insta gratification releases.
The only thing that gratifies me is a fair fight. I don't need item rewards as a carrot to PvP. I know I'm better off in a FPS for PvP I guess.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
You wont have many troubles finding your home considering the last batch of very casual insta gratification releases.
The only thing that gratifies me is a fair fight. I don't need item rewards as a carrot to PvP. I know I'm better off in a FPS for PvP I guess.
Yep you answered your own question. Afterall, we know a FPS is the best place to get "fair" PvP since we all know there are no aim bots or anything like that.
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pvp with flight sounds neat but I am no real fan of Asian MMOs.
I'll just wait for jumpgate or Black Prophecy to do all of my flying & PVP :P
I would be very happy if it isnt a grindfest like Lineage 2.
I want Lineage 2 feel.. like it already seems there is (testing the beta tomorrow) but with western market mmo quests and fast lvling. Then it would be perfect.
I will buy the game but if I feel its a grindfest after some lvls then I will quit immediatly, uninstall it and burn the disc.
You wont have many troubles finding your home considering the last batch of very casual insta gratification releases.
The only thing that gratifies me is a fair fight. I don't need item rewards as a carrot to PvP. I know I'm better off in a FPS for PvP I guess.
I dont need item rewards neither, I get enough satisfaction after blocking an enemy's instance for 10 hours in this game seeing how pissed they get.
Looks like a F2P game to me, sorta looks like Perfect World.
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