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Personally I think WoW was a one time deal.
GreenChaos
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We all know WoW brought millions of non-mmo players into the mmo world. And I think that all of these new players will be done with MMOs when they are done with WoW. It was work. And why would they want to do all the work again?
I have talked to so many players that just don't want to level up in a new game. Yes WoW brought them in, but WoW also burnt them out. These new players will go back the their consoles and play some of the many great console games that are being made these days.
As far as the RPG MMO goes I think WoW was the first and last, at that level of subs.
Developers need to shoot for the 100k to 300k sub range, because that's all they are doing to get. So IMO, game like WAR are not failures but just the post WoW reality.
And just when everyone is done with MMOs because of massive burnout Blizzard will come out with SC2 and D3 – they really are evil geniuses. D3 will keep millions happy for a few years (Including me).
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Funny, I just started a similar thread about leveling more than once being too boring.
I agree with you, I think WoW is a one time thing.
WoW is a one time deal until the next 'one time deal' comes along. WoW brought a new experience to millions of players and opened their eyes to the possibilities. If a game is able to create its own unique experience that opens people's eyes to new possibilites then that game will be the new 'one time deal'.
Not to come of as a mega nerd but.
To anyone who have read Isaac Asimov, WoW is to the MMO genre what Mulan was to Hari Seldons calculations.
To the uninvited, I agree, allthough there may be games as big in terms of subs, but I very much doubt there will ever be a game with such a large market share.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Now I am talking about fantasy RPGs here.
I think lego universe could be huge for the kids (and me)
I think a real GTA MMO (made by rockstar) could be huge.
Mass Effect also.
The majority of the Internet is calling Bioware's SW:TOR a WoW clone already so I'm not sure how that's going to go. Probably big box sale then much lower monthly subs.
Whats wrong with APB?
Didn't watch the new character creation video did ya?
It revolutionizes the industry and all other game makers should feel the need to step it up to stay in the game.
APB will work as a GTA Spiritual successor. After all the game creator is the same guy who created GTA in the first place.
Funny, I still find leveling fun, even in WoW.
I have a friend who has level 5 seperate paladins to 80. Thats just his paladins.
I think that you are speaking for yourself, and only yourself.
You sure have a point, for a part of WoW community. How big? Who knows. Another part will continue to play WoW, and another will continue to play other MMOs.
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
This is what people in the internet world like to call "speculation" and "heresay." How far along is that game in development? How long before the real betas start? How long before release day? People love to throw catch phrases out at games long before they are deserved.
Like, for example, "WAR is going to be a WoW-killer!" Funny how those catch phrases are often completely false.
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
More like BILLIONS.
More like BILLIONS.
GAZILLIONS.
More like BILLIONS.
GAZILLIONS.
Until you hear its click to move, then you will all cry and complain and say "OMG CANCEL MY PREORDER!!!"
My prediction. Click to move seems to make westerners cry salty tears.
More like BILLIONS.
GAZILLIONS.
Until you hear its click to move, then you will all cry and complain and say "OMG CANCEL MY PREORDER!!!"
My prediction. Click to move seems to make westerners cry salty tears.
I find click to move to be a fairly horrible control format, but I can't really think of any other way to make movement in that perspective work. Trying to control an avatar from a half 3rd person half top-down environment is awkward with anything but clicking, in my opinion at least.
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
More like BILLIONS.
GAZILLIONS.
Until you hear its click to move, then you will all cry and complain and say "OMG CANCEL MY PREORDER!!!"
My prediction. Click to move seems to make westerners cry salty tears.
I find click to move to be a fairly horrible control format, but I can't really think of any other way to make movement in that perspective work. Trying to control an avatar from a half 3rd person half top-down environment is awkward with anything but clicking, in my opinion at least.
Oh I concur, I hate Click to move at this point, been spoiled by ASWD.
However back in the days of UO and D2 Click to move was the only way to go. I'm fairly certian they will keep up the Click to move in D3
Mos def.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
I am a gamer through and through, I have played a lot of MMOs, including WOW, enough said.
My wife isn't a gamer, but she plays WOW, a lot. However, she is very reluctant to give it up for another MMO because of the time and effort she has invested in WOW, she's just not sure she wants to do it all again from scratch.
In this repsect the OP has a fair point, when my wife finally gets bored of WOW I don't know if she will move to another MMO or just give it up altogether.
More like BILLIONS.
GAZILLIONS.
Until you hear its click to move, then you will all cry and complain and say "OMG CANCEL MY PREORDER!!!"
My prediction. Click to move seems to make westerners cry salty tears.
I find click to move to be a fairly horrible control format, but I can't really think of any other way to make movement in that perspective work. Trying to control an avatar from a half 3rd person half top-down environment is awkward with anything but clicking, in my opinion at least.
Oh I concur, I hate Click to move at this point, been spoiled by ASWD.
However back in the days of UO and D2 Click to move was the only way to go. I'm fairly certian they will keep up the Click to move in D3
I'm not sure if you remember, but Ultima Online allowed you to use the arrow keys to move. It was one of the most awkward control schemes I've ever tried playing with. Sure, you could walk straight north, south, east, or west, but trying to walk in any of the diagonals was impossible. Death and sadness followed.
As far as Diablo 2, I can't think of any other any, either. Holding down the mouse to attack, or rapid-fire clicking is just really unappealing to me. I get tired of constantly hitting the mouse to trigger actions, especially when I'm so familiar with WASD and keybound abilities surrounding those movement keys.
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
More like BILLIONS.
GAZILLIONS.
Until you hear its click to move, then you will all cry and complain and say "OMG CANCEL MY PREORDER!!!"
My prediction. Click to move seems to make westerners cry salty tears.
I find click to move to be a fairly horrible control format, but I can't really think of any other way to make movement in that perspective work. Trying to control an avatar from a half 3rd person half top-down environment is awkward with anything but clicking, in my opinion at least.
Oh I concur, I hate Click to move at this point, been spoiled by ASWD.
However back in the days of UO and D2 Click to move was the only way to go. I'm fairly certian they will keep up the Click to move in D3
I'm not sure if you remember, but Ultima Online allowed you to use the arrow keys to move. It was one of the most awkward control schemes I've ever tried playing with. Sure, you could walk straight north, south, east, or west, but trying to walk in any of the diagonals was impossible. Death and sadness followed.
As far as Diablo 2, I can't think of any other any, either. Holding down the mouse to attack, or rapid-fire clicking is just really unappealing to me. I get tired of constantly hitting the mouse to trigger actions, especially when I'm so familiar with WASD and keybound abilities surrounding those movement keys.
Actually I do not remember the ability to use arrow keys to move, maybe I just never used em.
Its been quite a while for me, I quit UO back in 2000 for EQ. I came back a few times but it never held my interest again like it did in its first 3 years.
First and the last? lol
Dungeons and Dragons?
Magic the Gathering?
Dragon's Gate?
Everquest?
Ultima Online?
Silkroad Online?
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I'm leaving out a ton of games...Fact is, new games come along all the time and the masses are always going to flock depending on what the new flavor is.
WoW is currently the latest crave out there that's easy and accessible to everyone. Before that there was EverCRACK.
It won't be too much longer, the next game is on the way...Warhammer was clearly not it and sadly neither will AION or anything else out currently in development.
Here's the question:
If your wife becomes bored of World of Warcraft, will she see her time investment in the same way? Or, will she instead find another game she thinks is worth a new time investment? Right now, your wife probably still enjoys playing and so her investment seems worthwhile. She still plays, and therefore wants to keep those characters and the time invested in them.
That might not be the case in a year's time, however.
Edit: I only pose this question because I played EverQuest for a few years and in the middle of that time I felt that any other MMORPG was not worth the switch. Later on, when I became tired of EverQuest, I did not see my investment as something that would ruin me for other MMORPGs.
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
You mean 'the Mule?'
I believe Mulan was a Disney movie.
I'm not sure if you remember, but Ultima Online allowed you to use the arrow keys to move. It was one of the most awkward control schemes I've ever tried playing with. Sure, you could walk straight north, south, east, or west, but trying to walk in any of the diagonals was impossible. Death and sadness followed.
As far as Diablo 2, I can't think of any other any, either. Holding down the mouse to attack, or rapid-fire clicking is just really unappealing to me. I get tired of constantly hitting the mouse to trigger actions, especially when I'm so familiar with WASD and keybound abilities surrounding those movement keys.
Actually I do not remember the ability to use arrow keys to move, maybe I just never used em.
Its been quite a while for me, I quit UO back in 2000 for EQ. I came back a few times but it never held my interest again like it did in its first 3 years.
Sounds a lot like my experience. I even tried some private servers for Ultima Online, but it never held my interest for more than a couple days.
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
That's what I'm talking about. Most WoW players I talk to IRL say that the don't want to put that kind of effort into another game. That was is. Now most of them just play wii now.
Not to mention all the old school players like me that are burned out as well. I'm just having way more fun with non-MMO games right now. And if I like D3 as much as I like D2, that's a good 2 - 3 years of gameplay right there.
You mean 'the Mule?'
I believe Mulan was a Disney movie.
Yes, it was "The Mule".
Mulan was the heroine in a 6th century Chinese poem called "The Ballad of Mulan". The ending is a bit different than the Disney movie.
Its unlikely that any MMO in the near future will reach the same number of subscribers but not impossible. WoW rose to its current position because of many different factors and the reason why no other MMO has had a similar level of success is because they are looking at WoW and not the factors that led to WoWs success.
Also, to say that everyone playing WoW will leave the MMO genre entirely once they are done with WoW is just plain stupid. Yeah, people always say "I'll never do that again" right up until they do it. So, your anedotal evidence of the many people you have talked to is worthless. Talk to them again when they do leave WoW. See if they held true to their word then.
I don't...
I actually believe the potential exists now more than ever before for someone to create a game that could eventually have millions subscribe to it. Mmorpgs have become so mainstream anymore. I know several people that tinker around with mmos now that a few years back wouldn't have been caught dead playing one or at the least admitting to playing one. It isn't going to happen anytime soon but I can eventually see another game rivaling WoW.
You had over half a million people taking a risk to try something they felt would be fresh and new in AoC even for god's sake. With the right developer, a sound business management team, and offering something with a new spin on the genre and level of creativity the market is there for someone else to get a sound footing in the mmo market. Maybe not knock WoW off the hilltop but they could make enough of a mark to be considered in the same ballpark as them.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.